Thread 76789075

If solomon nelson and lyle mcdonalds are right...

Why do they have such mid physiques?
They dont even look like they lift, how do you end up training for years and years knowing everything needed to know and still stalling?

They're natty.

>>76789085
So what? I am natural and people still call me big

>>76789075 (OP)
Well, it's possible to actually have all the knowledge while being too lazy to apply it yourself. I've got a friend who used to play football in college and competed in powerlifting after, was insanely jacked and had legitimately elite numbers. Except he stopped training years ago and looks like an average fat guy who's never even been in a gym now. But his knowledge is still there, to this day we talk about lifting a lot and I ask him for advice, and whenever I've listened to him it's actually worked. He knows what to do but chooses not to do it himself

Maybe Solomon is just lazy like my friend, or has trash genetics

>>76789075 (OP)
bro looks better than 95% of fit lmao

>>76789093
post body, big boy

>>76789075 (OP)
They look great for average people of their respective ages bro not everyone can be Cbum. For a 50 year old retired guy lyle is a 10/10 and for a geeky academic Solomon is in the top 1%

>>76789075 (OP)
why didn't you post his physique, or yours?

>>76789093
Genetics.
I can outlift most people in my gym who are much bigger and yet I don’t look that big.

>>76789075 (OP)
Nelson is fit. Lyle is old.

>>76789075 (OP)
because the guy is a lawyer and Lyle is 50.

Whenever I see a bloated roidtranny, I think that it looks like they don't lift.
Literally that one spongebob episode physique.

>>76789075 (OP)
>>76789121
>>76789143
He weighs 73kg.

>>76789168
Which is 160lbs in freedom units. That's victim weight.

>>76789168
>>76789176
What's his height though? 160lbs can be a decent weight if he's a manlet

>>76789168
>>76789176
That's a normal weight for a lean, athletic male of average height. If you're significantly heavier than that and natty you're probably just fat.

>>76789143
Impressive

>>76789167
Such a great episode...

>>76789184
This

Everyone on the internet lying about their numbers has completely skewed most of this boards sense of reality. You constantly get guys 5'8" 160lbs claiming they're 6'0" 220lbs like it's fucking WWE, so now people who are too stupid to realise everyone is lying thinks 160lbs is skeletor tier and 220lbs is an average build

>>76789075 (OP)
That guy looks healthy and fit.

>>76789184
It's not.

>>76789184
The average height of an adult caucasian male is about 5'10", at that height, 160lbs 12%bf which is about ideal bodyfat level for both long term sustainability and hormonal profile, you would have only slightly above average FFMI. If you claim to be a fitness expert, and after a decade of training you only have a slightly above average FFMI, then you have no authority to speak on the topic. At the same height/bf%, a good height would be 15lbs more for someone advanced.

>>76789220
a good weight*

>>76789184
>>76789203
Twink DYEL cope.

>>76789220
>>76789229
Nobody cares about your optimal grindr build, women like men at 16-25% BF and there's nothing you can do.

>>76789183
i think he's 5'9

>>76789230
every ad on earth shows a guy with visible abs tho

>>76789230
>but what about the women
lol

>>76789190
>>76789203
Im not so much heavier, im about 84 kg, lean. But i look clearly bigger.

>>76789220
>slightly above average FFMI
Exactly, i.e. the natty limit
>>76789212
>>76789229
Post body then

>>76789143
wtf is he 5’3

>>76789276
>Exactly, i.e. the natty limit
What are you talking about? The average FFMI is 19-19.5. A 5'10" 160lbs 12%bf man has an FFMI 20.5. Natties with years of training have an FFMI of 22+, and the highest recorded FFMIs before steroids become mainstream were around 24ish.
This is turbo DYEL territory.

>>76789289
>the highest recorded FFMIs before steroids become mainstream were around 24ish
Yeah because they had exceptional genetics. Solomon has average skinny guy genetics. He would weigh like 140lbs at 15% bodyfat naturally

>>76789289
That jew Solomon is posting here unironically. He got butthurt in another thread and almost exposed himself.

This whole situation is so fucking hilarious. He's taking down another jew, while working with another jew, at the same time he tries to take down Nippard and shitposts here, gets butthurt for being called a twink cut jew. Almost gets a melty and he's still here.

KINO

>>76789304
>That jew Solomon is posting here unironically

He is probably just lurking every now and then, i dont think he has the time to actively post here... not that he even needs to since he's become the talk of the town in that specific fitness youtube niche... and i dont think he could ever be butt hurt just from reading some mean comments on this troll infested forum, keep in mind that he is now the target of actual threats from really nasty people.
The fit community likes to follow trends, who knows what is gonna be the next hot topic after this mess calms down?...

Also im clearly not a twink by the way.

>>76789353
I miss tomposting

>>76789168
>>76789176
How is this bad for a lean natty person?

>>76789353
He lurks here and made a video about this place years ago. Despite the reputation of this site, plenty of people come here. Even YT fags

>>76789304
>That jew Solomon is posting here unironically. He got butthurt in another thread and almost exposed himself.
and how is it bad? he's witty, cunning and wants to stir up shit, he embodies the old spirit of imageboards
I'm not surprised he lurks and I'm definitely not upset about this

>>76789573
He reviewed this place many years ago and said that its bad

>>76789389
Because that's not a whole lot of weight for an adult male unless you're short.

>>76789777
It's even worse now, basically "Green Reddit" but with only a quarter of the users.

>>76789168
Perfectly good weight for a natty. What is it with americans and thinking that 250lb is a normal weight?

Either they're insanely tall, on roids or fat.

>>76789093
There are degrees of rightness in fitness. Israetel is close to the bottom. Saying so, doesn't mean the person who said it is at the top. So apparently you work smarter than Doctored Mike, and Solomon, so start a youtube channel.

>>76789833
Usually just fat. They always massively underestimate their bodyfat percentage. All the time I see guys with monster guts, full blown tits and absolutely huge love handles swearing blind they're 15% bf

delusional fatties think they're a perfect weight when they could really lose 50lbs

>>76789777
>>76789888

czeched

>>76789075 (OP)
Why does he look so big despite being under 170lbs?
Is it really just lighting?

>>76789790
You are delusional.

>>76789966
You're short.

>>76789143
What are his lifts, especially bench? All he ever shows are pullups

>>76789176
Post your body right now.

>>76790025
If he doesn't show the lifts, that probably means they're unimpressive. I bet he can bench 2pl8 probably 5-8 reps just from looking at him, which isn't a bad number by any means especially for 160lbs, but it's by no means impressive either

>>76789093
they meant something else when they called you "big boy" while smirking and looking down at you

>>76790798
Projecting much?

>>76789304
I'd rather have solomon posting here than brown retarded faggots like you tbqh

>>76790108
>I bet he can bench 2pl8 probably 5-8 reps just from looking at him
FUCK that's me at 165. Unironically i can't bench more without gaining weight.

>>76791443
Brutal trvthnvke, it's always brownoids who seethe about jews.

>>76789075 (OP)
While you were in the gym lifting man made metal up and down, they were studying at pubmd, while you were chasing vanity, they were scrutinizing mike israetel academic papers

>>76791443
>>76791449
Jews are brownoids themselves.

>>76789075 (OP)
solomon looks ok, despite his shit mischling jewish genetics

lyle on the other than never looked good or had much in terms of strength, at least in part due to his shit west asian genetics

no matter what they do they won't look like bodybuilders, you should not base your training or dietary practises on what the most jacked steroid abusing genetic freaks tell you to do

>>76789176
>>76789790
https://streamable.com/n8w708

>>76791497
Ok now post a video of what happens when you pit UFC heavyweight champion against flyweight.

>>76791497
Jews aren't fighters.

>>76789075 (OP)
I don't know who is this Solomon dude, had to look him up. Jesus, is this board nowadays all based in discussing fit-tubers?
Regardless, the man look very well for a mid-life dude. Go outside and take a look at your surroundings.
MacDonald also looks ok for a man over 50yo. Same approach as before. I'm 47yo and all my friends have become fatasses.
>>76789168
Let me guess,...you need more, right?
>>76789304
>>76791485
>>76791488
>That jew Solomon is
>Jews are
>despite his shit mischling jewish genetics
>at least in part due to his shit west asian genetics
Fucking /poltards, seriously.

>>76789075 (OP)
Desertoids
I wouldn't call it evolution yet but there's a lot of growth mitigating genetics associated with desert people that tends to be much harder to breed out than breed in. They both should have just roided and left this academic nonsense in the shitter where it still resides despite their attempts to elevate it.

>>76791521
>Desertoids
Do you really believe all that shit you just posted? LMAO.

>>76791533
Yeah it overlaps almost inversely with precipitation with it being expressed more dramatically in less mobile populations

>>76789075 (OP)
How come mcdonald is even more dyel?

>>76791511
t. jew

>>76791551
consider that the northern people are smart and therefore have good nutrition

>>76791601
When you "t." without greentexting it means you're referring to yourself, newfag

>>76789230
Insane trookacola that roidtrannies refuse to drink

>>76791521
Yes NELSON and MCDONALD are Arab names for sure

>>76791705
A Jew and Iranian
Both inbred as fuck desert people. It would take damn near Olympic breeding stock to get near average lifting genetics out of that. Lyle might have had a chance if he was a Turk.

>>76791724
There’s no proof either are nonwhite

>>76791764
>he needs proof

>>76791771
I need proof that americans are less brown than jews.

>>76791771
Hello mr mike, still butthurt about being humiliated by the goyim?

>>76791777
Is it really so hard to believe there's a Jew you like?

>>76791724
>It would take damn near Olympic breeding stock to get near average lifting genetics out of that

They are not "genetically better", they just have more motivation and focus than you. Lifting weights isnt even so technical, you just need to have some patience and keep making small progress.

>>76789075 (OP)
Cause not everyone wants to chase being as big as possible constantly and fitness is more than just strength or body building? You realize those guys are REAL coaches, right? Not just retarded influencers who only work online & in a tiny section of the industry? Solomon & Lyle coach all kinds of athletes, not just body builders. Lyle has worked with a shit ton of D1 college kids in various sports.

>>76789176
>victim weight
Things fatties say
>>76790096
This. Being big just for the sake of being big means nothing.

>>76789220
>you have no authority to speak on the topic
Yeah that's not how "authority" or credibility or knowledge exchange works dipshit. Whens the last time you saw a coach for any sport in nearly as good shape as the people he's coaching? Is it a bonus to show that you can apply the knowledge to yourself successfully, sure, but that's not the end all be all, and thinking it is, is why you're just a dipshit on 4chan who no one gives two fucks about.

>>76792288
A lot of that is also genetics. There is literally a genetic predisposition to enjoying exercise. But the rest I agree with it's not hard for most people to see a lot of progress as natty even if they're old. Just the ceiling on that progress and it's rate is genetic.

>>76789777
Trips of truth, it is, always has been.

>>76789075 (OP)
It's almost like there is more to being fit than gay obsession with hypertrophy

>>76792323
So has Mark Rippetoe.

>>76792353
They talk about hypertrophy all the time and solomon even tried presenting his back as "big"

>>76789085
/thread

>>76789085
This plus terrible genetics. Some nattys can look a lot better than these guys in just a few years of training if they go full balls to the walls - eat, train, sleep perfectly

A good friend of mine (I know him very well and know for a fact he was always natty/not lying about gear) mogged Solomon by the time he was 3 years in, and I personally witnessed him bench 315 x 6 and squat 405 x 10 - know for certain he wasn't BSing about his numbers. Guy obsessed over training, didn't even go out drinking while at university, never missed a day. but he was like 180 with visible abs before he even trained, genetics on another level, unlike Solomon who was just some nerd with average - below average genetics who took training just sort of seriously
but then he eventually got a gf, had a kid and got fat as fuck, so I guess genetics aren't everything in the end

>>76791503
fatty mad?
>>76791506
I know, but the argument here is whether or not 160lbs is "victim weight".
Well, as it turns out, it isn't.
A 260lb man got killed in a street fight by a 160lb man.
>>76791511
Bitch out some more.

>>76792865
You tiny dick faggots do not realize that lifting/being big is not mutually exclusive with fighting. A 260 lbs fighter bodies a 160 lbs fighter every time.

>>76792686
What kind of volume did your friend use?

>>76789939
he has a small head

>>76792686
How do you know they have bad genetic? I believe they are just scared to bulk hard. Thats how you grow better eventually.

>>76794637
maybe grow fat lol

>>76794721

>he doesnt know how to follow a diet

>>76789075 (OP)
Understanding it and doing it aren't the same thing. I understand how train to box at a competitive level, but the work I'm willing to put in has me setting a great pace and holding my own for 3 rounds and then being a slow sloppy mess for the rest of the day.

>>76794845
But solomon loves to train and his diet is immaculate

>>76794976
Stop posting here, manlet kike.

>>76794976
>But solomon loves to train and his diet is immaculate
what are his bench, dl and squat then?

>>76795039
8 reps of 100kg bench, about 200kg and 180kg dl and sq

>>76789075 (OP)
Lyle hated Jeets before it was trendy

>>76795556
Holy troll

>>76789075 (OP)
his physique is peak casual natty + mid genes
hes an academic.
"science based fitness" is just a hobby.
if he was no-lifeing to get the most aesthetic body possible he would look better
but also again for his mid genes, take a look through his insta.
he just doesnt have the genes to get huge.

>>76791521
>Desertoids
I wouldn't call it evolution yet but there's a lot of growth mitigating genetics associated with desert people that tends to be much harder to breed out than breed in. They both should have just roided and left this academic nonsense in the shitter where it still resides despite their attempts to elevate it.

Litterally just crypto white american cope. If anything MENA is overepresented in body building considering their poverty, culture (they are far less likely to roid compared to the drug addled european), and low number in america.

Nasser and Hadi are still world class body builders, and at least another half dozen who have top 1% physiques but weren't too famous

>>76789093
The 60 year old ex boxer black dude at my gym calls everyone big. Sorry pal you ain't special.

>>76796678
You truly must be a small Weakling, lmao

>>76796459
>they are far less likely to roid compared to the drug addled european
I spy with my little eye an envious little mohamed living in a Western metropolis. Your prophet was a pedo btw.

>>76792888
that's not the argument now is it, retard?
"victim weight" is a stupid ass meme made by teenagers mistaking fat for mucsle and thinking they're better than everyone else for benching 2 plates and other stupid shit, despite the fact that they would be murdered by the average guy that doesn't even lift if it came down to it

>*neck chops him*
>nobody puts dr mike in a corner

>>76796970
>Using shitty head tats to give yourself hair
I lol'd

>>76796970
?
If anything he is happy that science based lifters a under a ttack

>>76796361
How do you estimate genetics like that? Are you some kind of expert?

>>76789075 (OP)
>mid
Compared to what?

>>76789093
Solomon does 2pl8 bench for 10 reps. He's strong enough to not be laughed out of the NFL combine, and normies would legitimately view him as big. You might be overweight and being called "big", but Solomon would be called it too if he was shirtless, just for different reasons.

>>76789168
And does 100kg for 10 reps on bench. What a twink.

https://youtu.be/XVsZ3iHrXEk?si=N2aepvc5ThIPWJBp

>>76790108
>>76790025

He does 2pl8 for 10 reps. Pretty weak

https://youtu.be/XVsZ3iHrXEk?si=N2aepvc5ThIPWJBp

>>76799093
@88kgs thats not a lot of reps

>>76799882
It's pretty close to the average defensive back bench press score at the NFL combine. Unless now /fit/ thinks NFL players are DYEL weakling twinks too.

>>76799827
>go suck Suneet's little fucking dick, we all know you East indians can't please a woman
LyleGODS fucking won

>>76789093
No you're a fatass

>>76800046
Those aren't real bench presses. I don't know what the conversion is though.

>>76799093
In what universe is lifting 2pl8 for 10 at 160 lbs considered weak?

>>76789075 (OP)
This guy seems like a drama fag grifter

if basketball coaches and athletic trainers know so much, why aren't they the best basketball players in the world?

>>76789176
OK fat boy

Boy has this been a bad thread. It's kind of sad to see the one or two halfway decent intelligent posters pop up here and there just to get utterly drowned out by the rest of you rabble.

>>76800698
>>76801366
You are metastasized, oozing, puss filled board cancer FYI.

>>76795556
Holy BASED

>>76789075 (OP)
>Why do they have such mid physiques?
Lyle never was into getting huge, he's not particularly talented and is more suited for endurance sports.
Solomon is a natural and in great shape.
>I am natural and people still call me big
You are fat, relatively speaking.


>>76789304
>That jew Solomon is posting here unironically
is he jewish?

>>76791511
Fucking /poltards,
Nonsense, the JQ extends to fitness. Why do we have a roid epidemic, gayness in bodybuilding and all that stuff in the first place?

>>76796963
cry about it, twink

>>76789140
Then youd be massive bodybuilding and way stronger, whats your dumb luck lifting routine and technique for bench along with tris/delts but i think i just need technique not even diet or programmimg.

>>76789167
The thing is it really isnt matured muscle its largely a pump. They get huge and lose it all in well under a month. If a natty was as big as a roider at the same size hed be way stronger in a functional way too since the tendons arent fucked.

>>76791521
Serioisly wheres the science with no control variable aka overlifting how would they even know what worls without teyong different things.
>liftimg has been solved long ago
Ah yes finally a constant variable, technique, effort, and mmc.

>>76799827
Wtf I love Lyle now

>>76789075 (OP)
>optimized training muscle density
Meh seems a lot more like youre fully rested for every set and technique is for moving weight not necessarily building a specific muscle.
>225x10 bb bench
Hm not bad but nothing crazy. Id be getting more giddy to hear hes doing a little more than that but still not bad at all.

>>76792686
I dont think they tried eating enough let alone thinking more, just stuck in their ways talking about astrophysics lifting when they havent even had one session where they get the best results possible. Like where the fuck is speed rep pr myfibrillar exhaustion in their vocabulary they must think about microscopes and excel spread sheets when theyre trying to formulate a new workout plan.

>>76801996
Oh yeah motherfucker lets see whos the real big boy now wagon wheel deadlifts

>>76800710
2pl8 is extremely weak at any weight
For most men it’s the end of beginner level, but at his weight it’s just mid intermediate

>>76802113
10reps@100kg means he has a max of over 130kg. This puts his 72kg frame well into the advanced category of most sites. If he makes weight and drops just a couple kgs of water, he jumps into elite for a couple of hours.

>>76798847
hes a manlet anon...

>>76802113
You're either a bloatmaxxer or a DYEL faggot.

>>76801545
Op here. Not my fault.


>>76802168
At 88kg its nothing remarkable

>>76802265
He doesn't weigh 88kg but 72kg.

his instagram
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2YriELR2fI/
72,5kg

again, does anybody have intel on whether he is J-positive?

positive
>lawyer
>likes to argue on the public square
>high emotional intensity
>attaches humself to goy geniuses (Lyle)

negative
>very fit
>attacks the vilest fitness jewfluencer

>>76795556
That's funny as fuck shitposting

>>76795556
>I'll scratch off that dot and see what I won
Topkek. I love creative racists

>>76802327
He benched that weight at 88kg bw

>>76802761
okay, if ture, then his lift is just decent. Whatever. His chin-up is respectable though.

Since you're better informed about him, is Nelson J-positive?

>>76802994
Idk, he posted his bw but didnt post his heritage and idc enough...

...solomon sound pretty juice though

>>76802336
>>lawyer
It's very indicative of jewishness, alsi
>Solomon
>Old anti racist IQ debunking videos
>Dyel McFlurry is iranian aka the jewiest people after jews (only reason they're fighting is to outjew each other) and the chinese

they look fine for guys who don't have elite genetics and don't do PEDs

>>76803146
You dont neet elite genetics to look like you lift in shirt

>>76803243
meh, debatable.
People first were talking to me and treating me like I lifted when got to 200lb. Before they sometimes said stuff when they got to see exposed parts
>what's that brah, you lifting?
>will you look at that, Bruce Lee is among us!
I was definitely seen and recognised as a small guy around 160lbs.
In hindsight it is quite the difference in how people would treat you.

At 220 lbs people would again comment out of the blue somewhat harder. I finally got 18inch arms. But it's really hard to maintain and I'm too fat for my taste. Barely any abs and endurance is so-so, which is why I'm 200lbs again.
It's a good compromise but do I look like I lift in a shirt? Kinda but definitely less than at 220. I might even shoot for 185-190lbs to arrive at a more shredded look and good endurance. Plus, last summer was about 50% weighted callisthenics, which I liked and which is all about bodyweight.

>>76803365
Tl, dr

>>76803365
You are being gay-cat called bro.

>>76789085
This plus 6'2 vs literal midgets

>>76803243
you do

>>76802036
> technique is for moving weight not necessarily building a specific muscle.
There is technique for building a specific muscle. The way you move will affect how some muscle groups are loaded. For example, using a very small amount of internal rotation of the femur during squats will put more load on the quads. Whereas going into external rotation will deload the quads and put more load on the adductors. Subtle technical details like that are important to pay attention to for building muscle. Just as important as technique to move weight.

>>76804929
Ok loser

>>76789168
>>76789184
>>76789833
It's a perfectly fine weight, but that's nowhere near your natty limit for a 5'10 male. If he's presenting himself as a fitness expert who has been training for decades, why isn't he close?

>>76791511
>the man look very well for a mid-life dude.
nigger... he's like 20

>>76805997
>If he's presenting himself as a fitness expert who has been training for decades
he's not presenting himself as such because he hasn't been training for decades

>>76806002
26

>>76789118
aka your friend was fed the trenbalone sandwich by the coach and now his test base has crashed and he's a neutered human being? this story adds nothing to this thread

>>76806014
in the video he did with Lyle and Larry Shipe he mentions that he plans to compete this upcoming year so yes he is presenting himself as an expert

>>76807077
planning to compete is being an expert?
will tennyson competed but I would by no means call him an expert

>>76807087
if you're making 4 hour long youtube videos giving your opinion on training and diet and offering consulting services and competing yourself then yes you are presenting yourself as an expert

>>76807104
it's lyle giving opinions and by opinions I mean science and experience supported truths that industry retards are too retarded to understand
offering consulting services doesn't mean or require expertise and neither does comepeting

>>76807150
if solomon is offering paid consulting services but doesn't have the balls to say he's positioning himself as an authority on the topic then he would just be an absolute grifter charging money for something he doesn't even believe in

>>76807196
what does believing in something have to do with offering services have to do with being an expert

>>76807204
if you're not even in your own mind an authority on a topic then it's immoral to charge money to talk about that topic you fucking retard. charging money to talk about something that you are unwilling to stake your reputation on is just being a charlatan which is one of the things solomon is critical of. so if like you say he doesn't feel he's an authority then he's being a hypocrite when he charges people for training and nutrition advice

>>76807196
Saying you are an authority is a literal fallacy, people have to call you that. That's why people shit on kek nippard calling himself a scientist when he is a fucking dropout dentist. Even real scientists would rather call themselves "researchers", same for "authorities".

>>76807221
why have you got your panties in such a twist?
he never called himself an expert as a "self-proclaimed expert" is not only retarded but builds distrust in a person

>>76807230
I'm just saying you don't get to use the cope that he's not an expert therefore you don't get to criticize his physique. he's a fair target same as everybody

>>76807241
he's too young to be called an expert
lyle on the other hand is an expert and he has coached people to both the powerlifting and bodybuilding stage

>you don't get to use the cope that he's not an expert therefore you don't get to criticize his physique.
which is not what I did, I just pointed out that he doesn't present himself as an expert

>>76807259
Too young?
Jeff nippard himself has been his client twice, you dumb nigger

>>76807259
>too young
he mentions in his videos he's been weight training since 17. he's 26 now so 9 years of consistent training. how many years do we need to wait before we ask where the gains are?

>>76807269
jeff is a retard so helping him out with his programs was no big deal
>>76807287
>he mentions in his videos he's been weight training since 17
he does?
well maybe he could look better or maybe he got unlucky with his genetics
how am I supposed to know

>>76807295
>le epic genetics cope
ok so if he does well it's because his training is awesome and he knows what he's doing. if he does poorly it's just because of genetics. so it's impossible for him to not be right, got it

>>76807339
not what I said

bodybuilding is a subjective genetics dependent beauty pageant, results of one person say nothing of their methods

>>76807471
Idk, I think some results are indicative of method quality

>>76789075 (OP)
All this talk and no one posted solomons zeek ?