Thread 76551022

Why is muscle growth still a complete mystery?

>Mind to muscle connection
Still have zero clue what the fuck this means.

>>76551022 (OP)
It isn't at all people who say that want to confuse you so they can get you follow their nonsense.
You can get a pretty clear picture of how it all work here
https://bodyrecomposition.com/training/muscular-tension-and-muscle-growth

You can find more in-depth explanations by googling [chemicals] role in hypertrophy of type 2 muscle fibers and all the types of cells and so on but this is probably the least amount of information you can get away with and see the bigger picture.

>>76551022 (OP)
rest and sleep are important right? but how can muscle grow during the night if protein you ate at dinner wont be in your blood stream anymore for 90% of the night?
or did our ancestors always eat right before sleeping?

>>76551027
work out when you're high on something to feel the difference.

Some people literally have better brain systems for lifting and better dopamine systems for activating and recruiting more muscle.

Its the same deal as an army having either a weak or a strong leader. A strong leader can get more out of his troops and also handle more troops.

>>76551022 (OP)
Primarily because it's a difficult thing to measure scientifically
>dude just have ten guys lift and measure their 'ceps duh
This is unscientific
To really measure hypertrophy you would have to
>take 500 people
>put them in a camp and strictly regulate their activity and sleep and diet
>subsist them on a set diet for minimum 6mo to set a baseline
>fully genotype them
>NOW run your hypertrophy experiment
Which is obviously impractical and infeasible
Therefore it's all shit and who knows

>>76551100
I remember seeing this study with like 30 people and one of the men who participated in the study actually ended up losing muscle even though the study supposedly put everyone through a surplus and made them exercise, so like... was the study just complete bunk or did that guy just happen to be the most miserable genetic dead end of all time?

>>76551022 (OP)
are you retarded?

>>76551027
It's just knowing how to engage the muscle you're trying to target.

>>76551082
I think saying you grow when you sleep is a bit of an oversimplification, just because rest and recovery are indispensable, even though most of the growth may not actually happen during sleep but rather in the hours after training and a protein rich meal. That said, you could also make use of slow-digesting protein before bed to keep more amino acids in your blood stream during sleep.

>>76551288
tats why training in the evening is bullshit
you get 1 maybe 2 protein rich meals and then you waste half of your hypertrophy window time
train in the morning and you van get up to 5 meals to grow

>>76551318
Lmao "hypertrophy window" youre tarded

>>76551322
your muscles don't grow forever
you have 48 hours at best

>>76551318
I don't think it really matters, because MPS stays elevated for 24+ hours anyway, so you always have the same number of meals to grow, no matter when you lift.

>>76551353
I saw Jeff Nippard quote a study that said "intermediate-advanced lifters only have 12hrs of post-exercise enhanced MPS, but that makes no sense, how can changing your muscle mass change how a biological process works? It's very strange

>Jeff Nippard
why are you listening to this fraudulent manlet on steroids?

>>76551367
He's not completely wrong, although I'd say it's still closer to 24h than 12 for intermediates. It's just that the body gets "used" to a stimulus. After some time it requires a stronger stimulus for the same response and eventually the response itself becomes lower in intensity.

>>76551255
Not a surprise
There's another study floating around where a group of trainees is cycled through 4 different training schemes
Off memory, something like
>heavy: 3x5 LP
>bodybuilding: 3x8-12
>endurance: 2x25
>power: 3x3 at heavy weight
And they were measured after every training cycle
And they found that for any given training scheme, some people got great results, some didn't get any results, and sometimes some would actually regress
But always when somebody regressed, they would progress on a different training scheme
The idea being that different people have different genetic propensities to differing amounts of volume and intensity
Which means you can't just blanket recommend one program to everyone, and instead we should advise beginners to try out different training styles and find out what works for them
Nobody is doing that yet, but sooner or later some influencer will pick up this study and package together a group of training schemes like this for newbies to try

>>76551022 (OP)
It's not
Google AMPK and PPARd, they are the master regulators of muscle and fat

>>76551367
recovery/adaptation gets more efficient. and there's less additional gains to be made. less damage to repair and less mass to add

>>76551322
>Lmao "hypertrophy window" youre tarded
these are the people giving advice on /fit/