Thread 76556897

Why have people been told to eat carbs for so long when carbs don't improve performance?

>>76556897 (OP)
nobody thinks that a single carbheavy preworkout meal boosts your performance, its about filling up your nutrient storages you fucking retard.

anyone who has done a proper low carb diet could tell you this. the ones claiming low energy are probably eating garbage. we have ultra marathon world record holders on low carb the entire time. anti low carb rhetoric has to be the most retarded fud of all time

>>76556934
when you are an ultra marathon runner youre a fucking freak of nature giga anomaly, it has nothing to do with the way you eat you fucking retard

>>76556897 (OP)
You have to carbload to go for a 2h cardio sesh

>>76556897 (OP)
>there is no magical meal that makes you run faster

No shit.

>>76556952
actually it does as this person wasn't setting records until going low carb that's a direct before after cause effect relationship on performance

>>76557050
So?

>>76556934
Ultra marathon running is hardly "peak performance". They can jog slowly for extended periods of time, probably never getting their heart rate over zone 1. That kind of performance is totally fueled by burning fat, that's why they are rail skinny and sickly looking.

Performance is speed, agility and strength. Ultra marathoners have none of that.

>>76557063
I'm not even going to entertain a study that has been conducted by ketoshills

>>76557071
You're just going to keep changing your argument to fit your pov so there's no point having this convo. Bye idiot.

>>76556897 (OP)
The only performance ketolards do is on the chans with posts like this.

>>76556897 (OP)
Every pro athlete and olympian has consumed carbs.

keto is only good if you want to drop a dress size quick

>>76557075
There's no profit in advocating for keto. The shills advocate for CICO, exercise, eating carbs, and a plant-based diet.

>>76557253
Animal product industry begs to differ, countless keto products beg to differ, countless keto books, youtube channels etc beg to differ
What a stupid point to make

>>76557253
>is selling a book about low carb
>study is about how great low carb is
You are retarded and deserve to get scammed

>>76557268
the profit margins for selling keto are gonna be a lot less than others. the diet is addition through subtraction. you eat whole food and that's pretty much it. you can write all the books and make all kinds of products but it's gonna b inferior to just eating some eggs and veggies no other purchasing or training required

>>76556897 (OP)
You are NEVER going to psy op me into not having a little treat before the gym

>>76556897 (OP)
It improves my performance. I couldn't care less what some study on runners shows.

>>76557307
Backpedaling cope, take the L and eat some carbs so that they can fuel your brain a little

>>76557271
They could write a book about high-carb, too. Them selling books on low-carb just demonstrates that's what they believe in.

>>76557320
I'm not the same guy and your reply is not argument. The best form of keto relies on zero additional purchases or training. Whole food. Everything past this is cope

>>76557346
Yes. The problem with most studies is that the people in charge of them already have results in mind. They are looking for a certain answer and will be more inclined to find it. Its a bias.

>>76557393
Everyone has a bias. The most biased people are the ones who pretend they don't.

>>76557395
Thats why you do double blind trials

>>76556897 (OP)
Link the study

>>76557411
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2023.1084021/full

>>76557090
>Every pro athlete and olympian has consumed carbs.
like... ever? in their life?

>>76557420
Whilst being a competitive athlete

>>76557316
People who say that carbs improve their performance are the same who say that they get a headache when they fast; people who are addicted to food and whose body has never learned to run on its own fat reserves.

>>76556897 (OP)
man we had like a 2 week break without you niggers shitting up up our board.

>>76557696
Competitive athletes do best on zero carb.

>>76557720
The only "sport" where not consuming carbs isn't a huge hindrance is ultra marathons where you're going so slow that you can burn fat fast enough. And ultra marathons are more about who can function with the least sleep. Anything else and carbs are a massive performance boost.

I seek ketoshizo is back to spamming threads. Go advertise your grifters elsewhere.

>>76557749
>grifters
lol. I'd actually rather you eat your carbs. whatever normies latch onto they ruin. Ketobad, yes, eat the carbs and leave me the hell alone.

Ketogenic diets will always be controversial for the simple fact that quitting carbs, sugar and junk food is hard and most people are too weak willed to do it.

That's it. That's where most of their arguments come from. From a place of inability to do it and seething at those who can.

They will bend over backwards to create any rationalizations that consuming carbs is beneficial somehow because they can't stop.
They will cope by counting calories telling themselves that junk food and carbs are okay if you carefully weigh all your rations.

Anyone who's done it for extended periods of time can vouch for its results.

>>76558456
If you depend on your physical ability at all on a day to day basis then I don't blame them. It is beyond traumatizing trying to go through keto for your first time. It does not mesh well trying to start keto with the average everyday chaos that is life. If you have a good solid year alotted to do nothing but experiment then it would be a lot more viable. Then the fact is keto simply won't work for everyone. Too many individual factors. I say this as someone who is very athletic and been keto since mid 2020. I was temporarily unenmployed due to Covid and I took that opportunity to try Keto. The first month was terrifying no way I could go through that while also meeting the demands of a 5 day work schedule.

I agree mostly with your post tho. Arguments against keto are always secretly about the arguer wanting to keep eating junk. Not a good argument.

>>76557747
Yeah that guys a retard. Go spectate at an Ironman competition, they are slurping carb gels as soon as they get out of the water

>>76558578
They probably got the covid injections too. So what?

>>76557050
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>>76556897 (OP)
It's not that, it's more that a no carb diet is going to kill your performance. Even "low carb" is more than sufficient to replenish your glycogen stores.

>>76558871
I don't advocate no carb but you're wrong. The human body can make all the glycogen it needs without ever ingesting a single carb

>>76558899
Of course it *can* make the glycogen but the question is whether it can do it fast enough to keep up with demand from the muscles

>>76558914
There's no reason to believe otherwise

>>76558929
Then why is zone 2 the fat-burning zone?

>>76558969
I'm sorry but I speak English not inluencerese

>>76558969 #
I'm sorry but I speak English not influencerese

>>76558975
Not an influencer thing, it's well-studied that if you try to use too much energy at once your body will stop burning fats and switch to carbs instead

>>76559003
That's what ketones are for. There's no well-studied effect of turning off fat burning in ketosis that doesn't involve ingesting a bunch of carbs.

>>76559010
>That's what ketones are for
No, ketones are primarily for the brain, the liver cannot produce them at a rate fast enough to use it in place of glucose everywhere (otherwise why would gluconeogensis even exist?)

>>76556934
Names of those record holders? I want to research their diet.

>>76559078
Zach Bitter

>>76557075
I dismiss any scientific paper on astrophysics if it's done by astrophysicist for the same reason. Just grifters grifting.

>>76557079
>some fag did this and he swears it was good
Lmfao nice post bro. You really convinced us.

>>76557720
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the human body works.

>>76559096
NFL defensive player of the year playing a position that requires greater size, strength and speed than any other. The absolute best physique and year of his career, on a low carb diet.

>>76556897 (OP)
Endurance athletes have known for quite a few years that burning fat is superior for performance, there's even been ultra-marathon runners on zero carbs. It's not news. And everyone knows about mr high carb himself Tim Noakes doing a complete 180 on it years ago.

The carb vs fat thing is really a proxy war between modern foods and traditional foods respectively. You shouldn't need a study to tell you that carbs are useless, you only need common sense. We evolved eating fat not carbs, we have to refine carbs just to make them bioavailable and the wild forms of plants barely contain any digestible carbs, we digest them as saturated fat.

So long as food companies exist and their useful idiot vegans, you'll see constant fake science and propaganda telling people to eat a "balance" of carbs.

>>76559102
He’s also on steroids so nothing you said matters. I didn’t even know who this guy is until you mentioned he’s a pro athlete. With every post you utterly dismantle your previous one. Please continue.

>>76559130
He's competing against the biggest strongest athletes in the world. There's no counterpoint to this. Your idols are also on steroids. There's no honorable high carb dieters.

>>76559141
> There's no honorable high carb dieters.
Except those ‘biggest strongest athletes in the world’ he is competing against

>>76559200
Oh so the high carb athletes aren't on roids? I get it you're retarded. He received the reward given to the best defensive player in the game playing a position that requires the greatest combination of size, strength and speed. At this point you have to be literally retarded to continue making anti low carb posts hence why I will address you as such every time you reslond, RETARD.

>>76559123
I'm not even anti-fat, but some of the things you say are just blatantly wrong.

>We evolved eating fat not carbs
We evolved eating both.

>we have to refine carbs just to make them bioavailable
Not true. Most sources of carbs can be eaten as is. Grains have to be refined because biting into them wrecks our teeth.

>>76559123
Endurance athletes have been upping their carb intake massively for years. And they're shattering records because of the better fueling.

>>76559209
Hay guys we have found one of the hundred thousand athletes out there who claims to eat low carbs that’s all the evidence we need that carbs are bad

>>76559209
If 99% of high performers are consuming carbs at a moderate-high intake (with most of them having high consumption) then ignoring them for the 1% who don’t is smooth brain thinking anon

Preworkout carbs mostly affect blood sugar, there's a minor increase in performance and a slightly better pump due to increased insuline but nothing major. Performance and pump are mostly fueled by glycogen from prior meals, especially from the day before, because glycogen storage takes hours.

>>76559141
So you admit it’s the steroids. At least you came to your senses.

>>76556897 (OP)
>Why have people been told to eat carbs for so long when carbs don't improve performance?
Post study because I bet it was designed by dweeby retards who made poor choices for parameters and caused a ceiling effect.

>>76556897 (OP)
>middle distance running
who cares?
you need carbs for optimal body composition and strength

>>76556897 (OP)
>twitter screenshot
>emoji
Anyone responding to this thread who isn't just chiming in to mock the very premise is beyond saving.

>>76557357
You're not making any argument - the best form of any diet relies on zero additional purchases. You are very clearly biased because you're stripping out the associations that apply to all diets and saying it only applies to the one of your choosing.

>>76559086
False equivalency.
One makes a living off giving terrible and even dangerous advice and selling supplements that offer no real benefit and the other does not.
There are studies showing keto diets are inferior for building muscle and strength.
>>76558456
Anecdotes posted by anonymous people on the internet are 100% useless, anyone could make shit up to defend their little meme ideology and preferences as a coping mechanism.

Also there are far too many people who were promoting keto diets over the last 2 decades and are now promoting something else entirely like carnivore or "peaty" eating.
>>76558899
The human body has no need to be very muscular or strong either.
>>76558929
We have studies showing keto induces CNS fatigue and lowers resistance exercise response.
Survival mechanism =\= optimal state.
>>76559010
Your muscles don't use ketones, ketones are produced mostly to provide your brain with a source of energy besides glucose because your brain has by far the highest demand for glucose in the body(around 120g a day) which never goes away it is only lowered, if you are barely able to meet that demand your body will produce ketones as a survival mechanism.

>>76556897 (OP)
n=30, fat intake as a covariate to carb intake for seemingly no reason, and the 5k times don't even seem significantly different. Basic stats should be mandatory in school, way more important than trig since seemingly every scam artist and con man wants to lie to people with numbers.

>>76559489
>There are studies showing ...
>doesn't post any studies

>>76559489
>We have studies showing keto induces CNS fatigue and lowers resistance exercise response
I'd bet anything they are the most dogshit designed studies of all time with theoretical mechanisms of action
>Your muscles don't use ketones, ketones are produced mostly to provide your brain with a source of energy besides glucose because your brain has by far the highest demand for glucose in the body(around 120g a day) which never goes away it is only lowered, if you are barely able to meet that demand your body will produce ketones as a survival mechanism
You claim ketones are a survival mechanism how is that different from any other mechanism? I could easily argue it is glucose that is not needed to consume as the human body literally does not need to consume any and the subsequent fat storage is a "survival mechanism" because it literally is.

>>76559294
>>76559299
>ask for example
>receive example
>change argument
every time

>>76560267
>Using a disgraced doctor with diabetes and bottom of the barrel test who was forced to give up his medical license for ethics violations as an exqmple

>>76560267
>Using a disgraced doctor with diabetes and bottom of the barrel test who was forced to give up his medical license for ethics violations as an example

>>76556919
fpbp
/thread

>>76560827
>sees argument
>ignore argument and deflect
Every time

>>76560954
You are a vegan.

>>76560983
>ask for example
>receive example
>nooooooo it doesn't count until it has reached my moving target threshold
There's no deflection whatsoever you're a fat gay loser

>>76560987
You can't be invited to be reinstated unless you'd actually given up your license.

Thanks for proving my point. Have a great day.

>>76560992
My point is that you are a vegan.

>>76561000
My point is that your assumptions are irrelevant because your logic flow is nonsensical. I'm glad we can be done with this conversation. Have a great day.

>>76560988
>"All I ate was meat, fish, veggies and fruit. That's it. For 67 straight days."
>Fruit

Lmao yeah I'm sure he was in Ketosis.

>2025
>People STILL are falling for Atkins 2.0
I feel like you would be better off preaching to Facebook moms.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28630601/
> The linear and non-linear high-CHO diets in the comparison both caused significant performance improvements, while no significant improvement was seen in the KD
>Wilson et al. [56] recently reported similar increases in strength and power in a protein and calorie-matched comparison of a KD and a Western diet model, suggesting that KD might have less ergolytic potential for strength training.

>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28012184/
>No significant increases were observed in total body weight (- 0.9 [- 2.3, 0.6]; p > 0.05; ES = [- 0.18]) and muscle mass (- 0.1 [- 1.1,1.0]; p > 0,05; ES = - 0.04) in the KD group

>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0920121116302698?via%3Dihub
>Children on the KD exhibited differences in skeletal development that may be related to the diet. The changes were independent of height but appear to be exaggerated in patients who are ambulant. Clinicians should be aware of potential skeletal side effects and monitor bone health during KD treatment. Longer term follow up is required to determine adult/peak bone mass and fracture risk throughout life.

>https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/hy1101.095332
>We conclude that a dietary intervention in which pregnant women increased their consumption of meat and reduced their consumption of carbohydrate-rich foods resulted in elevation of their offspring’s blood pressure during adult life.

>>76556897 (OP)
because retarded normies think a high carb pre-workout meal is 2000kcal of pasta when all you need is a few slices of bread.

>>76561010
Also

>>76561010
He has used a keto diet to improve body composition his whole career. Literal facts my dude. It's just like I said no matter how many no matter how prominent of examples you just keep changing your argument because you're a fat gay loser.

>>76561035
When? The only thing I can find is him saying he just ate meat, fish veggies and fruit in 2014. Thats not a keto diet. It's a paleo diet.

>>76561065
All those things can be keto what are you talking about