Thread 76711614

I've always felt afraid of a confrontation because I lack the capability to defend myself so I'm thinking of taking up a martial art. I plan on fight a few amateur bouts as an adult when I get enough training. Also would the people there discriminate against me for being muscular?

>>76711614 (OP)
Muay Thai

You better be really young if you want to stand a chance at competitive fighting

>>76711635
I'm 23(which I assume is old for fighting), I don't plan on being competitive, I just want to have experience in a serious fight and win a few

Thai Chi

>>76711614 (OP)
boxing is for niggers in the US. dont go to a boxing gym, they will give you concussions and think its funny.
for regional MMA you should focus on Muay Thai and BJJ. there are tons of MMA gyms now that offer multiple disciplines. if you just want to feel more capable literally any martial art will do you good.
MT is good because the culture tends to be more chill. bjj is good because its prevalent and has a competitive scene that is easy to get into.
>>76711638
23 is not old to get into fighting. pro fighting out of my gym is 26 and started at 22. he is in talks to sign with the PFL after he finishes his regional contract.
do not tell your coach you plan on not being competitive, they wont take the time to train you for fighting if you tell them you don't want to fight

>>76711614 (OP)
Start developing your cardio. Big muscles are great, but they won't help you if you gas out after a minute. Fighting is extremely exhausting, and it's actually shocking how tired you can get in a minute

Hammer

>>76711614 (OP)
If you have no intention of being a professional fighter, you might want to consider how much damage to your body you're willing to accept.
Something like BJJ will likely leave you with some lifelong pain in your joints, and something like boxing WILL give you a certain amount of brain damage (even small sub-concussive impacts will start to add up very quickly).
IMO you can maximize fighting skill while minimizing damage by choosing a relatively safe martial art (for example judo) as your main, and only doing striking on bags and pads, and maybe some sparring without hitting the head, so you get to train technique (hopefully with a coach) without the brain damage, and only after a while you start actually sparring, reducing the time spent training in a brain-damaging way.
Furthermore, you can reduce the brain damage by sleeping a lot and taking Omega-3 and creatine (10 to 20 grams for the brain).

This is obviously not optimal if all you care about is maximizing fighting ability, but if brain damage is a concern, it might be worth it to accept the compromise.

Or you can just directly specialize in judo, which is by itself a pretty effective martial art in a self-defense context (and it comes with the advantage of letting you neutralize them without completely fucking them up, which is great if you want to avoid ruining your own life with legal trouble), and throwing people like John Wick is the sickest shit imaginable.

>>76711698
This is a great post, however I think that judo has a higher injury risk than BJJ. There's more instances of falling body weight, which is where a lot of injuries happen

>>76711614 (OP)
There is only one martial art that's been confirmed to work for self defense against 10+ simultaneous attackers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZueJTKUeNE
https://archive.org/details/20220327_20220327_1807
Every other answer is wrong.

>>76711698
>Something like BJJ will likely leave you with some lifelong pain in your joints, and something like boxing WILL give you a certain amount of brain damage (even small sub-concussive impacts will start to add up very quickly).
I can understand the concerns with BJJ but won't the sparring be light in the boxing?

>>76711722
>won't the sparring be light in the boxing?
no, boxing is for niggers dude. they feed noobs to amateur fighters. the coach will let you get concussed, give you a 30 second 10 count then send you back in to get a TBI. kek

>>76711709
It's true that "falling wrong" can lead to some pretty disastrous injuries, but the first thing they teach you is how to fall (at least they did at my school when I was a white belt 20 years ago), and accidents like that are pretty rare on tatami, even with the extreme throws you see in high level competitions.
BJJ on the other hand has you constantly get into submissions that stress your joints in a way that can result in cumulative damage that all of a sudden can turn into a very bad day (more like year). Especially in competitions, for the several obvious reasons.
It's common or even normal for BJJ practitioners to have some kind of unfixable problem with a knee/elbow/etc.
Of course if you're not going to be a pro, you may very well get to your black belt completely unharmed, or maybe to you a slight limp is an acceptable price for it. I'm absolutely not saying you should avoid BJJ; it's just something to keep in mind.

>>76711722
Any hit to the head will result in brain damage. Light sparring won't make you retarded after one session, but if you do it regularly for years you will, without a doubt, have some level of brain damage and a much higher chance of developing neurodegenerative diseases in your old age.

>>76711709
Judo has a way lower risk, due to 99% of Judo schools being affiliated with Olympic Judo. The way Judo is instructed in the US is far safer than almost all bjj gyms. >>76711741 is right about falling correct, and the tatami being safer. The Judo school I went to even utilized crash pads constantly for teaching trips and throws.
bjj attracts psychos who may take offense to something you accidentally did or say, then will crank a joint lock and cripple you for life. additionally bjj is taxing on the body even without psychos. I left bjj after getting my blue belt because during a lesson a student randomly destroyed a white belts knee just from going slightly too far in the technique.

>>76711762
Yeah a big portion of the BJJ crowd consists of bullied nerds who are getting an iota of physical superiority for the first time in their life. They don’t know how to handle aggression or slights in a way that isnt crazy and completely overkill. Its a testament to the effectiveness of BJJ that these kinds of people can even become dangerous, but it can be a rough place to train if the gym culture is bad.

>>76711741
>>76711762
BJJ actually does have a lower injury risk than judo:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4555620/

>The injury rates in competitive BJJ in our study were substantially lower than the injury rates reported for judo. Studies of injuries in judo competitions reported injury rates ranging from 25.2 to 130.6 per 1000 exposures.2,7,9,23 Judo competitors were most at risk for injuries affecting the upper extremities and resulting from grip fighting, being thrown, or attempting to throw.

That study only look at injury risk during competition, however

>>76711614 (OP)
Ignore every advice on this thread, the answer is boxing. BJJ works to get you out of bad situations, but you shouldn't get into a position where you are grappling with a drunk bigger guy. Muay Thai also works, but you shouldn't be kicking on a street fight, chances are you are gonna trip, get grabbed and put into another drunk grapple situation.

Boxing helps with spacing, keeps you into a safe situation aka upright and away from the drunk guy, risk of tripping and being grabbed are minimal and a couple of punches are enough to end most fights.

>>76711614 (OP)
You fight like you train
>if you box, you'll look to land punches
>if you kickbox, same but you might use kicks too
>if you grapple, you'll want to grab and throw/takedown, and perhaps control on the ground and apply a lock or choke
The point is that training any of the typical combat sports which are known to be effective, will equip you with the tools you need to fight capably, if you train with effort against resistance for a long time. Competing is a very important if not vital part of training, but just sparring/rolling/randori or whatever your chosen sport calls it will be good enough
So just pick the one that you try out and enjoy the most
>>76711638
23 is fine, no you aren't going to become a world champion, but yes you can have very fulfilling smokers and amateur fights if you want
Note that if you go out picking fights and get yourself into a knife or gun fight, you only have yourself to blame. For knives I recommend outboxing footwork to stay away until he gets bored and leaves. For guns I suggest running at him while he's shooting someone else and rugby tackling him.

>>76711818
Interesting, thank you.
I just did a quick skim through the studies cited for the judo injury data, and it seems that the bulk of those injuries are pretty minor, with all of them mentioning strains and abrasions/lacerations as the most common (one of them has strains and sprains together), while for BJJ orthopedic injuries were the most common, particularly at the elbow.

I'd have to actually read through them and compare the numbers for each injury type to reach an actual conclusion, but from this preliminary reading I'd still consider judo safer than BJJ, as I'd much rather pull a muscle trying to throw a guy than to have someone mess up my elbow.
With that said, it's also worth considering how much did the injured person's decisions play a role in their injuries?
Did the judokas not warm up properly (or lose too much weight, as one of the studies mentions) before the competition?
Did the BJJ practitioners wait too long before tapping (or decided to not tap at all for pride or whatever)?
In these cases, a martial artist who cares about injury prevention would be far less likely to get injured in these ways (as opposed to, for example, accidents that good practices won't let you avoid, or malicious opponents wanting to hurt you on purpose, as Anon mentioned above).

Boxing, wrestling, judo, kickboxing (including Thai boxing) and that’s about it

Everything else is sort of a meme. It isn’t to say that they aren’t worth doing or aren’t effective, but you have an infinitely larger group of freaks doing everything outside of those. BJJ in particular is effectively a cult

>>76711614 (OP)
In a streets it's boxing and it's not even close. Best distance control, best head movement, good belly defence, easiest to acquire muscle memory and instincts of moves and makes you the most aggressive of any other combat sport so they will actually kick in when it's time, best for fighting off multiple enemies because of good footwork and habit of covering large area in short time (other boxing styles are slower), best angle feel, by far the strongest punches and finally it translates very well into using blunt objects and cold weapons boxers go woodchopping to up their punch power because it's all the same kinetic chain.
For mma setting it's wrestling and it's not even close. Freestyle, greco or murican folkstyle doesn't matter, it's simply the most athletic sport that maxes out all physical atteibutes on top of wrestling being superior 1v1 duel combat sport.

>>76711638
>just want to have experience in a serious fight and win a few
You are very likely to die seeking out fights in modern times brotha. For example, me. I don't really play with the shits bro. I always carry, like most people. I would clap your little fuckass onto the pavement so god damn fast and leave you there, no remorse lol id also mag dump on you if my kids or parents were with me.
>HURR UR SO TUFF
No, I just don't play games and have an infringeable right to do so. You choose.

>>76711992
Are you russian by chance

>>76712025
georgian

>>76712033
same

>>76711860
Most boxing gyms are cardio mills though

>>76711614 (OP)
You want two. A striking art and a grappling art.
Then combine the styles at an MMA gym.

>>76712058
seems like there are lot of us on 4chan lately. wonder if it has something to do with tik tok

>>76711614 (OP)
I am unbelievably sick of this stupid fucking question. The answer is MMA, it always has been MMA and it always will be MMA. Taking the most useful aspects of each martial art and pressure testing them for 30 years in front of millions of people should make this answer obvious.
Don't give me your stupid bullshit of what ifs like "what if gun", "what if knife", "what if multiple attackers" etc. Those are all intangibles that don't address the original question of which martial art works best. The best of all of them put together, the complete package of striking grappling and footwork is miles ahead of just having one speciality.
Imagine you are dropped in the middle of the wilderness with no prior knowledge of where you are going and you get to pick one tool to bring. Would you rather pick a hyper specialised tool that only performs a few functions or a really high quality multi tool that has been proven to work in most situations?
My background is, BJJ, MMA, Wrestling, Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai and I love all of them for different reasons. If I had to pick only one to practice for the rest of my life it would be Muay Thai because the training is very satisfying and it won't ruin your body at the same rate the others will (you will still get injuries) but if I had to pick only one to learn for the purpose of self defence it would be MMA.

>>76711698

It's amazing how easily you can spot a redditard anywhere

>>76711635
>>76711661
I'm 25, do I still have time to fight as an amateur?

>>76712317
Real talk anon, unless you are destitute with no high school education, you shouldn't pursue a boxing career. There's plenty of other modalities and athletic pursuits that have better results and less consequences.

If you still wanna do it as a hobby, try to find a semi-serious boxing gym that has sparing, preferably a gym marketed towards white people, you can be a gym warrior and get a feel if you have what it takes.

>>76711614 (OP)
The first thing that you need to understand is how unbelievably helpless people really are, literally any martial art will work as long as they do sparring, if you go to an aikido gym where they spar, you will be able to use aikido against untrained individuals.

The second thing you need to understand is that your fear of confrontation comes from being afraid of pain, not being hurt, you are afraid of pain and that's completely normal, even pro fighters get scared because of the fear of pain, unless you are missing a part of your brain you can't really do anything about it but if you are afraid of pain, what happens when you know you can handle pain? You won't be afraid anymore.
For this i recommend specifically muay thai or karate kyokushin because both are huge on body conditioning, you'll be able to handle punches and kicks like nothing.
Just train your neck, if you can do neck curls and neck extensions with 20kg or more it will be really hard to knock you out.
Getting physically stronger is also great to help you manage pain.

Another source of fear is if you can't hurt them, not only learning to fight will fix this but getting athletic will make you punches and kicks more devastating so do weighted plyometrics, the heavier you can get the more power you will have, thus the easier it is to hurt others.

Basically pick, any martial art and get strong, the more physically capable you become both in technique and strength the less afraid you will be.
The only answer is training.

>>76712317
yes, but only fight like 3 times max. if you lose twice in a row just retire.
Muay Thai has a good amateur scene in the US, same with BJJ. I would avoid boxing and MMA. At the regional level, you are very likely to get a TBI from boxing/mma. Its not worth it if you just want to fight a few times for the experience.
If you can go to Thailand for a few months, go there and fight some other farang. Its a great experience.
BOXING IS FOR NIGGERS, I REPEAT BOXING IS FOR NIGGERS
DO NOT LISTEN TO >>76712373 THIS ANON.
Boxing coaches dont give a fuck about you beyond money. In sparring they will feed you to an experience amateur/pro. They will give you a concussion, give you a 30 second 10 count then have you continue to fight.
unironically the best way to learn boxing for normies is to just join a cardio boxing gym that has a former fighter as a coach with no sparring.

>>76711614 (OP)
Boxing.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bu_WQUWnRUI

if you want a "quick and easy" path to defending yourself, you should increase your cardio. and save money to move elsewhere.
the fact is you could train for a year and still get smoked by an amateur like me, it's not worth it. buy a gun.

>>76711614 (OP)
Boxing

>>76712033
>>76712058
Based, friend of mine just came back from georgia, he said it was absolutely beautiful

>>76712033
>>76712058
Is the Georgian government "scary"?
I bought a web domain that might be interpreted as being an official Georgian domain, and there's a good chance that they might be interested in it.
Are they going to kill me (I'm in the EU) for it, or are they going to be chill and offer to buy it?

>>76711614 (OP)
I wanna be so good at boxing/kb that i can just destroy someone before they can even wrestle which I suck at. Ive been training martial arts since 8yo anyways why even train grappling beyond to be good enough to defend against someone elite?
>ufc hw backup plan for career

>>76712439
why is boxing for nigs in the us? can nigs take punches better or what?

>>76712955
Nigs can't become more retarded from brain damage.

>>76711860
Muay thai also teaches boxing and clinching which is more useful

>>76711614 (OP)
Why does everyone keep asking this question? It's the same thing every time...

Headbutting niggers.
One time a dude wanted to force priority on a roundabout but I accelerated enough to block him and that dude went ape shit so I flipped him laughing my ass off. After driving from the roundabout that dude had passed me, stopped and went out of his car. I did the same cause he was smaller than me and I felt that if shit goes real I will destroy him. When I was close enough to say something like "come at me bro" he headbutted me without even saying a word. He dislocated my nose, my upper lip was busted in half. The whole thing took like 0,3 seconds.
Many years later I was on a bachelor party in some asg facility and got shitfaced and some dude was talking shit on me all the time, wanted to go one on one with me. Dude was 6,3ish and looked like he worked on a farm - builtfat vs me, 6,0.
I was with my lads so I thought "fuck it, if he gonna trash me, they'll come for me". We went outside the facility and just as we took a foot outside he started punching me like a retard and pushed me against the brick wall. I had no chance but he was close enough, so I grabbed him by his ears and wham! first headbutt. Wham! Second one! I saw fear in his eyes and that's when I knew I have a chance. I started to whack his dumb face and after a couple of blows he bent, supporting his torso by proping oneself up. I grabbed his head and smashed a knee and nigga went down. His younger brother said that he's done, called his colleague to come pick them up, and after that my crew and his crew had a round of shots to bury the hatchet.
Another time I went to a Despised Icon concert and there was a retard who instead of moshing went there just to fuck some niggas up. He intentionally punched some smaller kids who just went to enjoy the show so I drew his attention and said to him he should chill. That nigger slapped my beer out of my hand and spilled it all over me and my girl, and I immediately headbutted him and dude went down in an instant. Headbutting is god tier.

>>76713404
Here it is.

>>76713700
Oops. Wrong file.

>>76713654
And then you meet someone who can fight

>>76711614 (OP)
What kind of fights?

>>76711614 (OP)
MMA, if you count it as a style.
Otherwise you need one striking and one grappling. Three months each of boxing and judo will put you above +95% of people skill wise.

>>76711690
Brick.

>>76711614 (OP)
Muay thai+bjj/wrestling/judo

>>76711635
It helps but its easy to surpass someone through intelligent training, who do you think they are a living god?

First off god is omnipotent but not tangible, fuckin retard.

>>76713730
Imagine how much better brock would be if he knew how to throw a punch

>>76711614 (OP)
Street fights? Keep yourself decently fit and then whenever there's a fight coming do the following.
>Avoid
Obviously, the best way to win a fight is not get into a fight. before you think "how can I beat this dude" your first thought should be "how can I avoid fighting this dude?" But obviously, sometimes a fight is unavoidable so for that there's step 2:
>run
Keep good cardio and whenever a fight is about to break out, run like a motherfucker. Make sure you can hop fences in full sprint. Yeah, knowing martial arts to protect your body is great, but you know what protects your body even better than an elbow block? Half a mile of distance.
"But anon, what if I'm cornered, what if there's no way to run, what if the guy won't accept a blowie to not beat me up?" Alright, honestly you should never find yourself in a situation where fighting is the only option, but lets say it happens, here's the last step:
>fight dirty
Kick him in the balls as hard as you can. If he comes close enough, fucking bite him. Gauge his eyes. Got something heavy? Hit his fucking knees. All that matters in a fight is to end the fight without getting fucked up.
>I plan on fight a few amateur bouts as an adult when I get enough training.
Don't. Fighting as a sport is just trading future misery for temporary dopamine. It's not fucking worth it. And as an amateur you won't even be paid well for your future life long fight injuries.
Why do you think so many great boxers started as poor black kids? Because blacks are just inherently better at beating people up? No, they just were the fucking poorest fuckers in society, with no fucking prospects in life. So you can tell them "hey, if you farm some concussions for me, I'll give you a lot of money" and it's worth it for them. The few who weren't poor as shit usually came from boxing families.
It sounds retarded but you really should see "should I get into fighting?" the same way you see: "Should I get into heavy alcoholism?"

>>76713752
And then I stab him and he bleeds out. Self defence, case cleared.

>>76711614 (OP)
Martial arts are retarded unless you're in a noguns country or a security guard/cop.
Better to be carry a weapon, be really strong, and have good cardio, in that order.
>deescalation and situational awareness are more important than knowing how to fight (being yoked and scary looking is a passive deescalation technique)
>pay $300 a month and waste countless hours to learn how to put people in an arm bar just to get stabbed or shot by an untrained socioeconomic factors person
>you will be in better shape than the average joe and would be able to beat them in a physical confrontation, assuming both untrained
>if they're too big to manhandle or overpower, get the fuck away from them or use weapon
I would argue as long as you're strong and know how to throw a punch, you can handle yourself in 99.9% of potential dangerous situations.

>>76711614 (OP)
gun

>>76711614 (OP)
Dirty boxing will get you proficient in the shortest time. you don't get gatekept by belts or tournaments, it has probably the most effective, sophisticated and varied training, and you will be so conditioned you can just outrun anyone you can't beat

>>76711614 (OP)
Hot cup of coffee

>>76713013
You are right anon, but I feel finding a good Muay Thai class, with a professor from a good lineage, that really teaches the fine details of Muay Thai clinching is very very hard. Most of the places you will be learning a lot of kicking, more so than punching in a sport that is 70% kicking anyway.

Alternatively, an ok boxing gym is easy to find.

>>76715803
Kyokoshin honestly seems sick imagine how cool itd be to be able to break like 6 boards with a punch.

>>76711614 (OP)
>What is the best martial art for winning fights?
Actual fights or sports matches. The latter obviously depends on the sport you wanna do. Actual figths depends on where you are from, the "unarmed close combat street violence level" in the US is low, but in Europe, it's high. A normal combat sport won't help you in Europe, but it's more than enough in the US.

>>76715803
Why do people keep saying BJJ is for rich people? Where I live the lessons cost literally as much as the other martial arts like boxing, TKD, judo.

>>76711818
That's competitive though, not McDojos

>>76711963
Finding a wrestling gym outside of being in high school or vollege is nigh impossible though.

>>76716052
Prices definitely vary by region, but BJJ was started by a white collar family, and market towards wealthier people. It was a martial art for the upper class, because boxing is done by the lower class. Today, there seems to be a higher percentage of white collar office workers that do BJJ instead of other martial arts. Go into a BJJ gym and it will be full of white accountants in their 30s and 40s, go to a boxing gym and it will be full of Mexican teenagers

>>76715757
Sauce?

>>76715803
I love flow charts so much, bros.

>>76716073
Same, we're both autistic

>>76715803
lol not even a gun, just a straight up PIPE BOMB. Even street fighters are suffering from inflation now

>>76716052
Probably because you had to pay for belt exams and shit plus class fees. Not that any working adult would have trouble with that.

>>76712955
There's always been the belief it'll get them out of the 'hood or a better life.
It's crazy once you realize how many boxers there are and how little attention they receive.
Same goes for all the guys who think they're going to get into the NBA or NFL when they can barely attend community college, this is while pro athletes usually come from well known universities.

>>76715803
Nice crop, faggot.

>>76716374
Hello newfriend :)

>>76716443
>newfriend
2017

>>76716377
I've never known any bjj gym to have belt exams let alone one you pay for. That said I've never trained at a Gracie Barra and that sounds like the kind of mcdojo shit theyd do
Belts are retarded anyway, especially in bjj where it isn't even based off you demonstrating specific criteria like other martial arts, it's just when your coach thinks your ready, so the level between people from different schools with the same belt can vary massively
But yeah belts are retarded, a competition blue belt will smash hobbyist upper belts most of the time

>>76716453
QED

>>76716538
>QED
Not only do I not know what that is supposed to mean, I also do not care. Bye.

>>76714624
Everyone says you need to do judo for years 5 times a week to be effective

>>76715114
>Kick him in the balls as hard as you can. If he comes close enough, fucking bite him. Gauge his eyes. Got something heavy? Hit his fucking knees.

It doesn't work like that. I know you think it does, but it doesn't

The human opponent body moves very quickly and it's difficult to hit the vitals. post ONE street altercation where the attacker gets hit in the balls and gives up

Never. Never seen it

You need to aim for the bit parts like head, legs, body. Head punches , leg kicks

Or grapple as you have full control

What you're saying is like "shoot the gun out of his hand bro"

>>76715114
>Fighting as a sport is just trading future misery for temporary dopamine.

Nah. Fight once or twice to get a feeling of victory. There's no better feeling or memories of you dominating someone in fair battle

>B-but muh CTE

lmfao, shut up pussy coper. You won't get cte from that. Do you want to be that old boring guy with no good memories of where you did something in life?

Fighting is the most prestigious and respectable thing in this world. It's also the hardest and yeah your health can be at risk like any other contact sport. It's worth it though.

People might be richer or have more education, but if theres someone around who can put you in a choke hold or knock your shit out at will, then he's the winner.

fighting depends on a few things.
explosive strength, cardiovascular endurance, weight, length, flexibility, and knowledge acquired from repetition. there are three positions in a fight: separated, standing clinch, grounded grappling.

>separated
shift and balance bodyweight between lead and rear leg. neutral stance rear leg dominant so you can pivot and move by stepping, defensive stance shift front into rear to block a strike, offensive stance shift rear into front to deliver a strike. in boxing there are boxers, brawlers and punchers, and typically it is a rock paper scissors situation. boxers look to always move, dodge strikes, bait out punches they can counter and hit without being hit. brawlers want to come forward, absorb punches and get in close, clinch, hit the body, land uppercuts and tough it out. punchers are a special rare case where the fighter was born with natural punching power without significant training, they typically have a very good sense of distance, timing and range so that they instinctively feel when they can land their best punch, which is usually a devastating ko with far above normal amount of power.
>boxer > brawler, can dance around them all night
>bawler > puncher, can close the distance and smother
>puncher > boxer, just needs one punch vs an opponent who is constantly moving

>standing clinch
unless you are a brawler, a standing clinch for both a puncher and a boxer is annoying. here sports like judo or muay thai which both prefer the clinch as valuable position are superior. vs a competent judoka once a clinch position is reached they will control their weight and yours and throw you to the ground effortlessly, and if they want they can spike you in such a way as to land you on your head. for muay thai fighting from the clinch means holding the thai plum and landing jumping knee strikes to the liver, ribs, solar plexus or breaking the plum position to throw twisting and spinning elbows to the temple and jaw.

>>76716660
>grounded grappling
here freestyle wrestling is king. a good wrestler can hold you down and strike at you with no defense. bjj is a meme sport with no offense off the back against a competent wrestler, style wise wrestling crushes all sports because it relies on never giving your opponent space. wrestlers train cock to ass all day, the goal is to shift your weight together, to feel your opponent move their body and pre-emptively move yours to hold them down on the ground. from there if headbutting is allowed the fight is instantly over as no human skull can absorb headbutts (forehead to midface, jaw, temple) from another skull for longer than a minute. if headbutting is not allowed then there are infinite ways for both fighters to stall the fight, with the wrestler on top having full control of what happens, and if they want they can just throw 500 small strikes to the body and head until the opponent on bottom quits from sheer exhaustion.


so as you can see, a brawling wrestler dominates in MMA until they match up against a puncher, where they run the risk of getting ktfo and looking like a bitch. for example, the two guys who are considered the best in the world current fighting in the UFC are Alex Pereira (boxer/puncher) and Magomed Ankalaev (bruiser/wrestler). In their first fight earlier this year Ankalaev closed the distance and effectively smothered Pereira for 5 rounds winning a dominant decision. In their rematch a few weeks ago Pereira made adjustments and chose to use his superior boxing to set up his punching, landing a knockdown early in the fight and ending it shortly after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RReu5WGhw4

these "rules" for fighting are not set in stone, but they are repeated often enough to be reliable guides.

>>76716696
forgot to add that since the puncher has real power in one or both hands he can knock out a boxer, a brawler, another puncher or anyone else (judo, kickboxer, bjj, wrestler, mt) so it's basically fucking broken if you are just born with this ability. and there is a hidden korean style called taekwondo which has the hardest possible kicks able to be generated by the human body, nobody outside of north korea even does this properly so it rarely comes up in professional fights. but in theory a puncher kicker who has perfected tkd kicks can punch and kick 5-10 times harder than any person can withstand, meaning they have a chance to beat anyone. then it becomes a cat and mouse game between the wrestler who cannot absorb any kick or punch and the puncher kicker who cannot miss even once or he gets taken down in the gap he has to reset his position, now being stuck on his back against the grappler and can no longer kick or punch so the fight is eventually going to end once he eats the headbutts. in earlier eras of MMA puncher kickers learned to stop takedowns and were very successful, until more elite wrestlers entered the sport and then it became a lot harder to counter them.

>example 540 kick pictured, (developed to knock out a horse)

>>76711762
Gracie Jiu Jitsu gyms are much safer. They're anal about safetie. Some might not like that, but it's a lot better than being crippled.

>>76716696
>>76716753
>freestyle wrestling
>has 0 submissions
>wrestlers in UFC literally wet blanket dudes for entire rounds
>bjj v wrestler matches
>bjj retards constantly tear and cripple wrestlers for life
based

>>76717104
Gracie Jiu Jitsu is also fake and gives a 70% chance of being molested by the coach

>>76717111
Thank you for the warning.
Could you please give us a detailed step by step description of what not to do if we don't want to be put in that situation?
Thank you and please be throrough.

>>76711614 (OP)
>martial arts
I don't really find that chink shit intimidating t b h
>boxing
Aesthetic and classic sport, but its only good for throwing punches
>mma
Ugly, savage, and animalistic shit.
The kicks and punches of someone who takes that shit seriously are impressive.

>>76717187
>if coach offers you free special lessons
say no
>if coach tells you that you have so much potential and should do 1 on 1 lessons with him at his home gym
say no
>if coach says he wants to teach you special shower jitsu techniques
say no
however if your coach is a hot women, maybe say yes.

>>76717111
Thats not a joke, whats tight shirt gonna do if someone cranks your shit? Have gay sex with them in the parking lot?

>>76711614 (OP)
Probably wanna not get overshadowed entirely in boxing, kickboxing, or wrestling in that order wrestling being the wild card because if you suck at it and domt know what theyre gonna do you could easily get your buttcheeks pounded in ive seen it.

>>76717203
What if it's a Brazilian man but he smells nice?