Thread 76793511

I don’t like Reddit but sometimes I lurk r/nattyorjuice once in a while and they say this is impossible to achieve naturally in 10 years. I call bullshit. Is this true?

I pretended to be a newfag and posted asking about it.

>>76793511 (OP)
redditors the worst of the worst.
Stop going there

>>76793511 (OP)
Get one twin with the worst possible lifting advice especially technique, and the other raise in the stone age and i think the stone age one with crude freeweights would have a better physique.

>>76793511 (OP)
looks 4'11" and 110lbs lol
could be natty

>>76793523
but then there would be no threads made here

>>76793511 (OP)
Go lift for 10 years and come back. Ser if you look like that.

>>76793518
Some people never even learn to get a chest pump and then blame genetics. Im convinced its harder to get big natural than become a doctor or scientist.

The triceps are the only part that stands out. Maybe he just has good triceps genetics. The sharpness of the images is obviously cranked to 11 but that's so obvious if you don't notice that's your fault. I say natty.

Always keep in mind that 95% of redditors are genetic dead ends with zero achievements and talents.
The only thing they are good at is trying to sound smart on an anonymous website.

So usually if a redditor says one thing, I would assume the opposite is true. So as a result I say this man is natty

>>76793523
Wouldn't have to go there if this site wasn't dead

>>76793581
Oh yeah id bet my last dollar this guys natty lets throw him in jail for a year to see if hes telling the truth.

>>76793511 (OP)
>>76793514
>10 years consistent training
>head to body ratio suggests he's probably on the shorter side
>photo taken at the tail end of an extreme cut
>with a pump
>with good lighting
>traps and delts in proportion with the rest of his muscles
>photoshopped sharpness and maybe contrast
he's natty

>>76793518
>psyop
your /pol/ is showing.

theres literally a guy on another board (wont name him) who had an absolutely ripped bodybuilder physique, completely natural, he said it was just diet. The weirdest thing is how hes a complete incel loser and got fat again, despite looking amazing and being kinda charismatic.

>>76793511 (OP)
Natty and not above 150lbs

>>76793884
>wont name him
why not? if he posted himself on the internet its public info at this point

>>76793518
Hell the fuck no

>>76793518
>x years lifting is a psyop
I mean, yes and no. I mostly capped my gains after about 7 years of consistent, heavy lifting. My bench in 3 years went from 295 to 315, and that's after I stopped deadlifting. After covid I switched to full calisthenics (mostly weighed) and bar work, and I feel quite a bit better. If I stayed heavy deadlifting and benching, I might have been able to get a 350 bench in the next 10 years of rigorous training, diet, etc. But I honestly don't think it's a worthy goal of chasing anymore.

I will say, a lot of people said they wanted to look like me, and now I miss being the guy people wanted to look like. I just need to cut back some fat and I'll be there again.

>>76793511 (OP)
Seems possible natty especially if he's a manlet but the leanness combined with face bloat is suspicious

>>76793511 (OP)

it's possible naturally, but who knows. here's a 6 year lifter who actually earned his credentials (accepted random blood testing for months and still showed growth - not one oddity from his endocrine panel during this test) and won the youngest IFBB pro naturally (anton swole holds the record with roid) at age 23.

>>76794197
Classic? Doesn't look big enough to be a real Pro

>>76793518
You can still make natty gains after 3-4 years so that guy is full of shit. People keep gaining strength after 3-4 years which is the biggest indicator of muscle gain. His physique isn't out of the realm of nattiness so he could be natty

>>76793511 (OP)
I also have a disproportionately large head.
Exercises to fix this?

>>76793511 (OP)
If the dude is 5'5 and is on cialis while he dieted for months just for this pic, it can be natty, but as soon as he stops the strict diet and cialis he won't look like this.

>>76793511 (OP)
I'll give you a clue: if a physique is impossible to achieve natty, there's a good chance that some retarded no name instagram fitness retard achieved it naturally
>b-but 10 years is a really long time!
Ok. Dyel?

>>76793511 (OP)
Could be natty. He does have the manlet advantage in this area

>>76793511 (OP)
>>76793514
I dont even think the photos themselves are natty lol

>>76794502
yes classic physique. there can't a natural open bodybuilder who can make his way to olympia let alone winning a pro show. i think he is 5'7 with stage weight of ~77kg with off season weight over 90kg.

here's the natty peak who beat him the last natty pro show and won his ticket to the Ben Weider's natural pro show (winner of this will enter the 2025 Mr. O CP). I think this guy is 5'11 /w stage weight of low 90kg, which makes him look smaller compared to his fellow competitors who come in close to 100kg or more after the weigh in. He ended up placing the last spot (last call out, tied 16th) at the 2024 Mr. Olympia.

>>76793877
He's the 1st comment not the op's comment, retard

Looks like filters and insane lighting. Imagine you wouldn't be able to see the striations and veins as much, he'd look great but much less impressive.

Why is no retard on this thread calling out the obvious dickskin? He looks like a ballsack.

Absolutely not natural.

>>76794665
>>76794197
Neither is this guy.

You have two people that defend fake natties, fake natties themselves and gullible normies.

This site is completely dead.

>>76793871
He isn't and you're a retard.

t. lifting for 18 years and benching 405

>>76793884
are we gatekeeping /fit/ blogposters now?
you do you i guess but kinda weird

>>76794197
>>76794665
These guys wouldnt be Chinese be any chance would they?

>>76794504
>People keep gaining strength after 3-4 years which is the biggest indicator of muscle gain.

>>76794838
What do you have against 100% natty lifters from China?

>>76793518
But scooby is natty and jacked as fuck because of decades of training

Here's how someone with 1 out of multiple billion physiology, who has a body built for strength and lifting weights looks on test and some other steroids, but not optimized pharmacology like people competing in bodybuilding.

I'm sure all the guys you all posted are natty.

>>76793511 (OP)
Believe in the power of the indomitable human spirit.

>>76794838
That's just the boosted sharpness. Everyone looks like a nutsack with those settings it will blow up any detail in your skin good (striations, vascularity) or bad (a pimple you had two weeks ago).

>>76793518
>>76793514
>>76793511 (OP)
how do you create a reddit account without getting shadowbanned? reddit shadowbanned all my devices. fuck reddit. vpn dont work either.

>>76794868
>chinks using the newest shit that's hardest to detect just like the russians during the olympics
KEK

Why would people who probaly arent even 70% max natty even care if some guy on the internet is natty or not? This literally doesnt influence your life one bit.

>>76793511 (OP)
Reddit is a bunch of 18 year olds who don't know anything.

Yes, this is achievable naturally. The main thing going for this guy is lighting and a pump. IRL you would not find his physique that impressive.

>>76795285
His forearms are suspicious, who gets such a brachioradialis natty beside someone who reverse curls every day for 10 years.

>>76794590
yeah, there's definitely a sharpness filter applied to make his muscle striations pop out more
>>76793511 (OP)
the answer to most natty or nots it unsatisfying but correct "possible natty but idk." you can achieve a lot just by having good information/guidance, starting young, and being consistent to see it through but you can also fake it with roids; the only way to tell is if they openly documented and posted their progress online.

>>76794665
>>76794197
i respect that fit physique
that east asian man fucks girls
at all the gyms

>>76793511 (OP)
Its not the size—a natty can get that big. It’s the size/bf combination. The striations at that size indicate not natty. If he were natty, at his size and bf, he would have posted test results.

Probably not natty.

>>76793511 (OP)
if he said he was roiding, reddit would say LOL roiding for this? natty fizeek brah just lift for 2 years and do an 8 wk cut
if he says he's natty? LOL juiced to the gills, lying faggot, no natty can ever look like this after a lifetime of lifting
do you understand yet?

>>76793518
I agree with the redditor. You will make 80-90% of your gains within 2 years if you are consistent

>>76793511 (OP)
roider and not even close, lots of fakers or newbies itt

>>76794197
just lol

>>76793518
Hmmm he's right about the X years of lifting being bs for most people - I honestly think most people don't even learn how to train right or actually train hard until about 2 years in. How many beginners do you know who somehow think they're qualified to make their own routine? And legitimately think the shit they made is better than a tried and true beginner program? You can't really say you've lifted for 3 years when you spent the first 2 doing nothing but curls and bench press, with bad form at that.

If you've legitimately done everything right for 4 years, which I guarantee is not the case for most, you probably are maxed out for the most part

And as for OP it's hard to say if he even looks like that, if that picture if from Instagram or some shit it's probably heavily doctored anyway - just like the shit Nick Walker was posting upto the Mr Olympia which wasn't even an accurate representation of how he really looked. You really can't say with this shit unless you see them in person. 150lbs twinks online are sometimes very good at making you believe they're really 250lbs gorillas with their angle, lighting and editing bs

>>76794197
>>76795937
Nah it's just filters bro he is natty 100%

>>76795965
>150lbs twinks online are sometimes very good at making you believe they're really 250lbs gorillas with their angle, lighting and editing bs
Case in point, pic related

>>76795974
Is that Jeff?

>>76795974
He doesn't make me believe he is 250lbs bro.

Here is Sergio not even as conditioned as him that makes me believe he is big.

And Nippard is a fake natty.

even if one of these ridiculous physiques is indeed natural it doesn't change jack shit because it takes an exceptional genetic outlier who won't really revolutionize training methods or progress expectations in average trainees
fortunately I opt out from the social media clout race, so I don't need to be bothered with extreme outliers mogging me (the dude in OP's pic probably looks funny irl)

>>76794838
the 1st picrel had a lot of ppl being skeptical about his natty status, so he applied for a program to show olympic level usada random blood and urine tests done by a team composed of a seasoned roider with endocrinologists for months. he still showed growth during this period. has anyone that claims natty done this kind of testing? not even greg doucette was able to touch these guys since all their endocrine panel showed nothing remarkable for months while still growing. He shut down his doubters by walking the walk.

as for the 2nd picrel, he actually showed constant growth for over 20 years as a natty. they both look great in individual shots, but when they stand next to roiders, the difference was obvious. the 2nd picrel actually participated in 2024 Mr. Olympia classic physique and placed very last. he looked pretty bad compared to roiders.

>>76796107
Nah he is not natty, he is very lean yet he doesn't show crazy striations and has that "watery film" going on (gh).

He is also decently full for his leanness and lacks density. Just look at the earlier genuine natural lifters with 8+ inch wrists. Just look up John Grimek for example.

>>76796107
You dont get bulging bicep veins being natty, forearms a little right after a workout sure.

>>76796262
I do and barely even pumped, you're just fat and/or unlucky

>>76793511 (OP)
that subreddit is garbage, they act like any reasonably impressive physique is absolutely impossible to achieve

they'll only say "natty" if the person looks like shit

>>76796307
What makes it hard to decide is when it's teenage dudes who display good physique that are natty achievable, like picrel, but over the course of several years of optimal training and dieting. It's hard to believe that some teen without a single follicle on his chin would have such experience and zeal.
Posting my physique because it's similar but it's more believable for me because I look older.

>>76796317
It's hard to judge your shoulders and traps as your both shrugged up, angled to the side, and your shoulders are not at your sides but slightly abducted.

Also, you have the classic 2d look as you lack thickness (maybe not detail, but thickness) and your also suffering from invisible lat syndrome with such delts.

Your probably limb dominant, and 1 pic is too hard to give accurate judgment.

>>76793518
>there are not even any natty gains to be had after like 3-4 years
there are better and worse programs.
there is better and worse skill to lifting.
you can be more and less intense, more and less serious, eat a better and worse diet.
this statement relies on a guy who exists as much as the guy who only does left-arm bicep curls for 10 years and keeps asking why his other arm doesn't grow as much, only to abruptly realize that he's supposed to curl with his right arm as well.
the imaginary perfect guy that caps out at 4 years, he only exists as demotivation.

>>76796335
Well it doesn't really help his case of being natty if he's thicker overall and bigger in the limbs while i'm limb dominant. Keep in mind the fact he can't even buy a drink.

>>76796307
and they're right in most cases

>>76796383
Yep, I'm not believing someone without thick wrists is a genetic marvel at building muscle naturally.

>>76796307
Im fuckin bigger than a lot of roiders since they cant maintain an advanced physique without being 2000ng/ml of test since it dips to like 150 between doses.

>>76796444
>Im fuckin bigger than a lot of roiders
of course you are
>since it dips to like 150 between doses.
you're literally making up bullshit

>>76795285
and /fit/ is a bunch of 12-16 year olds who don't know anything.

>>76796531
Ok mossad ill just go ahead and post my physique here to make your job easy sure thing.
>hne pnosts hnis nody nyonliney!
So im allowed to go on reddit though? Why dont i just vlog every post i make instead would that be better?

>>76795285
The thing is i want to put on muscle without losing my abs, to put on mass while in a caloric deficit if you will.

Once again redditors proven to be less retarded than /fit/izens

>>76796262
>You dont get bulging bicep veins being natty,
I'm natty and have bulging bicep veins. Probably genetic.

>>76796558
schizo post

>>76794180
Not far off. Took me about 7ish years of fairly consistent training to hit 315, and another 7 to hit 405. Now I just maintain hitting 365 for sets of 3 while I train for an ironman

>>76793511 (OP)
guy is clearly
>anglefrauding
>shadowfrauding
>flexfrauding
and basically doing every other trick to make yourself look like youre bigger than you really are
i could also take a picture of myself where i look like im on gear, and i could take a picture that would make me look like a complete dyel

lol

>>76793511 (OP)
He has muscle but dehydrated as well?

>>76794504
He is just very lean. If he was 15% bf fags on pleddit wouldn't bat an eye.
Could be roids, could be natty. Who the fuck even cares?