Thread 76598457

Lying on my back is the only postion that doesnt hurt but I just cant fall asleep, idk why my body just cant do it, ill lie there for 4-5 hours despite being really tried and sleepy. If I fall asleep on my side either will wake up in 30 mineuts if I can even fall asleep cuz my arms go numb or have a dull ache. I spent 800 bucks on various pillows this year. Im losing my fucking mind!! My eyes always hurt with this deep burning. I cant fucking take it anymore!!!

>>76598457 (OP)
Enjoy your sleep apnea

>>76598463
U really think sleeping on ur back causes sleep apnea? U need meds dude

>>76598457 (OP)
When I was 15 I somehow forced myself to learn to back sleep because they said it was healthier. Now that it's deemed unhealthy, I can't side sleep at all it just feels mega uncomfortable.

>>76598478
Your mouth opens and you don't breathe through your nose
Look up that guy that slept on the ground in Africa in the natural way, and one ear was open to be on alert for predators
You're meant to sleep on your side

>>76598478
>>76598487
It's more a breathing thing than just a sleeping thing
I'm septoplasty guy I did a deep dive in this shit

>>76598487
Sauce me brother please

>>76598463
>Enjoy
Thanks!

>>76598478
It's not that it causes sleep apnea. But when someone has a sleep apnea, they often can breath freely when sleeping on their side. While sleeping on their back will collapse their breathing ways.

I snore on my back on my stomach and on my side. Im not a mouth breather and im not fat

I had this at one point. The thing was that I had rounded shoulders a kid. When I fixed disbalance in my shoulders and trained them to a decent size, I started to sleep with a proper posture. Thus blocking the flow in my arms. Now I try to sleep with collapsed in shoulders and it feels great. No numbness in my hands. In the pose the toddlers usually sleep.
Try it.
For sleeping on your back, put pillows below your elbows to lift your arms and put a pillow on your stomack and put your your arms on it. Feels good this way. Besides, a pillow on your stomach is a good hack to fall asleep. For whatever reason when your increase your stomach temp, it's much easier to fall asleep. Also tilt your head on a side. Don't face ceiling

>>76598540
If you snore, you are very likely to have a sleep apnea.
A healthy amount of snoring is zero

>>76598487
Both ur ears are free if u sleep on ur back retard

>>76598538
The main downside of sleep apnea is not getting enough sleep, whcih I am already doing so there's no risk. How cna I have sleep apnea if im not fat? Even if I did at this pojt it would be worth it to wear that mask. I need sleep. How amni suppose to fall asleep if my arms hurt? I made way too much gains. They hurt before the gain s even

>>76598576
Collapsed in shoulders? What?

>>76598600
...it's not about the ears
Last reply for me
Too stupid

>>76598611
U said we are mant to sleep with one ear up to catch predators yet it makes 0 sence since both ur ears are free and postioned better to catch sound waves when u are on ur back u manual laborer

>>76598457 (OP)
Targeting
Septoplasty

>>76598620
I didn't say that. That's not what I said. You're very, very stupid
I only replied to call out the targeting
You're nanochipped too
Fuck off

>>76598608
Collapsed in. With rounded shoulders.

>>76598624
I have slightly deviated septum and have no trouble breathing on My back

>>76598604
Sleep apnea can be from too much muscle mass, especially if you roid.
Yea, mys houlder dlstarted to hurt from a side sleeping, when they fot too big. Same with hands going numb. The only thing that works for me is sleeping with forcefully rounded shoulders.

>>76598457 (OP)

I always have sleep paralysis when I sleep on my back for some reason

>>76598637
Sounds like you really knew what you were doing when you started down that road

Routine takes over.

First night, you won't sleep, by the 7th night you sleep from pure exhaustion and after 6 months anything else will feel weird.

I sleep on my back because I've had a lot of plastic surgery, so my nose and tit implants hurt if I'm on my side for 8 hours a night. You'll get used to it OP, you just have to suffer for the first 6 months

exhaust yourself more
make sleeping on the side uncomfortable (sew tennis balls in an old shirt)
I thought about buying foam and cutting a head hole into it so I can't turn to the side

>>76598637
What do u mena by forcefully rounded shoulders? Can u find a pic please?

>>76598695
I really dont have that much time. I cant be a bimbo, I have to work. Can u post body? I wanna see how good ur tits look. U shouldn't have done that btw..

>>76598726
Try to move your shoulders forward and reach out with your hands as if you try to hug someone in front of you. Actually hugging a pillow is the best. The best position for me when the hands go to the front and down towards my legs. I would say at 30 degrees. So basically right pic with slightly elevated from her body hands.
If I sleep like the left one, I will wake up with completely numb hands and my shoulders will hurt.
Just don't forget to keep a good posture when you are awake. Otherwise your will fuck up your shoulder while lifting.

>>76598518
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1119282/

>>76598730
Its the only way you're ever going to sleep on your back properly. The first 5 months is hell, you're brain and body will scream at you to curl up, but you just have to do it.

Why shouldn't I have got surgery? When you lose weight, tits sag, it sucks

>>76598777
I think last time I tried that the pain went away but i woke up with a buzzing sensation cuz my circulation was cut off

>>76598861
I thought u got implants, in thatcase i guess its okay.. I was trying to tell u that small tits are okay.. I prefer them actually

I happen to be an expert on sleeping due to my own issues.
By far, the best sleeping position is on the side, slightly curled, with the free arm across your chest and the arm underneath keeping your head level

>>76598873
Ohh, yeah but my implants weren't for big fake ones, but to stop sagging. No one can tell they're fake because I wanted them looking as natural as possible

>>76598604
The main downsides of sleep apnea are increased intrathroacic pressure which can cause both systemic and pulmonary hypertension, heart failure and arrhythmia, hypoxia and hypercapnia which can fuck your brain among other organs.

>>76598936
Oh u did get implants? I just thought u got skin tucked. U should have accepted ur saggy tits and gotten with a manlet or bald dude were u belong. The population collpase is beaxuse of people like u

>>76598869
Buzzing sensation is not really a cut circulation, but compressed nerves. Which is still very bad. You should definitely buy some good b vitamin complex, without any synthetic shit.
I should also mention that I put one of those ergobomic pillow for head under my ribs to lift my body up. It's quite hard and lifts my upper body 3-4 cm. Ofc your pillow under your head should be taller than that. This might remove the pressure.
I have nothing else to advice. I wish you the best of luck.

>>76598936
A female on /fit? Or are you a trans?

>>76599005
P.s.: so my shoulder is on a mattress between two pillows.

>>76599005
Can u show me a pic of this pillow? I think I tried that already

>>76599012
If i put a pillow under tby body my lower back starts hurting

>>76599116
It's like this one. Very hard and the higher under my armpit

for the last 3 years almost everyday i wake up in the middle of the night, pretty much exactly after 4 hours right now

what do i do anons?

>>76598457 (OP)
you need a new mattress. i recommend Nectar

also try sleeping naked and with the AC/fan on
also try smoking weed

>have overactive kidneys or small bladder, doctors can't figure out why I piss 15-20 times per day
>wake up 2-3 times a night to piss
>on at least one have a hard time going back to sleep
>only thing that stopped me from waking up at all was smoking weed before bed, but I don't like weed and I have to stay clean for random piss tests
>melatonin helps me fall asleep but not stay asleep
>get plenty of sunlight, exercise, good diet, etc.

Please help

>>76599278
>I piss 15-20 times per day
Diabetes
Prostatic hyperplasia
Underlying heart condition
Inadequate caffeine intake / low tolerance
What the fuck are the doctors even checking, if anything? Do they look at your face and spew out whatever basic bullshit without doing any exams?
Have you even tried to modify your salt and water intake habits?

>>76598457 (OP)
I used to be that way as well but I forced myself to sleep on my back.
Couldn't sleep at all for the first night but I sure did the second one. It'll get easier.

>>76599124
That fixed my shoulder shit but creats problems in my lower back, maybe I need a thinner one, how thin is urs??

>>76599009
I've got a 15 year old son lol


>>76598993
>and gotten with a manlet or bald dude
I didn't realise you were single

>>76599320
Docs get a pleasure from watching u suffer

>>76598457 (OP)
I can't sleep on my side anymore. I instantly wake up after a couple of hours.

Lmfao you're useless 50iq trash
Its mind numbing how stupid you all are you didn't even read the natural sleeping paper
I am literally disgusted, disgusted with you people so pathetic
To think I have to be around dumb trash like you in my day today life
I want to throw up
You're all basically dead, they did a number on you more than you could imagine. Your entire life will pass by being pathetically stupid, truly limited, embarrassingly incompetent at life itself it's a wonder you can breathe without a TikTok video explaining it to you

>>76599620
This literal gorilla and stone age african are smarter than you
Enjoy sleeping on your back you dumb, dumb cattle trash hicks

>>76599628
Unironically the return monke I fully support.

>>76599637
Why didn't anyone comment on this
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1119282/
Because everyone in this thread just wants an echo chamber that let's them be mentally handicapped levels of stupid
i don't have the words I need right now to express how disgusting, disgustinf you people are

>>76599650
I'm familiar with that paper, and I myself am a "floor sleeper", I sleep on a thin stiff mat similar to a tatami, I do use a thin pillow because I primarily sleep on my stomach-side. But when I first lie down and stretch I like to do it on my back, I can literally hear my back cracking after a whole day at work. I loathe modern mattresses, I've always had lower back and upper back issues because of them, and I couldn't understand why I felt more comfy just lying on a carpet, then 15 years ago I just bit bullet and switched to floor sleeping. My now ex-wife wasn't enthusiastic about that switch, lmao.
But these days I wanna get a low profile bed frame like this for better air circulation underneath, and the floors can't be uncomfortably cold in winter.

>>76598499
Same, nose broken three times and one unsuccessful septoplasty and I can't breathe properly unless I sleep on one specific side. Wish I could be a back sleeper but since I struggle to mouth breath I just tend to wake myself up or unconsciously shift back to my side.

Try sleeping at 30-45 degrees elevated you probably have congestive heart

>>76599827
Fuck off with ur gaslighting

>>76599681
Why don't you just get a hard mattress? Even ikea has those

>>76598457 (OP)
>Lying on my back is the only postion that doesnt hurt but I just cant fall asleep
I have the same thing
Only in very extreme sleep deprivations have i fallen asleep on my back
i don't your problem though since i sleep on my side

Always been a sidesleeper. My brain never turns off when on the back.
But recently my shoulders are taking all the brunt of the upper bodyweight and I take nerve damage. Thinking that my matress might be old. Going to try and diy a gap for the shoulder in the matress.

>>76599710
>Wish I could be a back sleeper
you're so stupid dind't you follow the thred
>nsuccessful septoplasty a
my worst nightmare i'm so fortunate, what happened?? i was scared for about a month after i thought it failed, then i did nasal irrigation finally and i won
>s I sleep on one specific side
i like to sleep on my right because on the left i hear my heart and it annoys me

>>76600270
>>76600143
absoltely clowns imagine sleeping on mattresses adn not reading the paper in this thread
you're all a joke bro
i can't wait to start workign so i don't have to be here all day
whats another word for disgust, i

>>76599681
very good
yea its gonna be a hard sell when its time to get wife because, twomen are retarded but ill cross that when i get there
but my mom actually she's a woman, and she likes floor sleeping so maybe not all women are against mattresses
what was cool in that article or paper is, the monks sleeping on their shins and also all the penis protective stances
for me, it's going without a pillow that's the next frontier because when your head rests on your arm your mouth closes naturally and you're guaranteed nose breathing this guy lived with the tribes all his life

>>76600288
man im so anxious for the next time i have sex without paying for it, i'm already nervous i'ts been a long time

>>76600293
idk how thats gonna go when she comse over and i have a tatami mat

>>76600296
i kissed a girl in a dream last night it was awesome it felt so real she was chubby

Recently bought a $6500 Tempurpedic mattress and adjustable base but went with a Purple pillow. It's like a big rectangle of their grid rubbery material and it's fucking great. I had a curved Tempurpedic pillow like the one above for almost twenty years but this one is much better for me.

The adjustable base I got can make a huge difference but I don't need it most time. It's great when you do though. Also has an additional lumbar support that you can adjust to keep your hip angle perfect. Absolutely worth the money for both

>>76598457 (OP)
I know how you feel, its borderline physically impossible to do it, it feels like I have an itch but I dont, I get annoyed after a while, turn to the side and fall asleep in 30 seconds, like other anons said it has to do with breathing
I dont have any problems with side sleeping, afaik its the most natural position for humans (look how sleep apes for the closest natural example)

>>76600342
>Recently bought a $6500 Tempurpedic mattress

>>76598801
Are they comparing monkey sleeping habits?

>>76600363
no
>Figure 1 shows a mountain gorilla lying on the ground on his side without a pillow—a position in which I have also seen chimpanzees and gibbons sleeping—and a Kenya African in a similar position on a palm leaf mattress on a concrete floor. Note how he uses his laterally rotated arm as a pillow and can listen out for danger with both ears.

>>76600409
>When lying on one side you do not even need the arm as a pillow: when the lower shoulder is fully hunched, the neck is completely supported. I think the neck should deviate towards the ground as gravity then shuts the mouth

>>76600356
Twenty years of extremely comfortable sleep. Lol how dumb

>>76600442
Sure thing pal

>>76600442
dad or uncle probably owns a mattress store,
shill
imagine dropping 6500 on that lmfao you're pathethic
even if you're a billionarie that's retarded

>>76600275
How retarded are you?
In the paper absolutely no one sleeps on the hard floor.
Every animals prefers to sleep on something slightly soft. Ground itself is softer than a hard mattress.
You really need to be a speacial kind of a retard to think that sleeping on a hard floor os somehow comparable to sleeping on ground.
The guy in the article sleeps on a mattress. The gorilla sleeps on a bed of soft soliage and grass.

>>76600143
Not that kinda feeling. It's hard to explain. And they're also heavy af, springs get weaker over time, I'm not a lardass, but I had this issue many times, and then you have to throw that shit out, but it's huge and heavy. I like the feeling of EVA mats (picrel) the most, the best combination of stiffness and softness. One day I'll build a proper low profile bed with a 2" eva foam block instead of a mattress and that frame I posted above.
>>76600288
Nah, I need a small pillow. Using my own arm as a pillow sucks because it leads to ingrown hair and breakouts in the contact area. We didn't divorce because of the floor sleeping, she's an outdoorsy type and likes sleeping on the ground, lol, we divorced like a decade later for other reasons. And as another anon said, sleeping on the ground or even on a mat like I do isn't the same as sleeping on the cold tile, concrete, or even wooden floor. It's entirely unnecessary unless you really like it. I sleep on a mat because I like it.

>>76598457 (OP)
I sleep on the side, hugging my gf. Wake up feeling like a king every day.

>>76600886
A sinple 400 eur mattress from ikea has a decade of warranty. It's super hard to the point that it's 1 cm difference if you lie flat on it. It's the same feeling as lying on the ground. Same kind of softness.
You do you. But just saying.

>>76600778
reading comprehension??
what is a tatami mat, search for it in the thread
you pathethic self righteous faggot

>>76600969
Man, ik, I tried them all and ended up settling on EVA foam mats. As I said, it's hard to explain the difference, it's subtle, but it's so important.

>>76600886
>>76600969
>>76601008
honestly i feel great on hardwood floors i wake up in the morning, spring right up, I can sprint immediately after waking up if i need to chase an aimal or run away from danger
sorry abou tthe divorce maybe you didn't have kids in time, u gotta have kids within 6 months of meetign otherwise the relationship is doomed!!!
>>76600901
thats gonna be cash one day im gonna love her so much might squeeze her to death and kill her

>>76598457 (OP)
Pin your head against something on the side, like instead of a pillow under it put it on your shoulder and lean into it.

>>76598938
Wait, sleep apnea can cause high blood pressure? I snore badly, bordering on sleep apnea but my doctor doesn't want to confirm since I'm too young. But he is concerned about my blood pressure. What a fucking charlatan.

>>76601220
>sorry abou tthe divorce maybe you didn't have kids in time, u gotta have kids within 6 months of meetign otherwise the relationship is doomed!!!
Bruh, lol, no. My son turns 18 soon. I'm the one who initiated the divorce, but it's a peaceful divorce, no bloodbath.

>>76599245
>also try smoking weed
But now for the sleep. You fall asleep faster, but the sleep quality is really bad.

>he doesn't sleep at a 5 degree incline like the kangz of old
never going to make it

>>76601464
How

>>76599278
stop flexing and relax. idiot.

>>76599278
How old are you? What stimulants are you on? Coffee/energy drinks/vyvanse?
Idk about the pissing thing that's rough but if you're on stimulants it will fuck with your sleep. I wake up in the middle of the night too but I fall back asleep okay. Except on days where I take vyvanse, I wake up and can't fall back asleep.

>>76601008
And?

>>76598457 (OP)
I fell for the backsleep meme, now I just sleep on my front because it feels so much better and I don't snore. All this stuff about shoulder stress and neck and spine pain is such a load of bullshit, I've tried all the sleeping positions and they're all comfortable but on my back makes me snore

>>76598938
Can a CPAP increase intrathoracic pressure also?

>>76602828
Face down on massage table good idea?

>>76598463
I dont have a BMI in the 30s so I should be fine, but thanks

sleeping on the back works for the 1st half of the night, after which I get bloating in my gut which doesnt release
gas releases when sleeping on the sides, but then it makes me heat up and start sweating

>>76598576
>For sleeping on your back, put pillows below your elbows to lift your arms and put a pillow on your stomack and put your your arms on it. Feels good this way. Besides, a pillow on your stomach is a good hack to fall asleep. For whatever reason when your increase your stomach temp, it's much easier to fall asleep.

this sounds like it could be a good idea
gonna report back if it works

>ITT people who aren't /fit/ enough to fall asleep in any position
The longer I stay here the more I lose hope

>>76598457 (OP)
why a muslim

Anyone tried glycine for sleep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UNqYMDU37M

>>76606204
Have U?

>>76599278
>please help
https://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/FOOD.DAILY.htm
https://www.drlwilson.com/detox_protocols.htm
https://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/SUPPLEMENTS-BASIC.htm
get in contact for a hair test for a more tailored supplement/diet plan
>good diet
hopefully whatever idea of healthiness you've currently got doesn't get in the way of hearing this dude out, he says a lot of batshit stuff(mostly about glowniggers) but I take it with a grain of salt

>>76598478
You are another 4chan retard who has no idea what the fuck you're talking about but spew it as fact anyway.
Lying on your back typically does make it worse. Gravity is working against your lungs as opposed to when you lay on your side. Also on your back your tongue is more likely to fall back and obstruct your airway

t. sleep apnea nigger

>>76599278
do you take a lot of caffiene?
When I was taking 800mg-1000mg I was drinking 3 gallons of water a day and pissing constantly.
When I cut back to about 400mg my water consumption dropped to less than 2 gallons.

>>76606204
bumping the question

>>76601736
I put weight plates under the feet of one side of my bed to raise it at least 6 inches above the other side, but there are other ways to do it too

>>76598457 (OP)
There's a link between traumatic experiences and not being able to sleep on your back. People who have been through basic training, police academies, and the like report losing the ability to sleep on their back after the first day. There's no clear understanding as to why. OP was likely molested.

>>76598487
>sleep on side
>lose circulation to arms

This only started happening when I got super swole. Circulation sucks when laying on your side so recovery suffers and you can wake up with dead limbs. How is that a plus in nature? I regularly wake up with one arm being asleep.

>>76608570
>apparently it's true
wtf didn't know that

>>76598457 (OP)
Most of the time I fall asleep while lying on the side, but I always wake up lying on my back in the morning.
So I reckon that I just turn to lie on my back after falling asleep and then keep lying that way for the rest of the night