Thread 76547969

I believe that DHT is a trash hormone after puberty and that people only try to downplay this because they don't want men to be empowered by 5AR inhibitors. DHT’s only undisputed ongoing role in adulthood is negative in many quality-of-life domains (balding, prostate enlargement, sebaceous overactivity). That’s a pattern, not a coincidence.

"Post-Finasteride Syndrome " does not meet the threshold of a medically validated condition. No clear, reproducible biomarkers, no well-controlled longitudinal studies showing causality, and most findings are self-reported, often without ruling out nocebo effects, health anxiety, or unrelated conditions.

I believed Haircafe's hype as well, however either I'm unlucky or people are underreporting but it totally wrecked my libido

>>76547969 (OP)
blah blah blah ur a faggot

>>76547969 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pyc7cK2nV8

>>76548028
and your bald

>>76547969 (OP)
Been on finasteride for a month and considering switching to dut. I had no visible bald spot when starting but my hair was absolutely thinner at the crown.

When will I know if fin is working? Is dut hard to get your hands on?

>>76548033
nope hahahahh faggot tranny eat my dick

>>76547969 (OP)
Good thing that reality doesn't operate on what you believe.

>>76548024
Typical crab lying to make others fear and get nocebo'd

>>76547969 (OP)
I'm fine with fin, but dutasteride was too strong for me and made it difficult to get boners. Be careful, OP.

op is a shut-in retard that is addicted to shitposting bait all day. he doesn't take duta. he doesn't even go outside.

>>76548110
>>76548024
Seething PFS baldies

>>76548149
Thats unsupported by any studies. Dutasteride 2x a week is literally as effective as daily 1mg Fin while having fewer sides. 3x a week is more effective still with fewer sides. Dutasteride is the more commonly prescribed drug in Japan and Korea, Fin is only more popular in USA because it was approved first and it's cheaper

>>76547969 (OP)
Inhibiting DHT nukes your sperm quality and can render you infertile long term. Enough said

>>76548040
Want a reply to this

>>76548309
how does duta have less sides even though it crashes the conversion of test to any form of DHT more than fina does?

>>76548444
Cause bullshit science orchestrated by pharma companies

>>76548315
Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ-4A8G6Wm8

Also, what the fuck is a bald man going to do with fertility anyway? This wouldn't affect the risk reward even if it was true

>>76548444
Here's what chatGPT said

dht is good too much is bad and nuking your dht is pants on head retarded

>>76548499
post scalp

>>76547969 (OP)
finasteride makes you trans. keep coping bald fag genelet

>>76548510
you can't see my scalp im not bald

>>76547969 (OP)
There’s literally no difference between you and a tranny

>>76547969 (OP)
Tranny bitch

>>76548309
Dutasteride kills 90% of your DHT while fin only blocks 70%. That's why.

>Dutasteride is the more commonly prescribed drug in Japan and Korea,
They don't have testosterone anyway.

>>76548315
Lol no I've been on roids and fin for years and I'm still fertile.

If I were balding and dead set on hair loss drugs I'd defo go for dutasteride .5mg daily it's by far superior to anything else and combined with 5% minox foam 2x daily it would be hard to lose hair. The data on this stuff is pretty clear

Imagine being this obsessed with your image lmfao

>>76548030

i aint watching all that, i take oral min + fin and I get to keep my hair. no sides. good deal.

the haircafe guy is alright but he fearmongers about oral min way too much. the side effects are not a problem at the dosages you get prescribed for hairloss.

>>76548773
Finasteride and Dutasteride increase test. Test =/= trash hormone dht

>>76548773
>They don't have testosterone anyway.
Yeah because onions latte drinking western fat asses like you are high t

>>76548040
For most people you should be on fin for like 6 months to actually be able to see a difference in your hair.
I don't think you need to switch to dut immediately, start with fin and switch to dut if fin is not enough.
How hard is dut to get depends on the country you are in, harder in some easier in others.

>>76547969 (OP)
DHT is a trash hormone but there's still sides from 5ARIs

>DHT's key roles in brain function
Cognition and memory: Studies show that DHT is involved in regulating learning and memory, especially in the hippocampus, a brain area critical for memory formation.
Synaptic plasticity: DHT enhances synaptic plasticity, the brain's ability to strengthen or weaken connections over time. It does this by modifying the number of excitatory synapses and influencing key signaling pathways.
Neuroprotection: DHT has neuroprotective effects against oxidative stress and neuroinflammation, which are common factors in age-related cognitive decline and neurodegenerative diseases.
Mood and anxiety: Through its derivatives, DHT can modulate mood and anxiety. These derived neurosteroids, for example, activate GABA-A receptors, which have a calming effect on the nervous system. Research also suggests a link between DHT levels and emotional stability.
Neurogenesis: DHT supports adult hippocampal neurogenesis, the process by which new neurons are formed in the brain.

Is rubbing beef tallow on your head a viable method to prevent hair loss? I think everyone is sleeping on it.

>>76547969 (OP)
Does anyone have any real proof that DHT is *not* an important neurosteroid?

>>76550022
Who cares I take fin and have no sides

>>76550093
Yeah just like everyone taking antidepressants, kek

you you mess with any hormone you get sides
this is just a the law of the land
>b-b-b-b-
not an argument

>>76550105
>>76550102

dunno what to tell you

skill issue on your parts I guess

>>76550110
You won't "feel" your IQ decreasing or otherwise note it as a side, retard-kun

>>76550114
a side effect is not a 100% chance of occurring, retard

maybe if you were on finasteride and had hair you wouldnt be so angry

>>76550117
I'm 19 doe and have a full head of hair

>>76550122
me too, thanks to finasteride

I guess you can have fun being bald when the norwood reaper comes for you though, the 1 or 2 IQ points I lose from it is still way higher than the 80 or 90 you possess

>>76550122
not that anon
but unironically why would a 19 year old with a full head of hair be in this thread or claim any sort of authority on the matter of hair loss/DHT production/inhibition
not even trying to make an appeal to authority fallacy claim, literally just curious

>>76550130
I mean it's not like I don't want to plan ahead, hair loss doesn't run in my family but it's good to have options
However since it's not something I'm predisposed to I don't want to risk it if it's going to fuck up my brain, for example

>>76550134
you are an extreme outlier, but you do you

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5023004/

>Currently, there is no direct link between 5ARI use and depression; however, several small studies have led depression to be listed as a 15. side effect on the medication packaging.
>Sexual adverse effects, such as decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, and decreased ejaculate, have been reported in as many as 3.4 16. to 15.8 percent of men. Fortunately the effects are usually mild, with large studies suggesting the symptoms improve over time.

No link between finasteride and depression, minor sexual side effects for some men

DHT shills btfo

>>76550144
not him but im the same way. not balding but every man is predisposed to it genetics or not. i also like to research most all things biology related as these topics are all interrelated

>>76547969 (OP)
nah ur just a tranny
>>76548024
this. dont touch this tranny drugs lads

>>76549448
dht blockers confirmed retard AND faggot creating drugs. gay bottoms and trannies only

>>76547969 (OP)
How much does dutastride differ than finasteride ?
For hair loss I mean
>>76548030
huehuehue
Imagine making a video just to blame your HSTS on a drug.

>>76548309
Isn't duta need longer time to start working?

>>76547969 (OP)
Gave me anhedonia after 3 years low dosage topical, inb4 nocebo, i didn't even know it could do that. Just get a wig bros, taking this shit for life will fuck you up sooner or later.

>>76547969 (OP)
Post-Finasteride Syndrome is very real. Haircafe has blood in his hands. The world will come to know the truth in time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JDOOIBqqfUA&t=124s&pp=2AF8kAIB

>>76550022
It's allopregnanolone which is the big one that fucks people up. So essential for so many things.

>>76550102
antidepressants wreck your dopamine and spike your prolactin, unlike finasteride

>>76547969 (OP)
It is a hormone of localized inflammation
DHT is produced in the top of the scalp due to lack of bloodflow (tight scalp)
DHT is produced in the prostate due to lack of bloodflow (in the old age due to inactive prostate, lack of erection)
DHT is produced in the frontal cortex due to lack of bloodflow during long sleepless nights

etc etc etc

>>76550755
This, finasteride also gave me numbness in the anal region. Be careful out there baldbros

>>76547969 (OP)

Imagine getting hooked on the pharmajew for life. Can't be me

>>76551475
"Imagine getting hooked on toothpaste for life. Can't be me"

>>76551479
>Tranny drugs = toothpast

>animals lose their fur because of disease, manlnutrition and stress
>for humans, it's somehow "just genetics brah"

Balding is a sign of a disease, not "genetics".

>>76551483
an anonymous user suffering form fluorosis typed this post

>>76551487

The only disease here is insecurity and pharmajew Stockholm syndrome

>>76551161
https://youtu.be/Su1JqxphaMs?t=452

finasteride makes you produce more alloprenanolone

>>76550755
>anhedonia

Literally a fake jewish “condition”. Not even a fin user but this is hella gay. Go to church or something and stop believing in the propagandistic lies of retarded jews on the TV.

“Uhhh I have like a medical problem where like everything boring :(“ what the fuck lmao. Imagine trying to explain this shit to anyone at any point in history prior to people being able to just become shut in losers on the internet 24/7. “Shut the fuck up faggot” and just like that you’d be over it. Lmao

>>76551487
You are unironically one of the worst posters on this website. Every take you have is bad.

>>76551170
Pretty sure fin could have the same effect

>>76548040
duta is easy to get online from indian pharmacies if you're in one of the few places that doesn't sell it at the pharmacy without a prescription.
its way more effective than finasteride but the long half life means it takes like 6 months to build up to steady state, some people take a 2.5mg dose for a month so it builds up to the levels of a 0.5mg steady state before dropping down to 0.5mg to skip the 6 month build up

>>76551170
Finasteride has the same effect because DHT is a modulator of dopamine. It could explain why people on 5ar inhibitors exhibit loss of libido, blunted emotions, genital numbness, etc.

>>76552011
Citing this former meth head who got bullied so hard as a teen he had to go on antidepressants and whose brother molested his children. You're a faggot

>>76552109
He's right though

>>76552224
You forgot numbness in the anal region, depression, suicidal thoughts, brainfog, etc. DO NOT TAKE FINASTERIDE!

>>76551487
male lions go bald, doesnt mean theyre sick

>>76549312
Who said I'm western?

>>76552109
Funny how you're the only one butthurt about the truth 100% of the time.

>>76551487
le kek

>>76549448
Yeah? Well I'm on the best DHT inhibitors known to man and I don't remember seeing any of those studies!

>>76550166
>shills
It's literally online mtf transgender folks who are trying to scare the shit out of cisgender males so that they let themselves go bald. Yes, they really are that bitter about the existence of straight males who are trying to improve themselves.

>>76552093
yeah i don't feel LITERALLY anything when i'm laughing and when i'm angry, don't feel the buzz on alcohol and its because i'm sad or don't go to curch. damn you are a retarded faggot.

>>76552011
>linking to a video from a literal lolcow

https://edramatica.com/Kevin_Mann

>>76553851
It's not trannies, it's bald cucks who are salty they didn't get on fin when it was time.

>>76547969 (OP)
i don't have sex anyways, may as well keep my hair

>>76552308
Yes I agree I'm fucked from taking an antibiotic called doxycycline and suffer from PSSD now and have all the same symptoms as PFS.

>>76552093
mental health conditions are fake, but physical one's aren't. do some research on the vagus nerve, you're objectively wrong, and ignorant so it's whatever. low iq post

>>76554955
>https://www.wave3.com/story/24213914/father-accused-of-forcing-son-to-take-sleeping-pill-sending-him-to-hospital/

His brother is also a pedo like him

>>76553851
yeah but, the real question is. what's better?
>bald, lean, cuck
>attractive, hair having, dick doesn't work cuck

second one almost seems worse. both are awful regardless.

>>76548040
your hair gets worse before it gets better because the weak hairs have to get pushed out for the stronger ones to grow back. It means it's working.

I have been taking finasteride daily for a year to prevent hair loss (it hasn’t started yet) and I am absolutely certain my boner strength has decreased. I mostly get half boners now. I’m 24.

When I take cialis I can fuck gf twice a day with full hardness, so I illegally buy like three hundred pills of cialis online in bulk yearly.

My expenses have increased dramatically all because I am paranoid about losing my hair. I have no idea what long term effects this will have on my health. But I just can’t be bald bros sorry.

>>76556520
Bro is out here castrating himself and fixing his castration with more drugs for a thing he doesn't even have
LMAO

>>76556526
>My dad went bald in his mid twenties.
Every baldness forum has people crying that they wish they started earlier. Finasteride can preserve your current hairline not regenerate a new one.
I hope the scientists figure this shit out soon

>>76556370
Second is still much better unless you're a genetic anomaly who can pull off baldness. With hair at least you can still bottom, get jobs, not be treated like shit generally. No one wants a baldie around, not even themselves.

>>76556586
> With hair at least you can still bottom
uhhhh wdhmbt

>>76556520
>>76556554
You are retarded. You are literally destroying your sexual and your mental (sounds like you have anxiety now) function for a cosmetic issue. You're talking about still bottoming (you're a faggot) and getting a job well tell that to the people with PFS that are literally bedbound by their condition.

>>76556520
Try TRT. Some options are injections (with hCG to preserve fertility) and scrotal testosterone gel (with enclomiphene for fertility). You could start with enclomiphene alone and see where that gets you.
You want to pump up your free testosterone to 200 pg/ml or greater. The excess of free testosterone will saturate the androgen receptors and your symptoms will go away.

op is based af every single one of you fucks who experienced "side effects" experienced it not from the low dht but from the high estrogen. You are just a fucking failure the test that didnt get converted to dht didnt stay free test on its own but you are such a low ugly fat fuck that your remeaning test got converted to estrogen and hence your side effects you little cucks, be mogged

is it time to shave it off? 22m

>>76548024
I'm not on fin, I'm 37, I eat very well, I'm fit, I lift, etc and ny libido is crap.
There are so many reasons libido can drop, included aging.
Not saying he drug could not have an effect but is it really that easy to tell, how much does it effect and will the effect continue as you keep taking the drug or other factors eill come into play and rebalance things?

I trooned out 3 days ago (fin). No side effects yet. I cant take it, the norwood reaper has slain me.

>>76558882
nta but aging is just a retarded bogeyman for lifestyle changes and other real health issues like insulin resistance

>>76558833

Yes, but don't cry, what women don't like is a man trying to hold on to something that's already gone (denying reality). What they like is a man who accepts reality, by shaving it off you're making the most of things.

Also, the discipline required to keep yourself clean shaven while bald is admirable and something I do not have the determination to do as a full head of hair haver.

In short, yes shave, you're a man, you've got this.

>>76554955
Damn, is this stuff real? The guy was a little weird in the video but this is a lot

>>76548491
>what the fuck is a bald man going to do with fertility anyway?
have kids? do you not have any bald niggas in ur family

>>76552093
>imagine trying to explain this shit to anyone at any point in history prior to people being able to just become shut in losers on the internet 24/7
its actually very present in writings and medical concepts prior to the 18th century, down to being considered important to the four humors that people believed governed the body, it was referred to as melancholia (although that was a broad term that encompassed both depressive states but also delusions and hallucination), the idea that religion or going to church had anything to do with it is actually the more relatively "modern" take, as melancholia was only associated with demonic possession during the middle ages
so basically ur stupid and stinky and gay AND cringe
poopyhead

>>76554955
>fucked his 15yr old cousin when he was 26
Holy shit

>>76559103
Well, fin doesn't cause ED then

>>76557940
You take the same drugs that trannys do Congrats

>>76552011
No wonder.
I always felt better when I on it.

>>76558998
Actually no, but even if I did, they're from a different generation where women were practically forced to be with men they aren't attracted to. Where do you see 20s-30s bald men having kids in the West?

>>76547969 (OP)
so i've been taking this shit for 3 years, 0.5 every other day, and my hair has never stopped shedding, slowly but surely my hairline is losing ground. When is it supposed to work?

>>76560371
You can take it daily and even increase the dose up to 2.5mg daily

>>76552232
>ad hominem
nice argument

>>76556684
>well tell that to the people with PFS that are literally bedbound by their condition.

lmao

>>76559988
I take a drug that literally was banned on bodybuiling competitions cause it was considered performance enhancing drug.

WHY DO YOU RETARD THINK IT WAS BANNED CAUSE IF ANYTHING ITS GONNA RAISE YOUR FREE TEST YOU DUMB FUCK DHT HAS 0 POSITIVE IMPACT IN YOUR BODY GOODLUCK PISSING WHEN YOURE 50

>>76560789
DHT is 5x more andgrogenic than test, tranny bro also see the post about DHTs effects in the brain the shit is neuroprotective and decreases anxiety and makes you feel confident and shit

>>76560801
DHT is dogshit as an anabolic, just because its more androgenic doesnt mean its better for building muscle

Why do you think bodybuilders take TRT and not DHT?

also see
>>76552011

>>76560801
had DHT been that important the strength drops from taking dut would be incredibly high, but they're not. if any strength decrease occurs it is very mild. the one thing i will say is it does seem bald men tend to be more explosive but the difference dht makes on strength is not nearly as important you imply it to be.

>>76560801
See >>76557917

>>76560844
>>76560849
>muh muscles

I don't think you guys truly appreciate the benefit of having an androgenic masculine brain. I would go so far as to say that I would rather take the inverse. If you told me there was a pill that would lower my test and make me less muscular but it would increase the amount of androgenicity of my brain I would be interested in taking it.

>>76560878
do you know what the pinnacle of an androgenic brain is? autism. you don't want excess in any direction. personally i like the effects of dut on me. the mental effects might even be positive depending on a person.

>>76560925
in the hormonal sense I would posit that the peak androgenic brain is like a psychopath CEO or alpha male prison boss. And the peak of a feminine brain is just neurotic OCD and mentally ill shut in cat woman.

The autism thing is structrual and hormones dont really affect that in adulthood

>>76560984
im not sure if psychopathy is peak androgenic because testosterone makes you more honest and cooperative. i also noticed dut making me more psychopathic but again i like this effect cause i was too honest for my own good before that. i think the main positive of high dht is mood stability, so i agree that it lowering dht skews you toward feminine brain due to more neuroticism, but on a practical level it gets kind of offset by the increase in psychopathic behavior.

>>76560789
It was banned because it was being used as a masking agent retard. If anything taking 5ar inhibitor is going to decrease your performance in the gym. There's a reason why DHT derivative drugs like masteron, proviron and winstrol make you grainy and strong. Imagine being so confident and turning on caps lock to look so fucking stupid. Your tranny brain is not working properly because of the lack of neurosteroids from 5ar inhibition.

>>76561063
did not read a single molecule, taking my dut pill right after posting this message.
Youu need a supraphysiological amount of testosterone converting into DHT for that “super androgenic hormone” to do anything. DHT alone is useless. Testosterone is what actually makes you a manDHT just makes you bald, wrecks your skin, hurts your heart, and leaves you with a hypertrophied prostate.

Your girl isn’t fantasizing about some balding, greasy, pizza-faced loser. She’s texting her friends wishing she had a man with a full head of hair instead of you. DHT derivative roid users are bikini female bodybuilders. That should tell you everything.