Thread 76547297

>Who is /fat/ for?
For fastfood feasters working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/

>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/

Previous thread: >>76544247

Fat loss, am I right? Haha!

>>76547297 (OP)
Thanks anon. Was just about to hit "Post" with a new bake but luckily checked the old thread before it.

Why would anyone count calories when it has worse results and takes more effort?

I cheated on my diet, only three days in or something. I was at a church thing and it would've felt bad to completely ignore the food options. I didn't eat a lot, though, still easily under my maintenance, but it was some empty calories.

Good morning, frens. Stay strong.

>Don't cheat and take the injewction anon
>Everyone will know you're a fraud
>You'll put the weight back on instantly
>It'll give you cancer, and cause your eyes to turn inside out, your balls will explode!!!

>>76547321
you should have brought a little tupperware with you to bring food home in, so you could eat it at your own pace over the next couple days
they might have thought you were poor though, needing to take home food.

>~105kg at the start of last month
>~86kg as of today

A combination of OMAD/48s/72s depending on how I feel combined with 10k steps a day seems to be working well for me.

>>76547334
It wasn't proper food. Just crisps and hot chocolate. Taking tupperware would've been worse than not eating, I had a bit of hot chocolate, not a full glass and maybe a dozen chips.

>>76546087
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8522999?utm_custom6=LIA&deeplink=true

Fatty Contest
BetterNateThanLever
217.1 lbs

someone stop me I'm again tempted to stop eating real food and switch to meal replacement shakes entirely

>>76547436
but why?

>>76547436
just have a protein shake instead, if you get hungry later you can eat some real food

>>76547436
If it works who cares.

is there anything wrong with 3 scoops of whey a day?

>>76547457
in most cases no

>>76547440
I feel like I'd have an easier time if I
>stopped buying food
>stopped cooking food
>stopped thinking about food
they used to be expensive but it's kinda become fashionable in my country and now it's basically the same price as real food
>>76547442
I don't want to go full keto
but I'd probably do two meal replacements for one protein shake for better macros

staring weight: 118.1 kg 20/8
current weight: 114.3 kg 24/8
goal weight: 70 kg
height: 179 cm

method: rolling 72s with salt water and coffee

will only stop for social feasts with the family

>>76547466
I'm not on keto and I like having a protein shake pretty much every day, helps keep me full for longer and get enough protein

>>76547471
WE CANT LET HIM GET THE KETO CODES

>>76547470
You lost 4KG in 4 days?

>>76547329
Yeah, we have to stay strong

>>76547482
mostly water weight

>>76547330
Based as fuck.
GLP1 haters are either crab-in-a-bucket poorfags or already thin people who hate competition. This is why they will fearmonger GLP1 and cast moral judgement on anyone using those drugs.

>in today's episode, uncover how molecules that just happened to constitute the flesh of animals break the laws of thermodynamics
>no, the same compounds if formed in plant cells do not count because... they just don't ok?

How do i make friends in my 30s?

>>76547490
I went back to university and became friends with the professors.

>>76547490
Post on /fat/.
The people there are really friendly and will want to hang out with you.

>>76547488
>same compounds if formed in plant cells
You're otherwise right, but they are literally not the same.

>>76547330
>you're a fraud
I'm diabetic, I have an actual medical use for this , granted I'm still trying to get my doctor to raise the dosage to the one the weight loss studies did

>>76547330
Oh, vegan vs keto victimhood olympics got a new competitor?
I don't have any problem with any method of weight loss; if it works, it works. Just don't be a faggot about it, ok?

>>76547330
>>76547487
I looked it into it, and you know what the biggest cause for side effects when taking these drugs is?
Taking them and still eating like a fat fuck.
Sounds based to me(but probably they should warn people about that more, along with the fact that you don't actually have to increase dosage to max every time if you don't feel the need)

>>76547524
you don't have a medical use, you have a permission note from a doctor because he doesn't trust you to lose weight the normal way

>>76547487
I think it's the same as the people who crash diet. Unsustainable. If you want to come back here in a few years then go ahead lol.

>>76547549
It's difficult to binge on GLP1.
>>76547563
I plan to use the jab indefinitely.
Also where does this idea come from that if you "do it the right way"™ you will surely succeed and keep weight off forever? Studies and reality and all shown that people just keep getting fatter. Your supreme lifestyle changes where you learn everything about food and eating habits (read: ketardism) will last a few months or years at best before you go back to binging.

>>76547609
>I plan to use the jab indefinitely.
Taking mounjaro (offbrand) right now as well and I will at least do a washout period where I let my body adjust to being lean for like 3-6 months
Get off the drug, if I get my insane hunger back then I'll just go back on it forever as well

>>76547615
There's no upper limit on fat cell lifetime I'm aware of. Could probably take like 10-15 years until the body finally decidest to get rid of them for good. Or they might just stay with you for the rest of your life.

>>76547609
>will last a few months or years at best
I already said crash diets are not sustainable.

>>76547622
Who cares about that though, what do fatcells have to do with it?
The drugs show that its all about calories and hunger

I've been obese since childhood because my parents always told me to eat alot to grow big and strong but I remember not wanting to eat much when I was like 5-6
That's why I think I developed my high hunger after I got really fat, so maybe it can be fixed by being lean for a while

so hungry...

>>76547635
>The drugs show that its all about calories and hunger
Where do you think this hunger signal comes from?

>>76547640
From the brain, glp1 drugs act on the hypothalamus receptors

>>76547312
if you consumed more calories than you burned on keto you’d gain weight

>>76547691
you're either feeding a troll or antagonizing a mentally ill person

>>76547436
Just eat unlimited bacon and eggs. Or steak.

Avoid carbs.

>>76547639
iktf

>>76547703
Yes, he's posting on 4chan.

>>76547297 (OP)
>https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/

Told Grok to summarize this:

To lose fat, maintain a calorie deficit with a diet you enjoy and can sustain, prioritizing protein (0.6–1g/lb body weight) and nutrient-rich foods (70–80% of intake). Combine with strength training to retain muscle, increase NEAT (e.g., 10k steps/day), and adjust calories (5–10% reduction) if progress stalls, aiming for 0.5–1% body weight loss weekly.

You're welcome.

just did a 10km walk, felt pretty good until I got a cramp near the end

we're all gonna make it

>>76547782
@grok please confirm sir

how do I fix my posture? will it get easier as I lose weight?

>>76547801
Post pic, lets see that posture

>>76547490
>Wanting to have friends in your 30s
But why anon? I used to have tons of friends. They always wanted me to buy them food. And smoke up all my weed. And drink my booze. And steal my magic cards. Try and get me to break up with my gf while they were trying to fuck her behind my back.
You should be Red Foreman maxing. My coworker wanted to be friends and even told me he considered me a friend and when I didn't say anything tried to walk it back to "work buddy". I don't see any benefit in that and a lot of downsides.

>>76547801
I think it's easier to stand up straight when you have less of a gut

Are sardines the ultimate protein source?

im going to get shredded

>>76547845
No, not even top 20.

>>76547845
Chicken is the ultimate protein source, stop trying to reinvent the wheel

>>76547312
grim

>>76547845
no, ground beef is but sardines are pretty close

Keto schizo is back

when I started going to the gym last week I could do 4 miles in 20 minutes on the exercise bike averaging resistance 8/20, today I did 5 in 20 averaging 9/20

what do normal people feel when they eat a large meal, such as dinner?
when I eat something big, I want to eat even more. I don't know if I've ever felt "sated", the only things that stop me from eating are
>social pressure
>money
>the physical feeling that I'm full, but that usually goes away after 30 minutes to 2 hours
today I ate two pizzas, a dinner of pork chops + potatoes + salad, two Monster drinks, four Fanta drinks, two croissants, five cucumbers, four carrots, four candy bars, and I still feel like eating something.
should I go to the doctor?

fasting today because I'm a stupid fat pigger that went double over his diet yesterday

im bout to fucking cry bcuz i can't stop fucking my face with food

>>76547928
Yeah you should, I dont know what normies feel but I think its close to how I feel when on mounjaro

I always have the meme in my mind of the guy 'demolishing those wings' and I know that I could eat literally 100 wings cartilage and all and still be hungry

>>76547939
are you like the dumbasses above and below you who apprently can't stop shoveling shit in their mouths?

>>76547845
if they sold them in bulk yes, as they are now you have to open like 6 cans a day which is alot. its better to just get a 5 pound chicken thing

>>76547928
Bro wtf is wrong with you

a big calorie deficit is literally a cheat code for nofap lmao
lost 2.5 kg since i last touched my penis 18 days ago

>>76547976
elaborate

>>76547979
I can be doing 48s/72s and can still jack off twice a day if I wanted to
I've found losing weight as given be my libido back, kind of cool

>>76547987
How can you eat that much and be hungry

>>76547297 (OP)
Fellow fat people.

My SHIRT has BO stink attached to it and it smells like shit when I start sweating.

Anyone got any tips on how to get rid of it or certain types of shirts that will not have BO stick on it?

>>76547928
bro is speedrunning dying at 30

>>76547914
But what about the watts, it's all about the watts!

>>76547993
NTA but sometimes I feel like my satiety just turns off. I eat and eat, and only want to eat more, until I get physically sick. That hasn't really been happening much once I fixed my dieting habits and started only eating "normal" food.

>>76547993
Carbs cause hunger.

i made a chili sauce to get rid of my old chilis, ground chili peppers with a little fat, a little tomato sauce, and a little soup base.
instead of my hot dog lunch i had a single sausage patty lathered in chili, with a slice of bread, it feels pretty good eating it, you get nice and sweaty afterwards.
>>76548006
get xxl Tommy Bahama kinda shirts that drape over you, theres little contact with your skin and you can unbutton them for air flow

>>76548063
I feel like having snacks is a problem, I dunno but it's like once my stomach starts working to digest it it makes me more conscious of how empty it is

Former fat guy again here. Reminder, that's solely by virtue of being in this thread, sharing your stories, giving and getting advice. You are already on your way to making it. And I believe that no matter what your issue is, whether it's Food addiction, depression, medication related weight gain or whatever your problem may be that you can overcome it and you can stick to it and you can come out a stronger, healthier and better looking person on the other side. God bless and God speed.

>>76548077
>get xxl Tommy Bahama kinda shirts that drape over you, theres little contact with your skin and you can unbutton them for air flow
you sure that will be fine for a heavy sweater?

My entire shirt is wet after cardio

>>76548072
>1003 pounds
what the actual fuck cunt

>>76548080
>Christian is a virtue-signalling fake happiness spreader

>>76548081
i just have the bottom buttons done up so my chest is exposed and if theres a breeze outside it flows in and keeps me dry

>>76548086
Literally nobody mentioned Christianity

>>76548082
He's one of the few people who died during the show. Very sad.

I blame carbs.

>>76548094
Doesn't have to be mentioned to know it

>>76548086
I'm sorry you have such a negative mindset, but don't project your negativity onto other people. I come to these threads to tell people that they can make it to where I made it to. I believe you can make it there too, but only if you ditch this terrible attitude that you have.

>>76548079
What happens is when you eat carbs your insulin goes up. Insulin triggers fat storage. Then you get hungry because your body wants to store fat.

The solution is to stop eating carbs. If you snack on hard boiled eggs or zero-sugar jerky or salami or aged cheese you don't get hungry because your body will stay in fat burning mode.

>>76548102
Makes no sense, but okay.

>>76548105
Nah last night it happened to me and I was snacking on mini dried pepperoni sticks and almonds, 0 carbs I'm pretty sure

>>76548109
>I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, well you're wrong because there are carbs in almonds

>>76548109
Almonds are carbs. Most nuts are carbs. The best nuts are macadamia but even those have probably too many carbs and will trigger overeating.

Go zero carb for a couple days and you'll notice your hunger disappear.

>>76548091
>i just have the bottom buttons done up so my chest is exposed and if theres a breeze outside it flows in and keeps me dry
I'm in a gym so not much air. outside is a different story.

>>76548112
>>76548116
It's so over for me

>>76548116
>Most nuts are carbs.
Imagine just blatantly straight up lying to people like this.

>>76548103
I'm making it with my terrible (real) attitude, you're peddling fake positivity
Just being here doesn't mean you're on your way to making it, I feel like going to 4chan in general is a vice that should be given up if you truly want to make it

Fellow fat fucks, as alchoholic what is best to replace it? Im trying alcohol free beer, ginger beer and kombucha. I get all are bad, but non alcoholic should be better than alcoholic if it doesn't have to much sugar.

>>76548135
I'm sorry you feel that way and I hope that you can change your attitude to be more positive. I hope things improve for you.

>>76548116
>Almonds are carbs.
dude
>per 28g serving
>Total Carbohydrates: 6.1g
>Dietary Fiber: 3.75g
why lie
>>76548105
also yeah i can destroy a bag of nuts (that are mostly fat and protein btw) and still want more, same with jerky, cabanossi, cheeses of any kind

>>76548136
I would avoid beer altogether, why not try cocktails? Though avoid ones made with like fruit juice, syrup, or heavy liqueurs

>>76548157
>eat carbs
>claim it isn't carbs
>talk about how much you can eat
Typical carb eater.

>>76548072
>>76548082
imagine how many points he must've racked up in the mcdonalds app

>>76547845
Depends on what factors your considering but its hard to beat chicken breast, tastes good, very versatile, very lean, no mercury, ect Its really hard to beat. That said Turkey can be cheaper in some places, if you're not above eating bugs crickets are even leaner and cheaper than chicken, but crickets are gross and you just can't make as many dishes with them like you can chicken.

>>76548136
Cognac.

>>76547909
Yeah, they came back yesterday I guess they come back whenever summer ends.

>>76548184
but you said jerky and cheese have no carbs????

>>76548186
>very lean
Lean is bad, actually.

Dietary fat is slimming.

>>76548105
I did a strict keto/carnivore diet and still gained weight over a period of 6 months
Like 5kg
Doesn't sound like much but I was 115kg at the time lol and it was supposed to help me lose fat

>150 cal drink covers 90% of my needed protein for a day
feelsgood

>>76548194
You're eating them with carbs. Your jerky probably has sugar too since you aren't on a diet where you try to avoid carbs. Besides that you lie about carb contents by rounding several grams of carbs down to zero so even if you claim otherwise we know that "no carbs" for you means "many carbs".

>>76548201
>I did a strict keto/carnivore diet and still gained weight over a period of 6 months
>Like 5kg
>Doesn't sound like much but I was 115kg at the time lol and it was supposed to help me lose fat

>>76548201
>I did the one diet that's been clinically proven by study after study to be the most effective at reducing weight, and I gained weight!
lol ok

>>76548205
post it?

>>76548205
>150 cal
>covers 90% of my needed protein
No it doesn't. Unless you want to say that you only need 42 grams of protein a day, which, lmao.

>>76548212
Kek, I have mongolian roots from my fathers side and fundamentally disagree with veganism
My favorite food is shashlik and I would eat pounds of it when I was on keto

I'm in a living situation where it's not super feasible to cook often right now. What are some decent prepared food options for protein besides canned fish?

>>76548231
i used an online calculator and it told me i needed 38 grams a day

>>76548252
lol

>>76548252
You need a minimum of 0.6–1g/lb of lean body weight. Surely your lean body weight is not 63 pounds.

>>76548260
how am i supposed to calculate my lean body weight?

March 25 I injected my first glp1 zepbound shout. Starting weight 395, weight this morning 325.

Highest dose so far is 10mg. Luckily my insurance is covering it so my out of pocket is $20 a month. Lost 8" around my belly so far and down to 3XL shirts.

>>76548263
A man of a certain height will weigh a certain amount, from that you can extrapolate your lean weight
For example the lean weight for an average 6' dude would be like 150lb or so

>>76548263
Your best bet is to find pics of people at various body fat % and eyeball it. Or use https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy but it's wildly inaccurate.

>>76548269
How the fuck did you get insurance to pay for it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAfy26xs6e0

>>76548195
So for you your ideal protein source would be something like smoked pork ribs with no sauce.

Its got nearly twice many calories in fat as it does protein.

>>76548269
Imagine the loose skin....

And lol at using GLPs when 400lbs, when you would loose weight eating 4500 calories a day.... Kinda shooting your wad early no?

>>76548097
why's dr now putting her on a 1200 calorie diet? doesnt he know cico doesnt work? someone should contact him and tell him about keto

>>76548276
>For example the lean weight for an average 6' dude would be like 150lb or so

LMAO even. Lean at 6 ft is like 185lbs

>>76548298
No, thats maybe someone who is lean could weigh and they'd have to be fairly trained for that
Lean weight would refer to your weight minus ALL the bodyfat

>>76548260
nevermind i was able to figure it out with my virtual scale
my protein goal should be a higher than what i previous thought but not by that much

>>76548289
yum

>>76548292
Dr Now combines low-carb with calorie counting. Emphasis on the low-carb.

>>76548305
>fairly trained

Yeah you have to get newbie gains but that isn't difficult. 6ft 185lbs at 12-15 percent bodyfat is like one year of lifting

>>76548330
>calorie counting

LMAO absolutely btfod himself. Put me in the screen cap

>>76548334
I dunno the exact numbers and this seems highly enthusiastic
My point was that it has to be weight at 0% bf
And I was mentioning the average guy, not the /fit/ lifter who blows up with newbie gains

are those weight loss shows actually good

>>76548289
For me ideal would be short ribs slow cooked in butter or ribeye deep fried in tallow. I've never had sauceless pork ribs. Anything you enjoy which is zero-carb and high-fat is a great option.

>>76548323
>68.1lbs lean weight
>81.1% of total weight
>84lbs total weight
what the fuck are you even on

>>76548339
Unlimited calorie low-carb works better than calorie counting.

>>76548348
It's hit and miss
On one hand its very motivating to see fat people succumb to their gluttony
On the other hand they're eating tons of food which makes me hungry

Is Creatine worth it for someone just starting going to the gym? It's fucking expensive

>>76548356
Then why does he prescribe a calorie number kekekekekeke

>>76548362
Yes. It's good for you even if you don't go to the gym at all, but for gymgoers it's a must.

>>76548347
Oh okay, but you really should be eating 1g per lb of total bodyweight once you get to a normal BMI. There's no downside and plenty of upside. So RN I weigh 190lbs and I eat 190g of protein. Keeps me full asf.

>>76548373
>There's no downside
Lean protein sources are pretty pricey. And boring when you need to eat A LOT of it.

>>76548355
im under average height

>>76548394
post stats

>>76548348
My 600-lb Life is good because Dr Now tells people to eat low-carb. You can predict whether they succeed or fail at their next weigh-in by paying attention to whether they listen to the low-carb advice or not. It's a perfect predictor. Everyone who eats carbs fails.

>>76548382
Agreed but it's a decision, do I love carbs and fat or do I love myself ya know

>>76548368
>calorietards can't read
The low-fat diet was calorie restricted. The low-carb diet was unlimited calorie.

Unlimited calorie low-carb worked better.

Here's another example. Unlimited calorie low-carb consistently outperforms restricted calorie diets with carbs.

>>76548405
Luckily you can eat unlimited amounts of dietary fat. The only thing that matters is eliminating carbs.

>>76548402
I lost 60lbs while still eating carbs you retarded nigger.
That's a normal portion too that fat bitch is justiying bullshit.

>>76548408
Nice nice, now adjust the graph for waterweight
Oh they didn't do that did they?

>day 3 of the sugar diet

Down 1.5lbs and hit a bench press pr this morning

7 days to go

>>76548408
> -6 kgs in 6 months
> 1 kg per month

Is that the normal loss rate? doesn't sound right.

>>76548415
Post body.

>>76548422
>eat unlimited calories of fat and protein
>lose weight
According to CICO theory they should have gained weight. Unlimited calorie low-carb consistently results in superior weight loss to calorie counters.

I'm a white man so I stay away from bug foods (grains)

>>76548459
They didn't actually eat unlimited calories
We don't know how many calories they ate
No one denies that keto is more satisfying which causes people to eat less calories

>>76548450
People who don't comply with the diet are included in the average.

Individual results can be 60lbs per month if you stick with zero carb.

I started repeat watching the boogie2988 saga to morph my hatred and disgust of him to hatred and disgsut of myself, to push me into losing weight.
started 18-6 intermittent fasting + 8000 daily steps. Lost the first 5 kgs of water weight in the last week, heres to doing this for a month.

>>76547928
Bud you're fat, that's all. I'm 6'3" and now I'm 189 lbs and still everytime I enter the fucking kitchen for whatever fucking reason I'm reminded there's a shitload of food in there and I want some, even if I've just eaten and I'm feeling fine or even full, even had dessert, and I'm cleaning up, I'm reminded I could just help myself to some biscuits or another piece of chocolate or a yogurt or just cook some more. Normies just don't have that.

>>76548463
You can eat more calories on low-carb and still get better results.

Body composition is all about hormones.

>>76548459
Was 260, now 200. I have reduced the amount of carbs by a lot but I still eat them.
>>76548462
My white ancestors skullfucked your "white" ancestors while eating delicious bread.

>>76548447
this honestly sounds like the most retarded thing i've ever heard but I'm humble enough to admit when I don't know something

>>76548473
Yes and that just goes back to waterweight, everyone knows you lose a large chunk of waterweight on keto which is not accounted for in any of these studies

>>76548474
Post body with timestamp.

>>76548475
Sugar diet is a vegan psyop. The people promoting it do steroids. All that matters for body composition is hormones. Roiders cheat by injecting hormones.

>>76548475
It's just cico, sugar helps you keep NEAT up. I just put sugar on fruit and drink coke/orange juice

>>76548459
looks like anon was right. it was probably water weight as that study says the results were the same by the end of it.
>>76548450
its pretty low, 1kg a week is more normal
what are you eating?

>>76548519
>cico
already retarded

>no protein for a week
lmao

how long does it take to finish rebloating after reducing deficit?

>>76548519
BASED MEMEDIET ENJOYER

>>76548127
In a 92g serving of almonds you get 20g of carbs
In a 160 g serving of egg noodles you get 40g of carbs
Fuck
Off
Retard

>>76548522
i eat once/twice a day in a 6/7/8 hour window and then fast for the rest. I make the meals pretty large, but mostly chicken and rice/couscous (trying to lower the carb intake). I heard that eggs are a superfood but for some reason they give me serious headaches.

>>76548541
>Using misleading measurements to try and save face.
OK man

>>76548473
the study in your picture was for calorie deficit diets where both parties were eating restricted calorie diets

>>76548541
>If you eat about 550 calories of almonds, you'll get about 20 grams of total carbohydrates, only 8 of which are actually real absorbable carbohydrates and not fiber. But let me just keep Saying misleading things To get people trying to lose weight to believe nonsense.

Ok

>>76548136
Take shots of apple cider vinegar and tell yourself it's booze. I was drinking Michelob zeroes for awhile they're only 29 calories as well. Drink a couple of them pretend you're drunk and go to sleep before your body wises up to it. Went from a half gallon of liquor every 2 days to no alcohol in 6+ months feels pretty good.

>>76548522
>cropping the image like that
It's very interesting how people who claim to believe CICO are such shameless liars.

The "parameters" referred to in your deceptively cropped screenshot are "blood pressure, lipids, fasting glucose, and insulin".

Meanwhile the study says
>The very low carbohydrate diet group lost more weight (8.5 +/- 1.0 vs. 3.9 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001) and more body fat (4.8 +/- 0.67 vs. 2.0 +/- 0.75 kg; P < 0.01) than the low fat diet group.

Which you chose not to screenshot. Pic related. And here is the URL:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12679447/

I hope this educates everyone in /fat/ about who is pushing calorie theory (i.e. liars).

>>76548555
I'm not that guy, but yeah, that's sort of his point. His point is false because Gary Taubes literally founded a low-carb science initiative to try and prove this very point, Did a better, updated study, debunked his own point and discontinued the initiative.

>>76548560
>ad libitum low carb diet
Literally no one knows how much they ate

>>76548560
Because they ate fewer calories. CICO (of which keto is a part) remains undefeated.

>>76548568
Yeah, that's why it's called ad libitum and not "2,500 calories"

>>76548570
yeah and they could also eat 2200 calories ad libitum

>hard stuck at 130 pound bench at 6'0 200 lbs
>"Eat more"
>eat more
>hard stuck at 130 pound bench at 6'0 220 lbs
>"You're too fat, lose weight"
>lose weight
>hard stuck at 130 pound bench
>"More reps"
>can do 10 reps with 130 pound bench without issue
>cant do even 1 rep at 135 pounds
>repeat forever

>>76548570
Yeah, that's why it's called ad libitum and not 2200 calories. I'm not sure you know what that term means.

>>76548560
you claimed twice that the low carb diet was unlimited calories, it explicitly says reduced calorie diet, comparable to the other group.

>>76548555
>>>>The men on the low carb diet lost three times as much abdominal fat as the men on the low fat diet.

>>76548578
Just stop replying to him, you can tell by his mannerisms he's the same guy who comes to every thread and says you can eat unlimited, low-carb foods and lose weight. He uses the same terminology every single time. You're not going to convince him. He's a shill.

>>76548575
Why are you lying
130lb bench?
How would you even get that number?
1 plate is 135lb

>>76548575
Stop bench pressing and use a machine buddy

>>76548579
>You lose more when you eat less.

>>76548555
>>76548579
"People in the low carb group lost significantly more weight. This was especially true for the men, even though they ate more calories than the low fat group."

>>76548459
>>76548522
>>76548560
Beware the calorie liars, /fat/ friends.

They are here to harm you by lying.

Screencapped for easy reposting.

>>76548576
Exactly they could eat lower calories than the other group and you wouldn't know

>>76548585
Nobody counts the bar weight you fuckin new faggot

>>76548585
>1 plate is 135lb
The bar is 40 pounds and 2 plates of 45

>>76548592
Like I said, you don't know what the term means.

>>76548597
The bar is 45
>>76548593
Everyone does

You all dont even lift weights

>>76548575
The rich man is not he who has fulfilled all his desires, but he who has few desires. Do not desire for things to happen as you wish them to, but only desire that they happen as they actually do.

>>76548582
Autism is more likely. He doesn’t seem to be pushing a brand.

>>76548598
Ad libitum means as much as the test-subjects want to eat
So it could be less, it could be more, no one knows and no one controls it

>>76548596
>Subjects were prescribed two energy-restricted (-500 kcal/day) diets

Oof not a metabolic ward study we just have to trust fatties self reported intake ...

>>76548610
Exactly

>>76548603
>He counts the bar

Dis u?

>>76548613
Yes, exactly
Hence why it's a bad study with unreliable results

>>76548611
"People in the low carb group lost significantly more weight. This was especially true for the men, even though they ate more calories than the low fat group."

>>76548611
No you don’t get it bro they broke the laws of thermodynamics.

>>76548619
Yes, we don't disagree.

>>76548546
if you ate the rice every other day instead of every day you could probably lose a couple extra kilos a month

>>76548618
im built like this

>>76548620
*claimed to eat more calories than the low fat group *claimed to have eaten

>>76548298
I'm 6'0" and 185 is literally the cutoff for becoming overweight. I used to weight 167 pounds and it was great and I was not at all a skellington.

>>76548362
I'll never understand this meme. Protein powder I can understand it has a big scoop. The creatine scoop is fucking tiny. My $20 of creatine is going to last a minimum of 3-4 months.

>>76548369
>>76548654
Alright I'll look into buying some, should I just mix it with water or can I put it in with my protein powder?

>>76548635
BMI isn't for lifters tho

>>76548590
Here's a better screenshot with images expanded for full context.

Who is coming here to lie so blatantly and why do they do it?

>>76548236
a whole can of lentils (3.5 servings) has about 20 grams of protein

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Goya-Lentils-Canned-Beans-15-5-oz-Can/128614648

>>76548590
Here's a better screenshot with images expanded for full context.

Who is coming here to lie so blatantly and why do they do it?

>>76548582
You can eat unlimited low-carb foods and lose weight. More weight than people who restrict calories while eating carbs.

Pic related.

>>76548630 BTFO >>76548713

>>76548728
If you eat more calories than you expend, your body will store the excess calories as fat.

>>76548728
Sure thing, buddy.

>>76548756
>Still posting this 9 month old image.
As always, low carb pushers are liars.

>>76548739
Define "eat more calories than you expend" in a way that isn't synonymous with weight gain. If you can't do it then you are using a linguistic deception to say
>if you gain weight you gain weight
which is meaningless.

Fatty Contest
TimTamSlam
230lbs
6'1"

>>76548728
>You can eat unlimited low-carb foods and lose weight.
No you can't

>>76548201
>>76548232

I'm starting to understand why everyone calls you ketoschizo you just ignore everything that doesn't align with your claims
I wish keto worked, eating meat is great but it just makes me hungrier

>ok fine cico deniers do post body but I'm going to say it doesn't count anyway
Calorietards can't stop being dishonest.

This example here is very blatant: >>76548713

They are explicitly trying to trick people. It's not a disagreement or an honest misunderstanding. Calorie clowns are deliberately lying.

>check /fat/ after being some time away
>retards are entertaining the schizo again
>mfw

>>76548791
You can in fact eat unlimited low-carb foods and lose weight.

Here's another example. There's 7 or more studies showing unlimited calorie low-carb works as well or better than restricted calorie alternatives.

>>76548799
Feeel free to post your current body right now with a timestamp, which you won't do, because you're most likely obese, and you want to derail other people. The reason you posted the picture that you did is an attempt to prevent people from reverse image searching it, which is why it's a screenshot of a post that was made literally four years ago. Don't respond to this post unless it's your current body with a timestamp.

>>76548807
>You can
still waiting on that body with timestamp.

>>76548807
Your study picture literally says the low fat diet was calorie restricted

Anyways not my point, I'm telling you I gained fat on keto
I gained 5kg over 6 months of eating straight up meat and eggs only, I didn't even drink milk bro because it has carbs

Just made low calorie pumpkin cheesecake and it was orgasmic.

>>76548547
They're both about 1/4 carbs. You pretending almonds don't have carbs is poke saying egg noodles don't have carbs.
>>76548556
It's still 1/4 carbs babe.

>>76548830
Yeah bro that's the point.

Unlimited calorie low-carb has better results than restricted calorie low-fat.

Pic related is another.

>>76548842
Hello, anyone in there?
You're still ignoring the fact that I gained fat from eating meat and eggs

You said that you can eat unlimited low-carb foods and lose weight but I tried eating, not even overeating; just to satiation, no carbs and I still gained weight

>>76548654
In the morning I mix my protein scoop my creatine my zeolite my magnesium fizzy powder and some metamucil in water. I'm good till lunch it's pretty nice.

I get home from the gym and I just wanna go back to the gym after a few hours of sitting around

>>76548728
it took me a while to find the detailed breakdown of this study, they kept track of the calories each group ate per day and the low carb group ate on average 1400 calories, they also ate less calories than the low fat group.

this is far from "unlimited calories" like you said.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-140-10-200405180-00006

>>76548857
We already know that CICO defenders come to this thread and tell lies.

See: >>76548713

Here's another screenshot of a study showing weight loss on unlimited calorie low-carb. Superior weight loss compared to restricted calorie low-fat.

>>76548882
>estimated

>>76548713
There are definitely some carbs salesmen on this board. Food is carbs fat and protein. The healthiest one to remove is carbs. This enrages the noodle merchant.

>>76548887
So you're saying I'm lying, then I will accept your concession
You simply can't handle the truth so you will cope by denying it
Unfortunately, mostly for me that is, it is the truth

>>76548769
Let me know which word you didn’t understand and I’ll define it for you. Consuming excess energy causes weight gain, but that doesn’t make them synonyms.

I have insomnia again, cause I'm so hungry

>>76548882
What a shock!

>>76548868
>>76548671
Oops was meant for for this guy

>>76548882
Kek

>>76548923
Thanks, there's a supplement store near my gym I'll check it out on my way back tomorrow

>>76548904
Ok well then if you aren't defining them as synonyms then you're simply wrong. Eating excess calories doesn't cause gain in body fat. Only carbs cause body fat gains.
>I expected that even though I was eating 2500 calories a day, an increase of 500 calories a day for me, that I would not gain much weight, I already knew that eating fat and protein doesn't make you fat.
>The biggest and most unexpected change was losing so much body fat in the 30 days. I lost 19.6 pounds by the end of the month
https://ketogasm.com/the-bacon-experiment-interview/

>>76548842
i looked this one up too and the conclusion was that the high protein low carb group ate less because they were less hungry. cico nigga.

>>76548941
An anecdote proves nothing, particularly if it comes from “ketogasm.com”. Funny because you just rejected an anecdote from >>76548857. I guess they’re only true if you want them to be true lol.

>unlimited calories, I meant 3000

Oh so 3000 calor-

>3000? Why would you say that I meant 2000

So 2000 calories an-

>2000, obviously not that many goy 1400

What a jewish faggot eh

>>76548954
Here's a scientific paper proving you are wrong. Excess calories aren't fattening. Only carbs are fattening.

>consuming a hypercaloric high protein diet does not result in an increase in body fat.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4022420/

>>76549004
Unlimited calories means that calories are not limited.

Here's another study showing unlimited calorie low-carb results in greater weight loss than a calorie-restricted diet with carbs.

Bro literally no one but you cares

going below 15% bodyfat is literal hell

Is the unlimited in the room with us right now?

gonna eat a big ass burrito on friday, it's still within my limit if I skip lunch

>>76548817
cicotards never post body either, and when they do it's embarrassing shit like >>76548474

>>76549032
Enjoy

>>76549062
>losing 60lbs is embarrassing
stay mad faggot
post body

The very first time someone humors him and googles on of the meme studies he posted it's exposed as a 1400 calorie diet ....

>>76549032
Fuck I've been craving one too, got some ground beef and taco sauce last night I need to make it

>>76549017
unlimited calories just meant they weren't told to restrict calories, in the study you're referencing it says the participants willingly ate less calories

Threadly reminder to newfags. Calories in calories out is the only thing that's real. Bitter fatties will troll this thread with meme diets that ocasionally work for a crash diet, but you will rebound when you realise eating like a retard is hardly sustainable.

>>76549081
No.

>>76549095
Unlimited calories means that calories aren't limited.

Here is another. Unlimited calorie low-carb vs portion reduced low-fat.

Unlimited calorie low-carb has better results.

>type 2 diabetes

Lel

>>76549096
Nothing is more retarded than measuring all the food you eat, logging it in a diary, and then going hungry as you try to restrict intake.

Unlimited calorie low-carb is the most sustainable diet.

>>76549115
I can easily eat 2kg of chicken breasts in one sitting and feel less full than 3-4 apples. Are you saying that's preferable?

>>76549101
>Unlimited calories means that calories aren't limited.
every study you've cited has had the participants eating, or choosing to eat less calories

>>76549115
Anon, it's 2025. We've all seen vegans and ketoschizos irl. If you spent half as much time taking care of yourself, as you do soft trolling the fatass thread, you wouldn't be such a pudgy fuck yourself

>>76549141
>or choosing to eat
NTA
yeah that's a pretty important difference
Every fucking study ever has shown that if you cut out processed foods (hint: CARBS) your body self selects for lower caloric intake
>B-BUT MUH CICO
>goes back to eating a shitload of carbs

>>76549131
Yes. Hypercaloric protein diets don't cause increased body fat. See: >>76549005

Literally the only thing that can fatten humans is carbohydrate.

You can eat fattier meat though for satiety. Pure protein isn't satiating. I prefer eating 1:1 protein to fat by weight. Zero carb of course.

Beef has more nutrients than chicken, such as creatine and carnitine. So I'd suggest eating medium or regular ground beef. Bacon is also preferable to chicken.

>>76549131
>Are you saying that's preferable?
Yes, are you retarded?
Your body will piss or shit out any excess protein you can't digest. Meanwhile the apples go straight into glycogen and prevent fat loss.

>>76548006
take a fucking shower

Yeah great job retards. We're nearly at bump limit; a whole thread wasted because you faggots couldn't resist arguing with the schizo. Now he's got his little chode up from all the attention he's getting and will 100% appear in the next thread spamming the same old retarded shit he always does.
I'm not going to be the one baking a new thread. One of you idiots do it if you like dick jousting with the ketoretard that much. Fuck you, I'm going to sleep.

>>76549183
>everyone that disagrees with me is a schizo!!!!
>please stop talking about things I don't like
maybe you should go back to your subreddit and stay there

>>76549182
>take a fucking shower
It's not my fucking body you nigger. My shirt smells like shit.

>>76549193
smells can stick onto things, chances are ur body now smells too

>>76548252
BWAHAHAHAHHA
>>76548263
oh you're retarded

>>76549183
It's not a waste of a thread. We exposed the calorie clowns as liars. See: >>76548713

Very useful information for everyone.

>>76548475
it not only sounds like it is retarded but it also is absolutely retarded

>>76549215
It may be retarded but it works

>>76549005
>first interventional study
Literally admitting every other study proves the opposite. Also this study had self-reported calorie counts which can be thrown in the trash.

>>76549193
wash your fucking shirt nigger do you not have a washing machine
and use detergent not just water
>>76549228
works for losing muscle

>>76549160
that study is on mma fighters, and theyre eating a relatively small amount of calories for an athlete.
per kilo the participants are eating 30cal, which means a 200 pound mma fighter is eating 3000cal
youre really stretching the conclusion

>>76549201
>smells can stick onto things, chances are ur body now smells too
but it's only on my sleeves that it smells.

I have to take a shower before I go to the gym?

>>76549231
>wash your fucking shirt nigger do you not have a washing machine
>and use detergent not just water
DO YOU THINK I DIDN'T TRY THAT ALREADY YOU ABSOLUTE RETARD?

>>76549183
It's a tricky situation, even ignoring him can't stop him from spamming or samefagging.

>>76549231
I can practically feel my muscles falling off as we speak. I guess your right, you need 6 million grams of protein and you need to eat every 2-3 hours or else!

>>76549249
no? why would ur shirt stink before the gym?
shower afterwards and change into new clothes afterwards

>>76549249
>DO YOU THINK I DIDN'T TRY THAT ALREADY YOU ABSOLUTE RETARD?
yeah, I do think that since your thisrts apparently smell before you put them on

>>76549268
Brownoid detected, Opinion rejected.

>>76549270
>no? why would ur shirt stink before the gym?
How the fuck am I supposed to know? I put in the washer with detergent, dryer. It doesn't smell when I take it out.

Then when I start sweating it specifically only smells bad in my sleeves.

>shower afterwards and change into new clothes afterwards
I shower everyday and after my workout.

>>76549276
is it just the same shirt every time or all ur clothes?

>>76549280
>is it just the same shirt every time or all ur clothes?
I don't think it smells that bad on my other shirts.

Just one of my shirts smell bad on the sleeves

>>76549276
>Then when I start sweating it specifically only smells bad in my sleeves.
>when I start sweating me and my clothes start smelling

I sense (heh) a sort of connection here but I can't quite put my finger on it no matter how much I sweat over an answer

>>76549283
man just toss it and forget abt it then, not worth the trouble

>>76549288
>I sense (heh) a sort of connection here but I can't quite put my finger on it no matter how much I sweat over an answer
why the fuck would the other parts of my shirt not smell like shit then?

>>76549291
what if my other shirts start to smell bad there too?

>>76549299
why would it happen to ur other clothes?? no offense anon but are you indian or something? im not racist or anything but i really dont understand why else youd be dealing with this much unavoidable stench on ur clothing

>>76549268
by your own admission you have been on the diet for 3 days
it takes like weeks of literally eating NOTHING to lose a significant amount of muscle mass

>>76549299
are you indian?
all offense, I'm racist

>>76549361
>>76549361

>>76549252
he will get bored of samefagging at some point he won't get bored if people argue with him