why is "we forgot how to do it" or "we lost the technology" becoming an increasingly common pattern these days?

are we literally in a dark age now?

yes but replace dark with

>>105559013 (OP)
Capitalism. Exploitation is literally killing us.

>>105559105
Go back to preddit.

>>105559109
>When provoked, the fascist enters a fight response instead of engaging in rational discourse

>>105559013 (OP)
it was expensive cose require manual labor to produce
now can automate calibration stage with computer vision

>>105559013 (OP)
The vast majority of all human technological knowledge is centralized within a handful of companies. What technology we lose is on the whims of a handful of people. Its always been this way.

>>105559013 (OP)
If the plebes were able to recognize we had better shit in the past, they might start suggesting we return to those times.
And that'd be bad for us jews, who thrive in today's 'eternal present' styled world.
The past is outdated, we should rejoice for the future products which are certainly better, after all we can't even make older stuff anymore.

>>105559013 (OP)
Replacing CRTs was never about providing a better product. It was about making logistics cheaper so companies could enjoy higher margins.

>>105559105
>>105559124
I'm not a fan of capitalist exploitation either but you're a serious niggerfaggot for responding like this and aimlessly invoking "fascism" in it.

>>105559013 (OP)
>The best toaster ever made didn't use a single circuit board, completely mechanical
>Can't buy it anymore lol sorry goyim
>Best glasses ever made were practically indestructible, and not any more expensive than normal glass
>Can't buy it anymore lol sorry goyim

>>105559185
People yearn for real leather, wood, metal, glass, and so on but nothing happens beyond a "retro" wave that manufacuterers periodically come up with to produce fascimiles of the real thing because it wouldn't make sense to them to produce it.
>>105559212
Really makes you think if this was the same reason why proper wooden furniture became outmoded.

>>105559247
You can thank our 'superiors' for deindustrializing all our countries. Now we can't even build a fucking wooden desk out of seasoned stock.

>>105559237
post technolo/g/y starter pack
>desktop computer CRT monitors
>pre-ozone hole fud HVAC
>cars made before the 2010s
>aero glass and ux customization/consistency
>software optimization
>real wooden furniture
>incandescent light bulbs
>sodium vapor lamps
>toasters

>>105559258
The government literally just trimmed a huge chunk of our local forest here and has left huge amounts pristine smelling spruce logs laying in neat rows for months and I'm being told neither is it legal for me carry any wood from the forest without a loicense nor can I get real furniture like my parents and grandparents could (assuming they wouldn't craft it themselves) without paying thousands of perpetually inflating paper rectangles, so I'm forced to pay hundreds for shitty IKEA slop that looks like shit and will fall apart within a few years (the wooden stools downstairs built by my great grandfather who went into Siberian expeditions still stand just fine).

This shit feels so artificial it fucking hurts.

>>105559310
If you turned that wood into furniture that'd be bad for the environment GOY
Don't you care about the planet!?

>>105559232
>The ship may in fact be leaking, but you are a serious niggerfaggot for pointing that out
>**drowns**

>>105559258
you can, it's just that no one wants to pay 15k for a desk

>>105559390
A polished piece of wood with some dowel sticking it together shouldn't be 15k.
Your grandparents could walk down to the local store and find the finest wooden furniture for cheap.
Somebody didn't like that and now you can only get IKEA garbage.

>>105559013 (OP)
Old technology often required extremely specialized factories and a supply chain to go with it.
No getting around it unfortunately and if its gone, you can't easily bring it back.

>>105559402
>muh boomers could buy it cheap
No they couldn't lol
If you realized how much boomers had to pay for things, you wouldn't want to go back.
$3500 is what it would cost you for just an 18 inch TV (adjusted for inflation obv)
Any large purchase like a desk would have been something you saved up for a year or more.

>>105559438
A table wasn't 15 fucking thousand dollars in 1950 you lying kike.

>>105559438
>equating early computer age tech prices to wooden furniture that even my poor interwar and post-war eastern euro shithole family could still stock up on or build themselves
The fuck?

>>105559457
Table and desk are two separate things bro
If you just wanted a table go get a butcher block and put some legs on it.
An actual desk with some actual craft behind it was never cheap, usually the most expensive thing in the room.

>>105559566
>He's still trying to gaslight people that fucking furniture was akin to supercomputers in 1950
Kek

Lost knowledge is quite common.

>Wikipedia article gets created
>Citied to fully online sources
>Source websites get discontinued and not picked up by the internet archive because they had anti-scraper policies
>Wikipedia deletes the article as "not notable".

I've seen this process play out multiple times. Lots of internet lore lost.

>>105559013 (OP)
I own this same monitor

>>105559013 (OP)
oh my transgender! is that a heckin cathode ray tube monitor????

>>105559571
You sure as fuck not rolling up to an Ikea

>>105559636
I like their meatballs and sparkling tea drinks.

>>105559635
>my 20 year old attic relic is now a tranny symbol in the west
you heard it here first bros

>>105559677
I mean that tube is not just any attic relic, it's the best CRT they ever made, among the best monitors there have ever been

>>105559692
>you could buy it for $40 in 2021
interesting

>>105559757
People not in the know listing insanely valuable stuff for nothing, happens all the time

>>105559571
He's right though. Try to find some furniture ads from the 1950s. One of those old sheetmetal desks is like $130 circa 1950, which is ~$1800 adjusted for inflation. You probably wont be able to find an in-era ad for a wood executive desk like what was posted earlier, because it would be have been way way more expensive than that, likely bespoke with a wait time to fit, and made by a woodworking firm closer to the area you lived in. $15k AFI wouldn't be out of line.

Not long ago I found the receipt for a dresser my grandparents bought in the early 1980s, nice but thoroughly mid-tier: nice facade, raw hardwood drawers with middling workmanship, shitty thin pressboard backing stapled in place), and it was $1300 AFI. A functional equivalent would probably be $400 from Ikea.

Hell, even your notion of what a supercomputer cost is off. One fully kitted Bendix G15 was $60k in 1956, which is $720k in Trump bucks.

>>105559939
You're falling for the dumbest psyop ever.
Yeah sure if you directly translate those dollars to today's dollars it's a lot.
But we have a lot better technology now, plus supply vs demand, and so on.
A fucking good wooden desk should not cost an arm and a leg. End of story.
There's boomer retards who installed septic tanks as a job who had better quality of life than today's engineers.

>muh CRTs = muh top of the line Sony Trinitron and definitely not the 15" Viewsonic piece of shit that 99% of people who weren't pro artfags actually owned

>>105559962
>High quality western labor should be cheap.
Be less retarded.

>>105559013 (OP)
Trade secrets dying with the trade or something

i hope crts make a comeback, even if in limited numbers

>>105559105
>Muh Capitalism.
All current methods of exploitation and oppression rely on the concept of intellectual property which is a natural extension of the labor theory of value.
Go back to Plebbit.

>>105560584
Exploitation is exploitation regardless of method.

>>105559013 (OP)
Because no one bothered to pass down useless institutional knowledge of the manufacturing process of obsolete junk?

>>105559438
Living was cheap for boomers, but luxuries were expensive. A decent TV in 1970 would have been $3000+ in today’s money. Meanwhile median rent was like $900 in today’s money.

>>105560605
So should with change current exploitation methods with worse exploitation methods because you can't admit that capitalism isn't actually the problem?
Go back to plebbit.

>>105559174
for maybe a year after they're released, then the chinks reverse engineer everything and copy it

>>105559124
Go back to preddit.

>>105559310
literally communism

Population replacement in all white countries, that and capitalism.

>>105559612
you go sister!

>don't mind me just enriching your water supply haha

>>105559105
Any anti-capitalists for open borders I can not take serious.

>>105559105
>>105560584
actually, this makes the most sense. The only major problems I can come up with for Captialism always originates from absurd intellectual property rights. It seems like this is the true culprit anti-Capitalists are actually against.
Patent laws and copyright actively stifle technological innovation and promote monopolies. I believe this is how we are all exploited and that there should be a focus on dismantling that system instead of promoting a completely different economic system..

>>105561636
>reverse engineer
most of the time they don't have to do that. let me tell you how it works.
you maintain a friendly relationship with somebody who works in fabrication. you ask your friend for all the information he has, he gives it to you. it's literally that simple. confucist concept of xin is alive and well in china.
>but they're not supposed to!
doesn't matter. you can't prove anything, because it all happens in friendly back-channels.

if you learn to write mandarin and you get accepted into the chinese tech circle, and you earn their trust (not easy, requires a very long friendships with many people, lots of favors, them having some way to retaliate if you stab them in the back, etc), they'll share information with you too. not everybody has everything, but people know people, and after a few degrees of separation you basically do have access to everything that runs through TSMC. it's phenomenally based. they basically live in a secret FOSH world.

>that's corruption!
trade secrets are correctly recognized as a retarded anti-pattern that produces no real benefit for the whole of society. it's as retarded as "security though obscurity", because it's basically the same thing.
on top of that, the chinese are way less naive than westerners. the very notion of xin was formalized as a virtue in confucist thought because it was recognized thousands of years ago that collaboration of friends behind the backs of bureaucracy is a natural and important facet of any society.

>>105561941
>>105561778
>>105560584
>>105559232
yes the capitalism is the problem, not usury and corrupt government lobby

>>105561977
All 3 things you mentioned, are problems. Retard.

>>105562007
i never see deranged lefties talk about usury

>>105562025
They're unprincipled and retarded, i'm not surprised.

>>105559013 (OP)
>we lost the technology
It's not lost or forgotten simply the requisite infrastructure has been done away with and recreating it would cost money nobody cares to spend.

>>105559013 (OP)
because you let intellectual property survive as a concept up to this point so how all of this shit worked was 1 fucking company's corporate secret

>>105561977
there is currently no better solution than capitalism unfortunately. everything else that's been tried just results in even more corruption and failure.

>>105562129
capitalism has nothing to do with economy being dogshit

>>105562148
sure it does

>>105561977
firstly, you have to understand when those anons say "capitalism", they don't mean "capitalism" as a specific ideological formulation that you're thinking of.
secondly, capitalism is problematic in one crucial area, a rather awful blindspot in how unrestricted "property rights" can have deleterious effects on society, particularly in a post-industrial society (he predates the industrial revolution after all.)

basically capitalism as you and i understand it, does not recognize any issue with the idea that you can "own" something while having no interaction with it. no skin in the game. this is as simple as "owning" a company, but you don't actually work within the structure of the company.

this is problematic because you're more or less completely insulated from the actual implications of your ownership. because you own the company, you decide what it does, and the government exists to enforce that. if you're not actually present on the ground, you're likely to just make retarded decisions that fuck over everybody. what's worse, is that the logical conclusion of this arrangement is that the company ends up being nothing more than an abstraction for making your wallet fatter. and because the fatter your wallet, the more power you have (capital is an abstraction over power after all), you very quickly end up in a feedback loop where you end up affecting society at large with your retarded decisions.

that's at the extreme end of things, but the spectrum of stupid bullshit that arises out of overly-flexible ownership rights is vast. you ever have a corporate executive stomp all over you and make the most retarded decisions you've ever seen, thus making your life hell? same concept at play.

marxism and communism aren't in actuality successors of capitalism. syndicalism was the proper evolved state of capitalism. marxism pulled from syndicalism, but at it's core it's really more about rhetoric, hence they redefined capitalism to be a meaningless boogeyman.

>>105559013 (OP)
>we forgot how to do it
Name 1 thing

>>105562148
>capitalism has nothing to do with economy being dogshit
Source:

>>105562165
build big sandstone triangles in the middle of nowhere

The real enemy to humanity is intellectual property

>>105562174
We build sandstone buildings even today.

>>105559390
For me it’s not the price but the availability. it seems like 95% of the market is cheap particleboard crap, and when you go into a high quality furniture store where things are made of actual wood they have 2 styles and neither of them fit your house. I’d gladly pay the 3 grand they’re asking if they copied some wayfair design but with real build quality.

>>105559381
>the ship is leaking, we should do something about it
>randomly brings up fascism out of nowhere as if that means something

>>105562271
5,000 years later and no one can one up Khufu for biggest triangle

>>105560030
I personally owned a 17" Hyundai ImageQuest and it looked beautiful and it was nothing more than consumer grade.

>>105559105
>>105559124
>>105559381
>>105562166
You are an absolute NPC
Go back faggot

>>105561747
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY PRECIOUS PIECE OF BESPOKE RETRO HARDWARE
THE LAST OF ITS KIND
TO COME TO SUCH AN END

They still sell CRTs on Alibaba.

>>105559013 (OP)
crts are not that, they are not enough interest to mass produce again and almost noone will pay the handcrafted way costs

>>105562305
We can easily engineer much larger structures than this.

>>105562154
>>105562166
surface level understanding of economics
>>105562159
>does not recognize any issue with the idea that you can "own" something while having no interaction with it.
that is such a minutia to waste 5 paragraphs of text on that you might be off the meds

>>105562379
new? link?

>>105562166
>>105562154
Oh yeah, because economies without capitalism are so much better.

>>105562780
there are no economies without capitalism

>>105562828
Ding ding ding

>>105559013 (OP)
Maybe because the technology we lost became obsolete so no one cared to preserve it

>>105562839
someone could make an argument that 3rd reich or china are like fascist in the economic sense and they work but it's hard to make that argument when china is 10x purer capitalism than europe or the us

>le lost tech
>it's just another faggot retard CRT thread
When will you subhumans stop jerking off to obsolete radiation guns?

>>105562927
when mine dies

>>105562927
>stop enjoying great things
you're so toxic, even for a shill

>>105563014
>tahcksick
Go limp wrist somewhere else, faggot. Good on you proving yet again that crtroons are not native 4chan users and are flooding in form twitter-tier shitholes.
>ever using "toxic" to describe anything but a poisonous physical substance

>>105559013 (OP)
We always had lost arts. Punchcutting (making metal typefaces) had that too.

>There was apparently a drop in the number of engravers active in seventeenth-century France compared to the sixteenth, probably due to economic reasons and a saturation of the market with high-quality typefaces cut in the previous century; Pierre-Simon Fournier commented that knowledge of the technique in France degenerated after the sixteenth century to the point that "a man could hardly be found to cut the JJ consonants and UU vowels when the use of them was introduced into France".[8][18]
Basically punchcutters made themselves redundant so their skills disappeared and when they were needed to add new letters they were gone.

>>105559124
>fascist
holy fuck, he nailed your ass lmao

>>105563164
>don't enjoy things
>don't use words i don't like
bitter and toxic, just go outside for a change
you need vitamin D

>>105562768
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/21inch-High-Definition-Television-High-Definition_1600580113768.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.341f13a0rhqR2P
>minimum order : 200 pieces (around 4000$)

>>105559105
I'm perplexed by the amount of vitriol people exhibit when you criticize capitalism. Event though it's a spiritually and societal suicidal way of living.

>For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

>>105562159
Well put.
>if you're not actually present on the ground, you're likely to just make retarded decisions
My country has incredible natural areas that the government is fucking up with such retarded decisions, claiming them to be for everyone's best interest, and benefiting only large corporations in the process.

>>105562927
>it's just another faggot retard CRT thread
confirmed for not having read anything past the thumbnail image and for failing the idiot test
>radiation guns
confirmed for being a techlet

>>105563340
that nowadays is easy peasy for any punch or die maker, even guys with engravers, but on those times we lacked that machinery

>>105562890
>china is 10x purer capitalism than europe or the us
Every large china company is state controlled though.

>>105563702
>use a cathode ray tube monitor as the example of "lost tech"
>noooo I was talking about this other thing I didn't mention or show also you don't know technology because you mentioned CRTs use radiation
Cope harder faggot.

>>105563713
so is US' your point?

>>105560584
>>105561941
This, intellectual property is an evil that immiserates everyone except for the incredibly wealthy with no benefit.

>>105559438
>we lost the technology to shape wood

>>105559013 (OP)
Because not everything is documented to an extent that it can be recreated. And even if it is fully documented, the supply chain required is often extensive and no longer exists. Even if that supply chain is itself completely documented, the resources required to replicate all of it makes it not worthwhile.

>>105560653
>Living was cheap for boomers, but luxuries were expensive.
This guy gets it. We've flip-flopped, and now life is so much worse. Former luxuries have been commoditized, so we have all the trinkets, toys, baubles, and beads, but we can't afford to live.

>>105562768
new old (tube) stock and they're absolute dogshit

Oh cool he posted a CRT I definitely wanna talk about why they aren't mad-

Oh it's a thread about capitalism alright.. /pol/ subverters bamboozled me again

>>105559105
Agree. Seeking endless growth and caring only about widening profit margins has promoted a constant distancing from the fundamentals and concrete reality, and an equally constant approximation to the merely apparent, through layers upon layers of farsical abstraction. Everything worthwhile has been turned into a simulacrum of itself. Nobody knows how anything actually works anymore.

>>105559390
I just got a old dining table that no one wanted, it's solid oak. Fine for my uses.

>>105559105
People exploit other people. Blaming the system won't absolve individuals of their bad actions nor justify them.