Thread 76811027

does HIT actually work?

>>76811027 (OP)
For beginners and people who normally train like shit it'll work like magic. Everyone else will stagnate at best. Menzers version of HIT he sold people was his contest prep routine. It doesn't take much to maintain muscle or build it in the uninitiated

>>76811060
>Mentzer's version of HIT he sold people was his contest prep routine
He never did the routine you're referring to. He either did a two-way split with moderate volume (6-10 sets per muscle group each week) or the three day full body routine Arthur Jones advocated for (the Colorado experiment routine). Not only did I have to correct what you were saying in order to provide a factual account, I had to correct your grammar too.

>>76811027 (OP)
He was right. He should have won against Arnold.

It will work for beginners and people on gear. It won't work for people who have been lifting for a few years naturally.

>>76811027 (OP)
I don't know if he was right about frequency but in my experience he was right about intensity>volume. I put on a lot of strength and size when I focused on going hard and not doing excessive sets.

>t. 25 FFMI Natty

Not OP, but I'm a beginner using HIT now (since the beginning of October). How long to use it and what to do afterwards?

>>76811178
You use it forever because it works the best if you desire to become large and strong.

>>76811093
Are you retarded? I said it was his contest prep routine. What you just said was his off season routine. You absolute brain dead piece of garbage. Next time you're going to state something with this much arrogance fact check even for a second you utter fucking cretin

>>76811178
After about 6-12 months you'll hit a wall. Depends on the individual. That's when you increase sets. You don't need a lot though. 4 or 5 failure sets in a session for a muscle maxes you out. If you decide you want to keep a few reps in the tank instead increase that to 8 to 10 sets. Twice per week as well of course. This is where you get whole 10-20 sets per week statement. You don't want to increase it all at once. Just one extra set every few weeks until you hit the top end. Both in the literature and in practice there's no proof that doing more than that is of any use

>>76811027 (OP)
High intensity training works for everyone
If it doesn't work for you, you need to fix whatever you are doing wrong of the following:
Diet (most likely)
Cardio
Sleep
Recovery
Lifestyle (cut drinking and drugs)

>>76811060
R u retarted

>>76811434
I don't understand this. Mentzer himself says you need to lift less as you get stronger and lift heavier, eat more and rest more. Why should I believe you and not him? I think this is just a troll post.

In my experience yes, but it's almost like an occult magick method. The first thing to consider is really going to failure, most of us will think getting tired is enough but no, hitting real failure is tricky. Then, you have to get your sleep hygene and nutrition on point.

>>76811112
He would have had to come in higher than 5th to even be a contender.

>>76811497
Because what he's said has been tried and no one has succeeded on it
>but muh Dorian
Dorian didn't do HIT much to Menzers chagrin
>but
I gave you the best info available on the subject. Do whatever you want

>>76811027 (OP)
Yes, HIGH INTENSITY Training is the ONLY way to train. Follow the rules. Warm up the body with cardio, and the joints with light non-taxing warm up sets, then do everything possible to fight failure, while keeping tension on the muscle, then go take a shower, and come back to the gym in 3 weeks.

>>76811027 (OP)
Autistic drug addicted man with body dysmorphia who was buck broken when he was cheated out of Mr Olympia.
No footage ever of him working out too.
Little wonder he is so worshipped on these boards

>>76811408
Nigger. He never did the 3 exercises once every week routine. When he was preparing for the 1979 and 1980 Mr. Olympia routine, he was doing a three day per week full body routine.

>>76811563
I've heard Yates say that 1 or 2 sets is all that's necessary for any muscle per workout.
>4 or 5 failure sets in a session for a muscle maxes you out.
1 set to failure is signalling your body: you need to adapt (grow) now. Why do you say you have to add more? Can you explain the logic?
Is what you're saying basically to take pic rel program and make it 2 sets were he says 1? Why?

>>76811563
Also, are you taking about roiding and actually trying to be competitive at bodybuilding? Because I'm just doing this for fun and to look better.

>>76811027 (OP)
I think it’s fine but a few notes
1. Mentzer did not gain his initial size by doing it
2. It really only works on machines. The type of failure he wants you to go to is dangerous for heavy free weight compounds
3. Dorian didn’t really do this by the book. What he took from mentzer essentially amounted to going from 5x a week to 4, basically adding a rest day. And this was after he had already won the Olympia once

>>76811644
Yates said that referring to failure per exercise. If you look at Blood and Guts he does multiple lifts per muscle with the amount of sets he's doing per muscle to failure being close to what I was recommending. Even his warm up sets were still taken to like 3-4RIR which is still a training stimulus if you watch him train. Both in the gym practically and in labs measuring people it's been landed on that about 4 failure sets in a session will give you the maximum stimulus for growth with everything below that still working but not to the same degree and far above that doing more harm than good most of the time. For stubborn body parts maybe 1 or 2 more failure sets would be beneficial but that's about it
>>76811648
I'm talking about optimal volume for growth. You'll still grow on less but maximum growth needs more volume than Heavy Duty recommends. If you do 1 set to failure you'll eventually hit a wall and you can get around it by adding rest-pause sets and dropsets to keep the set going for similar results if you for sure want to only keep doing 1 true set per lift but you would be better off just adding another lift targeting the muscle and taking that to failure too. Something that targets the muscle from a different angle or has a different strength curve would be best

>>76811112
He had a bad case of roidgut

>>76811172
>t. 25 FFMI Natty
POST BODY

>>76812936
The distended gut comes from abusing insulin tho

>>76811027 (OP)
Anything works for roidtrannies. The only thing that works for natties is consistency.

HIT is vague so it's almost impossible to say. yates outright rejected a lot of mentzer's advice but he's the eternal poster boy of HIT

>>76812931
Thanks. I'll keep this in mind. I still have along way to go but.

>>76812971
Yeah tell that to all the guys at Planet Fitness doing the same routine everyday and look exactly the same

>>76812971
This is so dumb. Consistently not going to failure is not going to work for anyone.