Thread 76614907

I have read sex is a natural test booster. So if you have sex every day you get a daily test boost and I can imagine over long period of time that results in more gains.
I am 25 and I have never had a girlfriend or had sex. Should I try to get girls if I want better gains?

>>76614907 (OP)
You're missing out on a lot if you don't have sex. Problem is that if you've never had it, it's very difficult to get started and it gets harder the older you get because you're still stuck at a milestone that you should have cleared at like, I dunno, 16 or something. Meanwhile if you've had it or having it then it's incredibly easy to leverage that into more sex and girls.

Personally I've accepted that it's simply too late for me as a wizard since I'll be fighting a decade plus of failure on that front just to move the needle from 0 to 1. I suggest you do too.

>>76614926
How would you know that if you never had sex? That's like saying it's harder to start lifting if you never did but starting to lift is hard at any age but also gets easier the more experience you get under your belt.
Miss me with your defeatist attitude. I am 25 and never had sex because of health issues and because I never pushed myself to date but I know that if I want to get a gf I will find a way and I will find a girl or even girls.

>>76614907 (OP)
>I have read sex is a natural test booster. So if you have sex every day you get a daily test boost and I can imagine over long period of time that results in more gains.
Test is more complicated than that. Maybe theoretically(?), but the gains would probably be so small as to be not super noticeable except on extreme timelines (e.g., sex every day for 10 years vs. no sex, all other things fixed).
Sex improves pretty much every possible happiness cue that exists within you, however. Like deep-seated happiness and satisfaction, very different from masturbation (note that this depends on circumstance: you can have sex you regret which does the opposite). I find it helps with gym motivation/life motivation, so maybe you can consider it improving gains by proxy?

>>76614936
>How would you know that if you never had sex?

Because I've been trying for over a decade to lose it and know many others who have tried and failed and also those who succeeded. It's almost a universal rule that beyond the age of 22 the only way you're moving from 0 to 1 is basically just pure luck or if you have absolutely insane levels of sociopathic tolerance for being repeatedly rejected, humiliated and ostracized by peers for being creepy AKA awkward when talking to women.

>That's like saying it's harder to start lifting if you never did but starting to lift is hard at any age

It IS harder to lift at older ages. A dude starting at 40 will have a much more difficult path forward than one starting at 20. And that's fitness, with dating the difficulty increases exponentially with each subsequent year.

>Miss me with your defeatist attitude. I am 25 and never had sex because of health issues and because I never pushed myself to date but I know that if I want to get a gf I will find a way and I will find a girl or even girls.

Cope however you like. I'm simply giving you the raw facts, you will come to understand as you grow older and more bitter but hey, don't let me rob you of your naive hopeful delusions. I had them too once.

>>76614907 (OP)
Have sex after lifting and its cool to see japanese east asian men fuck blonde white girls and japanese asian girls and so on

>>76614962
>been trying for a decade to talk to girls with no success
>extreme black and white thinking
>thinks sex is extremely hard to get (despite it being a normal consequence of normal social skills)
>knows many others who tried and failed (autism community or Indian)
Just admit you have autism or you are Indian or worse, both. You have a disability, you are not normal and your "raw" facts only hold true for people like you, don't project it onto others.

>>76614907 (OP)
Ancient Chinks and Pajeets claimed ejaculation is unhealthy for the body and keeping it in will strengthen you.
Ancient Greeks claimed lack of ejaculation makes you depressed and schizo.

Take a look at NoFappers to make your own conclusions about who was right.

>>76614936
I fucked a lot as a teen and 20something, and really into my early 30s, and the biggest gains I ever made were in the sexless marriage which followed my libertine youth.

That said, my feeling is you can have both.

I was way bigger when i was having wild sex with my bpd ex everyday, it was like i was on steroids. Now i'm on nofap and dryspell and i lost size. Sex does increase gains. Fapping will make you lose all your gains tho.

>>76614980
Neither a jeet nor have autism. Just cursed with below average looks and attempting to gain dating experience while being older. And you should be one to talk OP, considering that you have also admitted that you've never had a girlfriend or had sex so if my statements count for nothing then yours count for absolutely fuck all.

If God wanted me to have sex, I'd have had sex by now. God either wants me to remain celibate for life, or has yet to deem me worthy of sex. Either way, my only option is to self-improov until life gets better.

>>76615021
>Just cursed with below average looks
This is a cope. Go out somewhere in public, a mall, whatever, and people watch. Observe every couple that walks by. You will notice that every dude with a girl is at or below average, except for maybe 1 here and there.
The black and white "you are either handsome and get girls or you are not and you don't" is a consequence of terminally online thinking. The real world doesn't work that way.
It's not a negative by the way. It means that the reality is, its parts of you that you CAN change that will help you find a relationship. Trying to shift blame/offload the problem to things you can't control absolves you of all responsibility, which is why you/so many others do it, but its pure cope.
>t. 5'7 average/below average dude who never had a problem with women, because I worked on my spergy social skills until it worked

>>76615021
Post arm, you are definitely not white.

I have had girls throw themselves on me on dates but I suffered from severe sleep apnea so I was too tired to pursue them. I only said I never had sex or a girlfriend, I never said I was never on a date or never kissed.

>>76615059
The guy is lying, he either has autism and/or is a shitskin and the girls he wants are 18-20 years old hot college girls. It's always the same with incels.

>>76614962
Anon, I had sex for the first time at 24
its never too late

>>76614907 (OP)
every time I had a gf my gains were significantly reduced.
- going to random restaurants
- not enough time to go to gym because girl complains
- constantly lazy and watching movies

The worst part is money. I had an ecom website that was printing 500-600 $ profit per day and when I got a gf I constantly paused it because I was wasting time with other shit, traveling + spending outrageous amounts of money going out.

If you wanna make it in life, lock in for 2 years, only money and gym and when you make it you can have all the girls you want

>>76615114
>constantly lazy and watching movies
Why not just get a girl who also works out and doesn't watch movies/laze around?

>>76615144
I had a slim gf who would go to kpop dancing classes but would screech every time I wanted to go to the gym because she would be so lonely

>>76615114
This is partially your fault for allowing that to be your life with your GF. I'll start by saying I get it: having a GF makes it super easy to just want to spend time/money with them, like incredibly easy. It's why dudes get fat after marriage. It's why I got fat.
That said, a GF should never complain about gym time unless its ALL you do. My GF and I kinda got fat together, realized it was a problem, and now we are both on the health train. She goes to gym classes while I workout in the free weights/stationary bike (I hate classes). I cook all of our food, so its all healthy shit and calorie counted. The spending money should be an even split based on income and situation (traditional household splits can work if respected). We have a budget for travel and such, so it never gets out of hand. She has loans and we tighten the budget around her paying that back ASAP.
>If you wanna make it in life, lock in for 2 years, only money and gym and when you make it you can have all the girls you want
I like this advice because it makes you learn to be self-sufficient and live on your own, which I think a lot of dudes suck at and never really progress emotionally/mentally about it. That said, I think men really need to evaluate their partners better, and not just go for whoever says "yes" out of desperation (not saying you did that). I had a GF in college who would whine about me going to the gym, but then when I started getting fat, didn't like that either. I dropped her and just spent the last year partying, it was the right decision.
Current GF loves the effort I put into shit, and we hold each other to a good standard. I picked her as much as she picked me.

33, socially retarded, and I'm not even gonna try

>>76615223
I've gone out with a woman for the first time at 33

What is it like having a cute girl be attracted to you

>>76615237
Nice, I just tried and got friend zoned like every other time I've ever tried. It's clearly just not for me.

>>76614907 (OP)
Regular sex is great but not essential. Probably more important is losing your V-card if it's weighing you down.

Losing your virginity is an incredibly small deal in the big scheme of things but that's like saying "it's just a tiny piece of grit" to someone who has grit in their eye. It's impossible to have that kind of perspective and hindsight until you've done it and got over it.

Be brave, get yourself out there, remember you're looking to have some fun (or failing that, an experience), not searching for perfection. Use hookers if you need to. Just get some rough, messy experiences and build on it.

>>76614907 (OP)
Sex with different women boosts test. Being with the same woman actually lowers test over time.

>>76615059
I know you're trying to be helpful and positive but this simply isn't true. I go outside often enough and every girl that is even remotely attractive is dating a guy who is tall, fit and relatively handsome. It's either a looksmatch or the guy is better than her. Couples where the guy is uglier are so rare that it's quite notable when you see it.

>76615064
>Post arm

You first.

>I have had girls throw themselves on me on dates but I suffered from severe sleep apnea so I was too tired to pursue them. I only said I never had sex or a girlfriend, I never said I was never on a date or never kissed.

Cool, so you're basically a humblebragging volcel Chad or a liar trying to win an Internet argument. My point still stands.

>>76615087
>and the girls he wants are 18-20 years old hot college girls

What exactly is wrong with that? I know dudes who were blessed with good lucks who were shamelessly sleeping with that demographic well into their middle age. I've tried with them when I was that age too, I've tried with women who were my own age and it doesn't work out. All I see here is a bunch of coping by anons who think that it isn't over when you're older.

>>76615091
You were just on the cusp of it being over and got lucky. Congratulations to you but not everyone gets that chance.

>>76615246
I never said I didn't get friendzoned, I just said I went out with her :)

>>76615259
How old was she? i'm 33 and i was out aswell last night but got friendzoned (i think) i mean she didn't even touch me

>>76615261
we were both 33 and 33, she was autistic, lazy, disinterested in everything, so I didn't even push it

>>76615268
mine was 23, very energetic asking questions, even asked me about my ex who i lived with BUT she is flakey and kinda bpd (her father left them)

>>76615256
>All I see here is a bunch of coping by anons who think that it isn't over when you're older.
With that attitude you've sealed your fate already

>>76614926
>Meanwhile if you've had it or having it then it's incredibly easy to leverage that into more sex and girls.
this is not the case

Was dating a girl but she moved home to America. Both of us really liked eachother and we were both very upset when she was leaving.
We didn't explicitly breakup but it was only ever intended to be short term, but she's kinda ghosted me now that she's back home so I've stopped messaging.
As a person she's exactly what I'd go for in a relationship albeit a bit chubby, but I really doubt I could ever emigrate to America and live there.
Think my only option from this point onwards is to go no contact and let her send an 'I miss you' message and see where it goes from there.
Feeling quite down about the whole thing now that its over.

>>76615241
Really nice at first, it feels good, but makes you stupid and do dumb things. Then, they either lose interest or begin playing games to test you, and it begins to feel just as intensely bad as it felt intensely good in any case. After that point, it depends on the specific situation. At least in my experience.

>>76614907 (OP)
sex is very important
sexy time => oxytocin release => better gains
no sexual frustration => lower stress hormones => better gains
it's not even about test boost, just better recovery

>>76615256
And stay down

>>76614907 (OP)
The main physical benefit to fucking is that it gets you cardio at home so you can focus fully on making gains at the gym. Until she badgers you into not going so you can spend more time buying her shit or getting her food

You should try to have sex, but not to improve your body. It's good for you, and the process of making yourself more attractive is, like lifting, a way to improve yourself if you don't let it drive you crazy.

>>76614907 (OP)
Those are low quality women. Good for humping & dumping. IF you let them speak you'll bleed IQ.

Going International is a cliche for a reason.

>>76614907 (OP)
Go for it

>>76614907 (OP)
Sex is for faggot LGBT degenerates

One time I almost had sex. She sent nudes before, we were at her parents house alone, and she was ready to go. I freaked out, said I couldn't do it, and left. Later on she ended up giving me a blowjob, I couldn't get off from it, she asked if I wanted to be FWB, and then got back with her ex boyfriend like a week later.

>>76614979
If you think i am going to miss out on unhad gains from not jacking off, you must not be jacking off. My T is through the goddamn roof, ive already been Tmaxxing and currently get to nut 5 times a day. But i worry im just throwing protein away at this point or converting more testosterone to semen than muscle. The liver can only produce so much muscle so ive also been thinking of just ditching lifting and using my penis pump and cock cable entirely. Penis and balls is hairier than ever before, and i even have started wanting to fuck men but im not some kind of jewish gay butt boy homo to play into their ruse. I have however been needing more and more powerful butt blasting machines as my prostate is no match for this newfound high T mode.

>browse porn throughout the day for T boost before sets or if its low
>stop doing cardio on legs only as cardio raises T massively
>less all out lifting sessions and ill watch some porn and do a few sets, i bring the heaviest dumbbell i can to work for a couple of reps every few minutes
>semen(boiled down), ice, coffee, heavy cream, splash of mt dew, a strawberry and whipped cream
>a bottle of laxatives for breakfast before the pre work sprints
>just the right mixture of tobacco weed and crack while jacking off, beer hat and some dip, lsd in my ass it hits way harder
>oil myself up and scoot down the stairs and keep running back up since my girlfriend doesnt like to spank me
>mirrors all around the stairs so i dont have to think about other dudes
>a skimpy gimp suit to drive the girls crazy
>a live orchestra for jorking and some motown for trying to get in the mood
>a bunch of noisy chains so the neighbors know when im jorkin it so we can hang out in a half hour or so
>either blackface or makeup depending on if getting horny or jacking off

>>76614907 (OP)
I cannot fathom having anything in common with them. There's nothing we could both be interested in.

>>76615637
Im currently jacking off as we speak, i also lube myself up before jacking it too because its hard to fit into my gimp suit. But once i do, im already rock hard. My gimp suit is a musical one so less bells and whistles but it has a hi hat and a xylophone on it. A few dildos with nuts like a shredder costume and roller blades for busking. My tip jar is always filled up with 5-20 dollar bills which i reinvest mostly into dick pills and music lessons. The ladies love it, but im not doing any prostitution since id probably get fucked in jail.

>tfw 33 kissless virgin
It’s never been more over

>>76615046
Being ugly means you jerk off a lot which is sexual immorality

>>76615734
at least you've experienced nestling your face in between the butt cheeks of a beautiful woman, though, right?

>>76615734
You are a wizard anon. Your journey is just beginning. You have proven yourself worthy of wielding power.

>>76614907 (OP)
Masturbation doesn't cut it because it's the physical touch of sex?
You could find an escort.

>>76614907 (OP)
So you want me to put my penis in some woman's bloody fish stank slot?

>>76615734
I’m 33 in a few days aswell but I have had sex in all of my 20’s but I’m a virgin again and I can tell you for a fact that you are not missing out, it’s just 10 min of pleasure and then it’s constant nagging and goblin gains. I’m a volcel now and more at peace

>>76615865
there has never been a comment more gay than this you raging faggot

>>76615907
I got ptsd from my exes and im scared of women nowadays, i find more peace being a volcel atm, i hope i find my drive tho, im already on no fap. Based or cringe?

>>76614907 (OP)
Alright folks, I just had some pretty good sex with my wife. (We're both WFH today.) We'll see how the workout goes later.

>>76614958
>Source: Mi Culo

>>76614926
Nah, I lost my virginity at 24 (33 now) and since then its been a steady stream of getting laid because it's actually easy. Unfortunately not being desperate is key, you have to just "have fun" but not care if you get laid or not. If I had stayed off websites like this when I was younger and actually just gone out and been sociable instead of sitting at home seething/being depressed I'd have gotten laid a hell of a lot more too. I don't even drink or party, I just got into a few hobbies (normie ones) and talked about them to people and joined some faggy classes and groups. I didn't like it but eventually I made some friends and then those friends had friends that liked me and I got more confident and started cracking jokes and shit and then girls started acting differently around me and it became obvious I could get into their pants. But you really do have to change your life, you can't keep sitting on the internet all day you have to go and be a normie for a few years. I was here in 2010, but from like 2018-2024 I quit and went full normie. Fake it till you make it chuds.
Also don't be ugly. I'm not ugly.

>>76614907 (OP)
You're not missing anything. One day when you stop being 16 you will realise that sex is very meh and the reason you are sad is not because >tfw no gf, but because you're living in a profoundly sick society that actively wishes you harm.

>>76615967
describe what attractive women's buttholes smell like

>>76615974
How the fuck are you always in every thread posting about the smell and or taste of asshole. Find something better to do, you disgusting mong.

Met some nerdy 6, friend of a friend, who is pretty openly into me, messages me a lot(looked for the nearest excuse to get my number), is touchy etc. I am 24, was never with a woman before. One night when laying in bet thinking about pulling the trigger and asking her out, i relented because that would, and i genuinely believe this, ruin my clean streak, would bar me from achieving wizardry.
Months passed and she found someone else and we don't talk at all. I do not feel bad about this decision. My friends tell me im retarded, is this troo?

>>76615999
>My friends tell me im retarded, is this troo?
only if she's hot. You could have had her brapcheeks wrapped around your ears

>>76615999
You did the right thing, wait to find the right woman and get married to her. Trips confirm

>>76615974
It's not so much the smell or taste as it is the sensation. The feeling of her cheeks(butt) on your cheeks(face). The quivering, the unpredictability, the isolation from the outside world. I couldn't even tell you the smell because of all of those other senses are so overwhelming and more memorable.

>>76616022
Yeah stuffing your face and feeling of her cheeks is really something else, and I think it’s mostly the anticipation of her getting wet and waiting for you to fuck her hard.

>>76615742
but jerking off will stave off the crazy.