Thread 76585451

When did you realise that CICO is bullshit?

>>76585451 (OP)
here's the study btw
https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2007.01867.x
exercise outside work is self-reported so the entire study is worthless

Argue with kekke bait thread

>>76585451 (OP)
Dont reply to shit threads like this.

>>76585464
How does self-reported outside of study explain the impact of placebo effect?

>>76585451 (OP)
>When did you realise that CICO is bullshit?
Like everyone else: When I tried it for real with an autism scale and autism calorie charts. Before that, I could lie to myself and say "Well, I am surely making amistake somewhere, oh well, must be me, it's thermodynamics after all" like so many people here do.

Ofc, you may be smarter than me and, long before trying it, wonder how different plants and meats from different soils and cows and climates could have the absolute same caloric value. Or maybe you're good enough at calculating in your head to see at one glance that 100% of the CICO weight loss stories don't add up math wise. Or maybe you are genius level IQ and go by the old and true rule "the government AND the internet says X, so X must be wrong" to avoid the whole thing entirely.

But for me, I never questioned any of that, I just didn't care enough, didn't do any research and just took everything at face value. So I had to make the mistakes myself like the idiot I am.

>>76585451 (OP)
what a shit article and shit thread lmao

put down the fork, fatty

>>76585783
This. Cico let me down when I most needed it, but it was nothing more than a mirage. Now it's just me and my mobility scooter, riding through the desert, praying for salvation, a prophet, a promise, a McDonald's.

>>76585451 (OP)
>>76585464
I realized it when this guy ate cookies and burned calories

>>76585451 (OP)
I just want to preempt this thread to remind everybody that every single person who denies CICO will refuse to post their body, as is the time-honored tradition of people making this claim.

>>76585861
This is how people with eating disorders talk.

>>76585846
>>76585783
You can always tell when OP is replying to himself because these comments always sound like an ad.

>>76585864
Well yeah, they're fat because they tried CICO and CICO didn't work, duh. That's the point of this thread.

>>76585873
The layered irony of this post is hilarious.

>>76585846
>>76585783
>>76585861
>>76585873
op samefagging

>>76585451 (OP)
Protip: That's why fad diets and such seem to work in the beginning. Placebo effect.

>>76585876
You are intellectualy unable to grasp what I'm saying and that's not ok pajeet.

>>76585885
You are being intellectually dishonest by pretending not to get the point, and that's okay. Most people can't accept defeat in conversations that they start online when they learn that they have no evidence to back up their claims and instead pivot to add hominem attacks. I hope you can learn to be less combative and not treat every interaction you have online as if it's some kind of combat sport. Feel free to post your body, by the way, which you won't do, which loops back around to proven my original post.

>>76585889
>still not getting it
It would be more interesting to have successful CiCOfags post body.

>>76585899
>no body posted
Didn't even bother reading your post. The discussion is over. Have a great day.

>>76585878
That'd be funny i guess but no I just think the cookie fag is hilarious

>>76585750
>How does self-reported outside of study explain the impact of placebo effect?


Because some might have done exercise on the side or ate more health conciously because the *thought* of health came into their mind etc and they subconciously did more healthy things and didn't report it, ie they self reported that they did nothing on the side, without any researcher having actual data on that.

>>76585451 (OP)
CICO is not bullshit, it's the law of thermodynamics. At the same exact time, counting calories and tracking macros and estimating your caloric expenditure is COMPLETE bullshit for neurotic freaks who have nothing better to do but waste their mental energy filling out fuckin Excel spreadsheets or plugging their meals into an app, like holy shit, there is no art in living that way, that's just mental fuckin slavery. And I know this because I built my dream physique without counting calories or "calculating my TDEE" like some autistic sperg lmfao.
>>76585861
The coconut oil thing is kind of compelling desu. Ray Peat talked about it. I started adding coconut oil to my coffee, like 2 tbsps a day, for a couple weeks, and I feel like I got slightly more diced up without changing anything else, felt like my metabolism ran slightly hotter. But even if it moves the needle somewhat, it can definitely be taken out of context by fatties who don't want to actually change their diet or exercise habits lol

>>76585982
>it's the law of thermodynamics
body is not a closed system
you know no laws of thermodynamics
shut up

Cico niggas be like

>the only way to get people out of this stadium is to have fewer people enter than exit it
>”how do we do that?”
>it’s simple, you just let more people exit than enter
>”but what is the most efficient way to facilitate this process?”
>it doesn’t matter, all that matters is that less people come in than go out
>”surely there’s some sort of planning or logistical strategy we can use to facilitate the outflow of people while preventing congestion and long lines?”
>shut the fuck up, stop with your meme crowd management strategies, we just need to get more people out than are coming in. Everything else is secondary
>”but how do we do this?”
>dude the ONLY way to empty this stadium is for more people to leave than enter, do you not understand the basic rules of thermodynamics?

>>76585879
But how does it work on a conceptual level? Does it mean we can just tell our body to burn more calories?

>>76585914
That’s an interesting theory, however, I am not sure how it could be falsified

We need containment board for keto schizo outside of/fat/

>>76586347
>keto schizo
Is Moxyte still here?

>>76586034
god damn wackadoodle

>we got people in the stadium
>we want fewer people in the stadium
>we let out more than we let in for a while
>look at that, we got fewer people in the stadium

>>76586389
Then people realise that once they leave the stadium, they can't get back in. So they wont be leaving.

>>76586389
no no that won't work. We need to only let in certain people, only good people. In fact its better to increase demand trough heavy advertising so even more good people show up.

>>76586034
Put the fucking fork down. Problem solved. See? I didn't need a dozen lines of greentext to do that.

man it's a good thing calories aren't people and can't choose to stay or leave or whatever, that would be ridiculous!

>>76585451 (OP)
OP is a NEET faggot. Gets off on word vomiting the same shit onto the board day after day.

>>76585872
>>76585878
Reading comprehension is at an all-time low here, huh.

>>76585899
You mean every successful transformation ever?

>>76586034
How many times are you just going to endlessly repeat this Gary Taub's talking point almost word for word. Except replacing the word theater with stadium.

>>76585451 (OP)
At this point I'm convinced cico deniers have a case of the sour grapes. I followed cico and I'm slimmer than 85% of this board

>>76586906
To be fair, the average person is slimmer than like 90% of this board. People with radical and wacko opinions on nutrition have those opinions because they've bought into fad diets and the only reason you would buy into a fad diet is if you were obese.

How comes no one so far was able to refute the results of the study in OP?

>>76587027
The results are if your job is physical at all your boss now thinks you ought to be thankful for him giving you free fitness opportunities and instead of raises he's paying a consulting group to design workshop to teach you how thankful you should be.

>>76587027
>be stressed that job interferes with health
>learn job does not interfere with health
>stress lowers
>stress is independently proven to lead to weight gain
I won't go into any of the biomechanics since you seem to be below even high school bio level, but you can google it yourself if you care.

>>76585451 (OP)
> 2 pound (900 gram) difference
LOL, there's a bigger weight difference between my morning shits than this, you can literally drink water throughout the day and be 2lbs heavier by the evening

>>76587027
Nobody here has the attention span to read all that

>>76585451 (OP)
After a donkey kicked me in the head

>>76586948
I want to agree with you, but your first sentence is complete bullshi

>>76587105
Think about all the unreasonable nutritional advice that you hear on this board.
Think about how many times anybody has backed up anything that they said with a body shot and time stamp.
Think about the foods that autistic people eat and the general population of an anime website like 4chan.

The reason you want to agree with me is because I'm not wrong.

>>76585451 (OP)
When I saw the pictures of fat people from the holocaust
Calorie abundance isnt why pic related is fat either, its white supremacy, colonialism, and incels.

>>76585451 (OP)
Did somebody skip adding a pig out sesh to their calorie tracker again? Feeling some shame OP?

>>76585451 (OP)
Never, because it isn't. I used CICO to bulk and cut 5+ times.

>>76586029
>you know no laws of thermodynamics

says the ESL retard who doesn't realize it applies to open systems

>>76586034
In this analogy, an anti-CICOer would be someone who denies the existence of counting

>>76586138
The show Secret Eaters can manage to figure this out, but scientists are at a loss

>>76587278
>>76585982
Normal people who aren't addicted to goyslop don't need to autistically measure out everything they eat.

People in tribes do not count calories.
Third-worlders do not measure the g's of fat and protein in their food.
Skinny 80 year olds aren't minmaxxing fat and protein ratios.
Astronauts aren't measuring their chicken breasts by gram.
Warriors from 1,000 years ago did not count the calories of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats.
They eat until full.
Then live their lives.
Only piggies with brain damage or people severely addicted to goyslop need to count calories (to be a normal healthy weight)

>>76586419
This nigga went from an analogy to Calories being actual people like Osmosis Jones

>>76587027
How come not one of these threads so far have been able to disprove thermodynamics?

>>76587027
Because its a bad study
They lost 2 pounds over 1 month? Who cares
yes this can easily be attributed to placebo

>>76585864
>>76587027
>>76587056
>>76587412
>>76587405
>placebo effect modifies the "CO" part of CICO
>CICO thermodynamics ha science I'm smarter than you kiddo!!!!!
>track your CI
>now track your CO by measuring placebo effects, testosterone, cortisol, adrenaline, brain, mood
>TRACK. YOUR. CICO.

>>76587453
Not sure why you cited me in a new response. I didn't deny any of that.

>>76587384
Astronauts are though. All their good is calibrated and portioned and they are fed specific diets to prevent certain space related illnesses.

>>76585861
I love that the internet is the gathering of all the village idiots and they can make their own retarded forums (unironically lol)

>>76585451 (OP)
Yeah a bunch of beaneritas aren't going to be healthy regardless, their bodies are designed to die at 30 max.

>>76587453
You don't need to model the collision of every atom in the air to design or fly a plane and you don't need to worry about all that bullshit to lose weight. Eat less. Not losing? Eat even less. You will not reach zero Calories without losing weight, because YES thermodynamics.

>>76587453
>>76588071

You're essentially saying it's impossible to throw a ball to first base because tidal forces and the coriolis effect exist, and not just gravity and biomechanics.

>>76587164
Sure, but the average person is a fatass already. Nutritional dogma is just flavor of the decade that simply gives idiots to go ooga booga on eachother sinve everyone hates religion and nationalism nos

>>76588691
I guess it depends on where you live. I don't see very many fat people. Maybe like 20% of the people I run into when I'm out shopping or in public. I suppose if you live in a place with a lot of minorities, then you could probably say that the average person is overweight, but where I live it's mostly white people.

>>76588071
>You don't need to do the whole CICO thing, just eyeball it
>The reason you're not losing weight is you're eyeballing everything
/fit/ is so silly sometimes.

>>76589034
You're on a board where people regularly say that spinach is toxic and that you should shine a red light heat lamp on your balls to boost your test.

>>76587664
Exactly. It makes it easier for the rest of us.

>>76589038
>spinach is toxic
it is

>you should shine a red light heat lamp on your balls to boost your test
this is just retarded, nice strawman bro

>>76589026
No, you just live in Colorado.

>>76589593
That's not how you use the term straw man.

>>76589678
Actually, I live in New Jersey. It's funny because I totally pulled the percentage just sort of out of a feeling I had but it turns out that I'm right on the money.

>>76589034
Did I say to eyeball? How would you determine "less" without measuring, retard? If you're just making guesses that's your own fault

>>76589034
>>76599725
It's like being incapable of filling a glass of water because you don't know its exact size or whether the glasses in the set vary slightly, and can't measure the flow rate when you pour or the rate of evaporation. Don't act like it's impossible, you're just a retard (or troll I guess)

>>76589601
You can measure the energy change of matter incredibly easily as an at home thermodynamics experiment
children do it
why would you admit to being more stupid than a child?

>>76589034
>>76590725
It's like being incapable of filling a glass of water because you don't know its exact size or whether the glasses in the set vary slightly, and can't measure the flow rate when you pour or the rate of evaporation. Don't act like it's impossible, you're just a retard

>>76587453
>Estimate your CO with a couple stats and a generalised online calculator
>refine better by actually watching weight and counting calories
>adjust "best guess" first model to fit observations
>you now know your ~CO
>adjust CI to reflect goals
Nobody is telling you to measure the calories used raising your arm 0.37m every time you move. I can tell you're fat because you clearly don't know how the CI or CO work, feel free to prove me wrong and post body though.

>>76590725
>No, you can't just cut a potato in half and only eat one half instead of the whole thing. You need to measure and weigh it.

>>76591060
A normal person can do that, but not the retard who's complaining about getting fat from eyeballing.
>>76589034
I'm just gonna assume that was you as well and you're trolling (and probably OP). Have fun wasting people's time

>>76585914
This seems the most likely explanation. One other alternative I can think of is that being told "you are doing good" and having posters reminding them of it lowered their stress hormones.

>>76585451 (OP)
I realized it years ago.

CICO has been one of the most harmful lies in human history.

>>76591626
Your mistake is to appeal to cico cultists with facts and logic. Instead, think of them as chimps or baboons

>>76591626
>CI doesn't impact weight gain, CO does!
>that means I can't do ANYTHING about my CI!
Except for the hundreds of millions of people who ate less and lost weight, weird how that happens.

>>76591626
It's almost like your diet influences CO

>>76585464
>tell people you are going to weigh them in the future and check their blood pressure in the future to be part of a study
>they become more healthy in order to look good on the study

Seriously though when can we stop calling this garbage science. I am low IQ and see through it all instantly how does a scientist not understand what I do

>>76591663
>>76591666
Read the image in the post you are replying to.

>>76591692
ok, I did. >>76591663

>>76591699
You read that two different groups were eating identical calories, one was fat and the other one lean, the only difference being food texture, and you still think eating less is how to solve obesity?

I'm genuinely surprised by your stupidity.

Obviously the correct answer is to change the type of food to beneficially alter hormones. In the case of that study it was food texture.

>>76586034
2000 calories of twinkies and 2000 calories of meat are the same, ketoschizo

>>76585451 (OP)
Most foods are bioactive.
Some modulate your CI.
Some modulate your CO.
Calories are only a tiny sliver of nutrition information.
Shrimple as.

>>76585451 (OP)
When I see cicofags keep rebounding to their starting weight.

>>76591731
You're retarded.

>>76591626
stop samefagging, OP

>>76591725
>CO affects your CICO so you have to alter the CO
Believe it or not, nobody is arguing food doesn't affect the CI and the CO. When people say "eat less" it's already assumed they should eat a balanced and varied diet. That's how I know you're fat, because you can't comprehend that normal people's baseline is a decent diet.
It's also trivially obvious that increasing the surface area of a solid involved in a chemical reaction increases it's reaction rate. That's high school chemistry. That's how I know you're stupid, because you don't understand simple concepts taught to children.

>>76591626
There is no hormone that can create mass/energy from nothing. Eat less, retard

>>76591626
>making food more bio available increases the available calories
>Increasing CI > CO increases weight
>TAKE THAT CICOTARDS
kek

>>76591725
If food texture makes Calories more bioavailable, you eat less of it than before. Just like you get a smaller serving of cake than broccoli for the same Calories. So yes, the answer is still eat less, retard

>>76591900
When people say "eat less" they are parroting sugar industry marketing. It's totally braindead and it doesn't lead to weight loss. Eating less of the same fattening foods which caused your obesity just lowers your metabolism.

>>76591932
>he's too fat to even comprehend the idea that normal people eat normal food
>he's too fat to even comprehend the idea of eating normal food
>it has to be muh big sugar's fault!
top fucking kek

>>76591910
Eating less doesn't work. Body composition is determined by hormones.

>>76591917
The same amount of "calories" were absorbed between the fat and lean groups. They burned the feces to test how many "calories" remained.

The powdered food stimulated obesogenic hormones. That's why the group eating powdered food got fat.

>>76591932
It's obviously better to eat a healthy diet than less of a shit one. No one is arguing against that, just against idiots trying to disprove the laws of physics

>>76591938
Normal people are fat. Eating less of the food that made them fat will lead to lowered metabolism, not sustained weight loss.

The "eat less" meme was spread by the sugar industry as a scheme to prevent people from cutting sugar out of their diet.

Funny how OP will never post body because they are fat and mad lel

>>76591953
>Normal people are fat.
no, fat people are fat. normal people are normal. thanks for confirming you're a fatass, you're not normal though.

>>76591951
CICO is not a law of physics. "Physics" is the motte in the motte-and-bailey fallacy used to promote the eat less move more hoax.

When you go into a sauna you are absorbing heat calories but not gaining any body fat. The laws of physics don't cause obesity. Poor nutrition causes obesity.

>>76591961
Why do you want normal people to eat less if they aren't fat?

>>76591965
>When you go into a sauna you are absorbing heat calories but not gaining any body fat
calories =/= Calories thoughbeit

>>76591972
Weird how nobody said that though, I said normal people tell you (fatass) to eat less assuming you'll eat like a normal person (not a fatass). It's incredibly telling that you lack the critical thinking skills to read and comprehend even simple, 1 paragraph replies. Has the fat has gotten to your brain and ruined your ability to think, or you were just this retarded from the beginning?

>>76591944
It still takes energy to create fat mass. If one absorbs the same amount of Calories and ends up fatter, then it needs less. CO is part of CICO for a reason.

>>76591965
A part of CO is thermoregulation, which is indeed impacted by the sauna. You not understanding physics does not disprove it

>>76591965
>When you go into a sauna you are absorbing heat calories but not gaining any body fat.
No, but you are burning fewer calories because your metabolism does not need to produce as much heat.

>>76591944
>body composition is determined by hormones

cope, fatass

>>76591977
Eat less is bad advice.

Eat different food is correct advice.

The bad advice (eat less) is a meme spread by the sugar industry to stop people from removing sugar from their diet.

>>76591997
How much body fat will I gain after a half hour in the sauna?

>>76592066
You are in the anti-CICO thread. No one is arguing for a sugar diet.

Do you agree with
>eating less
sugar?

>>76591978
Curing obesity requires eating different food.

Eating less while continuing to eat food which stimulates fattening hormones causes lowered metabolism and weight regain.

>>76592066
>Eat less is bad advice.
No it isn't
>Eat different food is correct advice.
It's implied advice
>The bad advice (eat less) is a meme spread by the sugar industry to stop people from removing sugar from their diet.
Except for the hundreds of millions of humans alive before corpos did advertising who ate less and lost weight. It's not big sugar's fault you're fat, it's your fault.

>>76592077
Stop eating sugar and swap it out for equal or more calories of protein.

There is no need to eat less as measured by the calorie measurement. The calorie measurement doesn't measure obesogenicity.

cico makes sense tho

>>76592082
Eating less doesn't work. Eating different food does work.

The "eat less" advice is specifically given to prevent people from changing the type of food they eat. It is intended to keep people eating sugar.

>>76592090
Yeah I believed it when I was a child. It makes perfect sense to people whose brains aren't developed. It seems so simple. Like your body is a kitchen sink and calories are water. Just stop filling the kitchen sink.

Unfortunately it isn't true. The calorie measurement has nothing to do with obesity. Obesity is hormonal.

>>76592071
You are more likely to lose than gain, but such a miniscule amount that you're a retard for trying to use it as a gotcha.

The vast majority of the energy your body uses is your basal metabolic rate. You burn this no matter what, even if you're in a coma, just to stay alive.

You can cope that losing weight is impossible because of all these esoteric ways CI or CO may vary slightly, but physics is still a fact.

Eat less, fatass.

>>76592111
Losing weight is super easy once you understand that it is a hormonal problem not a calorie problem.

>>76592086
The energy balance still obeys physics even if you don't measure it.

>>76592116
Then why are you still so fat?

>>76592104
Hormones are not magic. You cannot create mass from nothing no matter what

>>76592124
The "energy" you're referring to is just fat molecules in the fat tissue. You might as well describe it as "weight balance".

The way to lose "energy" (of fat) or "weight" (of fat) is to optimize hormones. Calorie measurements have nothing to do with it.

>>76592140
You can lower your metabolism and lose muscle mass. That is what happens when you eat less of fattening foods.

Fasting is ketogenic and works because it lowers insulin so your body can use stored fat for energy.

>>76592148
>>76592153
Oh, so you literally are ketoschizo. Go about your business then - just know that no matter what bullshit you spam all over this board, keto works because of CICO. CICO is king.

>>76592175
>keto works
it doesnt though

>>76592175
>CICO is king
Based.

>>76592094
>Eating less doesn't work
Except for the hundreds of millions of humans alive before corpos did advertising who ate less and lost weight. It's not big sugar's fault you're fat, it's your fault.
>Eating different food does work.
Except for the hundreds of millions of humans alive before corpos did advertising who ate less and lost weight. It's not big sugar's fault you're fat, it's your fault.
>The "eat less" advice is specifically given to prevent people from changing the type of food they eat. It is intended to keep people eating sugar.
Except for the hundreds of millions of humans alive before corpos did advertising who ate less and lost weight. It's not big sugar's fault you're fat, it's your fault.
I see you're too stupid to form an actually point, so I'll leave you to it. Have fun being fat, fatty fatass.

>>76592311
Before anyone had ever heard of the calorie measurement, everyone was slim.

After the sugar industry propagandized everyone with calorie nonsense the obesity epidemic began.

Traditional wisdom of how to lose weight was
- no snacks
- no starch
- no sugar

These are all consistent with the hormonal theory of obesity.

>>76592175
>CICO is king
>>76592175
>CICO is king

not a cult btw

>>76592341
traditional wisdowm of how to lose weight was to eat foods with fewer calories to ingest fewer calories? Damn you just BTFO CICO so hard, bro!

Dr. Chickenshit scared to collab with the real deal, can't blame him

>>76586034
I’ve never seen a rebuttal to this pasta and I’m a cico believer

>>76591925
But then you're counting food, instead of calories. After the fact, too.

>>76592412
That's because it's a "Strawman." You'd have to explain why what they said is retarded, which is impossible to do to anyone who actually thinks or agrees with the pasta because they lack critical thinking faculties.
Fat people are more stupid, it leeches into their brain. They'll say it's "negative mental health outcomes from negative stigma around obesity" but the research says otherwise.

>>76592341
>Before anyone had ever heard of the calorie measurement, everyone was slim.
Not true.
>After the sugar industry propagandized everyone with calorie nonsense the obesity epidemic began.
people knew about calories before you sugar bogeyman corpos ran ad campaigns with it. It's not big sugar's fault you're fat, it's your fault.
>Traditional wisdom of how to lose weight was
>- no snacks
>- no starch
>- no sugar
So eating less
>These are all consistent with the hormonal theory of obesity.
As well as with eating less to lose weight, as everyone has for millennia except for you apparently. Maybe you've got a thyroid disorder or something. You're probably just fat, mad, and lazy though.
PUT THE FORK DOWN, FATTY

>>76592348
says the ketoschizo

>>76592412
>I'm a cico believer
You're a liar and a samefag

Plenty of rebuttals in this very thread. You wouldn't have had to post it again this if it went well the first time

>>76592416
And you count fat different from protein, so what? All calorie measurements are "after the fact" because they had to be measured in a lab first. If the effect of food texture was an actual big deal on a broad scale, we would treat it differently the way we do fiber from other carbs.

>>76592483
So no rebuttal cordie?

>>76592412
Because there isn’t one. It would have been debunked and would step getting so many (you)s if it had been debunked

Cicultists just can’t do it

>>76592398
>thousands of years nobody heard of a calorie
>everyone is lean
>1950s sugar information inc tells everyone about calories
>everyone becomes fat

What a mystery.

>>76592516
Just like people shut up about flat earth? No point in a rebuttal if you're just going to ignore it (again).

Cope and seethe, fatass.

>>76592500
see >>76592545

>>76592521
>calories "invented"/"discovered" (defined) in the 1600s
>MUH BIG SUGAR MADE ME FAT
PUT THE FORK DOWN, FATTY

>her rebuttal is just “Muh uh, u fat!”
Grim cordy

>>76592521
>thousands of years nobody has enough food
>1950s igh-calorie slop becomes more and more prevalent and people start being less and less active

I would love for the slop food industries to get fucked and our obesegenic environment fixed, but part of that is education on nutrition including CICO (actual physics) not your schizo shit

>>76592563
>doesn't post body
concession accepted, fatty fat fat fatass

>>76592563
/fit/ is CICO turf. your keto shit belongs on reddit with the vegans

>>76592563
>her
women can't into CICO

>>76592563
YWNBAW

>samefagging
>fatty fatty fatty
I accept your concession, moxie

>>76592602
>no body posted
fat is estrogenic, it sounds like it's making you emotional

>no rebuttal still after 27 hours
Grim

>>76592500
>>76592563
>>76592602
Oh my fuckgimp found it's way to the anti CICO thread, cute. I love running into you like this, thanks for the dance though :)

Want to lose weight? Eat 900 calories a day for 3 days. 1500 day 4. Follow that rotation and you'll lose weight. No matter what U f**king say.

>>76592608
Legit the actual hormones they should be worried about

>>76592614
I didn't know you flirted with other people like this... how do you feel about introducing a third into our relationship? He wants to get cucked and I wanna cuck him so you don't even need to fuck him.

>>76592631
Moxyte is even worse than you Fungo

>>76592614
Again with this? You're seething big time

>>76592634
oh yeah he's into degradation too, this is going to be perfect! I love how bratty you are, it gets me going so hard.

>>76592634
>Moxyte
>Fungo

>>76592672
They're bogeymen some newfag schizo came up with a year or two ago to explain why the board is so dogshit (it's bots). Might be personalities in their head. I think moxyte is a redditor, and kekke and fungo are discord users, but they've never talked about what server(s) they're in. Just ignore him, you can filter his posts pretty easy.

>>76592576
Calorie believers have to make up fake history to defend the calorie lie.

There were many periods of abundance in human history without obesity. People with access to basically unlimited meat never got fat.

>>76592690
>There were many periods of abundance in human history without obesity
Not true.
>People with access to basically unlimited meat never got fat.
Not true.
Wanna try again?

>>76592690
There are fat people on the carnivore diet in this very day and age

>>76592690
You're wrong, but I'll humor you if you provide some evidence. Or since you don't have that, just name the place and time.

Cicojeets
On suicide watch

>>76592742
In history, I mean. Just realized this sounded like I'm gonna fight you in a parking lot.

To do that you'd have to
>show body

Nigga who the fuck is Moxyte and fungo

>>76592788
Moxyte is an overweight mentally ill vegan who seems like he is on /fit/ all day every day shilling for carbs and against low-carb diets which he calls Atkins.

He sometimes throws tantrums in the /fat/ thread and has repeatedly tried to get moderators to censor low-carb discussion.

>>76592788
Moxyte is a jacked vegan who post here sometimes he mogged some keto retard and he's been spiraling

>>76592919
Ah okay, I saw half the catalog full of carnivore/keto/anti calorie threads and wondered what happened. Makes sense

>>76585451 (OP)
I recently lost 30lbs doing nothing but counting calories, eating enough protein, and exercising. What the fuck are you doing that you need to think harder about it? "Oh I'm a runner, I need more carbs and I need to time some carbs before exercise" and the only change is that you reserve 400 calories for a peanut butter & banana sandwich at 3pm.

You people are mouthbreathers. Just lift.

Ketoschizo is the anti cico retard btw

>>76590915
This.

>>76592576
>thousands of years nobody has enough food
American education. You know we have records of what people ate per day in antiquity and the Middle Ages, right? Hint: We are at a historical low of meat consumption and caloric intake outside of America. American, otoh, is average (slightly below average in caloric intake actually), nothing special.

So why are we fat? It's because we don't move anymore. Walking 30 km per day was normal, average even in the 19th century. Elite level? More like walking 90 km per day. That's asinine, crazy numbers for today. And also, our food is now mostly chemicals and water. No problem losing a few kg immediately after replacing goyslop with actual food.

CICO is a meme. Always been since Atwater invented it. And once you do your research on how calories are measured, you will agree 100%. Absolute voodoo science.

>>76592672
>>76592680
kekke is a guy who doesn't work and lives online. he has spammed 4chan (many boards, not just /fit/) for almost 10 years. he's not a namefag. kekke is what people call him because he used to always post kekke or kekkypow at the end of his posts. fungo is one of his gimmicks. i'm sure you have seen the spam pictures of girls facebook pictures. he posts them on many different boards. one time on /b/ he made up a larp story that one these girls called him "fungo" on account of his funfal infection so that's why he spams her picture. it was just a larp story. but that's why some people call him fungo. anyways, he posts majority of spam on this board.
>cico vs keto
>pro-roids
>anti-roid "roidtanny" hate
>mma or mma fighters compared to weightlifters
>daily "ruins you're life" hemorrhoid spam
>balding/fin threads
>race-bait (am/wf, blacked porn, why are blacks so strong, etc.)
>weird pictures of bodies (stolen from reddit) with a question like "how would you fix this?" or "why does it look off?"
>e-celeb spam
>gay-bait (all the college wrestlers, swimmers, cross coutnry runners, frat boys)
>cropped gay porn
>dumb questions with a picture of troon or larping as a troon
>how do I get this body? (picture of an anime girl, troon or some bimbo with a huge ass)
>festivals are a good workout
>what do I buy at the grocery store
>the fungo gimmick: facebook pictures of a few different girls with a post like "rate my gf, my gf is getting fat, how do I fuck this girl, I wanna fuck this guy's wife, how do I hook up with this cashier, etc"
and many other things. just whatever will get him (you)s. he also just repetitively posts things he's fixated on, you'll see things posted on every day for weeks like
>hand/forearm threads
>pistol squat threads
>olympic lifting/squat everyday (he's doing this now)

>>76593195
there's alot of other spam he posts too. the reason you can tell this is one person is because he will post a mix of this stuff all within an hour and then bump/samefag them with identical responses. and the posting style is always the same. he does nothing but sit on 4chan all day, every day. that's why he's able to post this vast amount of stuff.

>>76593200
>>76593195
nice try ketoschizo, moxyte already exposed your spam above tho

>>76593279
hi kekke. your posts makes no sense.

just give it a rest ketoschizo, enough

he's talking to himself now

>>76592788
see >>76592680

>>76593195
>one time on /b/
/b/ is an entirely botted board though
I think you're having chatGPT psychosis
obvious newfag is obvious

>>76585451 (OP)
Once I realized sugar is Jewish.

>>76586034
When will it be disputed ?

>>76592788
A reddit user who hates keto.

>>76587182
Mogs 90% of /fit/

Vegan CICO cultists absolutely btfo'd once again

>>76594074
abysmal dogshit bait nigga

Newfag puts it in the wrong field again

>>76593155
>Keto believers have to make up fake history to deny the truth of CICO.

>>76594082
Always see vegans deny CICO, never the other way round, like plants give them special powers or something lol

>>76593988
>>76592639
>>76592550
you're getting boring

>>76594214
abysmal dogshit bait nigga

>>76594074
CICO is for fit people, not vegan >people

>>76594214
I've never seen vegans dispute CICO. Their "food" is mostly fiber and they want to encourage low-fat diets so they use the old trick where they say fat has more calories per gram.

CICO is very useful for people who promote low-fat plant-based diets.