Thread 76585374

you dyels convinced me that barbell compound lifts were the the be-all, end-all of weightlifting but turns out it's all about isolation and legthen-biased lifts with high intensity ? wtf. it's all becoming clear now why the actual jacked guys at the gym are doing mostly machines and cables, meanwhile the reddit nerds are doing DLs and bench but are still small.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SKtJZXV2LU

>>76585374 (OP)
So from what i see the guy trained his compounds but had twig arms. Then he didn't have any isolations in his program. Which you should on top of the compounds. Two months in i already put in a tricep and bicep exercise.

Obviously the first year a minimalist routine is the best approach to build some strength.

>>76585374 (OP)
Your tendon strength wont progress without freeweights and your aesthetic wont flow as much maining machines unless ofc you need more hypertrophy.

>>76585374 (OP)
Then why the fuck do freeweights grow biceps so easily but tris delts chest need machines? Forearms legs abs all fine with freeweights. I dont even train neck and when i flex i look like fuckin dracula from berserker flexed this shit is fucking retarded.

>>76585520
Thats it im getting a second i beam and pulley to make my own pec fly/chest press machine and some kind of back support god knows how the fuck im gonna get that shit bolted to the garage.

So if you're at intermediate+ level then you need a bunch of isolation if you chase hypertrophy.
That's not really revolutionary, is it?
Do a full body strength routine with a few accessories and then switch to a bb routine. That's been the recommendation for at least 15 years.

>>76585567
>intermediate+
uhh 225 bench for 20 and 600+ dead is quite good numbers

>>76585374 (OP)
Fascinating, post physique

>>76585586
I mean he is implying that a minimal compound routine can give you ridiculous strength numbers.

>>76585374 (OP)

im a machine advocate but those who truly use machines well come from free-weight background. for ex, kids who start learning fly don't know how to use pec dec fly properly, but those who come from dumbbell fly surely do.

>>76585595
now you
btw this is me, not the guy in the video. just look up Basement Bodybuilding and look at the thumbnails, the guy is massive

>>76585567

>Do a full body strength routine with a few accessories and then switch to a bb routine

No, just go straight to being

>>76585520
Machines grow biceps fine too. Use the prime preacher curls and get back to me

>>76585504

>Obviously the first year a minimalist routine is the best approach to build some strength.

Retard. Wrong. Nothing worse than a noob doing highly technical (to them) lifts when you can just actually spam machines to failure and actually grow

>>76585654
No he is implying that a minimal compound routine doesn't give the body to match the numbers. He looked ok but not for the numbers he has. He could look like that doing virtually any routine consistently. His body didnt reallt look good until dropping the minimalist routine.

>>76585374 (OP)
Wow another boring ass youtube fitness "influencer" who's just a contrarian retard on a crusade against tried and tested methods that just so happen to be backed by sience but not by "noblenatty" faggot consensus!
You should TOTALLY listen to what he has to say I bet it's not clouded by the fact that muscle building is an incredibly slow process no matter how you train and it's really just him adding one or two meme exercises that EXPLODED his gains and not the fact that he has several years of additional training!

>>76587154
This is a Wendy's sir

>>76587154
did you watch the video ? he is not selling that something works magically fast, his point is that dedicating years of training to achieving elite performance in the powerlifting lifts will only result in a okay-ish physique.

>>76585374 (OP)
>it's all about isolation and legthen-biased lifts with high intensity
definitel - ALL OF IT
>>76586032
here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=preacher+curl+biceps+tear
50k examples of that :D
>>76589009

this shmuck couldn't look softer bot-bottom
> why u call me bot-bottom human
u keep presenting ur ashole to me bot :D
>>76589098
not interested

>>76589124
gotta do the dips on rings
ring dips are like a cable machine

>>76589133
u know bot i find myself climbing heavy machinery a lot and i do wind up in dip position a lot and i feel very strong at it and capable
dip isometric hold at the very top of motion with slight bend in elbows might be quite ok, no not on rings, on sth very stable why not :D

>>76589172
dip isometric hold at top would be no dip my guy

>>76586479
I think he gives good advice and has posted the body to back up his claims

>>76589172
Please fuck off with your isometrics and kys asap
Nobody even reads your spam

>>76586479
>no timestamp
probably a stolen reddit picture

>>76585567
"bunch of isolations" aka 2-3 sets of curls and 2-3 sets of lateral raises a wekk? wow that completely changes the game.

>>76589172
This dude posts in every single kekke thread and pretty much only his threads. Really makes you think.

>>76589172
I don't believe you go outdoors. Post a single timestamped picture outside of a building. Anything. A close up picture of some grass or dirt (with a timestamp) will do. I will never shit talk you again if you do that.

>>76589198
yes it would be just no-nonsense isometric hold botardo retardo :D
problem? dip supported scapular circles for example - not a bad idea :D

mine >>76589124

oh u got 2 more in as i was trying to find scapular circles vid - can't find it :D
>>76589215
>>76589225
and that's why u did that on my picture bot? interesting, but it doesn't make sense unless u're lying bitch bot gpt

What are the best cable movements to spam assuming I’m a big three fag

>>76589232
bot schizo refuses to respond to this. lmao

>>76585374 (OP)
absolute moronic commentary. He doesn't mention volume once. He talks about his numbers, his reps...its all a pointless comparison.
If you do sufficient volume with compounds with equal number of sets as your "body building hypertrophy split" and you're not just shooting for singles, you will be bigger, faster.
Don't waste 45 minutes every workout doing isolation memes. Use 2 accessories and spend your time going heavy on high volume.

compound lifts are good because they train lots of muscle groups quickly

compound exercises are for people with lives. If you want to spend 2-3 hours in the gym every day with isolations / machines, then go ahead and do it and be bigger.

>>76589238
Your advice is irrelevant unless you post body faggot
Please kys afterwards

Who is this clown? I just opened his channel and he's commenting on how he thinks this IG fitness retard is natural LMAO

>>76589223
>he thinks my photo is stolen
thanks buddy appreciate the compliment.

>>76586514
1. spam machines
2. grow specific muscles
3. help a neighbor move a sofa. confident because big numbers on the machine mean big strength!
4. injure back instantly because the big muscles are without any support

>>76589728
I agree with you but compounds don't train some muscles, such as lateral deltoids.
Also, you can add only one set of curls and tricep extensions.

>>76585374 (OP)
Who cares about looking big kek its about being strong….. just get roids fag

>>76591112
Is this a deranged fantasy you jerk your weiner too chubby tits?

>>76591094
Dyel anons always say that so they dont have to post body and can pretend they arent conceding by failing to post body.

>>76591133
this is the universal wisdom that every single person guiding newbies away from machines will give you, and it's what you have to reply to if you're going to say anything else.
close cousin of "roiders experience snap city because the muscles and weights grow so fast that supporting tissue can't keep up"

>>76586514
>when you can just actually spam machines to failure and actually grow
We used to do that over a decade ago with a group of friends. Doing nothing but machines. Once you go do free-weights afterwards you notice how weak you actually still are. But yeah you do get muscles from it.

>>76591208
it goes both ways, if all you do are barbell lifts, once you switch to machines that force you to be extremely strict, you realise your 200 lbs barbell row amounts to fuck all for a strict biceps curl and you have to use newbie weights to do it right

>>76591265
which is why the common wisdom isn't "fuck machines, machines are useless" but "save machines for later"

>>76587154
How are isolations not tried and tested? What a way to own yourself.

>>76585374 (OP)
Should get advice from actual professionals, not entertainers. Or just read like 2-3 books and be done with it.

>>76591203
I couldn't hear you, too fat to listen too

>>76591208
>Be me
>Weak with big muscles

Sounds good. Don't need to heem my low back to have a nice physique. Based

>>76589238
if you do a dip and don't dip you are in fact....wait for it...
....wait for it...
Not doing a dip at all.

>>76591383
If you only lift for looks you are fake and faggot. You should life for strength, health, looks.

>>76585504
>Obviously the first year a minimalist routine is the best approach to build some strength.
I can tell you’re a retarded ESL faggot from your post but no, that’s not obvious at all.

>>76591521
But you get stronger on machines too. I can probably bench and squat more than you and can definitely deadlift more (tall long arms starter pack)
Also I'm not poor so I don't work manual labor

>you dyels convinced me that barbell compound lifts were the the be-all, end-all of weightlifting
They kinda are. I mean machines and isolations can work but the ones that do are arguably similar to barbell compounds. The trick isn't doing gay shit. It's doing more than 3 lifts. Did you even watch the video? His argument is that you need more than 3 barbell compounds, not something other than them.

>>76591407
>Not doing a dip at all.
:D i like NOT doing the movement bot
it allows for continuous time under tension on muscle belly as i hold the load :D
>>76589274
>>76589381

>>76593057
>His argument is that you need more than 3 barbell compounds, not something other than them.

Not really, his argument was that pushing for more strength and to be stronger on SBD didn't get his physique that much better

Instead, it was only when he swapped out SBD for more stable lifts and also trained his other previously "accessory" lifts with the same intensity he trained with SBD that he saw greater results

>>76593129
it's an d clown kids on roods blabbering nonsense bot-bottom

>>76593092
>>76593087
>complete legs, the legs u want:
>>>76585460

>>76593146
meds

>>76593146
OP posted body and we're entertaining his ideas. You didn't and won't and can fuck off.

>>76593092
your mom holds the load

Dumbbell compounds are better than barbell.

>>76589881
He also said that nigger with the giant arms in Nippard's last video looked natural. It's amazing how all these "noble natty" types have 180'd recently and are even saying steroids aren't that bad.

>>76593129
BB is a machine bro and that's fine. There's also tons of very elite naturals who are big into free weights. I do think heavy free weight compound lifts confer their own advantage and so starting of with getting strong on them is the most efficient way. Now there's clearly limited returns on investment as you push the limits of strength and start to specialize in SBD and thats where the trouble is. Pushing isolations with the same intensity as compounds is only beneficial though.
>>76594131
The noble natty community has always been about high natural standards. No body thinks they are natural because of personality and training age but if you think you cannot look like that natty ever you are just mistaken.

>>76594173
> but if you think you cannot look like that natty ever you are just mistaken.

Post your natty body

>>76585374 (OP)
what machines did Steve Reeves and Reg Park and all Silver Era lifters use again?