The cell processor was ahead of its time

>>105580011 (OP)
PS3 looks better

>>105580019
that's the point, dumbo
>>105580011 (OP)
don't think anyone disagreed but that didn't make it easier to develop for

>>105580011 (OP)
top one looks better.
I stopped playing NFS more than a decade ago

>>105580047
>I stopped playing NFS more than a decade ago
It fell off instantly when they changed it into a faggy street racing/ricer sim instead of just "drive a supercar through a cool landscape".

The cell processor didn't make games look good or bad.

>>105580011 (OP)
Videogames are for children.

>>105580101
Shut up manchild

>1997 to 2006
incomprehensible graphics improvement
>2007 to 2025
stagnation
>inb4 muh gay tracing

>>105580101
Anything that isn't making me (a jew) money is for children. I certainly hope you're not European or Asian because you're posting here on my time you fucking goy.

>>105580011 (OP)
It had an interesting design but flawed. IBM and Microsoft completely fooled Sony (IBM engineers wrote a book about it).

>>105580180
Qrd?

>>105580076
You fell off in 2002?

>>105580011 (OP)
It's not the hardware, it's corporate trying to "save costs" by giving up on perfectly tailored genre-specific engines and investing 1000x the money into their designated One Engine To Rule Them All.
This is known from ancient times to be a fucking terrible idea that results in trash fire software, but try telling that to MBA niggers.

>>105580199
the cell was a master/slave like cpu, 1 master core which was a typical PPC ibm design, and 8 SPUs(6 of which were usable for games), these SPUs aren't general purpose processors, so they have limited functionality, but they are very powerful. making use of them properly was quite difficult at the time because it was completely alien to anything a game developer would have used before,

The xbox360 on the other hand was a more traditional design, IBM basically used the ppc core they designed for sony(without their permission) and put 3 of them on a chip with some extra instructions, and it had smt so it could handle 6 threads, much less powerful than the ps3, but much more familiar.


this coupled with the unifed memory on the xbox360 meant that crossplatform ports heavily favored the x360.

early on most games ran much better on the x360, because developers would just ditch the spus entirely.

>>105580199
Well my English writing is not the best but,

Sony sent japanese engineers to the USA to develop the cell with IBM. Those engineers stayed there full time, living near the ibm labs. IBM did every thing to keep those engineers in the dark about the contract with Microsoft. "It was like in a spy movie". While Sony and IBM engineers were having a meeting in the labs, at the same time at another floor above, IBM and Microsoft were having a meeting in an improvised secret meeting room to discuss the cell processor. "We were organizing the meetings under a fake topic and blocked the windows". The Microsoft-ibm team found flaws in the cell but decided to not tell to Sony team. They also fixed a critical bug but IBM couldn't tell the Sony team the origin of the bugfix which puzzled Sony engineers. Sony spent hundred of millions to develop the cell... and the Xbox CPU.

>>105580199
tldr? 360 cpu was a tri core, ps3 cpu was a single core that relied on smaller vectors cores to do additional work.

>>105580122
2007 for stagnation is wrong, I would say 2015 with the witcher 3. We got somewhat better graphics with doom eternal and cyberpunk, but difference in actual enjoyment was small.

>>105580011 (OP)
its so over for the rapid pace of innovation in computers seen in the 90s and 00s and 10s. its up to ai now. humans failed. billions of transistors must innovate.

>>105580246
The Cell SPUs were meant to be vector coprocessors for T&L work, not unlike the VUs in the PS2. Original PS3 plan was to have 1 cpu, 8 vector coprocessors, a retarded fast but very basic rasterizer, and some sort of graphics coprocessor to set up custom pixel pipelines.

Sony couldn't fab the GPU part so first they tried software graphics using a second Cell, then they went to Nvidia for a GPU. It's why the nvidia GPU looks literally bolted on and why the system cost $600 at launch.
With the nvidia gpu, they already had a t&l unit inside, so the SPUs had no more job left and they tried coming up with all sorts of ways to use them for games.

I really wish they'd interview Mark Cerny about it because apparently he was the only one who knew the full spec and had access to the docs. The only mention we even have of this original design is from one of the guys from Insomniac who was pulled into PS3 dev as the console was still being designed.

>early on most games ran much better on the x360, because developers would just ditch the spus entirely.
Even later games ran better, because the x360 gpu was much more powerful.

>>105580076
NFS: ProStreet was the downfall.

And that is the opposite of what you claim.
When you were speeding with your ricer through town, it was the best.
When they went towards muh simulation it all instantly crashed and burned and every attempt to go back failed.

>>105580727
Read Dead redemption 2 has better graphics and animations. Death stranding also has better animations and probably state of art motion capture for facial animations. Ff7r also has an amazing motion capture (the dance scene in the honeybee was state of art back then).

I really miss this nigga

Looking at Unbound videos, it looks like they went for a more cartoony style over all.
So....

>>105580011 (OP)
PBR was a mistake

>>105580794
It was not. Once again, nvidia gpu was higher speed but ati had more mem.

>>105580794
Cerny gave this presentation that includes a big section about the Cell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA

>>105580794
>Even later games ran better, because the x360 gpu was much more powerful.
sort of, the main difference is that the rsx lacks unifed shaders, it has a fixed number of vertex and pixel pipes, a properly optimized game will run about as well on the rsx, or a little better if its texture heavy.

the xenos does have some bonuses like the edram, and the tessellation unit, but the bigger problem for the ps3 was the shitty memory architecture, it was very difficult to compete when the 360 can just allocate 400mb of memory to graphics if you wanted, vs the ps3 where you had to manage the xdr memory alongside the gddr3, (skyrim had real problems with this , which delayed the dlc )

games just looked better while now it is just filters on top of filters on top of trash and blud no uniformity bing bang wazoonga 300000 particles of blur

>be GTA IV
>have the best ragdoll physics ever, still excellent to this date
>get replaced by GTA V/online slop

>>105580011 (OP)
More like diminishing returns. Any new details they might have added just becomes noise bogging down the processor.

new shit always blur as fuck

>>105580855
I remember seeing an interview where the devs said they did that intentionally to stand out from Gran Turismo and Forza because all "realistic" racing games at the time looked the same.

>>105580995
I didn't notice a difference

gaming peaked with the orange box. we will never see a release of that quality again.

>>105580822
https://soapboxrace.world/
You're wellcum

>>105580011 (OP)
I hate this world

>>105580076
It was alright up until Pro Street.

>>105581297
>>105580101
And also the antichrist.

>>105581160
This whiteness is unbearable.

>>105581315
You may not like it, but that is what peak performance looks like.

>>105580011 (OP)
>The cell processor
> no OoO execution
That's why most devs have had a breeze porting it to an Atom equivalent of AMD on PS4 w/no performance issues. it's AMD Jaguar, think about it.

Hi

>>105580327
muricans deserve to get skinned by the chinese

>>105580214
not him but yea basically
https://youtu.be/y7EmrKc4deg

it's funny it's not the only video game series i have the same problem with. resident evil is another one. i loved 1-3, but then 4 comes out and everyone else thinks that's the best one, now it's like i'm not even a fan of RE if i don't like 4

>>105580794
the ps3 was basically originally designed as an even beefier ps2, in a fairly literal sense. but pc gpus were advancing so quickly that they were left with no choice but to use one, resulting in a weird combination of a beefier ps2 with a pc gpu slapped on

>>105581610
Interesting. I just asked because I haven't seen someone express nostalgia for anything pre-NFSU2 before.

>>105581467
>>105580327

okay, i am at my desktop pc (was posting from phone). this is the book:
https://www.amazon.com/Race-New-Game-Machine-Playstation/dp/0806531010

https://files.catbox.moe/j4tkne.epub

if you don't want to read the book, i put a few excerpts in picrel that will give you a good idea of how things went back then.

I like this thread. Nice /g/

>>105580180
>>105580327
>>105581907
Only the Chinese would steal IP like that. The white man would never besmirch his good name by backstabbing our historically greatest ally.
>inb4 plaza accord
>inb4 chip pact

>>105581661
i checked out completely when carbon came out, though i didn't play every game before that point
i don't hate it, it's just not for me. that's what can happen when a game changes so much from what it was. it depends on why someone liked it in the first place

>>105581661
>>105582036
oh and i've only technically played NFS underground... the GBA version. i was too impressed by the 3D visuals to care about anything else (not a lot of 3D games on GBA)

>>105580890
It has more shared memory, which is is not more in practice. The 360 GPU was better regardless of memory capacity due to its unified shaders.

I started playing need for speed with NFS iii: HP and stopped paying attention to it after the two Shift games.

Prostreet was a solid game that was just poorly timed, undercover's city needed a bit more work to feel like it was alive in the way the previous open city games were, and shift was both well executed for what it was and the natural conclusion of the games that came before it, if you paid close enough attention. From there you could say the OG or perhaps second "Need for Speed Guy" had finished his street racing days and would spend the rest of his career racing professionally, within the legal limits of society, get married have kids and drive off into the sunset.

Every other game after that is either some new guy or need for speed just making more games to exist off of its branding.

https://youtu.be/iqp2tzFCKek?si=ZJWCXnsLMCJIP_M9

>>105580011 (OP)
yes

The Switch 2 has a ARM APU (CPU+GPU). Will the PS6 and next Xbox run on ARM? Besides backward compatibility, I don’t see why not.

https://youtu.be/C7fExZx1QyU

>>105583081
no point in switching ISA if there are no intentions of going mobile, heck we even have nice mobile amd64 APU's

>>105583096
Better performance at lower power levels, making it easier to cool the consoles. Optimisation.

>>105583096
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/handhelds/ryzen-z-series.html

>>105583081
how the switch 2 compares to a ipad pro?

>>105583175
That's just not enough to justify it. The amount of resources needed for an ISA switch easily shadows the performance/optimization benefits. More so if things like >>105583179
already exists

>>105580011 (OP)
>hardware with limitations made devs think outside the box and find tricks to achieving what they wanted to do.
vs
>modern hardware that can do literally anything so devs get lazy and slap shit together.
they don't take pride in their work anymore.
just make a game to get a paycheck.
realistically, we should be getting genre defining game after another with the level of tech we're working with.

>>105583234
have you seen split fiction? it's more packed with gameplay than any game from the 32 bits era or before.

>>105583234
kids now will never know a game coming out that was literally technically impossible just a year or two prior

this is a ps2 game btw

>>105583252
>grey 360p screenshot with no textures
Yeah, we can tell.

>>105583240
>have you played split fiction
never heard about it till your post, don't plan on playing muttoid the video game

>>105583252
not a very flattering screenshot
really looking at videos now it doesn't seem that special, but i do personally remember at the time thinking it was an incredible looking and feeling game
it's like a modern shooter, that came out in 2006, on 1999 hardware.
the explosions, the apparent volumetric lighting, the blur effects... it felt so next gen despite it being on the same hardware. it seems like something you could only properly appreciate when it was new

>>105583354
>not a very flattering screenshot
fair
guess it's about looking at the game and comparing it against the hardware it's running on and see the merit of the developers. I fondly remember playing Budokai Tenkaichi 3 for the first time and realized that the devs actually managed to pull off anti aliasing which made it look infinitely better than the predecessors

>>105580995
It wasnt replaced doofus they toned it down to make the game run better on ps3/360
>>105581963
Get the corpo cock out of your mouth already

>>105580727
>2007 for stagnation is wrong, I would say 2015
I agree. There is a notable difference in fidelity between games from 2007 and 2015, although it's not as stark as between 1999 and 2007 (to use a similar length of time). After 2015 all games look the same. Except they went from 20 GB to 200 GB for some reason.

>>105583377
the problem with presenting media for hardware someone isn't familiar with, is that they have no frame of reference for it. especially when presenting media for older hardware. the features present in black are by todays' standard nothing special, so looking at it with no historical context it just looks like any shooter. you have to compare it with shooters that came out on the ps2 prior to have a chance at understanding it

as a side note, it's not actually my personal favourite ps2 shooter, but it was the most next-gen feeling, if that makes sense

>>105582075
wait that doesn't look at all like OP's >>105580011 (OP)

>>105583179
it has dlss

>>105583240
is open world?

>>105583861
The 2005 version has the same name as the 2012. Same basic game but no story and more bullshit in the newer one.

>>105580011 (OP)
That screenshot isn't from the PS3.

>>105583801
2007 is around the time gaming hit the main stream.
so a bunch of retard DEI (affirmative action) hires began to infest game development. and because they're a bunch of retards, the quality of the games reduced.
the 20 to 200 GB things is two fold.
once again, retards that dont know how to refine their codes, clean up their messy designs, cut out fat, etc.
and, even more sinister, many companies want to bully out other games on your hard drives so you only play their game, hence why CoD pushes out 30+ gig updates every other day.

>>105580011 (OP)
nfs diversity xD

>>105584128
>2007 is around the time gaming hit the main stream
oh sweet zoomie

>>105584170
>halo 3
>Modern warfare
>mass effect
>battlefield
playstation 2 was the first inklings of it.
also im probably older than you, faggot.

>>105581315
Why must low-value whites obsess about race?

>>105580101
We are insignificant microbes on a mote of dust in some backwater region of this unfathomably vast and uncaring universe, our planet is going to be consumed by the sun when it starts running out of fuel, and you're sitting here boomerposting trying to shame people about the hobbies with which they spend their fleeting free time

>>105584192
you weren't alive in 1994

>>105580821
Yeah say what you want about death stranding but it's a gorgeous game

>>105584283
I still tend to agree with that anon. Video games were huge with kids since the late 80s and grew massively into teen markets into the 00s. There have always been adults playing video games, but they were few. Adult markets really exploded in the latter 00s with "gamer culture", pro gaming, gaming-oriented products, and shit like that becoming normalized. Maybe that would be a better way to put it - video games shifted toward the adult market around this time. 2007 is when Mountain Dew launched their "gamer fuel" brand, for example. I was in college a couple of years later and started hearing awkward faggots calling themselves "gamers", which very few people did before then (let alone aloud in public). This is also when "I'm a girl but I'm a gamer" shit started and "gamer culture" was targeted for diversity and inclusion. Of course this was only an early phase leading up to the gamergate years and, subsequently, what we have today. But I do think there was a cultural shift around video games around 2007.

>>105584482
the teenager gamer culture was launched by the first Playstation in 1994. Children didn't play Resident Evil, FF7 and Tomb Raider, those were mainstream teenager / adult games but you were still in your daddy's balls back then.

>>105584874
>doesn't contradict yet still disagrees
Forgot everyone on /g/ was Indian now. Carry on saar

>>105584874
also there were a lot of mainstream adult games on PC in the mid 90s: Doom, Quake, Counter-Strike and so on. Doom was probably the that turned children's games into adult gamer culture.

>>105584891
I do contradict.
1997 (FF7) is a decade earlier than 2007. Count it on your fingers if you don't believe me.

>>105584444
nice quad quads

>>105580011 (OP)
>processor
>posts graphics
Console retards are the lowest life form on the Earth.

>>105583175
they will never switch to nvidia because nvidia fucked over both microsoft and sony in the past

nintendo only used the tegra as they were exceptionally cheap because nobody wanted them.

>>105580011 (OP)
no it wasn't
it is very much a product of its time and it was BTFO in throughput, bandwidth, cost and programmability before it even launched by G80

>>105585264
The cell isn't a gpu

>>105584283
t. born in 2003
also i said the playstation 2, pajeet.

>>105584920
and how many average people knew wtf it was?
it was halo and Cod that brought gaming into the mainstream.
the news didn't give two shits about any game unless they were fear mongering DOOM.
Halo and Cod got talked about on boomer news networks.

>>105580727
TW3 had really ugly lighting among other things. I'd be more mad about the downgrade if the game was actually good, but it wasn't, so whatever I guess.
DAI came out a year earlier and looked noticeably better thanks to frostbite.

>>105586437
Everyone knew what FF7 was you mongoloid zoomie. Just because you were not out of your father's balls doesn't mean nothing happened outside.

>>105586496
>Everyone knew what FF7 was you mongoloid zoomie.
No, just gamer nerds. JRPG fans were even looked down upon by Japs around this time.

>>105586525
>JRPG fans were even looked down upon by Japs around this time.
Japs knew about JRPG fans because JRPGs were mainstream.

I forgot how nice it looked especially reflections, Criterion were good back then. I should hook up my PS3 again.

>>105584192
>pac man
>donkey kong
>pong
>tetris
????

>>105584482
>But I do think there was a cultural shift around video games around 2007.
Of course there was, because that gen was the first among consoles that had non-negligible online play/interaction, which is how you got the attendant prototypical meme of being trash-talked by 12-year-olds on Xbox Live

>>105586525
>yamauchi

this dude almost single-handedly destroyed nintendo by refusing to adopt the cdrom over cartridge

>>105580011 (OP)
>

>>105585253
>nvidia fucked over both microsoft and sony in the past
How?

>>105581304
meds

>>105581610
>, now it's like i'm not even a fan of RE if i don't like 4
Not even CV is a RE a game. RE4 is not a Resident Evil game. There are only 3 RE games EVER made.

>>105589556
what's CV in terms of resident evil?

>>105589640
code veronica

>>105589556
resident evil zero

>>105580011 (OP)
Why the Cell(tm) though? Why not compute shaders?

>>105585253
And for what it's worth AMD are staring work on ARM chips again, I think that agreement with Qualcomm has finally ran out.

>>105589404
To be fair, most of their audience might be black at this stage.

>>105584239
You already know that it was written by a jew or indian, why even engage.

>>105589681
i heard that sony got traumatized that playable emulators for the ps1 appeared while the console was still well alive and decided to make weird in-home architectures, to avoid that in the future.

>>105590049
i doubt that, reason being the psx emulators starting being usable when the ps2 was already designed, and the ps3 wasn't at least initially that far removed from how the ps2 was designed
like one of the lawsuit emulators was bleem! which came out the same month the ps2 was revealed, the hardware was already decided on or at least surely practically complete by that point

>PS2
>32MB RAM
>1080i resolution
>fits on a single DVD
How the fuck did they do it?

>>105589460
Nvidia resisted renegotiating the price on chips for the original xbox and ps3, This basically killed the original xbox because it cost too much to make( otherwise it probably would have continued alongside the xbox 360 ) https://www.eetimes.com/microsoft-takes-nvidia-to-arbitration-over-pricing-of-xbox-processors/
and on the ps3 same issue with the rsx. despite 2 die shrinks nvidia resisted lowering the price, and this is cited as part of the reason the ps4 did not have an nvidia gpu, they didn't like the low margins.

>>105589681
The design predates compute shaders by a generation, gpu compute didn't debut until the G80 launched. I think ati did have some weird compute api for the r500, but it was really limited and was quickly abandoned.

>>105580995
To be fair there were limitations due to the ps3 hardware, so i cant really blame them for dumbing down the physics. Red dead 2 had good physics compared to gta v so im sure gta vi will also have good ones.
What i cant forgive them is ruining the driving, releasing one of the worst story lines in gta history, making boring linear missions that fail if dont do what they want how they want, and the miserable micro transaction hellhole that is gta online.

>>105580011 (OP)
Gaming peaked during late ps3, early ps4 era unfortunately. Most game developers nowadays don't have the skills nor the passion to make good games anymore, all they care about is money and releasing games asap, even if it is a buggy mess.

>>105590295
>worst story lines
the writing in gta was always abysmal

>>105590331
>tfw getting old enough to see the "golden age" get moved forward yet another time by another generation
i dont like being old bros

>>105590295
ps3 is actually great at physics, i remember there a technology demo presentation by mark cerny for the ps4 hardware where they compared it to the cell , and for the physics simulation the cell was a little faster , but it was horrendously slow for basically everything else.

>>105580011 (OP)
Nothing to do with the Cell, gamedevs were just better back then. Many such cases across a wide variety of platforms.

>>105583175
They’re not going to make low power consoles unless they are also handheld hybrids like switch. They’ll run at hundreds of watts like all the consoles before them.

>>105590359
He's right. I agree on the matter, it went to shit when always online and therefore the ability to do microtransactions became the norm. "Early PS4" still isn't as poisoned but for those who don't care to make a distinction, we can stop at the PS3 era: Infamous 2, Persona 5 and so on.

>>105590771
>surely this time my generation just happened to be born at the exact apex of video games
everyone thinks this. every generation's "golden age of video games" was another generation's dark age of video games.

>>105590185
they didn't. that's an emulator. the ps2 could output 1080i, but i'm not aware of any 3D game that could render at 1080i.
only thing i know of that could render 3D scenes in 1080i was GT4's photo mode, which took some time to process but could create high resolution images and display them or save them to a usb drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E0ctzhVYXQ
upscaled 1080i still looked sharper, but that's only really because it was less affected by the degradation of the signal using typical SD video connections

>>105590185
>>105591147
i will say though that ps2 and other 6th gen games scale up in emulators really well
like 5th gen games look nicer rendered at higher resolution typically, but not nearly to the same extent 6th gen games do. they really had much more detail than standard definition could offer
pic related, common native ps2 resolution vs. emulated 1080p

>>105590185
>>105591208
also you missed the part where the ps2 had 4MiB of video ram
four megs

>>105580076
>Need For Speed II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2JpoQQSmf4

>>105580011 (OP)
Wasn't unbound supposed to be a highly stylized game or something instead of having photorealistic graphics?

I don't play EAtrash, so I don't know for sure.

>>105580011 (OP)
>play Skyrim
>jump in water
>game crashes
Sure it was, pal.

>>105591959

>>105592040
(and yes, the first games' full name is really "road & track presents: the need for speed" ("presents" is really small and hard to notice on the cd but it's there)

>>105592040
lmao.
thats perfect

>>105580011 (OP)
I want a Porsche remake

>>105592040
Having a blast playing it on my R36s via Portmaster

>>105590331
it's because most studios just outsource shit to india/indonesia etc.

>>105592133
We played this to death in a computer lab classes, teacher allowed us to install it and helped us with cracking god bless his soul.

>>105580101
>having fun is for children

>>105593076
Yes. Your job as an adult is to suffer so that your child can have 10 to 15 years of fun.

>>105593131
shit bait

>>105593141
True doe.

>>105580822
>STUDMUFFIN

>>>105593141(You)
>True doe.

>>105591208
Which controller is the best for ps2 emulated games?

>>105593187
dualshock 3, or ps2/ps1 controller to usb adapter (make sure its one with rumble support)

the ds3 is the better controller imo having the triggers instead of buttons for r2/l2

>>105580011 (OP)
the game looked a bit better on xbox 360

>>105590185
emulator 3x resolution screenshot

>>105580011 (OP)
How does 2012 Most Wanted compare to OG Most Wanted?

>>105593141
>t. brown retard

>>105594555
KKK-On

>>105580011 (OP)
What does Cell CPU have to do with it when it's all GPU?

>>105594659
That's Tsumugi you dumb piece of shit.

>>105594821
Do you have gacha-induced brain damage?

>>105594847
>seething

>>105593141
Master bait

>>105580890
>nvidia gpu was higher speed

X360 gpu had unified shaders, unified memory, and a very high speed eDRAM cache to use as scratchpad or tiled framebuffer. It could do 4xAA at zero cost.
PS3 had to deal with bullshit memory limitations and devs had to try running as much code as possible on the GPU so they don't have to deal with the absolute horseshit that was the Cell. Even the 360 was guilty of this since it had the same main CPU core which used in-order execution just like the PS3, but it wasn't as bad because no SPU horseshit and unified memory.

On the PS4 a 1.8GHz AMD Bulldozer could run PS3 games effortlessly because the Cell was so god awful.

>>105586437
>and how many average people knew wtf it was?

Everyone knew shit like FF7, Tomb Raider, and Gran Turismo, even people who gave no shit about videogames.

>>105594541
It doesn't. It's completely different except for it being about racing cars.
Apparently the game was meant to be a true successor for Most Wanted during early development. But EA decided to rush the game and they ended up having to cut out most content.
So we ended up with a generic racing game with the worst police chase ai i've seen in any game (except cyberpunk), and some weird art project cut-scenes. On the upside the soundtrack is decent, and the map and car selection is pretty good. The driving is arcade-y but this is up to personal preference. I ended up playing it on a ps vita and it was actually pretty fun, it was probably the only game on that console that had multiplayer and an open world map. I'd rate it 60/100.

>>105591279
That was 4MB of on-die memory mind you. So it's not like 4MB VRAM, it's more like 4MB of L2 cache, and it had 16 independent rasterizers that could operate simultaneously.

It was fast enough to do pixel shading effects in full software, as long as you bothered to program the VU0 co-processor to do it.

>>105593131
>Your job as an adult is to suffer
are you masochistic or something?

>>105595066
The cell is actually quite powerful for many things, but it is dogshit to work with, the biggest change toward the end of the ps3's lifecycle was the dramatically improved development tools available which did alot of the nasty stuff for you.

while the x360 did have some advantages like the edram and thee tessellation unit, the ps3 could do some of the graphics work on the spus, and had higher throughput in pretty well all aspects, the memory fuckery isn't that horrendous, since the rsx can read the xdr at full speed, the problem early on is the the ps3 os was really heavy an ate like half of the system memory, where as the xbox360 dash only used like 40mb, made porting very difficult if the game used alot of memory.

The only situation where you would be screwed on ps3 is if you needed to use alot of system memory but not much graphics memory since the cell reads from the gddr3 at very low speed, like your image shows, If I recall correctly there was an ugly hacky way to get the rsx to move memory to and from the vram to remediate this a bit, but it was pretty bad.

>>105580101
you don't even have children, why do you care

Xbox 360 was originally supposed to only have 256 mb unified ram until Tim Fortnite complained.
Imagine if that happened

>>105590331
Wrong, it peaked the gen before that, the PS3/Wii era was absolutely the start of the downfall
>t. Elder millenial

>>105595420
Suffering gives meaning to the good parts of life.

Game devs also used to know how to make games.

>>105595194
oh yea, the memory it had was fast as shit, but it still wasn't a lot

>>105584242
>We are insignificant microbes
No we aren't we are spirit beings made in the image of God. Our material existence is only a part of it and it's a smaller part of it than you know.

>>105580011 (OP)
The Cell CPU has nothing to do with this.
It's its just baked light and planar reflections.

>>105596667
we use to tell soldiers that so they wouldn't be so afraid of dying

am I retarded for thinking PS4 & Xbox One graphics still look amazing

>>105597025
Depends on the game. The ones that go for realism don't hold up that well aside from rare exceptions. But anything stylized or even well done realism will hold up forever.
Need for Speed 2015 for example still looks incredible

>>105597034
for me it's specifically the Forza games that hold up really well. in fact, when i first got an xbox one like 8 years ago it actually kinda tricked my brain for a few seconds, it was trippy. but the new Series consoles don't make the games look all that better, diminishing returns i guess.

>>105597048
driving games always look great relative to most other games, because there's not really that much to render. you have a handful of cars you dump 70% of the rendering budget on, then 20% on the road which is the only other thing you're focusing on, and 10% on the environment which you're rarely looking at and is moving all the time anyway

>>105583175
Nice lie same shit snap dragon tried to sell people on.

>>105583179
If i were to bet, i would say worse CPU, better GPU.

I really like these threads

>>105590185
they didnt, not even the xbox could consistently run games at 720i

>>105580011 (OP)
You're asking for a miracle if you think Need For Speed on PS3 runs at 720p framebuffer

>>105594555
projected award

>>105581160
>gaming peaked with a DRM trojan
lmao

>>105580011 (OP)
>The cell processor
It doesn't have anything to do with the PS3
Multiplats had global illumination on systems with 512 MB of unified memory

>>105598537
mirror's edge is 100% prebaked

>>105598537
mirror's edge is 100% peak

>>105598582
>>105598587
Both are right

>>105596252
No it doesn't, but you always free to cope even harder

>>105596667
You should play i have no mouth and i must scream.
immortality is not positive thing.

>>105580011 (OP)
>Only nigger drivers

>>105598740
I find it to be subjectively true, but thanks for granting your permission.

>>105598511
yes

x360 was decent horseshit on game by game. Dvd tray Ps3 had masterpieces every time a game was designed/put effort on it. Blu ray.

>>105590359
Anon, the golden age was between 1996-2013 with some exceptions during 2014-2015.
The first signs where noticeable in 2009 but it all started to go to shit around 2013-2014 when everybody wanted to make movie games and plaster their leftist progressive political propaganda everywhere, to some or all aspects of their games. Pleasing game journos and søy reviewers instead of making what gamers wanted.
I've started to play games in 2007 but I got many games from friends and family from the decade before, I think I am qualified to judge this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovJ_LC_HtZE&t=1836s

naughty dog used the cell as a co-gpu mostly. 95% of the game-play code was running on the ppc core.

>>105598887
>everything is le heckin subjective

>>105599057
>søy
Its sòy or sóy.

>>105599057
>neogamergater
>started playing games in 2007
checks out

>>105599310
>being this obssed with politics
Some people truly deserve to burn in lake of fire

>>105586437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDz9A4ByHIQ

Its not like humanity lived in the dark ages before internet getting popular. There were television, magazine and street ads for these games back then. You could argue that these days people that don't engage in the hobby are exposed less to gaming than before since it is in its own some bubble with personalized internet ads.

>>105580011 (OP)
Games nowadays have only a slightly better resolution and the rest is filters which are basically smoke and mirrors and you all fall for it.

>>105580011 (OP)
It was amazing tech if games were optimized for it. Sadly, not all were. I remember the PS3 version of Call of Duty: Black Ops was poorly optimized compared to the Xbox 360 version.

>>105580101
He is right but more so for the chinese people the younger ones seem addicted to mobile games and wonder why their broke.

>>105599310
>neogamergater
Never mentioned GG, it's bad but a completely separate issue.

>started playing games in 2007
Anon, I was 9 in 2007.

Mirror's edge prebaked lighting looks better than 90% of the gaytracing games lighting and do not have the terrible shimmering on lower ray tracing settings, this is 17 years old game.

>>105598582
And most games don't need 100% dynamic GI.
It's just dumb to raytrace the whole scene when the only thing that moves is the player.

>>105580327
>While Sony and IBM engineers were having a meeting in the labs, at the same time at another floor above, IBM and Microsoft were having a meeting in an improvised secret meeting room
Scummy but the japanese loves some NTR, the bastards.

>>105586525
>JRPG fans were even looked down upon by Japs around this time.
Dragon Quest was a nationwide phenomenon from Day 1. We're talking Star Wars-levels of success in the Japanese market. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The availability of JRPGs would literally make or break a console's success in Japan from that point onwards.

>>105580101
Life has no meaning. There is nothing objectively better wasting the life chasing money all the time or wasting time in watching sport (literal retardation imo, but whatever they like). We will all die. I enjoy playing games and reading. You might enjoy collecting paper that makes you buy things. The one thing is experience, the other thing is material things. You do you. Usually the people that say someone is wasting time wastes time on something else. At least games are interactive, make you think and makes your brain active. Consuming sports or movies is much less involving activity.

>>105580122
>1997
more like 1977

>>105600414
If mirror's edge was released today it would run at 30 fps at 540p upscaled to 1080p on a RTX 5090.

the best processor to this day. there still hasnt been another processor with as many cellz™.

>>105580122
Graphics kept improving up to like 2012. Or whenever Ryse: Son of Rome came out. It had the most realistic graphics I've ever seen up until then, although I had to play it at like 720p and the upscaling blurred it so much that it looked like a movie. In 1080p it had super sharp edges everywhere like a videogame. Interesting how the lower resolution made it look better.

>>105581276
which servers arent pay2win dogshit

>>105597239
people also thought apple was lying about the M1

I hate that UE look that games have had since Xbone/PS4

>>105603914
Examples?