Is it dead?

>>105572071 (OP)
I believe it's still used by pedos.

>>105572071 (OP)
You can still use it as a vpn and to port forward stuff

>>105572071 (OP)
You can still use it to buy drugs and cp

Tor is NOT anonymous.
BGP (Border Gateway Protocol). RKPI is beyond insufficient and totally undeveloped to stop BGP. Tor is simply NOT anonyous

>>105572743
ok glownigger

>>105572775
you're welcome
counter-RAPTOR
counter-Routing Attacks Privacy TOR
you know-nothing faggot

for those interested in BGP and understanding how it world (understanding how the internet works), this fundamental flaw basically destroys TOR's anonymity. When you launch Tor, you connect to what you think is a guard relay in Germany, let's say. But an attacker—(government/state) announces fake BGP routes, claiming they own that German server's IP address and your internet service provider believes the fake announcement. Your traffic gets redirected to and thru government/state servers instead of the real Tor relay that exists. The attacker sees your real IP address before forwarding your traffic to the actual Tor relay. Your anonymity dies instantly with that.

BGP Border Gateway Protocol IS THE REAL INTERNET

IT IS WHERE GLOWNIGGERS SIT AND SEE EVERYTHING.

NSA fags feel free to comment on this

I don't know so much about the technical details but it seems that the developers choose maximum convenience, and the resulting security was good enough ten years ago but not any more.
Today you'd probably need to start completely over and implement much heavier use restrictions and resource/bandwidth/hardware requirements. Something that addresses all possible attack vectors known today and where running a middle node is not optional but a requirement to use the system.

>>105572310
>and to port forward stuff
To other systems that run tor, at like 10 kb/s

>>105572071 (OP)
No it's not dead. If you explore it you will find some sovlful chatrooms and some semi-active blogs. It's not used for anything serious (unless it's something illegal)

>>105572743
BGP does not have any relationship with Tor so it's not even clear what you're trying to say. It's just a protocol for service providers to talk to each other and exchange routing data.

>>105572904
> makes up schizo lies
and worse is that it's just chatgpt gibberish. the only thing you wrote using your obese hamfists was this line:
>for those interested in BGP and understanding how it world (understanding how the internet works), this fundamental flaw basically destroys destroys TOR's anonymity.
you're so retarded and fucking stupid that you couldn't even follow capitalization of the chatgpt text to make it seem like your last remaining iq point had any ability to write anything.
the absolute state of this board's collective of talentless pedophiles and misinformation shills.

>>105573322
>I don't understand how the internet works
kek
BGP redirects traffic BEFORE it reaches the TOR network. lel

EVERYTHING APPEARS NORMAL FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE

Remember, the GOVERNMENT/CIA INVENTED THE INTERNET TO SPY ON ADVERSARIES AND YOU ARE AN ADVERSARY

>>105573345
> if i keep saying big words i don't understand then people will believe my schizo gibberish
no, you're a schizo loser that needs to be shot in the face.

>>105572071 (OP)
>>105572904
>>105572927

You'd think if it was easy to break, the anti-TOR glowies would make posts saying that TOR was super secure in order to increase their honey pot.

But instead, you get shills posting that TOR is broken... odd. All the TOR posts say to stop using TOR. How convenient for glowies who can't break TOR.

>>105572904
What is onion routing?

>>105573345
Governments would have to hack the top level networks first to change the BGP data.

>>105573345
>BGP redirects traffic before it reaches the tor network
And does what? There is no information about the destination of your request available in the first packet to enter the network, so your gay hypothetical attack doesn't even work.

>>105573374
And it would only break your anonymity accessing clearnet sites over TOR.

>>105573322
>It's just a protocol for service providers to talk to each other and exchange routing data.
Your ISP is given an IP and service by the maintainers and controllers of the internet. VERIZON AT&T and others. Essentially CIA/DARPA/NSA

How many of you retards actually vet your ISPs for security and privacy? To find out if any of them use RPKI on their networks and nodes? 0
Were you to do so, you'll come to understand that your ISPs are OWNED by the backbone internet providers. Still, this is somewhat separate from TOR, where your traffic is controlled and routed to nodes that DO NOT implement RPKI and guess what? THE PRIVACY AND SECURITY ARE REGION SPECIFIC!!!
>>105573364
nah, you're just a know-nothing fag
>>105573373
because it is, well, not broken, but not secure and not anonymous. the internet simply isn't
>>105573392
the government CREATED the ENTIRE internet, retard.
>>105573413
holy fucking know-nothing mongoloid. it redirects traffic to/thru the backbone (CIA/DARPA/NSA) then to the destination

>>105573345
The government can't even keep browns from illegally entering the country, they can't figure out shit.

>>105573393
It helps if you run enough adversarial relays to run a side channel attack to try and ID someone.

>>105573428
You write like someone who never used TOR.

>>105573428
How do they break the encryption? Every random router passes data.

>>105573430
>just control all the relays bro, it's a crazy innovative new attack, tor is finished
So basically you have no argument

>>105573459
you "write" like your mommy on her facebook page. be a man for once in your life and chill the fuck out
>>105573460
RAPTOR

>>105573428
> replies with even more laughable schizophrenic trash
please, do us all a favour and kill yourself. not only do you know nothing about tor, you know nothing about everything. there are people shitting on the streets of india that have never used a computer before than know more about tor than you ever will. did you forget what happened already? you're so fucking stupid that you posted chatgpt text here, added your own rambling to the start of it, and it's STILL wrong. embarrassing.

>>105573500
>your mom tho
You lost

>>105573503
>>105573524
I accept your concession


The internet is simply NOT ANONYMOUS
BGP routes intercept and hijack traffic. it basically IS the internet protocol and is NOT anonymous. ALL traffic, including TOR traffic runs through BGP. END OF STORY

>>105573500
> raptor
they caught people using blockchain transactions, you compulsive lying retard. they didn't even need tor. you really do believe that search engines are only available to fat delusional pedophiles such as yourself, don't you?
>>105573546
> pls stop
you're an embarrassing and intellectually bankrupt retard. what other schizo lies do you have to share so we can all shit on them?

>>105573546
No one claimed what you claim we did. You still fall flat because nothing what you say has anything to do with anything. Fuck off already

>>105573556
ISPs ASNs are owned by glowniggers. glowniggers sit at the top and have a bird's eye view of the ENTIRE topology and can see EVERYTHING. BGP interceptions and hijacks are built into the entire internet. cry more
>>105573566
yet, here you are crying like a bitch

>>105573587
Your mom is owned by glowniggers.

>>105573587
> makes up more schizo lies
> has no idea how BGP works but keeps mentioning it anyway

>>105573546
Retard, your isp doesn't need bgp to see your traffic. The traffic is going through their system and they can just look at the traffic. Everything is built with things like this in mind.

>>105573587
>glowniggers sit at the top and have a bird's eye view of the ENTIRE topology and can see EVERYTHING. BGP interceptions and hijacks are built into the entire internet
What does this have to do with BGP?

>>105573587

[spoiler]Autonous systems host TOR relays.
An autonomous system is a network controlled by an organization, like your ISP, for example, or a TOR hosting company. each autonymous system gets assigned a unique number called ASN, for example, Comcast is AS7922 and google is AS15169.
When you connect to the internet, your traffic travels through multiple autonymous systems to reach its actual destination.
Many of these networks have pretty terrible resilience, against BGP hijacking and interception.

He's actually right and I have been discussing this for years. OVH is a French Tor Hosting company that has a resilience score, according to an MIT study and audit, of .4 and they run 339 Tor relays all over the world.

>>105573719
>>105573750

With OVH, when the feds are ready to do a sweep, 60%-70% of Tor user IPs are exposed, at will, due to BGP traffic protocols that Tor relies on.

both hijack and interception attacks, expose your real identity. so for hijack attacks, about 20%, of networks hosting Tor relays, have resilient scores below point .32 and that means over two thirds of users connecting to those networks get compromised when attacks happen, another 20% of networks have "high resilience" above .61, meaning most users stay "protected", interception attacks, show better overall resilience because they are harder to actually execute in the long run, but, this is all region specific. more than likely, it glownigger coordinates aren't allowed to be sniffed and traffic redirected

>>105572071 (OP)
I'd say you can use it to buy drug but i use i2p more lol.

>>105573872
Govenrment/CIA/FBI run these markets. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Why do some networks have such poor resilience? it really comes down to internet tOpology. think of the internet as a hierarchy. tier 1 networks, like at&t, and verizon (CIA/NSA/DARPA) sit at the very top, because they own the backbone infrastructure, because they invented it and don't pay anyone for internet access.
Below them, are tier 2 networks that buy access from tier 1 networks, or tier 1 providers.
Hosting companies usually sitt lower in this hierarchy as customers and are not really providers.
OVH has 4 provider networks that are all tier 1 internet backbones. basically owned by CIA/MOSSAD/NSA/DARPA and it has many peer networks, but only one customer network.
So this topology makes OVH highly dependent on its provider, and peers for actual Tor routing.

>>105572071 (OP)
>there is plenty of onion sites out there

DuckDuckgo, Proton Mail, BBC, Facebook, NYtimes, Reuters, EFF,

ummm anons...he's right...[???]
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.00843

>>105573925
>>105573979
>>105574000
*farts in your mouth*

uhhhhhh privacy anons
w
t
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkk

No no no no no
Not like this tor sistas.
Not like this

>>105573298
>To other systems that run tor
It's like crying you need a vpn client to connect to a vpn
>at like 10 kb/s
Yeah? That's good enough to establish a tcp connection and if you really want to upload/download files with full speed of your network you can just divide them into small chunks and then forward them with multiple 10 kb/s gateways. The fact I even have to tell you this proves you're a dimwit.

>>105574067
>>105574178
tldr qa lost

>>105572071 (OP)
>install tor
>view circuit
>you->germany->usa->germany->website
>refresh, new circuit
>you->usa->germany->->website
>refresh, new circuit
>you->germany->usa->website
>refresh, new circuit

lmao

>>105574282
What's the story with the germglow?

>>105574447
my point is circuits used to be far more complex containing countries from all over the world, and now its just
>usa->random EU country where you get arrested for tweets against the local mayor->usa

obviously glows from a mile away

never trusted it to begin with
this is why u don't do stupid shit
on the internet

>>105574282
>>105574491
this is because us, germany, and netherlands have all major hosters and legal framework
https://tormap.org/ has guard nodes clustered by behavior, actual picture is a bit different (e.g. Poland, Sweden, Finland, Bulgaria)

>>105574067
>>105574178
Paper title?

>>105575474
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.00843

Counter-RAPTOR: Safeguarding Tor Against Active Routing Attacks

The fuck is that BGP retard rambling about? They don't need to do sketchy routing to get you in their gateway, they can just run their own public ones.

Any info about archetyp?

>>105576445
he's trolling

>>105576445
seems like a case of poisoning the well; by flooding the thread with schizo nonsense, actual answers look like schizo ramblings too.

>>105572259
>>105572324
shit like this is poisoning too

>>105573750
>>105573790
and posts like these provide no actual proof of the claims they are making, pretty much invalidating them.

>>105576445
He's just learned an attack on the Tor network and now he's ready to share FUD. /g/ is filled to the brim with people like that.
Tor has its pitfalls due to unfortunate design decisions made in the past and it can't guarantee anonymity under certain conditions, but it's not broken. Far from it, targeting a Tor user is unlikely and time-consuming. So Tor works, and it works exceedingly well if you do some hardening changes like checking who's your guard nodes (note: Tor ships with vanguards-lite since 0.4.7 so you don't have to care so much about L2 nodes), generating noise, running Tor when you're not using it, etc.

>>105576661
The OVH claim might be right but that's because they're a generic hosting provider, anybody can rent a VPS and host a tor node in there but that doesn't mean they're compromised.
I think you can still get deanomized if your gateway and the site you're reaching are compromised but it has nothing to do with BGP and it's a weak correlation at best IE: timestamps of events without actual knowledge of the traffic.

>>105572743
dont care, Tor is free IP and DomenName

>>105573872
>i2p
I looked at it seems cool, but too complicated for the average privacy connoisseur and not enough content to justify the lengths to set up it up. Maybe in the future they might stand toe to toe with tor?

>>105573305
Names of chatrooms?

>>105576611
>Market in maintenance
ASNT is usually very good at transparency. Hope it's not an exit scam, they are doing so well with great reputation.
But the Swedish sellers there are fucking shit, god i miss FS 2.0

>>105573925
Not only it is wrong, it doesn't matter because the market never gets your personnel info as you encrypt your messages with the merchant's pgp key.

>>105572071 (OP)
I2P+ is superior. IT is DDoS proof the more people use it.

>>105574447
largest nsa listening post east of london

>>105574282
I never get USA. Netherlands and Germany are more common though.

>>105572927
They can't see encrypted data.

>>105573556
>pedophile
Made up word.

>>105572071 (OP)
More than a decade ago.

>>105578511
>apt install i2pd
>enable upnp in /etc/i2pd/i2pd.conf
>systemctl restart i2pd
>wait 20 minutes and set proxy to 127.0.0.1:4444

>>105579001
> made up word
> posts screenshot of word existing
good luck with your crippling retardation, fatty.

>>105579442
no.

>>105578511
>, but too complicated for the average privacy connoisseur and not enough content to justify the lengths to set up it up.
it's complicated for retards. you only have to change proxy setting in your browser, open a port and that's it. retards can't do this. this is why retards shouldn't be allowed to own computers.

>>105572071 (OP)
Unless you're a pedo or want to buy firearms illegally. Even then it's all honeypots and scams

>>105578523
If you don't find them organically it ruins the magic
Also don't talk about sekrit clubs

>>105572071 (OP)
>Is it dead?
dont care, hosting bridges on residental ips, glowniggers tongue my anus

>>105574282

>>105572071 (OP)
Why did they wreck the website?
Who thought it was a good idea to use Alegria graphics???

https://blog.torproject.org/meet-new-torprojectorg/

Luckily Tor itself is still good but look at this:
New (bad): https://www.torproject.org/
Old (good): https://2019.www.torproject.org/

The new website functionality is awful. Just finding the tor stable manual is tricky. Uh, where the fuck is it...? The "How can we help?" search in support is just doing a search on duckduckgo...

>>105578379
Anon, can you help me? What do I need to put in torrc to make this work?
I'm just getting
>The proxy server is refusing connections

I'm not using "Tor Browser", trying to get it to work just using Tor (what they call the "expert bundle"). It's impossible to find a minimum viable example of torrc, is the Tor project not going so well or what is going on? The website is focused 100% on the "tor browser" but I just want to use tor. Where is the guide or examples?

>>105582920
not him
>The website is focused 100% on the "tor browser"
no, its all on the website, you want to look for how to set up a bridge

>>105583064
What i find is talking about adding ORPort, which I don't want to do. Tor Browser doesn't run as a relay and is able to be used as a proxy while running, I just want to do the same with Tor (not the browser bundle).

If you know the answer would you mind sharing it, please?
I assume this is an important part:
ClientTransportPlugin meek_lite,obfs2,obfs3,obfs4,scramblesuit,webtunnel exec <path>\PluggableTransports\lyrebird.exe

>>105583149
SocksPort 9050

then set your browser to use socks5://127.0.0.1:9050

read the man pages: https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/tor/torrc.5.en.html#THE_CONFIGURATION_FILE_FORMAT

ps; if you do not know what you are doing, just use Tor Browser. by using a different browser you are potentially harming your own OPSEC

>>105583617
i was sure it automatically used "SocksPort 9050" because when looking at resource manager port 9050 was bound by tor.exe

was AFK for a while but i will try adding "SocksPort 9050" now

>>105583617
>>105583639
nope, that didn't work, still getting "The proxy server is refusing connections"

i have read the manual but not everything, naturally. i would read every single option in the man page if it wasn't a bible that mixes everything together, if there was a man page that only has options related to using tor as a client then i'd get right on reading that

i just want to set up tor as a client (not a relay), i don't know why they don't provide any examples of this

>>105583676
wait, never mind, im an idiot. apparently i had entered 9150 as the port in firefox, it works with 9050. god fucking damn it, i was sure i had double checked it. sorry...

>>105583704
as always, the problem is between the chair and the computer.

>>105583771
I had at least entered Tor Browser's 9150 and not something like 4321.

>>105573373
>glowies who can't break TOR
Does anyone believe this, seriously? They have backdoors everywhere, even in Windows, and you think they don't have any power over the devs who work on Tor. Seriously?

>>105581880
How do you open that windows?

>>105572743
Elaborate

>>105579001
>

>>105572743
Built for BGP