Thread 76702238

I’m actually distressed that some of the most famous physiques, even dream physiques I’ve been chasing for years, are unattainable without PEDs/TRT
Like I’m really fucking upset currently.

>>76702238 (OP)
Happens to everyone. Just don't nuclear and be the guy who flips out about "ROIDTRANNIES". If you want to stay natty Lyle Mcdonald is probably the only internet personality you should listen to for training and diet advice because almost everything he talks about is through that lens and probably why there's such a huge disparity between him and other fitness "gurus".

>>76702238 (OP)
trt doesnt get a you "dream physique". They're just lying about how much steroids they take

t. takes steroids

>>76702247
That asian guy with the fucked up last name, Sean nawkkowkakcly is cool too, doesn't preach insane shit and is always levelled with natty approaches

>>76702238 (OP)
Frank Yang is natty

why? just blast gear

>>76702259
That guy is on roids too lol

>>76702238 (OP)
Who are your dream physiques, anon?

Mine have always been the Troy, Casino Royale and Starlord physiques, which probably were acheived with PEDs but are absolutely achievable natty by a normal guy who isn't trying to get in shape for a movie that's shooting in 6 weeks.

Any bigger than those kinds of bodies and it's pretty obvious PED use is gonna be essential.

The natty limit was discovered in the "Bronze Era" of bodybuilding and even then genetics still plays a major role. Anyone bigger or leaner with the same mass than this guy is juiced to the fucking gills

>>76702275
Because you only live once and I’m scared shitless of possibly fucking myself in the long term.
>>76702285
Mine were Zyzz, the Hodge Twins and Jeff Cavaliere when I was a kid.

>>76702238 (OP)
Im natty
>>76702305
50% bf ain't the peak lol

>>76702238 (OP)
Physiques like picrel are absolutely attainable natty, but not for the average joe

>>76702371
Zyzz is acheivable natty, he just wanted to get there as quickly and easily as possible cos he's an arab and arabs have a very hard time gaining muscle and wanted to get started on the whole shagging ravesluts thing asap.

Hodge twins would require a lot more work and are both pretty fat now, since getting genuinely huge is hard to do while staying lean if you're not on PEDs.
Jeff Cavaliere is probs on PEDs too staying that lean all year round. His size is achievable natty, but he's unhealthily lean for long term.

>>76702392
no it's not

I'm more annoyed at the lenses and video tricks youtubers use, and I don't even mean fitness influencers. I watch videos of parkour and diving athletes and some of them looked pretty jacked. One video they measured their arms for fun and the biggest arm was like just over 15 inches. In the videos you'd think they have to be 16 inches at least. Everything you see online is fake, even if it's not intentional.

>>76702388
>50% bf
you have body dysmorphia

>>76702388
>>76702238 (OP)
post body

>>76702238 (OP)
>muh fizeeks
You sound like a literal faggot therefore I'm glad you're upset

what keeps me awake at night is that the future generations might end up having access to some magic pill with relatively safe profile a la ozempic, but for muscles

I don’t have a dream physique because even ignoring PEDs aren’t you never going to look quite like someone else due to genetics (frame, insertions, etc.)? Imagine working hard for years to look like someone else and when you finally get close it turns out that your last or whatever just aren’t shaped like his.

>>76702238 (OP)
Anon, remember that PEDs are a spectrum, not a binary. The line between “natty” and not is more than a little arbitrary, even if we all intuitively agree that some things are clearly on one side of it (caffeine) versus the other (trenbolone). You would be surprised how much farther you can get on a low dose of test or some peptides. The choice isn’t between taking nothing and blasting a gram of test a week.

>>76703866
It’s called test

>>76702390
Why don't you look like that anon? Kek.

>>76702259
Mike Chang is his name

>>76702238 (OP)
I put on 50lbs in less than a year because i cant fuckin sleep and once there its either a ton of fat or stagnation. You arent even trying.

>>76703882
>frame, insertions
Bith actually change as endocrine system becomes more efficient and adapts to more muscle and heavy weight stimulus. If you had the patience of 2yrs and a high iq i didnt have much info to start with and i used to be a reddit nerd. Its like anti advice.

>>76705807
>Insertions change

>>76702238 (OP)
The most important thing to remember about those physiques is that they weigh way more than you think

So you want to be huge? You'll probably have to slow bulk up 60lbs and then cut 20

>>76702388
>50% bf
???

>>76702238 (OP)
stop repressing

>>76704458
roidtranny triggered

>>76702238 (OP)
Lol you lift like shit i almost have 18in biceps and 2ish years ago my arms were bony and i looked like a ghoul

>>76706602
Im natty and have a very good diet. My biceps have less gap and my delts look longer, maybe its just hyperteophy but your body produces hgh.

>>76702238 (OP)
>IM A BUTTHURT NATTY PUSSY WAH
You were never going to be a Star Quarterback who women compete over either...

If anything, gear should be empowering, as if you take the same drugs and lift like you do already, not even counting how the drugs will make lifting feel so much better and reward you for your effort.

If youre an ignorant pussy, just stay natty.

>>76710750
You will die early from heart disease.

>>76702238 (OP)
ITS JUST A NEEDLE IN YOUR BUTT,
TWICE A WEEK,
IT NOT A BIG DEAL,

>>76711444
>You will die early from heart disease.

Ah the classic reflexive natty pussy trueisms. Gear will also make one infertile and reliant on exogenous hormones?

All the golden age bodybuilders never event PCT'd and yet not one has issues with fertility and most live fine as old men. Arnold still mogging the average natty retard, especially in his age group