Thread 76559480

I haven't masturbated in 5 days and I am now constantly horny. I already went to the gym trying to get rid of it but it just comes back even stronger. The worst is seeing all the cute girls out there.
I don't have a girlfriend and I am also an incel, so having sex as a release is not possible.

>>76559480 (OP)
Im day 70, you just live.

>>76559480 (OP)
I start having wet dreams 3 days into nofap
>>76559494
you're low T soiboi then

I'm not sure what day I last fapped, but I know at least nights Ive been forgoing it. I'm hoping it'll help my sleeplessness since Ive been fapping before bed for years.

>>76559533
At least four nights Ive been foregoing it.*

>>76559480 (OP)
When I go too long i start doing weird stuff like buying sex toys, talking to trans in discord, looking for Hooker’s

>>76559480 (OP)
>I haven't masturbated in 5 days
How often did you do it before?

Just jerk off dude. I would go fucking crazy if I completely stopped. You're not gonna get super powers. You're just going to be super horny and thinking about women constantly. Ill find myself daydreaming about my ex and starting to get sad. Then I realize Oh Shit! I haven't jerked off in a couple days thats why Im an emotional bitch. If you're a young man flowing with t and lifting weights like an animal - your body can absolutely handle lots of cum. Think of arnold. He specifically mentioned coming constantly

>>76559561
Daily or even twice a day since 12 years.
I have realized for myself that yes, masturbation is healthy but for an incel like me who just jerks off and avoids girls it's not a good state to be in. I should actually never touch my dick and if I want to get it touched find a girl(friend). That is the natural state.
But it's just insanely hard to do it seems.

>>76559578
>Daily or even twice a day since 12 years.
Your body has been doing this for 12 years (since 12 years of age?) and you expect to be able to cold turkey without issue? Your body expects this daily biological release.
You need to taper, for a looong time.
Good news is it'll be easy, bad news is it'll take a while.
Try every other day for a month, then every 2 days for a month, etc.
Taper all the other aspects of your habit too, duration, the content you use, gotta figure that out yourself.
You might even pass NNN with this alone.

>>76559611
>You might even pass NNN with this alone.
By which I mean you might surprise yourself at how quickly you'll adapt, it gets easier.

>>76559611
Okay but what do you do when you are horny? Actually try and meet girls? I feel like this is what my body (and soul) actually wants. Not jerking off and not watching porn.
I am a NEET and haven't talked to a girl in 6 years, maybe fapping is part of the problem.

>>76559501
> you're low T soiboi then
No I’m just controlling my lust while you have pics saved on your pc of girls you will never fuck. I do have temptations but you have to control them

>>76559578
Find a middle ground bro. A lot of people who struggle with masturbation addiction are lacking a hobby to take up the time they would be jerking off. I used to basically never go outside and I was so hooked on porn, was using drugs and gooning and all that embarrassing shit. As soon as I started making friends it was like I forgot about porn. I legit just didn’t thunk about it anymore. So maybe you need a friend or an activity or a place. I know it sounds fucking stupid but you could even just go for a walk when you start feeling the urge to look at porn. Just fill your time. It’s a time game.

>>76559480 (OP)
jerking off usually solves it

>>76559617
You're feeling more urgency because you stopped cold turkey.
You'll be able to brush it off easily, you'll just do whatever else you do when you're not jacking it.
You were probably feeling fine on day 2, for the most part.
You have to accustom your body to not expect and orgasm every day.
>maybe fapping is part of the problem.
It won't solve your other issues, you should still make it a goal to not be a habitual wanker, even if you don't quit forever.

>>76559480 (OP)
This anon is correct >>76559632
Whenever I actually have other things to do (literally anything), masturbation and pornography may as well not exist to me because it just isn't worth my times at those periods (This is coming from someone who will go on 4-5 hour sessions at times). The activity and content is such a waste of time that filling that dead time with quite literally anything is better.

NoFap is mostly a meme, the real thing that you should be aiming to do is NoPorn. With no pornography your urges to want to masturbate will decrease a fair amount and drop down to about once a week/every 2 weeks, at which point I just see it as a bodily function that needs clearing out. The time taken on the activity also drops SUBSTANTIALLY. There is no constant scrolling and searching for new videos, fetishes, pics, etc for hours on end. You just jerk it and you're done in 5-10 mins.
The Devil finds work for idle hands.

>>76559617
>maybe fapping is part of the problem
no shit, here's a list in no particular order
1. you are supposed to use the sexual drive from not fapping 24/7 to go out and actually do shit including talking to girls. start by making a male a friend at the gym, the library or wherever as part of the training of your unspergening
2. you are resetting your brain from years of watching what I assume is fucked up porn. don't lie, I know you're not watching softcore half naked women. I know it has devolved into deranged stuff. your sexuality WILL get fucked up down the line if you continue.
3. if you fap and eat 24/7, your lizard brain believes you are accomplishing your evolutionary objectives. you have secured food and sex, why should your body care about expending energy to do anything else than rot as a NEET?

>>76559480 (OP)
I wouldn't do nofap until I was getting pussy. Im an attractive guy and have always had good luck with women, but I've had my dry spells while single. During times I did nofap during that I basically went insane, simped over mid ass women, was damn near tempted by jailbait coworkers that were obsessed with my physique... I feel like nofap is a good tool if you're trying to increase the quality of a sex life that actually exists but otherwise Im not entirely convinced its psychologically healthy. I mean neither is porn but its conflicting. If I watch too much porn eventually I end up watching cuck shit because its extreme and nuanced and then I hate myself

>>76559667
also I was on test and a little tren so my libido was unnatural I guess thats a point well worth considering now that I think about it. Also wouldn't do those things without a fuck buddy because you're gonna get aids from a hooker or some shit like that

>>76559657
This tbqh. Add to this the fact that modern society of castrating, through social norms, education, culture, intimidation, employment and with chemical means, young men, from their teens well into their late adulthood, and you will understand why there is this male virginity and depression epidemic. Porn and fapping isn't actually the cause, it's the blow-off (heh) valve that allows this mass nature raping enslavement to continue with only an insignificant amount (in the grand scheme of things) of violent eruptions and suicides.

It's fucked up.

>>76559667
>>76559670
The thing is the more i nofap the more i don't wanna quit it, i feel guilty wasting my sperm fucking my hand or fapping to men who fuck women i want to fuck, it's literally a cuck fetish, i'm day 70 right now and desu i don't feel my best altthough i benched 100kg x 5 reps but mentally i think i'm the same as day 20 for example. It's weird. Also when i had pussy like you said i was fapping on top of it because the more sex you have the more you want, and me being on a dryspell rn i forgot how pussy feels FUCK

>>76559680
yeah thats the same way I felt, basically cucking myself without even getting to watch. I guess just be mindful of the fact your libido is gonna make you act retarded if you're not in check. Maybe its just me man. but I spent 6+ months wrapped around the finger of a female friend in a relationship because she was emotionally cheating on him with me and all it culminated in after all that time was her breaking up with him and making out with me... but I never even hit. I thought I was in love with her but shes an adulterous maniacal woman that under normal circumstances i would not have considered a suitable partner. Also I came very fucking close to fucking a 17 year old which probably would have ruined my life. Perhaps not technically illegal in my state but could have been a BAD move socially

>>76559667
>simped over mid ass women
Simping is bad but what's wrong with mid women? Nothing better than them (I am mid too but just with a jacked physique).
Also, I don't know why but maybe you are directing your sexual energy into the wrong direction. There is a difference between being horny and lusting over sluts and being horny for an actual girlfriend. Like your libido tells you exactly what you want, there is no higher thought. If you want to fuck used up trashy sluts who are 17 then do it. If you want to find a life partner then do that.

>>76559617
>maybe fapping is part of the problem.
>maybe
Nofap literally started on 4chan as advice to get neets out and fuck real women

>>76559718
>neet
>incel
>fuck women
How?

>>76559627
Sure.
where does your semen go then?
You either fuck it out, fap it out, or dream it out

>>76559732
>can't fap
>horny, a lot more free time, a lot more incentive
>work out and get a hobby = more attractive and more interesting (remember we're talking guys that barely exist as human and do nothing but fap and watch youtube all day)
>ask girls out, probably fail but get used to rejection and realize it's not a big deal
That's the idea. For a lot of people it worked, for some it didn't. You generally just stumble your way through. I think out of 50-60 matches on hinge I had 5 that talked for more than a few lines, and only 1 that amounted to an actual date. Even then I don't know what I'm doing. We're going out again this weekend so I'm assuming she likes me.

>>76559578
Don't do it man.
I fell for nofap meme, and now I don't want to fap or have my dick touched.
Instead I want to be fucked by BBC

>>76559480 (OP)
It makes me sad that this pic doesn’t make me horny.

>>76559761
I had a wet dream like 4 months ago but I do wake up with morning wood almost everyday the thing is that my dreams are not that strong to make me cum it’s weird but fapping it out is cucked, I’d rather fuck

>>76559777
Then you're having shitty sleep.

>>76559792
How can i improve it, it's been indeed shit in the last month. I do take magnesium glycinate

>>76559762
What is a hobby where you can meet girls and ask them out? I thought joining a hobby just to get a girlfriend is creepy.
I am too ugly for online dating btw.

>>76559799
You need to see what you're doing wrong
no wet dreams mean you're not going into deep sleep

>>76559804
Wet dreams are more closely associated with REM sleep (the stage where vivid dreaming happens), not deep sleep (slow-wave sleep). You can have excellent deep sleep without having a wet dream.

nofap is a meme

noporn is the way

>>76559800
>What is a hobby where you can meet girls and ask them out? I thought joining a hobby just to get a girlfriend is creepy.
It is. Get a hobby you like so that when you do find a girl willing to talk to you you have something you're interested in and can talk about. You don't need a hobby to meet women at, you need a hobby for yourself. An electric keyboard is a couple hundred bucks for a cheap one, you can learn to play piano. Or go to /ic/ and learn to draw for the price of a pencil and some paper.

Then when you're talking to a girl and she wants to know about you can say "yeah I've actually started playing piano lately, I just wanted to start doing something creative. I'm not very good but it's fun" and then you can keep the conversation going from there. It just has to be genuine.

>>76559805
why do you lie on the internet?
>>76559808
Agreeeeeed

>>76559811
My only hobbies are piano, gym, running and yoga. These are not really good for meeting girls as they are inherently antisocial.

>>76559813
ok coomer

>>76559811
>Then when you're talking to a girl
Where do you meet girls?

>>76559480 (OP)
>5 days
kek. You are just habituated to watching porn and fapping. Your brain is still conditioned. Once you lose the habit you don't even think about it. It's actually scary how easy it is to be completely celibate. So many men did it throughout history and the only reason we think it's hard is because of internet porn.

>>76559480 (OP)
Idk cause I fap and fuck my wife. If I don’t fap for a while my libido actually goes down.

>>76559714
yeah they're great to get your dick wet but when you're so pent up and horny that you think you're in love with them thats a problem. I definitely wanted a girlfriend bad though you've got a point. Im engaged now this was like 2-3 years ago

>>76559827
You don't meet girls at hobbies, don't worry about it. Hobbies make you a more interesting person.
Mine are gym, also piano, target shooting and Rugby.
>>76559831
It sucks but it seems like online is the most numerous option these days. It's worked for me. Either that or going out to bars/clubs with a group of friends and asking a girl to dance. If she says yes you dance with her a bit, and if you're feeling it then ask if you can buy her a drink. Then you talk, and if you both hit it off ask for her number and invite her on a date. Text her later the details, a good first one is some walkable neighborhood with little cafes so you can talk and get to know each other. Then you just go from there.

I'm not going to lie it fucking sucks and there's a lot of anxiety and you're going to get shot down a lot. But you only need to succeed once.

>>76559834
>It's actually scary how easy it is to be completely celibate
TRUTH NYKE

>>76559799
What other supps you take?

>>76559873
Multi, creatine, citruline (only before working out), vit d + k and boron

aaaah fuuu ahh i just lost it

>>76559667
The final level of nofap is being able to be immensely horny and still retain your standards

>>76559837
>but I did have breakfast this morning

>>76559761
Based retard

>>76559480 (OP)
your estrogen is to high
use zincpicolinate and apigenin
this will inbibit aromatase alot
thank me later

>>76559480 (OP)
is this why blacks are always on edge and chimping out at everyone? don't they have this cultural thing where they believe that seed is like the divine source of life and energy or whatever so they are on nofap and horny and impulsive all the time, that would explain a lot of things

anyway, as my father (happily married man with multiple kids, so he knows his shit allright) simply said to me during THAT talk: if you like really need it just go to the shower bust one out wash yourself and go on with your day
obsessing over nofap or fapping too much is retarded, anons itt are also correct: if you have time to fap and watch porn you simply have nothing else to do so find a hobby or a job to make yourself busy
besides your body self-regulates, ever heard about wet dreams?
noporn however is based, women irl don't look like 12/10 models and it fucks with your head in different way, not to mention the fact that most freaks like trannies are very likely to be gooners and porn addicts, however noporn is a dumb advice on 4chan where you stumble on a thread with naked bitches every 5 minutes because of people shitposting

>>76560093
your father busted one out with you on that toilet didnt he

>>76559808
Yep noporn is so much better. The way I see it is that nofap has considerable downsides that arguably outweigh the upsides, whereas noporn is basically all upsides besides “oh noo I can’t watch porn”. No wet dreams or night time horniness impacting your sleep. No requirement to completely suppress your libido. Plus to me fapping literally feels better and takes less time on no porn as well because you aren’t distracted by the porn or enticed to keep edging so you can keep watching or find the perfect thing to bust to or whatever. I respect nofap if you’re a monk or something but for most people I feel like they should just learn to fap away from their phone/computer, at least as a first step. It’s honestly pretty easy once you commit to it.

I know porn is bad for the brain, sure. But I always wonder, what should one do with the freedom he gets from abstaining from porn (potentially masturbation)? Like sure, if you are a kissless teenager and all you do is masturbate then stopping gooning, starting lifting, getting education and eventually pussy is a great goal. But what's after? What if you become an all out porn addict after you make it? What to strive for after? Maintaining what you have built till you die with occasional vanilla sex with someone who gets older rapidly compared to you? I don't know, anons. I think "back then" men had ways to relieve pent up sexual tension. Gay sex orgies in ancient Greece, then later on brothels, gentlemen clubs. Heck, because marriages were arranged nobody expected you to be the perfect lover, housewife, mother, best friend etcetc in one person, so it was common knowledge that people had side pieces. Men simply weren't meant to settle with a single partner. Despite the fact how liberated this age is sexually, it has never been more suffocating. You expect everyone role to be fulfilled by your partner and not allowed to outsource some roles to someone else. So what you do? Instead of meeting with real people and having real relationships you jack away your brain with porn to keep the family together. I swear it's better to be an alcoholic. At least you get social support for trying to escape. Now even admitting you want to be free of porn is frowned upon...

I wish someone would help me clear my head from these ideas, but so far I haven't found a good counter argument...

>>76559480 (OP)
Get a girlfriend and plap.

>>76559480 (OP)
No-fap has no benefits. Its is only a self-control test.

>>76559480 (OP)
>pic
Dang I reaally need some poon

I simply don't care and I live alone
I fap maybe 1-2 times a week, sometimes less

Nothing ever changed that so far
Not 750 Test
Not 500 Mast
Not 250 Tren
Not 50 Anavar
Not 10mg Cialis

My Libido didn't change at all lol

Sometimes I do feel lonely but it's super rare that I actually like someone else (yes a me problem I guess. It's how it is)

>>76559969
Nigga wtf are you talking about?

>>76559480 (OP)
I look like that

>>76560120
How do you get a girlfriend as an ugly incel NEET?

Wish I knew

>>76560295
disgusting

>>76559761
Fapping is self cucking and gay(literally playing with cock). Don't coom unless your fucking and you'll retain the huge amounts of life force spent on producing the goo of creation that is sperm.

>>76560337
Even spiritualist promote fapping.
No fap is the real self cucking

>>76559718
>Nofap literally started on 4chan
Except it didn't, it was from a satirical youtube video.

What if I just fap to hot chicks in bikinis, is that still no porn

>>76560348
In the orthodox teaching wet dreams are sometimes attack from the demons, in Christianity fapping is prohibited

>>76560443
I said spiritualism not religion.
The latter being an oppressor for freedom.

>>76560445
Being slave to your urges is not freedom, your semen was created for pro creation, not cumming in your socks

>>76560451
You're closed homo.

>>76560458
do not redeem saar

>>76560458
>You're closed homo.

>>76559480 (OP)
Nofap copers will do anything BUT talk to girls lel

>>76560113
>Instead of meeting with real people and having real relationships you jack away your brain with porn to keep the family together
just get side pussy? cheating is only personal if you make it personal

>>76560458
Even if I was I would never have sex with a man because I’m not a sodomite.

>>76560580
based homo of self control

>>76559480 (OP)
>consistently go to bed and wake up at the same time
>don't seek out lewd shit online
>get hobbies if you have none
>talk to women, even small talk will do
That's it. I haven't jerked off in like three months. Of course there's the daily wave of horniness but you just gotta ride it out, in my experience it transforms into actual physical vigor if you don't succumb to it in its base form

>>76560580
>he thinks anal is the only way to have sex with a man

>>76559611
Dude what. He’s not an alcoholic it’s just jerking off. Get a grip. Or don’t actually.