Thread 76535888

I see quite a lot of guys my age (20-30) in my city that take some form of test. It's especially noticable on Strava when they also do a ton of cardio. But they all seem very healthy on top of having a really jacked and aesthetic physique. On insta or strava they also often post with their girlfriend, so their sex life can't be bad too.
Are the side effects of test just overblown? Like so many young guys juice a bit, have a good body and do well with dating.

>>76535888 (OP)
>They seem

>>76535888 (OP)
I can see the gyno from the thumbnail

>>76535888 (OP)
Yes, steroids have side effects. No, these side effects do not instantly ruin every single aspect of your life and health. Be careful when observing others, as people tend only showcase the positive and are fairly frequently just faking it anyway. Nice trips.

>>76535888 (OP)
Americans...

>>76535888 (OP)
The side effects of steriods are wetting female panties and getting laid more. Just keep your diet clean, do a bit of cardio and check your bloods. Every single person in Hollywood and every single person playing professional sport and every single model/fitness model is on steroids. You cannot be big and ripped without steroids.
>inb4 some 1 in a million natty that is 200lbs @ 5% bf.
That is not you. These people can bench 225lbs first day in the gym when they are 14 years old and you're not on here posting about muh roids if you're that guy.

>>76535954
>The side effects of steriods are wetting female panties and getting laid more.
Also an early death in your 30s and permanent pain, as well as permanent deformation, infertility, smaller dick and all kinds of things you do not want.

>>76535963
Steroids aren't killing you in your 30's, 40's 50's or 60's if you're sensible. Your bloods will tell you that you need to change something decades before you suffer something serious. Stop being hyperbolic or pointing to edge cases. The vast majority of people live perfectly healthy lives on roids. I would bet given the state of the average males testosterone they would be healthier on a perma blast than they would being shut down as they currently are.

>>76535980
You would lose that bet, being low test keeps the body youthful like a boy

>>76535980
>Steroids aren't killing you in your 30's, 40's 50's or 60's if you're sensible.
>Average bodybuilder life expectancy: mid 40s

>>76535888 (OP)
The main side effect is social. Dumb people begin orbiting you.

>>76535954
>Every single person in Hollywood and every single person playing professional sport and every single model/fitness model is on steroids.
It makes sense to do the opposite of this, unless you worship baphomet.

>>76536003
>Bodybuilder
You're talking about a subset of people where steroids aren't even half of the drugs they are taking to achieve that look. Insulin, hgh, sarms etc - all of which have next to 0 literature behind their safety in the kinds of quantities body builders take. Also they weigh >300lbs, that's basically the same as being morbidly obese. The average Hollywood actor, athlete etc live until their 80's. The average trt user will live a far longer time than they would have lived shut down.
>>76536016
Baphomet isn't real, just like the tooth fairy and the boogeyman.

>>76536028
>The average Hollywood actor, athlete etc live until their 80's.
lmao not even close

>>76536028
>Baphomet isn't real, just like the tooth fairy and the boogeyman.
Doesn't matter since they believe in it.

>>76536039
>Ruby player 2nd longest lived
>Ruby players abuse the fuck out of test and pop dbol like a child does candy.
Way to disprove your own statements.

>>76536046
Nice claim, source?

>>76536046
>still below average
Self own as usual.

>>76535963
It really depends
Cruising on replacement dose of T is very different from a tren+deca permablast
I'll give you that it can be a slippery slope though, as people can get addicted to the positive effects and 'chase the dragon' with higher doses and different substances

terrible gyno

>>76536039
The average male rugby player could live to 105 with a simple change in diet? Give me some of whatever those scientists were smoking.

>>76535895
And a hat

>>76538114
He was already NW3 in the before pic to be fair.

>>76536003
>Average bodybuilder life expectancy: mid 40s

Uh-huh. Is that why most of Arnold's generation is still alive in their 70s and 80s?

>>76539034
The ones who die are usually the ones who can't make it in bodybuilding because their bodies react like shit to roids, which is also why they die. The ones who are well known and succeed have bodies that handle the side effects the best. Survivorship bias

>>76535888 (OP)
>roiding for that

>>76535963
And other tales nattycucks tell themselves.

>>76535888 (OP)
The side effects are largely dose, compound and genetic dependent.
If you blast blast and cruise test/deca for a couple years, do your cardio, eat clean, donate blood, then just go the TRT route afterwards, then the damage will be minimal.

>>76535888 (OP)
The only side effect I care about is testicular shrinkage. If they didnt have that effect id be blasting like crazy. Imagine having shriveled up tiny balls. Gross.

>>76535888 (OP)
No side effects, OP.
Roids are completely safe and healthy.
Don't listen to these natty copers, hop on gear today, they are good for you.

>>76535888 (OP)
I use steroids and I AM BALD. I wear a cap to hide my BALDNESS.

>>76535888 (OP)
If you keep it to TRT doses and only do test and don't fuck with compounds side effects are pretty minimal.
Guys who knock TRT are just nattyfags who have no experience with the compound so they really shouldn't have an opinion on TRT and its effects.

-If you are prone to male pattern baldness it will speed that process up, if not hairline stays untouched for the most part.

-even at TRT doses you will become infertile so to avoid problems down the road if you plan on having kids freeze your sperm.

-When you first hop on you may experience mild body acne but that clears up as your body adjusts

-Don't hop and T see great results and then go into compounds,test is a gateway to compound abuse. that's when you just end up looking undeniably juiced and get unwanted sides- 200mg/ test a week will just have you looking like a guy who has reached his natty limit.and judging by picrel that seems to be your goal. It won't make you look freakish.
As long as you're okay with the sides that have been listed T may be right for you.

>>76539443
That's very ironic to call someone else a cuck when you are literally sterilizing youself, roidtranny.

>>76535980
>Your bloods will tell you that you need to change something decades before you suffer something serious.
Blood work doesn't tell you anything about roids enlarging your heart muscle so it has less internal volume and bends into an unnatural shape.

>roiding as a hobbyist
When will you niggas learn? Old Olympia winners will explicitly tell you the side effects aren't worth it if you aren't competing. Half the gym zoomer roid goblins are on bigger doses than Yates and Ronnie.

>>76539619
How come all the bodybuilders that blasted more gear than an average roider would ever be able to got kids? Oh right, you don't know what you're talking about.

>>76539639
Those guys are blasting 2g+ of gear plus 20iu daily of GH.
The olympia guys are getting extreme side effects and I think they are advocating for the general pop to not abuse steroids at such high doses.
doing a 500mg/ wk cycle of test isn't going to ruin your life.
Having said that if you aren't an athlete in some capacity I think its fucking retarded to use roids.

>>76539034
>people that can tolerate high doses of muscle-building drugs win the bodybuilding competitions.
Genius

>>76539307
>>76539800
>haha bodybuilders all drop dead before 50
>nooooo the ones that compete don't count

>>76539804
You're right man steroids are completely healthy and every single indication that they aren't is wrong. You have stumbled onto the true secrets doctors DONT want you to know. Go blast infinite roids and turn huge. I mean if they don't have side effects then why are those idiot bodybuilders not doing even more of them?

>>76535888 (OP)
Well it makes your dick bigger for a lil, thats why so many have 90% heart failure veins before 4pl8 bench.

>>76540131
That's not what I said. Don't get upset just because you can't back up your assertions with logical arguments.

I'm on steroids, and besides going bald, an enlarged prostate, heart palpitations, hypertension, acne, infertility, moodiness, hypersexuality, bloating, and chronic dyspnea there haven't been any side effects.

>>76535888 (OP)
Well from what I know is that once you start taking steroids your brain or whatever starts producing LH and FSH, basically it stops sending signal for your balls to produce test and sperm. It destroys your natural system.
In a way TRT or just plain steroid use can be considered a form of male birth control. It can become VERY hard to conceive a child and who knows if your fertility really returns to optimal levels even if you stop, especially if you like many others decide to have kids a bit later on (30s-40s). Your balls shrink.

It's up to you if it's worth it. In a way, once you start taking gear or TRT that shit is for life. It's a commitment. If you fuck around you can run into life changing consequences.
Imagine finding a woman you actually want to be with and being unable to have a child with her, then she leaves you because she wants children and you can't give that to her.

Fuck it dude, stay natty.

>>76540726
Do the girlfriends of these guys even know this? That's why I was asking if there are even any consequences of low doses. Like the guys I see on strava or even just in the gym all have a cute sweet girlfriend. There just aren't any downsides to a low dose of test.

>>76540745
Even low doses fuck with your LH and FSH.
Drop in fertility is inevitable, I heard that you can maybe go to an IVF clinic or something and get hcg to help increase LH FSH and help restore fertility, but again no guarantees.

I don't think those guys even think about this or consider this. For them it's I want results now, I want to look this way now. Building a family is a far prospect, but once you start trying and literally can't, I can't imagine how devastating it can be.
Girlfriends obviously don't know about this. Shit like this only comes up once you are married or try having children. Till then I guess it's cool.

I dare not fuck with my fertility. I couldn't do that shit to my family and leave my parents without a grandchild all for some superficial temporary gains.

>>76540770
Thanks for the info. I was never ever planning to pin but I would be lying if I wasn't a bit envious of the guys who cruise a bit on test. I am in a run club and the guys on gear definitely get the most attention from girls. It's hard as a natty to get to a body that is actually attractive to girls.

>>76540813
Bro for most girls the body they like is actually FAR from what a geared body looks.
They just like your natural genetic shit, height and frame (how wide your shoulders are) for the most part.
You can be very attractive by staying natty. Looking at all the gearheads warps your perspective. In real life you don't even realize how jacked you look to most normies.

>incels telling everyone what women like
>nattys telling everyone what steroids do
this board is really shit nowadays

>>76539582
BALD

>>76535888 (OP)
if only you knew how bad things really are

>>76536028
>hgh
Lool, only normies and cringe aktchually know it all redditors who don't work out call it "hgh"
Pro bodybuilders, blood labs, people who use the stuff on a regular basis, etc just call it GH.

>>76541743
This, saying hgh has got "hello fellow kids" energy

>>76541743
You're just making shit up to sound cool and smart on the internet.

>>76541753
All of these people are beginner noobs you moron

>>76541762
And yet nobody is sperging out like a 4chan incel. Its always been used interchangeably and nobody ever cared.
You're literally the first person in the history of the world to split hairs over how its called.
And your a dyel natty too

>>76541769
Oh no no no.
Do you call weed "reefer" or "pot" too, kek

>>76539631
if your blood pressure remains in a healthy range and you do cardio there is no risk of enlargement

>>76540827
>they like celebrities
I got sum bad newz 4 u brother

>>76541776
and yet nobody gives a shit but you because you are an akchually faggot with no life

>>76539654
because everyone knows roids sterelize you so if you're gonna be an athlete doing roids you store some sperm. you the kind of mfer to just not consider all the possibilities once you hit something that gets your confirmation bias pumping huh?

>>76541776
>asks stupid question about regional slang
>unironically posts "Toxic Positivity, Will Not Disagree With You Unless You're Talking About Self Harm, The Bot" response arguments
wew lad you are in the running for most hilarious retard on the internet.

>>76541796
>>76541826
What is like being new to fitness? I bet you are still excited about trying that new workout routine or exercise. Have you tried the low bar squat with a wider stance. Its in the beginner book starting strength by mark rippetoe. I bet you can't wait to get to the gym to try it out. Did you hear about creatine? Its all over tiktok now. It can give you extra reps, so exciting, so much to learn. Wow so many youtube channels with eceleb fitness advice. Make sure you leave some reps in reserve otherwise you will overtax the cns. Is coffee good for you?

>>76541857
>projecting
i'm sorry you started with beginner strength and then later decided that was wrong after a long tiktok scroll sesh and now have to spend every waking hour rebuilding your fragile ego

>>76541857
>>76541867
actually let's be real you're probably a scooby enjoyer.

>>76539654
>All the bodybuilders
Not true. Some are permanently infertile. The rest have severely reduced fertility and need to go on fertility cycles and take years to get their partner pregnant. Also, their offspring will not be as healthy once they finally get pregnant. Fact.

>>76536039
>Average cyclist lives to 56
Holy fuck where did you find this stupid ass study? It takes like 2 second to disprove it too. Your brain is so cooked that you actually thought posting that was a good thing. Did you even read it? Retards citing papers never fails to make me laugh.

>>76535980
Blood work only shows issues once you exhaust the functional reserve of your organs. It's like telling someon its fine to be fat and have bad eating habits until they have full blown diabetes type 2. once your body is unable to retain homeostasis the damage has already progressed to a tipping point.

TFW I look exactly like the guy on the fucking left but with blonde hair.

>>76541986
>Retards citing papers never fails to make me laugh.
Nobody here ever read the study that supposed proves roiders get jacked sitting on the couch all day, yet its treated as gospel here no matter how many times people explain that its fucking water and glycogen retention.

>>76542082
reading is hard, ctrl-f'ing words that make confirmation bias feel tingly is easy.

>>76538114
That’s enough to keep me natty right there. I will keep my full head of hair.

>>76535888 (OP)
Can you bog yourself at a plastic surgeon's office? Are LH and FSH important biomarkers? Why does RFK Jr. look like a dehydrated hot dog?

You can find the answers to all these questions and more by studying some basic-bitch biology. The thread about silverback gorillas with 400ng/dl test levels was *almost* going in the right direction of research, i.e. beyond androgens and into all the weird nerd shit proteins.

>>76535994

Not a roidfag, but this is just stupid.

>increased body fat
>decreased muscle mass
>increased depression
>increased anxiety
>reduced sex drive
>decreased motivation, leading to a more sedentary lifestyle that will reinforce all of the others

Abnormally low T won't make you "boyish," it is a vicious cycle will make you fat, sluggish and depressed, which all take years off of your life.

>>76540745

Women don't think about shit like that. Women are notoriously bad at thinking about the future, and especially the future outcomes of their decisions. Hence the number of single mothers on Tinder/Hinge talking about how little Jayden is their world, while Jayden's daddy is either in prison, bouncing between halfway houses, or on somebody's screen-printed t-shirt.

>>76541857

This nigga is so committed to the cut that he gave up the extra calories of a salad for a word salad.

>>76542114
yeah but the problem with that study is the dyel eggheads who conducted it never differentiated between muscle tissue and water retention when measuring "fat-free mass" probably because they were unaware that 600mg test will give anyone 10lbs of water weight in the first 2 weeks.
So the point is that studies alot of time dont prove shit. Especially when you realize that for every study on pubmed that says one thing, there's 2 more studies that say the opposite.

>>76542157
>Changes from Base Line in Mean (±SE) Fat-free Mass, Triceps and Quadriceps Cross-Sectional Areas, and Muscle Strength in the Bench-Press and Squatting Exercises over the 10 Weeks of Treatment.

>The P values shown are for the comparison between the change indicated and a change of zero.
>The asterisks indicate P<0.05 for the comparison between the change indicated and that in either no-exercise group;
>the daggers, P<0.05 for the comparison between the change indicated and that in the group assigned to placebo with no exercise; and
>the double daggers, P<0.05 for the comparison between the change indicated and the changes in all three other groups.

If it's pure water weight then why did their bench and squat go up almost as much as the exercise group, also

>NEJM doesn't prove shit
lol

>>76542178
>If it's pure water weight then why did their bench and squat go up almost as much as the exercise group, also
water and glycogen. Steroids cause masive increase in glycogen stores which cause acute strength increase very quickly after starting them. And it happens much to fast to be attributed to any substantial muscle growth. You;ll start to see strength increases in a matter of days.

JUST A LITTTTTTTLE BIT OF STEROOOID... COME OOOOOON... IT'S NOT GONNA MATTAAAA...ALRIIIIGH

>>76539804
See
>>76540684

>>76542142
Fucking kek at the salad joke

>>76535888 (OP)
>lot of guys my age (20-30) in my city that take some form of test
considering that the avg mal has low testosterone anyway
it really depends on how much they taking
if it just puts them back from say 3rd to 1st quartile, side effects will be relatively small

also side effects don't happen for everyone or equally
many of which are not even visible to outsiders

>they also often post with their girlfriend, so their sex life can't be bad too.
contrary to some of the incelthink here
women will not (immediately) leave you if you have ED and/or your sex life tanks
it either takes a few month or they don't care at all because she has a lower libido, he still satisfies her etc. etc.
same with penis size, going from avg to slightly below avg will not have any effect on your relationship
of course there's a lower threshold, for initially it won't be a problem

>Like so many young guys juice a bit, have a good body and do well with dating
until they get old and don't
or die early
or get some chronic illness in their 30s

>>76541780
>if your blood pressure remains in a healthy range and you do cardio there is no risk of enlargement
Steroids enlarge the heart muscle directly. Kind of like biceps.

>>76535888 (OP)

It's all a gamble.
If you're hellbent on it - take a minimal dose but make sure the source is good or you'll poison yourself.
Also genetics' one of the main ingredients when taking the "dark" route - some people do look outstanding some mediocre. It's all a gamble.

>>76543104
taking roids is worse for your long-term somatic health than not taking it. feel free to blast but dont be a tranny about it

>>76535888 (OP)
Id rather be at 315 bench 1rm than have juice gains and the consequences.

>>76535888 (OP)
jewish thread

>>76543947
>Shoe-loam ad-lichen, rabbit Motrin!

>>76535980
> edge cases
All those posters complaining on plebbit about permanently fked test values are probably fake edge cases.

> healthy to use roids
You can get heart palpitations from legitimate trt and that is a pretty common side

>>76535888 (OP)
Had a friend die at 35 from a heart attack in the middle of the night. He used roids in his 20s and was jacked af.

Once you start taking test, you basically have to take it forever due to hypogonadism.

>>76544255
>Had a friend die at 35 from a heart attack in the middle of the night.
no you didnt
>Once you start taking test, you basically have to take it forever due to hypogonadism.
no you dont

>>76542363
Side effects will never be small. With test your baseline doesn't decrease during the day but remains at a constant rate. That will always induce adverse effects.

>>76544278
Okay well it was real in my mind at least.

>>76544477
Whether the story is fake or not, the phenomenon is real: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9885939/

>>76535888 (OP)
whatever problems testosterone cypionate at low replacement doses like 200mg/w might cause are better problems than having low testosterone, and 200mg/w is incredibly safe and harmless. people who blast and shit are the ones who have problems.

>>76544255
>Once you start taking test, you basically have to take it forever due to hypogonadism.
this is utterly untrue. if you take a replacement dose, depending on your age it could take 4-8 weeks (with outliers) for your baseline testosterone production to resume. that's what decades of research shows.

>>76536061
his source is watching rugby and he is correct

>>76543104
there is no evidence that having an enlarged heart is a risk factor for heart disease, this is well known from studies of endurance athletes, who obviously don't use AAS
also there is no evidence of steroids having a heart enlarging mechanism that is independent of blood pressure

>>76544776
coping boomer on the transplant list, just cycle some ecdy and your cardiologist will be like WTF happened, kek.

>>76544791
https://doi.org/10.1161/CIRCHEARTFAILURE.121.008755
>Low testosterone correlates with HF severity, New York Heart Association class, exercise functional capacity, and a worse clinical prognosis and mortality.
uh-oh

>>76539654
>would ever be able to got kids?
tell me you're a turd worlder without telling me you're a turd worlder

>>76544827
It's almost like there are bi-phasic effects just like with estrogens for all-cause mortality where going too high or low is a big problem.
>Supra-physiological dose of testosterone induces pathological cardiac hypertrophy
>https://scholar.archive.org/work/gi35dcjsvfdddphdwowx7b5qny/access/wayback/https://joe.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/journals/joe/229/1/13.pdf
>Testosterone-induced hypertrophy, fibrosis and apoptosis of cardiac cells – an ultrastructural and immunohistochemical study
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3560513/
>The synergistic protective effects of paeoniflorin and β-ecdysterone against cardiac hypertrophy through suppressing oxidative stress and ferroptosis
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0898656824004844
>Crosstalk mechanism exploration of the medical food homology compound β-ecdysterone with sympathetic overactivation-induced cardiac hypertrophy
>https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-6171339/v1

>>76544776
>there is no evidence of steroids having a heart enlarging mechanism that is independent of blood pressure
androgen receptors; dudes dying of heart attacks at 35.

>>76535888 (OP)
Maybe they're not taking roids?
I ran 19km this morning and went to the gym this afternoon, doing cardio doesn't mean shit.

>>76544847
>four animal studies from low quality journals
>two are not even about AAS
excellent real world evidence anon, very compelling

>>76544910
>ran 19km
might even be too much cardio according to some sources.

>>76544845
>not le heckin typerino
Wrong website, faggot.

>>76542122
Sorry mate, but that's entirely genetic. I've been using gear since 2016 and I didn't go bald.

>>76546601
The best case scenario roider had multiple heart surgeries.

>>76535888 (OP)
You'll want to kill yourself for atleast 2 months when you come off and you'll be fat

>>76546601
>>76546607
>2025
>anons still don't know how to epigenetically manipulate hair and muscle growths or cardiovascular risk by finding associated proteins and using reverse network pharmacology
>everything is still just "genetics" lel

>>76535888 (OP)
Of course they do you insufferable faggot. Just because you don't ACK immediately after taking them doesn't mean they aren't doing irreparable damage to you.

>>76535954
Roidtranny cope detected

>>76546607
1. Arnold's heart defect is genetic, his mom also had it. It's actually impressive that roided for 30+ years with a heart issue before needing surgery.
2. Arnold is not the best case scenario. There are guys like Ed Corney who live to 85 without health issues.

>>76552277
>Arnold's heart defect is genetic
Lots of people have it and don't have to have surgery, that's kind of cope.

>>76550118
>4chan humor

>>76552277
3. Other people like Zyzz have genetic heart skill issues but then do so many drugs and sauna they die before even 30.

>>76552599
>and sauna
what's the problem with sauna?

Finnish people arguably sauna the most BY FAR, and
>life expectancy 81.91y
>healthy life expectancy 70.28y
they rank place ~30 at life expectancy and place ~20 at healthy life expectancy globally

sauna doesn't seem to hurt

>>76535888 (OP)
>gyno
>balding
did you even look at your own picture, retard?

>>76542010
You can very clearly see hematocrit issues early on, which is probably the biggest risk of steroid use as it increases risk for chronic high blood pressure and cardiac events. And if you’re taking orals you can very clearly assess kidney and liver function from bloods. You can’t see everything in blood, though, and if you’re taking a lot of gear it’s a very good idea to more carefully monitor your heart health with EKG and echocardiograms, but that’s if you’re taking substantial stuff or using for a decade plus.

>>76553126
Bryan Johnson has found his biomarkers really improve from short-term sauna use. But you can absolutely die of heatstroke in one if you stay in too long; that was just the final nail in the coffin for Zyzz, like he probably passed out from drugs plus genetic heart skill issues then died from heatstroke before anyone found him.

>>76539034
Arnold would be dead without his money. He has had major organ issues.

>>76539034
>Heh why would a famous movie star with millions of dollars and access to the best medicine money can buy still be alive huh? Check mate
God I fucking hate roidtrannies

>>76546607
>Bill Pearl died at 91
>Frank Zane is 83
>Steve Reeves died at 71 of cancer, not related to AAS
>Tom Platz is 70
>Samir Bannout is 69
>Lee Haney legendary 8x Mr Olympia is 65

>>76554272
Damn you're right. You'll live just as long as them! You should start blasting now and never stop! I'm sure you'll live a long life kek, certainly you're built different.

>>76553815
>>76554228
Retards. I said Arnold's GENERATION, as in all the other bodybuilders from the 60s and 70s. Guess what, they're mostly still alive and the dead ones died in theirs 70s and 80s.

Also, Arnold's heart defect is hereditary. His mom also had it, so he would have had to get surgery no matter what.

>>76554375
NTA, but those guys are alive despite being on ridiculous amounts of steroids plus other shit. You can't compare people on grams of test, dbol, deca etc + hgh, slin, and igf1 to some normal guy doing a 500mg test cycle twice a year. It's dishonest.

>>76555551
>I-its hereditary!
Just follow suit and start blasting if you aren't already roidtranny. You want so badly to take shortcuts, just do it faggot. Hopefully it kills you sooner rather than later.

>>76553350
>You can very clearly see hematocrit issues early on, which is probably the biggest risk of steroid use as it increases risk for chronic high blood pressure and cardiac events. And if you’re taking orals you can very clearly assess kidney and liver function from bloods. You can’t see everything in blood, though, and if you’re taking a lot of gear it’s a very good idea to more carefully monitor your heart health with EKG and echocardiograms, but that’s if you’re taking substantial stuff or using for a decade plus.
You don't need steroids unless you're an athlete, wrestler, or actor though. That's a lot of shit to worry about instead of lifting hard.

>>76535888 (OP)

yes, main side effect is getting rot from the inside with time.

>>76555711
I've been blasting since 2017 and my health is perfect. Seethe more, cuck.

>>76557336
>My health is perfect
Fucking lmao

>>76557336
>requires substances to do what strong men have done for thousands of years
>calling anyone else a cuck
The delusion is honestly fascinating

I can't look better than roidfags, I will always look fat, deflated and small compared to them in any bf% and weight range. But what I can do is out lift them, and apply th mindset required to become strong through will, discipline and enjoyment of lifting to other aspects of life.
If you lift for girls, sure go ahead and use steroids. Some other anon ITT is talking in depth about fertility issues, but if you are the type to lift for girls and specifically short term relationships then that's probably not a concern for you. From what I understand this isn't a one-time or casual decision, you'll be dependent on a syringe habit for most of your life if you want to keep the gains you make.
Me personally, I just like to lift and I couldn't imagine doing this at all if I did it for external validation.

There is no free lunch.
If roids melt off fat that was used to store toxins, and create metabolically expensive muscle tissue, then your health is going to suffer in other ways - such as by heart damage, liver damage, brain damage, mental illness, turning gay, cancer, infertility and shortened lifespan.

Your body kills your natural test production to try to keep you alive, because your body wants you to stay in its flabby state, because fat is used to safely store toxins.

So a realistic cost you might get being a roider:
>lose 10-30 years of lifespan
>corresponding to the early onset of death will be an early onset of severe diseases. You will feel like you're 70 when your 50.
>be infertile at a young age, and unable to start a family
>turn into a tranny as your natural hormone production shuts off masculinizing hormones and begins producing feminizing hormones to restore balance. The feminine hormones will feminize your brain.

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Define toxins.
Nigger.