Thread 76703341

These days in the fitness community there is a link to the Stoicism trend that is sold to young immature manchildren that have misogynistic viewpoints.
the Modern Stoicism narrative is twisted to promote hustle culture.

>>76703341 (OP)
>that have misogynistic viewpoints.
whats bad about this ?

>>76703341 (OP)
it's a popular school of thought. Also a coping mechanism for how shit things are nowadays

>>76703388
Its a form of dogmatism
>>76703391
The popular stoicism is linked to hustle culture

>>76703391
>how shit things are

You live in the most prosperous comfortable time in human history and have been conditioned into default negativism and defeatist. Low t shit. Read Nietsche. We are on the precipice of eternal peace and you see war

>>76703408
Nietzsche sounds interesting

>>76703408
>most prosperous comfortable time in human history

>>76703408
>You live in the hecking best time because
>Because you JUST DO OK
the 1920s bad a far better economy than what we currently live in and gas only cost a few cents
shut up faggot

>>76703428
The only person I can imagine saying we live in the best time is someone who has had literally everything handed to them.
Do we live in a good time?
yes
is the is the best time?
no, there have been far better times in the US by literally leaps and bounds

>>76703428
Yes the time of the greatest worldwide depression on the heels of a war that killed literally tens of millions of people were epic. Not to mention the zero workers protections. People genuinely have zero concept of the scale of time and the world they live in. You are genuinely retarded. What do you think wages were back then. Do you enjoy air conditioning. Also this is related to lifting because they didn't have squat racks back then

>>76703421
If youre interested in overcoming self defeatism and want to read the only philosopher who didn't build his entire philosophy based on the concept that "humans are worthless and life is pain" then he's for you

>>76703437
Stoicism is the "humans are worthless and life is pain"

>>76703431
Would you rather be a poor person in 1980s Phillipines or 2020s Phillipines? You are considering alternate timelines. Given any station of life. Holding all things constant you have access to more in current times than any time before. Purchasing power is higher if you live in America than any time in history. Just because you squandered your life and opportunities does not mean the universe is falling apart.

Its honestly how pathetic people are conditioned into this mindset. Woe is you miserable husk

Why are things bad for Gen Z specifically?

> Politicians only care about you as a human if you vote
> if you vote they fear you, you can fire them
> Last election 46,000,000 Gen Z ages 18-25 could vote
> They were known as the most socially progressive generation in history, very vocal about their beliefs and building a better world
> 13% voted

Hahahahaha imao even. Gen Z will get crushed. When economic policy is is dictated there is a winner and loser. A group taken from and a group given from. Nothing comes from nothing. Guess where everything is coming from for the foreseeable future? Gen Z will get crushed, they will get squeezed and the juices of their labor will flow upwards to me. They deserve this. Their misery has only begun, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

>>76703341 (OP)
Life absolutely sucks donkey dick for most normal young men, so they cope with stoicism

>>76703440
Nearly all of these philosophies are. Nietsche describes it as ugly philosophy created by ugly people. He has an entire section of a book where he describes why Socrates was a complete loser outcast and how it informed his philosophy. When you fail in life you tend to project failure onto everything

>>76703408
How bout them marriage and divorce rates?
You can pretend things are okay by pointing toward how cheap disposable consumer slop is, but that doesn't change the fact that the important things in life are harder to obtain than ever before

>>76703444
>u have le iphone so shut up
Just fuck housing, food, and transportation ammarite fellow doomscrollers.
Who needs a nice house with your hot wife cooking you nutritious foods while you work on your corvette, that's boomer shit.
I for one love living in ze pod and eating ze bugs

>>76703445
This was also the lowest voter turnout ages 18-25 in American history btw. By gender it was 16% women and 9% of eligible voting men. That's why it seemed like young men voted red more, because barely any showed up - really only those who held strong MAGA beliefs bothered. It was abyssmal. Young men especially have been proven to be less than human to politicians, but ultimately this is all Gen Z in general. When Obama ran 69% of Millenials in that same exact age bracket voted for context.

>>76703448
esp others?

>>76703457
You know you can put the phone away. Prosperity is about access and control in your life. There used to be famines now everyone has food. The true poor is constantly decreasing. The rich get richer and the poor get richer. There is no metric in which the world today is more difficult than that of the past. You can make cultural arguments but that's it

>>76703448
Nietzsche was also a loser which is why I don't take anything he says seriously.
It's actually a pretty big problem in my life, I can't find any role models worth listening to. Everyone is either a coping loser or evil coping that they aren't evil.

>>76703455
Entering the mind prison is a choice.

>>76703464
Except housing, the nutrition of food, and the cost of transportation when measured in median full time wages.
I'm glad whatever third world shithole you live in is finally getting out of poverty but the US is crumbling in real time because we keep importing you fuckers that can't do anything

>>76703466
Very true but what matters in life are the premises. And if the premise starts from a place of positivity and reality instead of loserdom and default negativism then there is value no matter the reality

>>76703460
>When Obama ran 69% of Millenials in that same exact age bracket voted for context.
I was an enthusiastic millennial college student who voted in Obama his first term. Looking back I laugh at how naive I was, although I still vote dem.
But I remember what a huge deal it was for us when he won the election. There were kids running around the quad yelling, we were pouring shots, we all cared.
Insane to me that Gen z just sits at home and does nothing.

>>76703455
Divorce rates are mostly Boomers and Gen X who married as teens and early 20-somethings divorcing in middle and senior age.

>>76703470
The US has doubled it's gap in median income adjusting for purchasing power over nearly every single Western European country in the past 10 years. Its GDP growth has been comparable to poor countries who you'd expect to be playing catch up. It is a monster and still monolithic. I have no interest in playing in your make believe cope world where you filter out anything that doesn't confirm your pathetic defeatist world view. Have fun playing in the CCP/Russian playpen they put you in baby. While others thrive you will suffer under the weight of your own delusional cope

>>76703476
When your choices are Kamala or Trump round 2 there's really nothing to get excited over. Both options are extending the status quo, just one with a focus on browns/w*men and the other for rich white male boomers.

>>76703481
>GDP
>Comparisons to Europe, which is also committing suicide
Lmao

We're still "rich" by comparison to our modern peers, but compared to previous gens the essentials of life are clearly becoming unaffordable and now with unemployment rates for college grads exceeding those without a degree, there's no clear path out.

Any stats that only look at the total economy are disproportionately capturing the wealth consolidation of private equity, the AI boom, and Boomer's McMansions increasing in price. All of which work against the young in creating families which is why the country is facing a demographic crisis.

>>76703496
I specifically said Median income adjusting for purchasing power. I hate this argument because youve clearly put walls up around you. You basically have the redditors view of the world. Go outside and observe all these people going to work. Look at these black people from the hood going on all inclusive vacations to Mexico. Look at the cars they drive. Then go look at videos of 1980s New York or anywhere. Look at the Crack epidemic. Look at how many people have the money to be fat retards and order Uber eats and door dash at 200% of normal food prices. Its lifestyle creep that has convinced you that people are poorer. For people back in the day a dinner at McDonalds was a luxury and a splurge. Nowadays people eat $20 meals every night.

>>76703496
so a university degree is becoming worthless
Lmao

>>76703503
Consumer credit usage is also at ATHs so observing what niggers are buying isn't a great metric for the actual health of an economy.

You're looking at it from the numbers they want you to look at so people keep consoooming, I'm telling you where to find the actual numbers that matter to real people.

>>76703504
It's funny that you think that's funny when that is literally a prime indicator that a country is on a precipitous downward slope. We literally mocked Greece and Italy for this very thing right before their economies collapsed, it's an actual economic indicator described as a sign of a failing economy

>>76703444
>>76703437
you have been handed everything and havent had to work for a thing.
Lifting is probably the first thing you had to work for and even then you're probably on trt at the least

>>76703503
> Look at these black people from the hood going on all inclusive vacations to Mexico. Look at the cars they drive. Then go look at videos of 1980s New York or anywhere. Look at the Crack epidemic. Look at how many people have the money to be fat retards and order Uber eats and door dash at 200% of normal food prices.
you ever hear of credit cards retard?
more and more debt commericals exist in 2025 for a reason

>>76703513
interesting

>>76703518
You think boomers didn't max out credit cards like crazy? They had them for every single store they went to. The poor live in relative historical luxury instead of surviving. This is a world wide trend. Why are you so defensive to good news? Because it interferes with your narrative that your personal failures are the universes fault?

>>76703341 (OP)
>hustle culture
If any aspect of your worldview is based on roody poo culture that’s a huge red flag

>>76703478
Source: My ass

>>76703522
im not that anon spewing about universities
you're still retard and only re-enforce your stupidity by thinking everyone on this website is the same person

>>76703515
Your life is easier than that of literally every single ancestor of yours yet you refuse to see how insanely privileged you are. You are genuinely just a pathetic, whiny bitch

>>76703535
dude you're crying on 4chan about stoicism.
The only whiny bitch here is you

>>76703525
The modern "stoicism" is twisted to promote hustle culture, its a misinterpretation.
>>76703531
Me?

Why would i take life advice from a guy who had his wife railed by gladiators on a daily basis lmao

>>76703542
I'm not crying, I'm laughing at you

>>76703408
>>76703455
check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPty8rM5bTw

>>76703554
you made an entire thread whining about stoicism and the classic "im right you're wrong and stupid" argument.
The only people taking this thread seriously are people as young as you are

>>76703551
There's no evidence that his wife actually cheated and it was pretty common to spread such rumors about your political opponents in that time

>>76703567
I made that thread.

>>76703470
>Except housing, the nutrition of food, and the cost of transportation when measured in median full time wages.
I'm glad whatever third world shithole you live in is finally getting out of poverty but the US is crumbling in real time
absolutely correct
>because we keep importing you fuckers that can't do anything
i don't think so. the broken immigration system was a way for us to have a servile class without slavery. all the great empires had a servile class usually fed through conquest and slavery, but we have people leaping to join our servile class. but racist assholes who can't handle seeing different skin colors in the upper classes voted in some asshole hell bent on a new world order and ending the pax americana. servile classes need an avenue for escape to keep them believing in the state.
>"yay, white people get to mow lawns and clean toilets again!"
but hey, I guess it's great that we don't have to worry about improving the lives of anyone but us anymore. that's sure working out great so far!

getting fit, lifting weights, eating well, etc are self improvement endeavors that are jumping off points for some into improving their life and their mindset that promote masculinity which young men have been robbed of in society and told is evil. ideals of masculinity now hardly exist so people look to philosophies and ways of living to be the man they idealize, overall a good thing.

>>76703531
>>76703542
The irony is that wasn't me. That was his first post in the thread

>>76703574
Can you point to any other political figure from the exact time period who had similar accusations

>>76703551
If your first thought is to equate stoicism with Aurelius and not Seneca or Epictetus, you're a midwit, redditbrain retard.

>>76703341 (OP)
>That have misogynistic viewpoints
Painting with pretty broad strokes, there, brainlet

>>76703582
>we need a servile class of browns to do shit for us
>damn racists don't want that to happen :(((

>>76703530
Stop falling for demotivational propaganda.

>>76703341 (OP)
>These days
the "modern" bastardization of stoicism is almost as old as stoicism itself.
more often than not, people just co-opt the label as an excuse for being anti-social autists that avoid anything that makes them Feel.
>>76703388
misogyny, like all prejudices and bigotries, requires a profound degree of mental retardation. it's a way to kneecap your intellect, born out of either willful cowardice or a fundamental lack of civility.

>>76703455
Divorce rate plummets if you separate out the boomer cunts that are divorcing for the second, third, fourth, etc. time.
t. married my "high school sweetheart," been together almost 15 years, not even the slightest hint of dissatisfaction in our marriage

>>76703632
>masculinity which young men have been robbed of in society and told is evil.
this doesn't actually happen, redpilloids are just retards that demand you agree that the windmills are actually giants that need slaying.
aimless, definitionally Quixotic tripe for self-hating degenerates.

>>76703632
Calisthenics is better if you are not able to afford to go to gym or buy weights.
>>76703661
He is not saying all people that follow Stoicism are misogynistic, what he is saying is that the modern trend of stoicism "broicism" is promoted by misogynistic grifters and embraced by manchildren
>>76703684
Exactly, your intelligence is lower if you hold prejudice, its a form of dogmatism

>>76703445
>> if you vote they fear you, you can fire them
lol, lmao

>>76703768
Hahaha this guy doesn't know how voting works, must be a Gen Z. Genuinely shocking to me that they're too retarded to understand this simple concept

>>76703744
>Calisthenics is better if you are not able to afford to go to gym or buy weights.
ok I agree what does that have to do with anything I said?

>>76703668
That's not the divorce rate for each age bracket, that's the prevalence of divorced people

Across age brackets, the *divorce rate* is highest for younger people even though the *prevalence of divorce* (i.e. your odds of having been divorced before, irrespective of whether you got married) increases with age

Although your chart shows divorce prevalence, you can still get a sense for the divorce rate by noticing that the lines are going up across all age brackets except for 18-35, whose flatness can be explained by the fact that fewer young people are getting married. Fewer marriages mean fewer divorces. But the ones who *do* choose to get married are divorcing at a higher *rate*. So those two effects roughly cancel out when measuring the *prevalence* of divorce for that one age bracket

tl;dr the chart shows the opposite of what you think it does

>>76703341 (OP)
Stoicism's great, but exactly where is it a trend in Gen Z fitness? It's promoting hustle culture? How? I've never heard of this and the thread is filled with spiritual boomers instead of addressing it.
>>76703391
yes: https://youtu.be/k2V3NrvThlg?t=118

>>76703644
I'm no historian but I do know that the wives of Claudius and Augustus were frequently accused of cheating and secretly controlling their husbands by political opponents.

Also, Aurelius himself only wrote positive things about his wife in his personal, private texts that he never meant for anyone else to see

>>76703785
Calisthenics is self improvement that you didnt include

less of a need to overcompensate

Broicism caters to angry young men, mostly, and it promotes stuff like becoming emotionless, putting your own interests first, and being an “Alpha Male” (whatever that is).

It also tosses in a bit of misogyny and body-building, for some weird reason.

That’s the opposite of Stoicism. These “broicism” guys are selling stuff to angry young men who want to hear that the way they’re acting is okay. And they buy their books and all this stuff.

>>76703657
I feel that you are considerably more reddit than anyone itt if you care about this shit but w/e
also
>teh epic-tetus
lmao

>>76703445
>>76703460
>>76703476
>>76703768
>>76703776
>18-24* year old adults are 9.1% of the US population and made up 13% of voters
>31,000,000 people and 21,000,000 voted
I love when people who understand nothing about epidemiology, statistics, or demographics just make shit up because then I can just type out a paragraph or 2 and make them look stupid
Also Trump won in 2024 because 18-24 year old voters and 25-29 year old voters swung nearly "32% to the right on net" and "27% to the right on net" respectively meaning the margin of victory Biden won 18-24 year old adults was significantly larger than Kamala won them by
>D+37% in 2020
>D+8% in 2024
one of three things seriously wrong with your post
one even if we counted 25 year old adults there would've only been 35,000,000 18 to 25 year old adults in total in all of the USA in 2024
second where did you get that zoomer turnout was only 13%? That would make college aged voters only 3.4% of voters in 2024 and they were 13% of voters
Finally what does this have to do with younger gym bros being "stoic" and what does it have to with fitness?

>>76703341 (OP)
All the supposedly "great" philosophers were just a bunch of schizo wordcels. Their various crackpot ideas about how the mind works NEVER match up to science.

>>76703476
>>76703482
>>76703535
Why do White liberals believe this nonsense so steadfastly? A job that started out at $6.00 in 1984 is equivalent to a job that starts out at $21 an hour today
A job that started at $12 an hour in 2005 would be nearly $25 dollars an hour today
Homes cost no more than $300,000 and no less than $120,000 unless you lived in a shithole or the middle of nowhere which none of you did
You had homogenous stable suburbs even the densest of suburbs in Michigan, Maryland, New York, Illinois, and California etc.
White Millennials were even able to move back to the "hood" during the "great recession" because of how cheap housing got in those "hoods"
A new Nissan Altima was $10,000 now it's $40,000 grand and only under Zion Don has there been any actual net real wage growth and it's still equivalent to pennies

>>76703341 (OP)
Men are designed to have internalized misogyny. Acting it out in the open and in public is the problem. Women are meant to be kept in line through silent strength of the father/uncles/grandfathers but once you verbalize it to them you lose all power and give away the game which causes women to fight back which is natural human nature

>>76703341 (OP)
when your future's been stolen from you and the world around you is being destroyed- calm, reasoned stoicism is the only thing you can rely on.

>>76704165
Nigger, what are you yapping about

>>76703445
Gen Z is just another Forgotten Generation or Gen X and will never be remembered for anything but shitty nihilism and pluralism. Us millennials are the new cringy boomers now, but we'll actually rule the planet when Gen Z gets left without a single US president like Gen X got.

>>76704223
here is the TLDR
Anon lied about zoomer voting patterns
Millennials are just like baby boomers but instead of being 82% White when they were young they were 62% White

I have literally been reading about stoicism in 2016, why do gen z constantly try to reinvent the wheel? Lifting + stoicism goes hand in hand but the final redpill after me being 10 years into /lit/ is finding God and stop coping with anything else

Ephesians 4:5 ‘"one Lord, one faith, one baptism"

>>76704238
>cringy millennials
I actually agree with this, we were the most greedy and pussy ass gen that ever existed

>>76704253
Maybe you were into stomp clap hey music, ironic moustaches and social justice activism, but many of us weren't.

>>76703341 (OP)
Marcus Aurelius wife was constantly sleeping with other men. Her favorite was a gladiator and the emperor had his soldiers kill him and then had sex with his wife.
Just stoic things

>>76703408
things are not as shit as they could be. Then when you do something to pull yourself up, the thing you do may still not succeed and you also have anxiety about failure as you're still pulling yourself out.
It's not an hopeless situation but life was easier in the 80s and 90s and 00s anyway. I was there. We saw how good things could be that's why it's hard coping despite thing not being that bad.

>>76704270
I often forget that there's children here that cannot remember anything before the coof, never mind the 90s
The hubris to tell an old man that he's wrong about a time you didn't live through is still annoying as shit though.

>>76704267
Yeah white culture is degenerate lol.
>>76703341 (OP)
Gen Z Fitness should embrace OG Islam. The Quran promoted exercise and strength. A strong Muslim is better than a weak Muslim.

they're all depressed incel losers so they cope and say it's because they're "stoic"

>>76703814
>the thread is filled with spiritual boomers
fit is full of white boomers

>>76703684
Does that apply to all prejudices? Racism, antisemitism, heightism, weightism, etc.?

>>76704305
I'm 39 and was raised with church, sports, hard labour, the military, dad's folk and prog albums from the 60's and the 70's and no TV. For all intents and purposes I am a boomer and I'm not shamed of it one bit.

>>76704297
Islam is about submission and dogma, Christianity is about reason and liberty. I know which I choose by the fruits of their tree.

>>76704352
Also the bible encourages physical activity aswell. 1 Timothy 4:8

>>76704360
Also the mindset of the stronger and firstborn always being better is just unbiblical. Esau was a hunting truchad and Isac's favorite and Jacob was a sneaky mommy's basedboy a>>76704360
Also the mindset of the stronger and firstborn always being better is just unbiblical. Esau was a hunting truchad and Abraham's favorite and Jacob was a sneaky mommy's basedboy and guess who inherited Isac? The Bible is full of alpha chads and party boys falling from their high horses and coming sulking back.

>>76704386
Sry, copypaste and edit fail.

>>76704352
Christians say that exercise is vanity, so i dont trust christian advice

>>76704393
Vainglory like looksmaxxing might be considered bad but the Bible says in some Paul's letter that everything is permitted to you but not everything's good for you. The Bible also talks about treating your body as a temple and punishing it.

>>76704393
Well if you go around naked posing of course it's vanity and whatever doesn't lead to God it's a waste of time. But read 1 Timothy 4:8. It's all about using the tools God gave you wisely. Now go lift

>>76704386
>Jacob was a sneaky mommy's basedboy
Romans 9:10–13

>>76704401
ok the temple i can see that it can be interpreted as exercising is good for you
but the bible explicitly says physical training is not as important as spiritual training lol.......so the bible says being an out of shape christian with strong spiritual training is better than being a in shape christian lol.

>>76704417
>being an out of shape christian
There's no such thing because gluttony is a sin. You can't be christian and out of shape.

>>76704429
You're not going to hell for being fat, but it's bad for you.

>>76703408
the peace is not universally good, it promotes bad values, people get complacent and modern life itself has plenty of awful parts that our tribal brain just cannot comprehend. We get more information in a single day than our ancestors did in entire year. Our ancient DNA is not built to live like this without plethora of drawbacks

>>76703341 (OP)
OP is a woman

>>76703341 (OP)
What is the alternative? To refuse to accept that you can loose everything? To let your feelings guide you? To obsess over that which you cannot control?

>>76704557
> that which you cannot control
We can't make the sun rise in the west, but many more human questions are more muddy. Often there is at least some influence possible. Or there may be a way to control something that you only realize by obsessing with it.
Even death seems to be in question these days.

Broicism caters to angry young men, mostly, and it promotes stuff like becoming emotionless, putting your own interests first, and being an “Alpha Male” (whatever that is).

It also tosses in a bit of misogyny and body-building, for some weird reason.

That’s the opposite of Stoicism. These “broicism” guys are selling stuff to angry young men who want to hear that the way they’re acting is okay. And they buy their books and all this stuff
>>76704557

>>76704557
Islam

>>76704637
I think that is the difference between stoicism and nihilism. A nihilist would say, oh nothing I do matters, so I can do whatever I want or nothing at all. A true "stoic" would still be bound to the pursuit of virtue, which sometimes will correlate with the bearing of fruit. Both sides would agree though, that it is fruitless to obsess over something like Stacy loving you (She only dates 6'3 guys)

Women are perfect and change is bad.
Men are evil and need to constantly change.

>>76703408
Please put uranium rods in your urethra.

>>76703445
Nigger I literally couldnt care less about politics lmao this country has been entrenched in a two party system for 150 years to think that voting for one half of a machine for its other is going to change anything is obscene. I understand fully im as bad as the people who are zealous about their parties but its less effort to ignore the noise and doing anything else but vote. I would like to see an Independent ruffle some feathers but I highly doubt we'll see anyone like that who can do that and change the things that need to be changed.

>>76705199
There was a Civil War in the 1800s, anything can happen.

I have yet to meet someone who actually understand what stoicism means. When you look more into it it's literally the mirrored form of slave morality, not the opposite but a reflection of it. Depending on the context that is.

>>76703401
>it's a form of dogmatism
not necessarily

>>76703408
The times are not comfortable while they remain comfortable for my enemies.

>>76703341 (OP)
Yeah.
You'll own nothing, work 18 hours for Amazon and get stabbed in a walkable city. Be happy bb.

Just do the things that your best self would do and be as close to 100% focus and dedication in whatever you want and need to do in that moment. Yeah, you can listen to music if it gets you in the flow, but listen to music your ideal self would.
Yeah, you can play videogames if you can't do activities that work your brain irl, but only if you try to improve and for the sake of being better (because you can't afford to, say, play sports for a while, so your reactions skills diminish otherwise. Think of TV watching boomers being zombies)
Yeah have barely-friends, but if they help you in need and you build a network
Be smart. That's the whole point and extremist, orthodox religious doctrine-like stuff just makes you a coping, loserfaggot. But autismos can't have that.
Literally noone successful eats chicken, rice and broccoli every day and then works for someone else until they become Elon Musk. Or if they kind of do they retire and start living a shitty, superficial idea of a rockstar life to cope. And then they hang themselves jacking off.
Build your ideal life by being your ideal self. Listen to your demons and learn from them so you never follow their advice. You never eat a whole cake for no reason, you never get wasted drunk, you don't change a meaningful relationship and kids for sleeping around. Build a community. Make the world better. Fight evil. That's it.
Be a plumber or a president. It doesn't matter.
But is hard to sell that.

>stoicism mentioned
>nobody talking about the king of modern stoicism

>>76704352
Christianity is and has always been about dogma and submission. Your shitty jew cult literally ethnic cleansed Europe's native folk religions and put it in law to murder people for their ancestral culture.
That said, Islam is in no way tangibly better or worse.

>>76705634
>ancient stoics
>wives got fucked by poor people and had spaz-out emotional overreactions over it
>modern stoics
>wives get fucked by poor people and have spaz-out emotional overreactions over it
pottery

>>76705738
They were fucked by warriors lol.

>>76705741
Hasan is a warrior

>>76703408
Maximising prosperity and comfort, it seems, is not the ideal human lifestyle.

>>76705748
Constantinople will not fall.

>>76703341 (OP)
Because it's easy access philosophy that anyone can understand and try and implement into their life. It doesn't require you to think too much to understand it and because of this, it's easy as fuck to market and make money from by grifters.
Not to discredit stoicism, though.
It's a good philosophy and the cornerstone for a lot of interesting, more in depth concepts.

>>76703388
Its brown coded

>>76705748
Hasan cant even throw a punch

>>76703466
>Nietzsche was also a loser
Bro read his biography
Nietzsche was a wunderkind, born in a rich family, became the youngest professor to hold a Chair of Classical Philology at any University ever, at 24, and basically all of his life was respect as among the greatest scholars in the fields he wrote in.
The only "loser" aspects of his life was his congenital bad health and the deterioration of his mental state in his later years.

>>76703644
Almost everything that is commonly known about Nero was written almost a century later by his political enemies after the Senate shat on him for removing some of their powers.
Same for Caligula.

>>76703341 (OP)
stoicism is just a reaction against how blackpilled the world has become

>>76704253
>find God
>stop coping
Guys, who's gonna tell him?

>>76704352
>Christianity is about reason and liberty
"My dogma is about being free and reasonable! NO DON'T DO THAT OR SAY THAT OR THINK THAT OR YOU'LL BURN FOREVER IN HELL!"

>>76706930
Academic philosophy accolades in one's youth don't impress me as I was also le boy genius.
He wrote some books and impressed some pseuds, big deal. He didn't DO anything and died a empty shell which is the exact fate I'm looking to philosophy to avoid.

>>76706963
>He didn't DO anything
Nigger, can you list some impressive accomplishments that will make you wet?
Or some impressive people?

>>76703341 (OP)
There's a lot of things happening politically, socially, economically, etc. that is well outside of their control and sphere of influence + continuous dominance hierarchy meme astroturfing for the last 10 years or so.

>>76703341 (OP)
Stoicism is basically cope for sucking up and taking it when things are shit and pretending that it makes you badass. As expected from a man whose wife constantly cheated on him and was addicted to drugs to alleviate the stress of watching his empire fall to pieces despite his best efforts.

>>76703341 (OP)
It's pronounced stoyk

>>76705615
This is why I love 4chan

High effort post, will go into the wind and lost forever. With only a few anons to learn from it

>>76703341 (OP)
>>76705615
>a meaningful relationship
>Build a community
>Make the world better
Slave mentality
Listen to me, OP
Find the God that you hold sacred and kill it. You need to kill God to be born, like the little bird needs to destroy the egg to know the world. The egg is the world to the bird, and to know the world it has to destroy its world. Just like you, you're still in the egg, the God, the sacred, the chain that binds you, you have to kill it or suffer the collar.
You still have to be born.
Kill your God, it's an old God, and the old God is for children; you need a young God to be born a Man, for the young God is for the grown man; kill the old God, you'll break the egg and from the corpse of the old God will the young God will be born; and because it's young and you're a grown man who broke the egg, you'll be master and will have power over your God.

>>76703341 (OP)
Because it was memed by millenials for ages and zoomers took it as gospel.

>>76706968
Going to the moon, splitting the atom, discovering the noble gasses, setting flight, winning the Isle of Man TT.
No philosophers DO anything, and the people who actually DO shit are all fucking crazy/autistic so their lives are still miserable.

There's no one with any answers because there aren't any.
I HATE THE DEMIURGE

>>76707070
>>76707388
/x/ gets the nicest digits, so you know they know.
Yet, after doing blood sacrifices for a while, you return to >>76705615
Which includes what was posted there. Doing what you have to do, being who you need to accomplish that.
It's what happens when you find the right path. You wander, learn, and come back.
But now you woodwork with Tzeentch and want to grill.

>>76703341 (OP)
>Oofy doofy cope in this thread
No. No, I don't think I will. The out of touch boomers here will have their reckoning. This time we're living is objectively worse than the past. Just because we can technically buy a ferrari doesn't mean it's good. Complete retardation. And you know these boomers believe in religion and all that jazz. Hell awaits them at the end. Fools.

>>76703341 (OP)
Stoicism is a great cope for cowards who want to dress up their inaction as self discipline.

Guys read Meditations like it will turn them into something better. It doesn't, it's positivity slop that doesn't lead anywhere, but it feels like a good and wise thing to do.

>>76708393
Waste of time to write and to read, why even bother

>>76703341 (OP)
some of the shit is cringy, but some of the general stoic motivation videos inspire me to work out.

once in a while I look up shit like "fitness inspiration video games" and- nevermind i'm sounding really autistic right now i will just end it here

>>76703408
who cares about comfortable trinkets and ipad tablets when nobody can even afford a house, nobody is getting married, nobody is having kids, and the dating market is completely fucked for 95% of men.

>>76708719
Hylics
As long as they have food and can watch Rick and Morty you can rape them 10x a day and they'll thank you for relieving their constipation