Thread 76524462

What does /fit/ think of eye surgery, I have been contemplating it for years, I'm turning 30 this year, I am afraid of side effects, like rings, spots etc.

Has anyone here gotten eye surgery, what was your experience like?

Consider the following
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthokeratology

>>76524462 (OP)
My mom had it like 25 or more years ago I'm sure its gotten way better since. Just dont cheap out find a good doctor with good outcomes.

>>76524462 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAMzO6YuGjc
Nipples did LASIK 10 years ago.
Guess what, he still wears glasses

>>76524462 (OP)
Why not just wear contact lenses?

EVO ICL mogs

I got lasik when I was in hs, cost me my whole savings of 4k to have both eyes done but imo it was worth it. I needed glasses for properly reading small texts at a distance, primarily looking at the boards in classroom or when driving and needing to see road signs (esp at night). It saved me a whole bunch from having to buy lenses and frames. Currently 27, haven't had any major issues with seeing properly. Slight clarity loss over time but thats just aging, could have even got a lifetime contract with them if I paid 8k instead but still a good investment overall. They did mention that in your late 30s to early 40s your eyesight does begin decreasing more, shown best with middle aged people needing reading glasses so just bear that in mind.

As for the process and afterwards, the initial surgery was bizarre since they say "look at the red dot the whole time" and suddenly it straight up moves because they're cutting open the film above your eye. Not painful, but it was certainly an experience. Afterwards I had my friend drive me home where I wore black glasses and just slept for the rest of the day, the following I could take them off and look around. Then you use special eye drops several times a day for 6 months, but overall an easy time

>>76524462 (OP)
yes
im 30
got perfect vision now
good
the recovery is immediate, you could work even the same day
only cons is that i had to pay for it

>>76524462 (OP)
wearing glasses will make you reliant on them and weaken your eyes. I probably need glasses, but refuse to get them. I will force my muscles to make my eyes focus. I'm near sighted so most of the time it's ok, when I want to see far, i will concentrate and make my eyes focus. If I wore glasses, those muscles would weaken.

>>76524531
I'm sure you practice this philosophy in other aspects of your life...right?

LASIK will only bump you yo +-0,125. If you still have refraction errors with contact lenses, such as incorrect side vision sharpness, then that will remain at a less severe version.

You could still do the skill issue and do enough nearsighted work to get nearsighted, or get the opposite from the cornea stiffening with age(45+).
If you are in the -1 or -2 range, you could fix yourself in a year with the Bates/Endmyopia method, even if those loons are cultists who struggle with the idea of putting together a coherent vision improvement regiment over spouting "axial length" as if its some magic word...

>>76524462 (OP)
Had lasik about 12 years ago. Literally no problems. Drove myself to the follow up the next day. Never had the dry eye they talked about. Went from nearsighted as fuck, I think it was -6 for contacts? To 20/15 vision overnight.

It's a mature technology now, low risk, high reward.

>>76524574
/pol/tards really love making shit up and then living in fear of it

I'm waiting for that eye-vatar assisted procedure to make it here

>>76524462 (OP)
Do you like going hunting or are you a soldier? If not do you work or have a hobby that requires you precition aiming during bad weather? if the answer is not then don’t do it, you can just buy cooler glasses or contacts if you think you look uncool.

>>76524462 (OP)
Got it done May 2024 (37 at the time), they corrected my vision to 20/15. A little more sensitive to bright lights at night (i.e. headlights), but other than that no real side effects. They said I'll end up needing reading glasses anyway in late 40s or 50s, which is fine, most people need them by then.
First week is kind of annoying, particularly the stupid eye shields you have to tape on at night and putting in eye drops constantly. Other than that, which is minor, it's been great, and I'm really happy I got it done.
There ARE risks of serious side effects, so you need to be aware of them and make an informed decision. Don't get it done before age of 25 or so, because your vision can continue changing prior to that. Take the time to find the best outfit you can to do the work. I was fucking tired of glasses after ~30 years and didn't like contacts, so I took the chance. No regrets.

>>76524462 (OP)
There's lots of success stories out there but also some fail stories. Mine didn't work so well, got an eye infection a couple months after the surgery right along the incision that left a shit ton of scar tissue. That eye's pretty much permanently fucked now, also still have dry eye issues pretty frequently 2 yrs later. On days that it's especially bad i can't see my computer screens for shit.
If you do it be extra careful with the healing process even a couple months out

>>76524462 (OP)
I had lasik 6 years ago, company i was working for paid for about 2500 of the 4000. I spent their money and quit. One of the best purchases of my life, still have 20/20 vision.

>>76524873
Will add don't slack on wearing eye protection basically anytime you could get a real eye poke afterwards, no matter how long it's been since the procedure. The cornea flaps never recover the same amount of shear strength they had prior. It's like 15-30% or something. So if you get hit in the eye without protection, there is an appreciable risk the flaps get torn loose (worst case torn off entirely). Although to be fair, any impact that can do that will probably do some kind damage to any eyeball, lasik or no.
>>76524887
Second being careful with healing process. Use the eye shields. Use the eye drops as often as they tell you, for as long as they tell you.

the sucide effect side effect ill stick with glasses/contacts

>>76524625
>i didn't hear about it from TV station therefore you made it up and you browse pol and i have no argument to anything you presented

Sungazing fixes your eyesight

>>76524983
Don't fall for this SCAM

Just wear glasses, save your eyes

>>76524955
and raw liver. best source of retinol.

>>76524989
>it won't happen to me bro

>>76524983
>>76524989
>>76524996
>Every story on the internet is 100% true
>I'll take confirmation bias for 100, Alex

>>76524998
It's your life anon, go blind if you want

>>76525016
Already did it, turned out great, yay me

>>76524946
this is very obviously a pol screencap, stop being a retard

>>76524574
I have like 0.2 in one eye and like 0.25 on the other eye, astigmatism, not being able to look into people's eye at distance is really annoying, does this shit actually works? I wanna get lasik so bad.

>>76524873
Should I get it at 27 turning 28? I'm >>76525123

Ten years ago I was pondering whether to take LASIK or not. Money wouldn't have been an issue, and the doctor said my eyes look very suitable for the operation. My recipe has been about this for the past ten years, with small deviations every now and then (I often use less strong glasses):
OD SF -1.25 CYL -0.75 AX 160
OS SF -1.75 CYL -0.50 AX 25

What made me cancel my LASIK plans was that I realized the cited 90% or so success rate was for 20/20 vision, and with glasses my fixed vision was 30/20. So, the LASIK result would probably have been a worse vision than what I have with glasses. Add to that the risk of seriously fucking things up, the halos and irritation, and I gave up the idea.

Doing sports, walking in the rain, going to the club, yeah it's been a chore with glasses. But now that I'm 39 years old, I've noticed my near vision has started to seriously degrade during the past year. If I'm wearing contacts, it's very hard to focus on anything that's less than an arm's length away. However, with glasses, it's easy: I just don't wear them. So basically with LASIK you choose to strain your eyesight more when older.

Back then, had there been just 0,001% chance of complications, I probably would've taken the operation. Now with my near vision degrading, not sure.

Still waiting on those nanoparticle eye drops that refract light to fix your vision. Its been 11 years and nothing. Come to think of it, it was being developed by an Israeli company who never follow through, just like that Jewish company who's building the laser mosquito zapper. God I hope the chinks steal their business.

>>76524462 (OP)
Anyone else on /fit/ in dry eyes hell? My pain has improved lately but the redness is never going away. Killed any hope of a social life. Anyone with dry red eyes was able to improve their redness?

>>76525133
You should be old enough, past that I can't say. Having someone cut your cornea is a you decision.
Evaluations are often free, or low cost, so you can find out if you are a good candidate easily enough.
Just look into what actually makes a good candidate and what the procedure entails. Ask questions during/after the eval, figure out if they are worth a shit. There are surely some clinics that will try to push the procedure on people even when they aren't ideal candidates (probably where a lot of the horror stories come from). If they wave away your questions/concerns, they are really pushy or what they are saying isn't passing the sniff test, walk away.

>>76525159
My ophthalmologist told me there is a procedure that is supposed to help with dry eyes, if it's an issue. It wasn't a problem for me so I didn't look into it and don't remember the name, but I assume any eye doctor would know. Of course, it's more of someone fucking with your eyeballs...

Got LASIK about two and a half years ago. One of the best things I ever did for myself. Wish I’d done it sooner.

>>76524462 (OP)
It's fine. I had FemtoLASIK 6 years ago in Russia, it cost me roughly $1000. Still have perfect vision. No complications.

>>76525265
Have to clarify though, I was only 18 at the time.

>>76524462 (OP)
I had the PKR surgery when i was 30, best decision i ever made

>>76524983
>>76524989
>>76524996
>reddit text post
Opinion discarded

>LASIK shills
I will NOT troon out my sight, cope and sneed eyetrannies

>>76525367
Okay four eyes

I got it in 2022. Don’t regret it. All glasses are ugly and contacts suck. A couple of notes though:
>only the right eye is still 20:20, left eye is kind of bad
>the procedure came with dryness, which never completely went away. eyedrops have been every day carry ever since
>cutting onions sucks again. contacts used to protect my eyes.
Still worth not having to wear glasses or fuck with contacts.

>>76525379
If I could tell the letters of your post apart I'd write a scathing reply period stop dictation

>>76524574
what is the endmyopia method? how can I download their shit without having to pay for it

>>76525390
That was pretty good

>>76525075
>noooo you cant post from another 4chan board on 4chan

>>76525349
>Testimonials how its bad for you? No i can't accept that cause its from a site i dont like
Toddler mindset

>>76525738
Next you’re going to be telling us we should believe posts on /b/.

Anybody go the Canada for it? It's apparently 500/eye up there and I got quoted 2400/eye in the US. The CA clinic has done thousands with few issues so I don't think it's too much of a risk but with that crazy a price differential idk

>>76524462 (OP)
It's a scam.
Fags Always claim it changed their life.
But I see those idiots with reading glasses and eye drops.
Then I see them wear sunglasses everywhere.
Turns out burning your eyes is a bad idea.
Ever wonder why the doctors doing the exams wear glasses?
Weird right?

.t family is full of doctors.

>>76526100
Do you not have to be Canadian to get that price? I imagine it’s subsidized by taxes so it seems like they’d want actual citizens to be the ones using it.

>>76526135
I do have eye drops but I’d much rather apply eye drops once a day than contacts. No glasses though.

>>76524462 (OP)
Get PRK. Longer recovery but more stable long term

>>76526135
As opposed to wearing glasses or contacts for the rest of ur life, glasses make any man look ugly and contacts are a pain in the ass plus expensive

>>76524462 (OP)
There's a small but not insignificant chance of permanently fucking your vision up. Whether the risk is worth it or not is up to you.

>>76524996
This is obviously a severe mental health problem, this nigga didn't get tinnitus from lasik

I'm an eye doctor so I have more credibility than you dumbfucks.

Around 90% of those that have done Lasik reported "good vision" with some side effects like dryness and haloes, if you believe those jewish FDA.

If you're unlucky, you get permanent bad vision, eye pain and corneal ectasia. People have killed themselves over these.

Even if you've done Lasik, most will need reading glasses once you've hit 50 years old. This is due to ageing issue. Look up presbyopia.

Lasik could complicate cataract surgery.

Orthokeratology is cumbersome and potentially carries greater risk of infection.

No glasses doesn't make your eyes worse. Bates method or sunning is a meme but you're welcomed to try if you want.

Above all, make your own informed decision.

>>76524462 (OP)
I got it 3 years ago and for the first year and a half it was fucking awesome like 20/10 vision. I am a very rare case where my vision has gone back almost all the way to where I started. My advice don't shop on price!!!!!! seriously. Find someone who specializes. I found someone who doesn't do anything else.

>>76524462 (OP)
The doc that did my med school classes about eye diseases said he prefers the other one, because the flap in LASIK doesn't actually heal, and you'll always be at risk of it displacong because it's essentially held there by the epithelium and water tension, whereas the other one just shaves down your cornea and the epithelium grows back over it. It hurts more and takes longer to heal, but these are your eyes you're playing with.

>>76526272
They told me 96% success rate. Looking back it was actually kind of reckless if 4% was fucking myself forever. I guess I just hated contacts that much. Fortunately I was a 96%er.

>>76525390
Lol

I'm planning to get SMILE Pro. Is that any better? It is far more expensive.

>>76526687
Yes. So is ICL and PRK.

>>76526159
>gambling your sense of vision is worth it not to look like a nerd wearing glasses
Nigger thought process tbqh senpai

>>76526272
So wearing glasses is the only safe option? I've considered lasik but even a small risk is too much. One's vision is way too fucking important to take even a 0.5% chance of failure

>>76524548
We're on a gym board you stupid fuck.

I worked as a laser technician, basically setting up the laser systems for the surgery.
All the operations I've been on have been successful, as doctors said.
Didn't stay too long at the place though, the job was quite stressful and I had to be present during the operation in case anything goes wrong or if the laser needed to be readjusted. The responsibility for another person's eyesight didn't sit well with me. Also, the smell of burnt cornea sure is something.

>>76526784
What kind of requirements does it have? Being a "technician" doesn't sound like a medical job, what kind of liability did you have during the surgery?

Get PRK.
It's entirely done by a machine laser so the chances of a fuckup are negligible, way less than LASIK or SMILE.
PRK is also able to be done for more severe sight issues and can treat other issues.
There is a longer recovery period, but it's "flapless" so the healing is way more effective - you won't have to worry about a scar on your eyeball ripping open one day, because there is no scar. You'll be able to do day-to-day stuff just fine after a few days, but you'll have to avoid swimming for a bit longer (if that's a problem for you)

On top of all of these benefits, it's usually the cheapest option available (depending on where you live)

>>76526779
you can spend more for EVO ICL

>>76524531
Not how eyes work

>>76526788
It's not a medical job indeed, my major is optical electronics.
I was responsible for managing the gas tanks (excimer lasers use excited gas particles to generate UV radiation), and calibrating the optics before the operation (pic from my previous post).
Basically the doctor gave me the patient's medical history and I had to set the operation parameters. That included the surgery type (myopia, hypermetropia or astigmatism correction), laser output power, pulse length, and the size of the ablated area.
Then the system was tested on calibration plates, which are thin plates of transparent plastic you burn a pit on, basically creating a lens. Then you compare it to the standard on a lensmeter (there are systems that do this automatically but those are expensive). If the results match, then you're good to go. If not, then readjust the focus and do it all over.
I had to come and hour before the doctor to start it all up, then recalibrate it before every patient which took about half an hour. Sometimes it took multiple tries to get right (the output power isn't really constant, it deviates a little bit based on gas pressure and ambient conditions), which isn't good since the patients get anxious waiting in the hallway for too long.

>>76526835
It sounds a bit scary that the laser strength can vary.

>>76525426
You want to trigger the eyes focus mechanism, intentionally, while looking at something that is not inside the clear part of your view distance.
The tricky part is that you want to not do the one that looks like a camera focus, but the subtle one that is barely a perceivable pressure change in the eye. But the camera type one is easy to do, do that, and then force yourself to relax the eye complete and try to ride out the focusing..

>>76526906
NTA but in layman's terms, don't force your eye to focus, keep your eye relaxed.

>>76526835
Oh, very interesting. Thank you for the explanation my friend.

>>76526674
Yeah, most of the time, Lasik can be one of the best decision of your life. Only a few suffers serious side effects. It's a russian roulette.

>>76526779
Yes, in terms of risk, glasses is the best. I guess you could try contact lenses if you want.

>>76525801
>noooooo don't believe anyone ever!!!!! Just trust the authority figures!!!!!

I think people should just wear glasses. They're cute and look better on some people than without.

>>76527166
>Only a few suffers serious side effects. It's a russian roulette.
It's a significant percentage who report them, and then there are those who don't notice or don't care that much.

It's inherent to the procedure that it will cause starbursts from point lights, and it's almost guaranteed to result in less eye hydration. Bad enough to be worse than corrective lenses is the russian roulette, and I wouldn't play it in a million years.

>>76526779
>So wearing glasses is the only safe option?
Contact lenses don't cause the fucked up distortion that glasses do from being separated from the ocular lens.

>>76527585
>ocular lens

>>76527572
I look dumb with glasses

>>76527593
>ocular lens
80 IQ trolls have 80 IQs.
ocular = related to eye. There's a lens in your eye.
>hurr durr why not just say lens then
To differentiate it from the corrective lens in the glasses or contacts. Moron.

>>76526784
>>76526835
Was there any cases of the surgery causing massive side effects? Did most people do prk or lasik? What even is the difference between those 2 and Femto lasik/smile?

>>76526794
Considering this, it feels like PRK recovery can take up to 3 months recovery but it's supposedly safer than the other 2?

I got PRK done 3-4 years ago and have 20/20 and 20/15 with minimal dry eye. They still water, but some nights under the fan I wake up dry. Nothing that a yawn doesnt fix.
$4500 all together. The thing is, its better than Lasik but takes a week or so to get to driving sight then another few months of healing before you get perfect vision. Don't get me wrong, its not bad. There were days where I could read a sign perfectly then days I couldn't without squinting. But regardless, all the days after the first week and a half were 100% better than me without glasses. I could read at a distance, drive, etc even with some days being blurrier than others.
Definitely worth it. I recommend it to everyone that asks and go over the whole procedure and healing process.
Doctor was worth it too. Everything he said happened exactly how he explained it and had me come in monthly for check ups. I had zero stress during the healing because, like he said, the eyes were healing on a 3 day cycle up until about 6 months later. But, by that time, I was 20/20 on clear days and 20/30 on bad days so the difference was minimal.

>>76527572
I have a big head. Every glasses I wear gets loose eventually and slips.
That said my only gripe with my vision to be honest is my horrible astigmatism.

>>76524462 (OP)
This surgery should be fucking banned. The long term side effects FAR outweigh any benefits. You need to look up Lasik horror stories.

>>76527614
>Lasik
Leaves a flap over the eye that can get dislodged if you get hit in the face or similar. This is where most horror stories come from

>PRK
Takes the top layer of skin off the eye, laser etches your prescription into the cornea, and the skin grows back over. This is your eye for the rest of your life. I've been hit in the face with waves and not had any adverse side effects.

This is how it was described to me before getting PRK. They said if you're an active person or ever want to be active you should do PRK over Lasik.

>>76524462 (OP)
LASIK - they cut your first layer of eye skin, do the surgery, put it back. It heals quickly. But the first layer of eye skin will ALWAYS have a scar. If you're at altitude it can and does reopen the scar, blinding it. If you get hit hard enough it opens up the scar, blinding you. You cannot he a pilot if youve had LASIK. You can only have LASIK done once.

PRK - been around before LASIK, they drop a drop of acid in your eye (you can smell it burning) and it melts the first layer. They then do the surgery. The first layer grows back over 2-4 weeks, it's very painful. Afterwards your eyesight is good and there is no flap or scar. You can have this done as many times as you like.

I did PRK. Maybe I want to fuck around and be a pilot or climb a mountain.

>>76527684
>Acid
When did you get this done? Mine was a conical scalpel to cut a circle, then scrape the skin away.
Also mine was way less painful. A little irritating, but not painful.

I need to get this done, have -2.00 right eye astigmatism and -2.25 left eye astigmatism, very little myopia like 0.25, my issue is focusing on objects that are too far away.
Glasses are stupid and make me look uglier, it fucking murders my confidence, contacts I've tried once but didn't like it much and it's expensive for good ones so I'd rather use the money for the surgery.

>>76527691
10 years ago, it was a Groupon so I only paid 1.8k. The surgery itself didn't hurt, though psychologically the smell was something else hahaha, what hurt was when the skin grew back. Felt like my eyeballs were on fire and I had to use eye drops every 30 mins for 5 days, then every hour, then every 2 hours, for weeks

Will never get eye surgery or use contacts or put anything in my eye, glasses for life
I've studied the "eye exercise" methods but there seems to be no real reason for that stuff to work, nor any real reason for it to not work

>>76527704
>contacts I've tried once but didn't like it much
why, if i might ask, can't even feel mine

>>76524462 (OP)
Lasik is shit, you want PRK or SMILE.

>>76524462 (OP)
Any impact to the face and you're fucked. The incision never heals and if that flap moves or gets torn off, you are now blind.
That means you can't go in the water and even showering is risky
it's a scam

>>76527657
Get something with a wider band, they sell them up to elephant-man sizes anon

>>76524462 (OP)
Did it two years ago, worth every penny

>>76524462 (OP)
Train your eyes. Spare the "laser".
When will you earthlings understand this.

>>76527682
>Leaves a flap over the eye that can get dislodged if you get hit in the face or similar. This is where most horror stories come from
Sounds like a tragedy waiting to happen if you ever have an accident or get into a fight

Apparently my eyeballs aren't round but egg shaped so its just shitty genetics and there's no fix for it sadly. I'm -2.25 far sighted so it's not too bad. I can still function without my glasses

>>76524462 (OP)
LASIK was a life saver for me. I was born with 20/500 vision in both eyes and it was progressively getting worse. I would have likely been legally blind by my 40s or 50s.

LASIK took my eyes from 20/500 vision to 20/15 and it has stayed around that for 13 years now. I have no side effects outside of the occasional dry eye and slightly worse night vision.

The only complication was that the anesthetic didn't kick in at first for one of my eyes, so I could feel them sawing through my cornea, which was the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. The anesthetic worked the second time though, so everything was good.

>>76528176
any anons gotten SMILE?
I hear its really uncomfortable for the surgery but safer than lasik and less pain than PRK
thought I dont see it advertised as much

I wanted to do that, went to great doctor, and he said that I can't do it and I can only do phakic IOLs (because I have -7) and it was too expensive, like 30 years of contact lenses, so I decided not to do that. I have 2 friends that had lasik, nothing bad happened, and 1 that after 8 months still has problems. The doctor himself said that he once had accident when dude didn't do proper care and is permamently blind. From what I read it's 0.04% of chance of having problems, and these are eyes, it wasn't worth it. Honestly contact lenses are not that bad and in case conscription comes back in my country my eyesight save me from that. Also you can't fix eyesight via exercices, your eye socket is all wrong, you can't really outwork bone

Don't do stone age procedures like LASIC that require doctors to manually fumble with your eyes. There are completely "hands-free" / laser-only methods now like Trans-PRK which result in better vision and have fewer risks and side effects. Recovery takes longer (2 weeks until OK vision, 3 Months until 100%)
Have done it in January and floaters in my eyes increased and are more dry even 6 months after. But would definitely do it again. costs 3.3K here in Germany.
Most important thing is to go to a doctor with LOTS of experience and good reviews. dont spare costs or time on that if you are going to do it

>>76524512
>>76525339
>>76526158
>>76526687

If you can't do evo ICL don't bother. Evo ICL is way better procedure, no laser, customizable lenses and it's reversible unlike any other eye surgery

>>76528131
The whole process of putting a freakin plastic into ur eyes freaks me out but it just felt weird having it on my eyes, maybe the lenses I used were shit

>>76529965
Acuvues were irritating but Alcons weren't.

>>76528570
SMILE is basically just LASIK but not retarded

instead of cutting some faggy flap off your eye they angle the laser through a little hole so it heals way faster

got it done after work, sunglasses for the evening, woke up in the morning and could use a computer fine

still have dry eye a few years out, but it's way less annoying than wearing glasses or contacts, and my vision is better than it ever was with either

started doing boxing and been hit in the face repeatedly and no flap can slow me down

>>76526159
Way to out yourself, uggo

>>76528570
My first time hearing about this, what is SMILE?

>>76524462 (OP)
This shit was the best decision I have ever made in my entire life but it was very surreal

>>76524848
If you want any resemblance of love, affection and a social life you absolutely need to get rid of glasses. Glasses make a man look autistic and retarded. Bad eyesight is a disability and women can sense it and won't fuck you if your genes are shit.
>>76524929
Being a nerd is a reason to commit suicide, retard. That's why people get lasik and wear contacts to avoid wearing glasses. So they won't be ostracized and eventually kill themselves from social isolation.

>>76530862
>If you want any resemblance of love, affection and a social life you absolutely need to get rid of glasses.
You're mind broken, truly. I've always worn glasses and I've been with many women. You can also take them off when having sex.

Did Femto Lasik in 2015, when I was 30. Probably the best decision in my life. I could sleep on airplanes without being concerned about cleaning my contact lenses, I could swim and open my eyes underwater (months after the operation of course), I could see the spots on the moon with my own eyes, and overall NOT stress about broken glasses in sports or contact random discomfort or care.

I still retain all benefits 10 years later, doctor says that near 50 I could start showing other visual problems but that's usual with age.

>>76529965
you get used to them after a week or so, did you go for proper doctor to give you fitting lenses?

>>76531026
I only got the prescription from the doc and bought the lenses myself off the internet, kek

>>76524462 (OP)
Ever wonder why Billionaire like bill gates or warren buffet dont do it? And the doctor itself still wear glasses?
That's your answer. Risk reward is not worth it and many case of suicide because of it is many.

>>76531103
you need special check for lenses, they have different curve and sizes, they do not fit and can irritate your eyes, it's not that expensive too, like regular eye doctor checkup price

>>76531246
>decision is based on the stereotypical smart doctor wearing glasses image and the choices of weirdo psychopathic billionaires
Yeah bill gates and warren buffet also don't lift, should we stop lifting?

>30
>worn glasses for 2 decades
>seriously considering LASIK now

How much does it typically cost in Canada?

>>76533763
same boat, im doing research now
I hear that canada has very good incentives and its pretty cheap there

Im looking into every other option besides lasik first though
currently I would rate them ICL > SMILE > PRK/LASIK depending on pain tolerance and recovery time
I hear bad things about all of them but frankly

>>76534161
Ditto. In the research boat rn too. I was thinking ASA would be the move. I really don't like the possibility of a tear years after LASIK and it's literally an evolution of PRK. Too many options and all the articles are by businesses who are clearly trying to push whatever service they offer.

USE PUNHOLE GLASSES , NATURAL EYE FIX

I went for a consultancy once and they said my eyes would be 15k. Didn't bother with it and just embrace glasses/contacts

>>76525152
based. My vision with glasses on is miles better than anyone I know. I wouldn't want to lose that honestly

>>76526272
thank you for the effortposting

>>76524462 (OP)
I only have two stories to go with this. One, an ophtalmologist friend of a friend said to me "can you wear contacts? Fine, don't do lasik. Not worth the risk".
The other one is a friend of mine that got it done before he started his pilot career (commercial airlines). This was like 10 years ago, he now wears glasses again.
Make of that what you will.

>>76526779
I'd say even 0.0001% is too much if we're taking about eyesight.

I skipped LASIK and went straight for PRK. Worth every minute of the week-long recovery

>>76526272
>I'm an eye doctor so I have more credibility than you dumbfucks.
thats like saying believe doctors about the covid vaxx, you're just a professional liar that lies so you keep getting customers

>>76524462 (OP)
I would never trust a doctor to do surgery on my eyes, I'll stick to glasses. Doctors are trash plus I like being able to turn everything around me into a blur when I'm sick of dealing with people.

>>76526272
>Orthokeratology is cumbersome and potentially carries greater risk of infection.
Way less cumbersome for me than the alternatives. Glasses or contacts can be ok if you don't do contact sports I suppose.
It takes me maybe two minutes to put them in at night and under a minute to take them out in the morning and put them in the case with the peroxide sanitiser. The only thing that really bothers me at this stage is having to keep buying preservative free eye drops and more sanitiser.

>>76535695
Blessed. The one thing I miss about glasses.

>>76535643
Retard, if I want more customer I'll shill refractive surgery.

My vision is so bad that even with lasik I still would need +2 glasses on both eyes.

Its not even the worst part. I have visual snow syndrome which fuck up my vision even harder.

I am at this point in life that I do not dream about it getting better. I just hope it will not get much worse as I get older.


Genes lottery is a meme

>>76525390
Got me

>>76526272
>most will need reading glasses by 50
That has literally nothing to do with lasik though, that's just age. Without lasik those people would still get worse vision with age

>>76531246
They don’t care about their appearance, they’re nerds. Or they don’t qualify. Everyone gets Invisalign and hair transplants and titty jobs the minute they can afford it

>>76536490
He is saying that you need glasses anyways, at least, for reading or any other work where you hold an object close to your face

>>76525075
What tipped you off anon? Was the not worksafe board, or was it the flags?
Or was it people having fun

>>76536490
no, the better is your far vision the worse will be your near vision
those who have better far vision because of the surgery will need reading glasses earlier

>>76524983
>>76524989
>>76524996
good you can fucking stay there too faggot

Just FYI for everyone, don't get lasik or anything else laser based. Stop being poor and get EVO ICL.
t. now 20/20.
>2025
>burning the shit out of your retinas with lasers that will permently give you dry eye and other shit
>not just getting a lens implant that's even removeable if necessary in the future and doesn't fuck all your shit up
Honestly lasik should be illegal, it's so inferior. People only get it because they can't afford ICL.

>>76536501
Speaking of, I also got invisalign. now when I see people with crooked teeth I wonder if they're poor. It was only like $7,500. Kills me that people will pay more than that for a car but won't fix their fucking teeth. I no longer respect anyone with crooked teeth.

>>76524462 (OP)
Lasik does NOT last. You'll get 2, maybe 3 good years from it, then your vision will return to shit.
>>76524465
This is a good thing to look into, and if all else fails, just wear glasses or contacts. Better than having lasers cut up your eye.

>>76524983
>>76524989
>>76524996
Go back, retard.

>>76526272
>I'm an eye doctor
No doubt an optometrist, not an ophthalmologist

>>76524531
Retarded, eyes only get worse not better

>>76530862
This is the type of mentally ill zoomer thinking that leads them to trooning out and or getting a ton of plastic surgery

>Look at a website for a nearby LASIK clinic
>Has a page showing images of all the surgeons
>Half of them are wearing glasses
They're surgeons so money can't be an issue, If it's so safe what reason would they have to avoid undergoing the procedure themselves?

>>76524462 (OP)
Just don't do it man. Don't take the risk.

>>76524462 (OP)
I fainted while leaving, but other than that it went fine and has been good for 11 years

>>76538008
Lenses block sunlight from entering your eyes which is important for health. The best solution is a flapless procedure.

Would PRK be the safer option for someone with moderate astigmatism? Like -2.00 in both eyes, I fucking despise glasses and leave them at home, contact lenses are also a chore and in the long run it'd be way more expensive. I just wanna be able to have good vision, brehs.

>>76538008
Evo icl doesn't even exist in my country

>>76531246
>>76540036
This. Just use your logic man. If the doctor himself dont want to do the cure themself you know they're something wrong with it. They probably look down on you and laught at how stupid people who fall for it.

>>76524574
I did the eyepatch method for a month and became glasses free.

>>76541823
unironically why not travel for it?
>>76541784
UV radiation contributes to cataracts. are you a zoomer? you guys are retarded. there's a reason people wear sunglasses.

>>76528570
I had smile done and I felt absolutely zero discomfort. I don't even remember feeling anything to be honest.
The actual surgery is over really quickly, I think the newer smile lasers work less than 10 seconds per eye and then it takes about a minute for the doctor to finish it up.
Its just kind of odd, because suddenly your vision will change and look really milky like, but doctor will explain that to you, its no big deal.

>>76544281
The eyes not getting enough sunlight is what causes myopia

>>76544281
Actually there's Evo Icl where I live but it's the price of a freakin decent car for each eye like 15000 dollars per eye, I'd rather just use contacts or try my luck with PRK

>>76544261
Did you have astigmatism? There's no way this shit actually works

>>76526272
if your still here doctor anon what do you think about other options?
>PRK
>SMILE
>ICLs

>>76524625
sounds like a fag with shitty vision who's too lazy to fix it

>>76524462 (OP)
Ophthalmologist here (retina specialist, I fix detachments I don't fuck with refractive issues). LASIK is very low risk and a good procedure to get you glasses free. If you have preexisting dry eye it might get worse though.

Also I wear contacts. I'm a -3 myope and 34 years old. I'm going to be presbyopic soon (40sish) and to see up close all I will have to do is take my glasses off. Having uncorrected myopia will help you see up close when you start losing accommodation. If I got LASIK now, I would be reliant on reading glasses in my 40s instead of just wearing glasses then and taking them off to read.


There's no such thing as eyes "weakening" by using glasses. If you're purposely not wearing glasses for that reason you're just retarded.

>>76524462 (OP)
I had it about 6 months ago. The surgery itself was unpleasant. My vision isn't quite perfect but definitely good enough that I don't need glasses. My only side effects are minor dry eye, and its more difficult to see in the dark.

Overall its definitely what I expected, and I like not looking like a nerd anymore.

>>76535643
>so you keep getting customers
Not a doctor, but I work in healthcare and I wonder why schizos always assume doctors are conspiring to keep people sick. There is absolutely no shortage of patients in America or anywhere in the world. Healthcare workers are always in demand, and doubly so for doctors.

Doctors might try to get into your pockets when you're already a patient at their clinic, but that's only because they're already working on you. However, another patient could easily take your place. Overall, doctors genuinely want people to be healthier in general, because it wouldn't actually affect their pockets. For every patient that fully recovers, there are 10 more that need to see a physician.

>>76545029
light*

retard

>>76548238
No sunlight you ignoramus, getting constant blue light from screens is not a good source of light

>>76546168
Use that retarded logic with mechanics
>durrr the mechanic wont lie to get more money, he already has enough customers durrr

>>76524574
How come the international community of opthalmologists don't know about this?

>>76546168
>Not a doctor, but I work in healthcare and I wonder why schizos always assume doctors are conspiring to keep people sick. There is absolutely no shortage of patients in America or anywhere in the world.
Yes, they create their future business. We know.

>>76548327
>truth by consensus
>if it was real someone would be talking about it!
>Then everyone else would start doing it too!
Naive.

>>76548308
*light

there is no evidence that sunlight itself is required for eye health and the sun is the biggest source of blue light that exists

>>76524531
>wearing glasses will make you reliant on them and weaken your eyes
total myth

>>76548352
The evidence is all the retards that stay indoors all day as a child with a screen in their face and now have myopia

Why didnt that screen light help them then?

>>76548357
Get your covid booster

>throwing a fucking laser on your eye
No, thank you. I will get the implant if I get tired of glasses, but I am not burning my fucking eyes.

>>76549702
Use pinhole glasses to improve eyes naturally

>>76548314
Thanks for proving my point. Mechanics love giving free advice to random people, but once you're their client, of course they're going to gouge you. You're on their clock.

>>76550264
>but once you're their client, of course they're going to gouge you. You're on their clock
So like a doctor

>>76524462 (OP)
I've been contemplating and researching for almost a year now and honestly it doesn't seem worth it unless your eyes are genuinely fucked. Lasik, implant, iso and such all have basically guaranteed side effects and small chance but horrible downsides are possible. Glasses are annoying but I'm not living the rest of my life with best case dry eyes and halos and worst case bye bye eyes

>>76551707
Yes.
You don't seem to get the point.

>>76549702
You a stupid dude.

>>76551779
everyone in my family got lasik years ago and none of us have any perceivable side effects whatsoever. It's the safest surgery for anything by far, wearing glasses is exclusively a poor people burden nowadays
>dry eyes and halos
the former goes away in half a year and the latter in a couple of months, just don't get the procedure done in a mexican hut or something.
I also know a bunch of other people outside of my relatives who also got lasik and only one of them has issues with dry eyes, and she already had that problem before the surgery it just got slightly worse after. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone irl who regrets getting lasik, internet fear mongers are a very vocal minority and I bet that 90% of those are tards who didn't follow the post-op instructions properly

i got PRK, the operation was freaky as fuck. you literally see them taking out your cornea or whatever, the first layer of the eye, and everything turns blurry. they give you a trankimazin pill before the start so you can control yourself, but i still freaked out inside. and then they just put it back up.

then it was extremely fun, i lived alone so i was by myself half blind, osten missed the drops they told me to put so my eyes hurt like crazy at times so used my eyes as little as i could, and i learned to walk and do stuff with eyes closed. when i had to go out i put on sunglasses because the slightest light bothered me and it was during late covid so i went around with htat plus the mask, extremely fun.

3k euros, got it done when i was 31 years old. nowadays i have good vision, i think i don't see the aura thing onlights some people get at night, maybe a bit but it doesn't bother me. i do have diplopia (double vision, my eyes don't point the same so i see 2 scenes overlapped but apart) which started 1 year or so after the operation, but i'm not sure it's related to it. the doctors don't know where it came from, i think it comes likely because i work at computer all day and i have 2 screens and i'm always looking fixed at a particular angle because of it and my eyes stay like that

even if i knew that the operation caused my diplopia i'm not sure i wouldn't say it was worth it. i really fucking hated having to use glasses, always keeping track of them, careful when swimming, etc. although the diplopia is fucking shit too

>>76524983
>>76524989
>>76524996
holy shills were mad about this one, thanks for the warning

>>76526159
>glasses make any man look ugly
Factually untrue, you are just ugly. Glasses wearer who is very successful with women

I had a No Cut surgery 19 days ago, cost me 2.5k. The surgery was pretty freaky, even though no knives were involved. Had extreme pain and light sensitivity for the first 60 hours, the worst I've ever experienced. After that, it was as if a switch was flipped and everything was fine. Wore bandage lenses for 5 days, while using antibiotic eye drops. After that I used cortison eye drops to day 18. All the while, I also had to use normal eye drops. I have to wear sunglasses for 6 months whenever I'm outside. I'd say it was worth it.

How are you even supposed to keep your eye in a singular position through the entire surgery while they are slicing and burning your eye with what i assume is extreme precision?

I can barely hold my eyes still and focused on a single point for more than a couple dozen seconds without fidgeting even in an everyday non-stressful scenario (Some kind of autism symptom maybe? Don't ask)

I doubt there is any local anesthesia powerful enough to completely disable your ability to move your eyes.

I would 100% look somewhere I'm not supposed to midway while the doc is slicing me up and be blind for life lmao.