> Windows 10 support ends October 14 2025 - 124 Days
> 50% of users are still on Windows 10
> Windows 11 technically requires TMP 2, making tons of hardware "unsupported"

You think Microsoft will really pull the plug on 10? Or will they extend free support? Are you still on Windows 10? What is your plan?

11 must be the worst windows ever made

>>105573038 (OP)
why cant they just keep supporting windows 10?

>>105573061
Sure feels that way, but have to admit 95/98/ME era was pretty bad due to frequent crashes/blue screens.

>>105573081
They originally said that Windows 10 would be the last. Guess not.

>>105573038 (OP)
All the relevant first world countries are already 55%, 60%, 65% etc on W11, it's just turdies on old machines with cracked windows copies still running Windows 10. Nobody really cares, they don't contribute to MS in any way either, their data is pointless since they are poor. No real reason not to pull the plug, but for actual first worlders whose data is valuable, they'll make them pay for ESR and those people will have support and security for many years to come.

>>105573236
95/98/ME had problems, but there was no malice
it was just unpolished tech

11 is horrible by design

You can install 11 on anything

>>105573269
Sure for now, what happens when they force an update the rechecks for tmp 2 every time Windows updates?

>>105573061
I usually don't give a fuck when these updates come. But 11 actually sucks dick. I have a work ThinkPad and it takes 30 seconds for the start menu to load. It keeps updating every other day and just gets slower and slower. It's not an amazing giga laptop but it has your average business laptop specs.

Is anyone using Win 11 and has it working fine?

Is it possible to debloat in case we are forced to switch in the end. I wish they just made a Windows Legacy version which kept a simple UI from XP/7 and turned off all the telementary dogshit they have.

>>105573038 (OP)
>You think Microsoft will really pull the plug on 10? Or will they extend free support?
Why should I care? My (one) Win10 box runs. No need to change.

If I use my computer passed the end of life date, will I die?

>>105573367
Which model?

>>105573404
I consider it to be better than W10 in most aspects. It's easy to debloat. Here's tips for what I'd do if I were to start fresh, I keep this in my notes.

>Grab clean USB stick, grab media creation tool from microsoft site, verify it's digitally signed, install onto USB stick in your desired language, run error check afterwards to be sure there's no faults since some USB sticks are weird
>check if your motherboard is up to date, q-flash to latest if needed by grabbing from mb site and putting file on stick
>factory reset motherboard settings after update, and make sure to overclock ram if needed, enable secureboot/tpm if not enabled, and enable 4g/rebar if not enabled, disable cancerous gigabyte app center
>install windows on ssd, say no to factory key since it's pre-activated with MAS, choose Pro as edition, install offline with ethernet cable disabled and a local account using oobe\bypassnro in cmd, say no to all telemetry and other optional services
>After it lets you, safely eject the usb, go into settings, disable mouse acceleration, turn off screen timeout, disable hybernation in terminal, disable connected user experiences and telemetry in services, open gpedit and set allow diagnostic data to 0, restart the device then if autistic enough look up windows 11 privacy settings by stellarsand on github and apply everything manually without scripts, connect to ethernet cable, and grab all updates, make sure both ms store and windows update is finished fully, then go on ms store, download jpgxl extension and powershell 7, then set terminal to use powershell 7 by default and install winget and fastfetch, after that delete every single app that's not necessary manually through either settings app or winget if settings doesn't show it or allow it, if you want to remove recommended section from start menu or annoying slowly loading new context menu shit go on w11forums and search for it under tutorial section
>download minimal amd drivers, steam, uBO

>>105573404
mine is working fine all I did
>run titus script: set services to manual, set updates to recommended
>run O&O shutup 10 with standard settings
>disable copilot in gpedit
>run defender remover
16gb ram, amd ryzen 7

>>105573248
>t's just turdies on old machines with cracked windows copies still running Windows 10
Pretty much
Anyone who uses a PC regularly has gotten a new one in the last 6-7 years.

I don't necessarily agree with the hardware limitations of Windows 11 but people still using Sandy bridge CPUs, or Haswell era CPUs, all of its over a decade old.
People have zero clue how much of a privilege it has been for these systems to have brute force their way through the decade.

>if i remove windows 11, then 11 becomes kinda usable, but not that much

>>105573340
unlikely that ms would brick an already running installation. They get data and marketshare anyway.
The most likely outcome would be bugs and other issues which ms wouldn't need to give you support for. But not fully bricking your machine.

>>105573437
you will die either way.

>>105573236
>Sure feels that way, but have to admit 95/98/ME era was pretty bad due to frequent crashes/blue screens.
at least that wasn't out of outright deliberate malice

>>105573038 (OP)
I haven't updated since 2021 anyway. Why should I care?

>>105573610
>Anyone who uses a PC regularly has gotten a new one in the last 6-7 years.
I got my shit in 2018 and on the rare occasion I play video games, it's the same low demand shit from the 00s. There's literally no reason for me to get a new build, especially since hardware costs got completely fucked.
But no, I'm out of date and out of compliance so I'm not allowed to continue using Win10 OR install Win11 without buying new shit.

>>105574632
>he bought ryzen

>>105573610
>People have zero clue how much of a privilege it has been for these systems to have brute force their way through the decade.
Que? I still use a bunch of Ivy Bridge and Haswell machines because they still do what I need them to. Intel released half a decade's worth of Super Skylake 2 Turbo Remix HD &KNUCKLES feat. Dante from the Devil May Cry series.
Moore's Law lost out to the laws of physics. Every upgrade prior to these dinosaurs I'm dragging through time (power is cheap here. Don't care about efficiency in the slightest when my fucking air conditioner and refrigerator are 90% of my utility bill) was a gigantic leap in performance every 2 years. That stopped happening.

Anyways on IoT LTSC so I'm good until the power supplies in these things finally explode.

>>105574962
>Que?
Using ivy bridge today is like using a pentium II in 2010 in terms of pure age.

I'd like to hear how its not a privilege that 13-14 year old machines can even run a modern OS, much less do anything relevant on that OS.

>omg they must still be making viruses for windoze 98 in 2025
Just keep the old version forever. Who cares what normies are doing?
It was only a problem when the jeets were pushing 10 for free and you had to be paranoid about every update.

>>105573404
I decided to give it a try until I buy second SSD for linux when I bought second laptop using government program that required laptop to have OS installed. I simply slapped AtlasOS on top of it.

>>105573248
>>105573610
Because of government and corporate shit. Government is clueless, for example teacher that worked before me updated W7 to W10 on PCs with 4GB RAM. Corporate shit does it to shove responsibility and tech support onto Microshit, they are easily scared of responsibility for fuckups so they are eager to "trust established companies and experts", and low position workers who will have to deal with using this shit will just swallow it all because they are afraid to stick head out + they only care for their job software to work, they couldn't care less about telemetry or bloat.

>>105575452
Windows 10 runs perfectly on 4GB ram

>>105575452
trusting the established companies and experts makes sense. its better to have a slower PC with security support and compatibility with new programs and prepare the kids for the actual field out there rather than fuck them up by teaching them some meme linux foss alternatives or some old windows version with 2003 apps

Just ran the .iso with

setup.exe /product server

Works perfectly. I won't waste time for non issues.

>>105575548
Btw, the installer lets you keep all files. No need to burn it to anything it just work out of box. Windows 10 can mount isos.

>>105573038 (OP)
These retarded niggercattle will upgrade to W11 just like they upgraded from W8.1. MS already backtracked on TPM 2.0 because W12 coming out in 2026 will have the requirement instead.
I use Arch, btw.

>>105573081
They needed to update the terms of the OEM contracts to tighten their grip.

>>105573038 (OP)
Windows 7 user here. I have no plan. lmao

>>105575508
Not newer versions when you try to run bloat called Visual Studio on it while system constantly downloads shit in the background. You're forgetting OS isn;t only thing requiring RAM. Those PCs unironically run better without internet connection when I unplug them and restore 2-3 year old clones from images for exams.

>>105575531
Not when opening VS takes couple minutes and compilation of basic shit takes dozen. Also business is so bloated, pajeetificated and filled with humanities turds using it as pretend job and welfare, and there is such massive competency crisis, expert titles and established names don't mean shit. Only 9 out of 24 computers in my room are able to run all the modern shit because those 9 are actually new, rest came with W7 when they were bought. On old ones I don't even bother installing VS anymore, I just tell them to use Code:Blocks for C/C++, and use dotnet commands in Visual Studio Code with plugins when programming in C#. Thank god I don't teach mobile apps because Android Studio is even bigger pile of shit.

>>105575103
>Using ivy bridge today is like using a pentium II in 2010
False

>>105575926
PII was 13 years old in 2010
Ivy bridge is 13 years old in 2025

>>105575959
lmao
stupid zoomer

>>105573038 (OP)
>What is your plan?
A few years ago I was hoping that W11 would be sufficiently de-shittified to actually use by the time W10 no longer receives updates, but I use it on my work machine and that does not really seem to be the case, it's still very significantly shitty, so using W11 is kind of a last-ditch option.

Other options are to use W10 LTSC or some flavor of Linux. I dipped my toes in modern desktop Linux a bit and I can say it has improved significantly, but there are still annoying / tedious issues that I don't really want on my main desktop. There's no way to control the hardware mixer in my audio interface, video games run but not quite all of them and NVIDIA performance (i.e. the only option for high-performance cards) is worse than Windows, Stream Deck support only exists unofficially and some other little issues that aren't major dealbreakers but the situation clearly is not ideal.

So I guess going with W10 LTSC is the most practical choice. I haven't given it a spin but since it's still Windows I would expect everything to still work. W11 still seems awful. Of course, just ignoring updates and using W10 Pro moving forward is an option as well.

>>105573038 (OP)

Windows 11 offers no benefits to the user over Windows 10, and I'm not upgrading anything just because a floor-shitting Indian at Microdick orders me to.

>>105575959
Age is more than a number. No meaningful advances in processors have been made in the past 13 years. Just theoretical ones. Next you'll quote some meaningless numbers at me, in vain.

>>105573367
>it's not an amazing giga laptop but it has your average business laptop specs.
that's the exact problem with this shit and it's gonna make the house of cards come crashing down. Big companies are not ready to make the total move to W11 because W11 ready hardware costs a fortune

>>105576033
>I haven't given it a spin but since it's still Windows I would expect everything to still work
You're going to be at the mercy of software vendors. W10 LTSC is not a standard release, so as far as you're concerned that they're concerned, once Microsoft stops supporting standard W10, continuing to target W10 as a demographic isn't gonna be a thing.

>>105576108
>continuing to target W10 as a demographic isn't gonna be a thing.
This is nonsensical, software vendors can't afford to tell 50-60% of their user base to fuck off. Microsoft can because it's not Windows they're actually making money from and the OS at this point is nothing but a method to gather data, push ads and funnel people to their other subscriptions and products, but a 3rd party software vendor that actually has a business based on selling their software would have to be really dumb to suddenly cut support for half their users.

>>105573516
Jesus Christos. I just download the disyro iso and I'm off to the races.

>>105576169
i could do the same, this is for making things "perfect" for my workflow. and windows is infinitely more usable without tinkering than linux is, i can now install any program or vidya i want without issues and everything will work without any tinkering at all, on the other hand on troonix i couldn't go a week without having to tinker with something, on linux you cant even take updates or filesystems or basic audio for granted, shit breaks every day

>>105573038 (OP)
I kept my W7 machine until google/steam made it unusable a couple of years ago. I will likely do the same with my current W10 PC, though I will also experiment with linux some time in the next few months, problem is every time I start to settle on a distro, eg Mint, there's suddenly a thread shitting on it and puts me off attempting it.

>>105576142
>This is nonsensical, software vendors can't afford to tell 50-60% of their user base to fuck off.
I have a couple questions for you

Do you know the primary goal of businesses?
Do you know how expensive LTSC licenses are?
Do you know how important it is to stay updated for the sake of security on current year Windows machines?

Put all of these together and you arrive at a conclusion where, if Microsoft stops supporting non-LTSC Windows 10, Windows 11 is gonna be the target for the entire for profit industry.

October 14 will come for us all.

>>105573516
How do you deal with the hundreds of hidden telemetry sources and background processes that make your rig seem like it has a crypto miner?

>>105576218
All the distros are the same where it matters. The differences are mostly cosmetic. The retards shitting on particular distros are trolling faggots splitting hairs, never listen to them.

>>105573038 (OP)
What % of users still used XP and 7 when they became officially unsupported?

>>105576245
>All the distros are the same where it matters.
Debian based and Arch based operates nothing alike. Other than that sure

>>105576230
So then why isn't the market share changing? What exactly is going to happen in the world that exists between your ears, W10 is going to go from over half market share to 0% once October rolls around? We're a few months out and people are clearly not moving to W11, just as they haven't for the years it's been out, just how they haven't moved to Vista and haven't moved to 8. Well, not quite like that, W11 isn't quite such a massive failure, but in any case it's not the only version of Windows which failed to grab the market.

>>105576281
>So then why isn't the market share changing?
Because... Microsoft is still supporting Windows 10 until 14 October?

>no more annoying asks to reboot for updates

Finally.

>>105576230
>How do you deal with the hundreds of hidden telemetry sources and background processes that make your rig seem like it has a crypto miner?
no such thing, one gpedit change disables all telemetry. and even with telemetry enabled those services and scheduled tasks don't use any real resources. The only debloating you need to do on windows is disable startup apps in settings by clicking on a few apps and then making sure you have the latest drivers for gpu installed.

>>105576340
>and even with telemetry enabled those services and scheduled tasks don't use any real resources. The only debloating you need to do on windows is disable startup apps in settings by clicking on a few apps and then making sure you have the latest drivers for gpu installed.
Total bullshit. Leave a fresh Windows install machine untouched for 5 minutes and it will fire up a billion background services which your CPU is gonna make very obvious by turning into a jet

>>105576296
You've never worked a day in your life, have you?

>>105576353
Nope, not sure what you are talking about. Only way that your CPU will ramp up is if you have a bunch of startup shit on boot, and if you leave your PC untouched for like 10 minutes after boot then it'll most likely run a daily windows defender scan and also check for updates on everything so it'll ramp cpu up. Telemetry service has a service and that shit uses like 2mb of ram and 0.0000001 of a 5th gen cpu

>>105576369
Did you mean to reply to yourself?

>>105576369
>You've never worked a day in your life, have you?
>Projection
Very telling when you don't know people will never act until the scary message telling them their balls will explode pops up.

I'll just stick with 10, don't care for updating, reinstalling windoze etc. 'Aint nobody got time for dat'

>>105573038 (OP)
There are people who will just bend over and take any Indian cock up the ass all the way, these are the people currently using Windows 10 and they will update to 11. Then there are the holdouts, they only like to taste Pajeet cock on their lips every day. They will continue to hold out as long as possible, then upgrade to Windows 11.

>>105576194
That's a lot of words to say you're retarded.

>>105573038 (OP)
>Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 (Build 19044): This version's extended support ends on January 13, 2032.
Not my problem.

>you have to update because.... because well... YOU JUST HAVE TO OK?
No, fuck off.
t. have had auto updates disabled via GPEdit for years and haven't updooted in over 14 months

>>105573038 (OP)
next major windows release will offer computer less desktop expersience by buying compute from them directly. they dont want you to own a computer anymore. they want to host your desktop on the cloud and while it may be super fast and high performance you will not physically own it, only license it and access via internet.

>>105573061
Vista and 8 were worse

>>105573404
>Is anyone using Win 11 and has it working fine?
It took me a year until I fell into any issue which is something I'm trying to fix >>105576980 but after like seven hours of troubleshooting I'm just gonna fresh install and say "To hell with it" since my C drive barely has anything that can't be reinstalled in a few minutes once I get up and running.

All I did was use Rufus to create an edited ISO of the official installer, ran ChrisTitus' scipt with the "Recommended" settings, ran O&O Shut Up with the recommended settings, and it was completely smooth sailing. Never had any dll errors, never had any random crashes, never had a blue screen, never had performance issues, never had issues installing anything, MS Store and searches were instant, etc. I've also set up a relative's laptop with the same setup and they've been going fine for about 6 months now.

My only issue with W11 (Outside of the need to debloat) is the fact that I can't get my taskbar icons on my second monitor without making it my primary monitor which W10 let me do. Everything else I had issues with in W10 was fixed for me in W11 and the tabbed file explorer alone is a godsend. I guess the start menu kind of sucks that it's smaller than W10 but that's negligible.

People are absolutely right to be hesitant about Microsoft's insane push for AI, telemetry, and the hoops you have to jump through are very very annoying, but I think a lot of the hatred for it ties back to the early updates. Nowadays it's (mostly) fine if you want to be a casual user that occasionally has to do power user stuff and I personally would not go back to W10, especially not after the tabbed file explorer.

>>105573367
>it takes 30 seconds for the start menu to load
That's because the Windows 11 start menu is written in JavaScript.
Yep.

>>105578305
>Vista and 8 were worse
Not at all
Vista RTM was pretty bad but Vista SP2 fixed pretty much everything, and it was released in a much shorter time than Windows 11 has been around
Windows 8 was pretty good, the vast majority of /g/ shits on it without ever actually having used it. They installed it, and at the instant they were first greeted with the start screen, turned 360, moonwalked the fuck away and reinstalled Windows 7. You all know this is true.
Windows XP RTM was also a buggy unstable crash prone clusterfuck and it only became usable by the time XP SP2 was released.
Windows 7 was the exception because it is Vista SP3 with a rebranding and a new desktop theme.
The thing with Windows 11, is that by now it's been around way longer than any other Windows versions took to get their shit together. However instead of fixing or improving what's broken, the Microjeet motto's now seems to be "If it isn't broken, then break it"

I have converted all my computers more recent than 2019 to Windows 11 LTSC enterprise IoT - everything works perfectly on it, including all software. This is the way to go for computers with top of the line components needing to operate the most popular major brand software like microsoft, adobe bloatware, steamOS games, DaVinci Resolve, etc.

On my older computers, I've installed all Windows 10 LTSC enterprise IoT. They all work perfectly. This is the way to go for older or shittier computers. Use massgrave activations. Everything is free until microsoft cracks down on it. Go for it - everything werks.

>>105573038 (OP)
Install CachyOS

>>105573038 (OP)
>> 50% of users are still on Windows 10

and I'm not leaving before at least windows 12 and if its crap I will stay on windows 10

>>105573061
bro, remember vista? remember the metro thing? remember windows 95?

>>105573822
>unlikely
Not good enough. 100% guarantee or fuck off.

>>105573367
man. i remember when it took 15 mins for mine just to get everything loaded on first login. then our tightass boss finally replaced our nearly ten year old laptops. win 11 still sucks though. running 10 ltsc at home, shit's great. still like 7 the most though, but i do miss how colourful the vista icon set was, especially the notification area icons

>>105573437
it would be extremely painful

>>105578324
>can't get my taskbar icons on my second monitor without making it my primary monitor
DisplayFusion

>>105573516
can it be a usb thats been used before or not?

>>105573575
>remove windows defender.
do you use any anti virus at all or just check what you download at virustotal?

>>105574632
>poor
you’re poorer than a man on benefits that smokes weed daily. come on, do better.
>>105574962
>que
opinion discarded

>>105575563

i did that with windows 10. if i can bang a debloated 11 and not have to reinstall EVERYTHING i might give it a go.

>>105577356

dont get a new gpu otherwise you might need to update drivers and u cant have that

>>105579548
I don't use any antivirus or virustotal
adblock is enough, every 6 months I do a Malwarebytes scan
System has been up and running for more than 3 years now

>>105573081
they are supporting it until 2032

>>105579566
>GPU drivers
Same shit, any time I update them it ends up causing performance issues.

>>105573061
>UI is literally a webapp
Yes no fucking shit it is.

>>105573248
ESR only helps if your apps continue to support windows 10. so probably fine for your local DMV not fine for a home user who wants turbotax or whatever.

>>105573038 (OP)
They'll just force it, what are you gonna do? Switch to a different OS? Normies can't do that. I can't update because no tpm but they keep pushing that win11 campaign shit to me about "your windows journey is continuing" or whatever longhoused language they use. The absolute hatred i feel for microsoft is actually insane, every time i see it i'm enraged. Ultimately you (me) has no power and will just eat the shit

>>105580146

My PC is an Intel P55/Lynnfield so isn't supported by Windows 11. It's the final push I needed to switch to Linux Mint and I noticed a huge improvement in performance immediately.
>inb4 upgrade your PC
I have zero reason to do so.

>>105573248
The only reason W11 is "winning" support is because normie retards keep buying PCs and just stick with what the default OS is which in 99% of modern computers is W11

>>105573081
They can and they are, they are just charging money for it now :^)
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates

>>105580146
just download win10 ltsc and disable updates. Occasionally install the rollup security updates.

>>105576023
>>105576081
What you tards aren't getting is this shit is old by any objective metric.
You can argue to the hills that oh CPUs haven't advance so they shouldn't be dropped but on the end its all decade old commodity hardware and there is zero need for it to stick around. Most people have moved on already.

>>105576255
One has old packages, one has new packages. It seems like a big deal to you but it's not even a thing normies would notice or care about.

>>105582524
new packages is definitely something new users care about. it's enterprises that value stability over new features.

>>105573038 (OP)
W11 is much better anyway

>>105573038 (OP)
I still haven't downgraded to win 10, from win 7. We'll get around to it. I'm an eventualist, maybe.

>running windows 10 on a dogshit dual core 8gb laptop from 10+ years ago just fine
>can still run office 2021 and basic apps
1080p video is a bit shit but who cares
everything else is good
windows 11 is retarded jeetware

Piece of shit pajeet soft, wtf is even this message?

>>105573404
forced to use win11 at work
explorer patcher removes most of the nonsense UI changes they made.

With a little bit more effort you can also get the old notepad.exe back that launches in 2ms instead of 2000.

It's still a massive resource hog, running hundreds of processes in the background by default and I don't think you can de-enshittfy that properly.

>Use Windows 10 Education edition
>A few days ago, the Activate Windpws watermarks appears
Windows only says "there are issues connecting to verify W10 activation" and similar.
>Editing Registry and other methods dont work/Work at start but then dread mark appears again
Did the latest update fuck up W10, or its just me?

>>105578457
So what?

>>105573038 (OP)
If they want people to move to 11 then why don't they just fucking fix 11? XP for example was absolute garbage on launch but became great when SP2 came out, why can't they fix what people complain about and iron out the bugs if they want everyone to use 11 so much?

>>105580146
Download the iso anyway. Then start it with cmd: setup.exe /product server

>>105585611
They have done so, plenty.

>>105585701
Clearly they're fixing it wrong then because you can't even move the taskbar out of the bottom or shrink it yet.

>>105585676
if normals can’t switch their OS then they DEFINITELY can’t figure out downloading an “ISO” and using “cmd” to start it

>>105574632
>so I'm not allowed to continue using Win10 OR install Win11 without buying new shit.

You can run either in a VM with a Linux host. I do.

My plan is to keep using it until I can't.

>>105578305
Not even close. 8 had a gross for children, UI but it worked.

I don't understand why webshit is being used instead of native code. Do they really think users won't notice everything being webview/xaml. That makes it chug on high end hardware. They aren't even using WinUI. Just limbs of Edge everywhere.

>>105590317
every second another boomer retiers and gets replaced by multiple pajeets outsourcing their work to each other

idc

let the normies eat their cattle. its good for them

>>105573248
fpbp and /thread
this is exclusively a poorshit problem
hence why /g/ is always crying about it