Thread 76583389

how do i learn about steroids? any books or something like that you can recommend?
im not talking about "bro"-tier resources about how you should do this and that, i actually want to get knowledge.

>>76583389 (OP)
reddit.com/r/steroids wiki is actually pretty good

There is no one source. 40 years agot there was a book called The Underground Steorids handbook or something, by Dan Duchaine. Its sciene is a little out of date but it might be helpful.

The More Plates More Dates you tube channel is actually pretty good Google his video on "The Anabolic Steroid Family Tree - How Different Steroids Impact Muscle Building & Performance" for an overview of Androgenic Anabolic Steroid Hormones.

Just so you know, "steroids" is a term used to describe a category of hormone, both natural and synthetic, based on the location of a carbon atom on their molecular structure. This includes most of the common Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Hormones.

PEDs or Performance Enhancing Drigs is a much larger category, which includes the steroids, but also other non-steroidal drugs like clenbuterol, HGH, arimidex, aetc, which are used to get lean or get big.

>>76583389 (OP)
Yes hang on

>>76583389 (OP)
https://annas-archive.org/md5/5210d74d448ed24b27abae464fd7aa94

>>76583701
Ask me how I know you're a zoomer idiot

>>76583663
Cringe

>>76583389 (OP)
Just learn how tolerance/getting high works with psychs/weed/alcohol, and alcohol will teach you how your liver processes shit as getting drunk is a function of liver toxicity.

You really should get to 3pl8sx1 bench bare minimum first and getting way too fat isnt a big deal because youll get gyno anyways.

Plates is a mong who knowz nothing about steroids. Vigourous Steve is better if you want a video. Best is self experimentation. Just buy loads and run different stacks over the rest of your life. Have fun. If you dont stop and do something you enjoy.

>>76583389 (OP)
read the fucking wiki.
And anything you read that says anything other than 500mg test for 16-20 weeks, throw it the garbage then go back and read the fucking wiki

>>76583732
you're natty and you dont even lift

What's the best case for the easiest post-cycle recovery, not necessarily best gains or overall best health profile? Anavar with HCG into a SERM? Which SERM is best?

I was always lurking the T nation forums and learning about cycles from boomers when I was like 12. I just know a lot of shit about roids due to this research happening in my formative years. Masteron is weird one though because it was hardly ever mentioned back in the day and now it’s everyone’s favorite roid. Seems like roiders are generally smarter than they used to be. Smaller doses and a lot more auxiliary drugs to address side effects. A lot more blood testing going on. Everyone back in the day used to have these insane cycles of like 7 different steroids lol I understand it though. The thought being if I am going to roid I might as well turn into the hulk. Now that TRT is everywhere, it doesn’t have to be so all or nothing with roids

>>76583389 (OP)
Op this is exactly what you want >>76583721
you can read all the other trash they listed here after that book

>>76584489
Blast and cruise.

>>76584549
Sorry. Other than blast and cruise. I mean what is going to habe the easiest recovery but still involve getting off.

>>76584489
>wants all the risks of taking steroids but not get the best gains
>asking about bitch oral-only cycles for his first blast
Just stay natty because its already clear you're not cut out for this

steroids are fucking over anyway. All the UGLs are out of primo and masteron, which are the only roids worth a fucking shit to add to testosterone. Just get on TRT like a good goy.

>>76584554
Fag fag fag tranny tranny tranny

>>76585166
ladies and germs the mental state of nattytrannys

>>76585180
You literally are on HRT tranny.

Are you trying to learn the pharmacology of them or what. Wikipedia ain't bad for that or sorting by most cited in google scholar. Todd lee on YouTube as well

>>76585216
you're projecting

>>76584594
masteron isn't anabolic and boomer tier
primo is weak and overpriced, you can use eq instead
get fucked nattycuck

>>76583389 (OP)
https://ugltalk.is/

forum for steroid users

>>76583389 (OP)
Wikipedia and Google Scholar+Sci-Hub
Or if you don't actually give a shit you can read the r/steroids wiki

>>76585356
thanks, mr dea agent

>>76584594
NPP and anavar?

>>76583389 (OP)
>ChatGPT
>Steroid source talk
>Youtube

>>76584594
plenty of UGL's have primo & mast right now- you must have shit sources

>>76585340
EQ blows dick- gains from mast blow it out of the water.

>>76586008
NPP makes your joints feel amazing and you'll put on a bit of size/fullness from water retention.
Keep your diet in check while running it, it's easy to get moon face on NPP if diet isn't dialed in.
Not the best compound for aesthetics but it serves a purpose

>>76586014
How much can you run without needing caber? I only use p5p.
200 maybe 300mg?

>>76583389 (OP)
Unironically watch More Plates More Dates videos from 5 years ago he has a lot of good videos on the studies of these compounds.

>>76586012
EQ is incredible for E2 control for me, also makes eating easier. I love it. Never tried mast or primo though.

>>76586010
I wouldn't trust any that do. The raws are not being produced in china, odds of any of those you see for sell being fake is high. More than likely you are just buying tren.

>>76586621
>just turn your blood into a syrup bro

>>76583389 (OP)
Trannylovers. Seriously. Look up how females are treated when they want to larp as men. They get steroids to give them a "male" buid, and unlike bodybuilding broscience, effects, both desired and undesired, are statistically tracked.
Personally though, I'd stay away from steroids unless you can get them legally (which is easier than you think in many places - just gotta get a doc to sign that you've got "chronically low testosterone levels" and are suffering psychological effects from it). on the less-than-legal market, just as with drugs, you never know what you get. Might be exactly what you ordered, or plastic waste from china, packaged to look just like the real thing.

>>76586641
49% hematocrit, not my problem
Just drink water, take fish oil, and do cardio.

>>76586655
Nattycuck cope used to be amusing, but I'm getting sick of it. It is honestly just so disgusting to read now. Just admit you're too stupid and/or scared to do things the faster, smarter, and superior way.

>>76583389 (OP)
Books
Pic related is the best

>>76586666
dont listen to satans lies. Roids have a shitload of drawbacks and only a select group of people should be acting as DIY endocrinologists

>>76586666
natty muscle is superior because it doesn't rely on constant injections to maintain
faster and more is the only real benefit of roids

>>76586686
FUCK I didn't realize the 11th edition covered sarms thank you anon

>>76586690
That's fine but you'd have to start pretty early to get the really good results
If you didn't you have to catch up, but wisely, without blowing yourself up and your natural production

>>76586687
nattycuck delirium literally bends reality from making based quads of truth into le semitic fairytale bad man number cope

>>76586691
Why do you want sarm info kek

>>76586621
I always fuck up with EQ, I end up crashing my E. I think I was doing a 1:1 ratio test/eq ended up super dry and tearing my hip adductor.
I was also cutting very hard while on it so it made me super fucking miserable because I was insanely hungry lol. The vascularity from it was unmatched tho I will say.

>>76586967
Because it's all I need and I want to protect my heart
Apparently a few of the popular ones are comparable to Anavar in results

>>76584552
There is no getting off. Once you're on you're on forever. Sorry kid. Just how it always turns out.

>>76584552
>>76588524
if you want to do PCT make it a permanent thing otherwise just blast and cruise with hCG

>>76583721
Anabolics grow, catabolics shrink

>>76586014
Nandrolone is the GOAT for me, like injecting Chad blood with zero negative side effects. I'm going to cruise on as much as I can without hurting my heart forever.

>>76583389 (OP)
Just look at before and afters. As you can see, this man was successful in gaining mass.

>>76588611
before
just test, primo maybe some var

after
That's the tren barrier once you go there, you can't go back

>>76588611
before and afters are cherry picked photos and they usually lie about the timeline, use trick camera angles, lighting etc in order to get you to buy something. And now they lie about how much drugs they're taking.
How do you not fucking know this? This has been going on in tv commercials and magzine ads for 50 years before the fucking internet.
Gullible zoomer retard.

>>76583389 (OP)
Learn chemistry or something nigga you don’t have to take Roids unless your FFMI is really shit lol

>>76588571
Yeh
Quick what is androgenic

>>76588597
Love NPP as well- I typically cruise on it and haven't had issues with my bloods.
200/test
150/npp

I run it higher when I blast.

>>76589802
>haven't had issues with my bloods

The problem is that it deforms your heart over time and hardens your blood vessels unless you take the right stuff with it - look up the study that used enalapril.

>>76583389 (OP)
Only watch tiktoks, reels, and shorts for is 3-5 hours a week and then claim everyone is on drugs. >>76585412 is about the best advice in the thread.

Steroids arent complicated. You want size and strength as safely as possible?
Do my cycle - no injections.
Dinabol tablet (blue hearts 10mg) x 2 a day for 3 months
Nolvadex for 2 weeks after.
Thats it. Thats the cycle.
I was fat as fuck but strong and this simple cycle revealed what was underneath.
>pic related
Stats: 6’4 215lbs
Its not competition tier but made me strong and shed the fat which was my goal altogether.

>>76590114
lol this is so gay. You were willing to order illegal drugs with crypto and give them your full name and address and take said unknown chemicals into your body... But pinning is too scary lmao.

>>76590150
I bought the roids from my local pharmacy, knew a corrupt guy that worked there.
I dont care for pinning, imo there’s no difference between a heroin shooter and a pinner. Orals got the job done for me, thats all that matters.

>>76588597
I also love Nanbdrolone. Feels great and growth is good., But I think it causes heart growth AND makes you stupid. I feel dumber having done a medium dose cruise with it for a year.

>>76590150
>>76590173
Guy did dianabol for 3 months and is only 215 at 6'4 lol wtf is wrong with these retards today?
Just pin and diet right while you're on cycle or actually do an oral cycle of 50mg dianabol +25mg anavar a day. Take clomid and nolva both for pct because without stimulating your pituitary via clomid or enclomiphene afterwards youre just tanking your shit and losing gains that you made.
If you're also doing shit like dianabol then you want to maximize the weight gain because of how much extra strength and recovery you get so you need to eat like 4k calories a day minimum with 300g protein.

>>76590735
>medium dose cruise

How much is that and what supplements were you taking?

>>76590831
Bitch I was 255 lbs I used my cycle to cut learn to read newfag

>>76590872
>do you want strength and size?
>noooo I was cutting thougghhh
Choose one faggot

>>76590831
Clomid is an anti estrogen HcG stimulates your pituitary

>>76590991
Clomid helps your test come back quicker in response to the lutenizing hormone you secrete because test lags even though LH is quicker to recover, HcG mimics LH which gives you more of it to signal your balls to produce testosterone
Ideally you'd run HCG and clomid together after every cycle

>>76591016
Luteinizing

>>76590831
Posts like this are why you should read Anabolics first and not the rest of the garbage in this thread

Bump

>>76590831
Oh yeah
>Enclomifene (INNTooltip International Nonproprietary Name), or enclomiphene (USANTooltip United States Adopted Name), a nonsteroidal selective estrogen receptor modulator of the triphenylethylene group, acts by antagonizing the estrogen receptor (ER) in the pituitary gland, which reduces negative feedback by estrogen on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, thereby increasing gonadotropin secretion and hence gonadal production of testosterone.[3] It is one of the two stereoisomers of
What I was doing in this case is just throwing out to see what I know and now I'm using this as a way to both cement my knowledge and learn more
4chan is like my personal notepad but with actual people to interact with

>>76591935
But it still wasn't the way you meant when you said it stimulates the pituitary