Thread 105593471

redhat? poettering? microsoft? corpo AIDS? guh-noo? not my problem.

Illusion of choice. BSDs have been compromised from the start.

>>105593471 (OP)
>hardware acceleration? not my problem.

>>105593498
that's openbsd.
freebsd has lower overhead to pcie devices than linux btw :)

>>105593471 (OP)
can it run cyberpunk?

>>105593504
I don’t mean this with snark, but how much of a modern FreeBSD desktop stack is just Linux compatibility layers? If I don’t game can I at least have native Wi-Fi drivers on a laptop yet? Sorry for my ignorance.

When I was in my paranoia mode, after switching to freebsd, I started digging who funds it. You'd be surprised to know, that largest donors aren't Sony or Netflix, it's actually the ukrainian jew who created whatsapp. It's not perfectly obvious, because his name is never mentioned, so I had to dig through that fund name and where it donates to most. So the same fund that donates millions to freebsd also donates to some jewish organizations across the US. Make up your mind. I personally think FrerBSD isn't compromised, but rather jew-approved for being safe, in a way.

not impressed if it's not motherfucking OpenBSD

also there is literally nothing wrong with the GNU GPL license

>>105593471 (OP)
cuck license

>>105593625
botspam

>>105593504
Works on my machine
glxinfo
Accelerated: Yes
inteldrm0 at pci0

How can I into freebsd?

>>105593471 (OP)
>playstation OS
>can't play any playstation game
please explain

>>105593726
freebsd got cucked by sony, apple, nintendo.

>>105593556
>I don’t mean this with snark, but how much of a modern FreeBSD desktop stack is just Linux compatibility layers?
Depends on what you're doing, really.
The fact it does have those compatibility layers and they just work is precisely why it's a judicious choice over OpenBSD. I don't have to sacrifice anything to escape the malign influence of redhat and microsoft.
>If I don’t game can I at least have native Wi-Fi drivers on a laptop yet?
Depends on the laptop. Same deal as Linux.

>>105593600
You shouldn't make decisions based around impressing people. You should make them out of pragmatism. Sometimes that might involve impressing people, but usually it's irrelevant.

>>105593685
Can you install and setup Void Linux for your own use? Then you can install and setup FreeBSD.

>>105593778
>help generate trillions
>get nothing in return
cuck mentality knows no boundaries...
atleast commie gpl loicenses hold the globobaddies by the balls and force them to contribute...

>>105593803
On the contrary. You got everything in return and it cost you nothing.

>>105593471 (OP)
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/wayland/

>>105593802
>I don't have to sacrifice anything to escape the malign influence of redhat and microsoft.
just use devuan, cut out the 1 gazzilion compatibility layers, ignore kikeware and poetteringware and enjoy computing once again
>>105593823
just use linux directly then as you'll just use linux software ported to bsd, use a compatiblity layer or an emulator/api translation layer made by linux devs anyways
linux is the only reason *BSD still exist, the entire ecosystem would collapse if the linux ecosystem was mainly based on cuck licenses

>>105593504
too bad i cant use that lower overhead because nobody bothered to write drivers

>>105594012
just use the linux driver bro
;^)

GNU/Chads won
>But sitting there, quietly powering masses of the internet, without saying boo to a goose, is FreeBSD. And the companies using it? They’re not talking about it. Why? Because they don’t have to. The simple fact that dawned on me is FreeBSD’s gift to us all, yet Achilles heel to itself, is its license.
>Unlike the GPL, which requires you to share derivative works, the BSD license doesn’t. You can take FreeBSD code, build on it, and never give anything back. This makes it a great foundation for products — but it also means there’s little reason for companies to return their contributions.
https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/the-report-of-my-death-was-an-exaggeration/

>>105594019
should've used GPL buddy! sorry!

>>105593471 (OP)

Cant support WIFI.
Cant support laptops sleep mode.

>>105594041
>https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/the-report-of-my-death-was-an-exaggeration/

So is it any good or not?

>>105594041
>https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/the-report-of-my-death-was-an-exaggeration/
>j-j-j-just one more compatbility layer bro
>ve vill have all the software soon^(trademark) I s-s-s-swear on me mom
>nooooooooooo don't leave me alone nooooooooo
lmao they're so pathetic

>>105593873
The linux kernel itself is still fucked by them.

>>105594012
>he's using nvidia cards for compute
you're a fucking dumbass. use an fpga
>he's using nvidia cards for his desktop
you're a fucking dumbass. use amd

>>105594130
if linux is good enough for trillions dollar industries then it's good enough for me.
everything *BSD can do a linux-based OS can do better
>>105594165
>you're using the wrong hardware broooooooooooo
there is no such thing as wrong hardware, only good software that support it or dogshitware that no body uses

>>105594177
Being used by trillion dollar industries as you say is what makes it bad. They put shit in there that's harmful to me.

>>105594177
yeah, you are. you're using corpo shitware that locks you in to a substandard environment. you lash out with sour grapes because you made the cuck choice and have no recourse. you blame everybody else for your corporate master shitting down your thoat. literally not my problem. you cucked yourself on the desktop end just to get the substandard version of compute. penny wise and pound foolish u fucking dumbass

>>105593471 (OP)
I was with you until:
>guh-noo
This is a feature, and an excellent one at that, not a problem.

I respect BSDfriends, and have used BSD on many a toaster (FreeBSD was superb on my T420), but you guys act like GNUfriends don't have Devuan, MX Linux, Slackware, Arch, and a load of other distros that are systemd-free by default, or can easily be made to be. GNUfriends and BSDfriends need to put their differences aside and unite against corporate shitware OSes.

>>105594266
I wouldn't mind GNU software if the manpages were actually helpful. But the complexity of the software and the disdain for manpages ultimately makes GNU software unpleasant for me.

>>105594165
no

>>105594278
Are you sure it's GNU? Emacs has great documentation.

>>105594199
>They put shit in there that's harmful to me.
such as?
reminder: not liking something does not make it harmful to you
>>105594209
>you're using corpo shitware that locks you in to a substandard environment.
and yet substandard environment taht is being ported to *BSD
>you lash out with sour grapes
everything just work on my linux machine as the lord Linus intended, why would I be mad lmao.
>you made the cuck choice and have no recourse
I coul use freebsd but I would need to import linux software for it to useful anyways, what's the point
>you blame everybody else for your corporate master shitting down your thoat
wrong, I thank them for their work instead.
in fact, I contribute to this ecosystem by writing linux software for a living.
>you cucked yourself on the desktop end just to get the substandard version of compute
substandard how?
>penny wise and pound foolish u fucking dumbass
cope seethe dilate

>>105594302
>substandard how?
slow. inflexible. inextensible. you're locked into a single vendor and their api, which isn't even domain-specific. if you're moving economy-of-scale type numbers, the only thing better than an fpga is turning one that you use a lot of into an asic. an outfit in hpc using gpus is either a whale carelessly operating on a thin margin or an amateur hour retard doomed to failure.

>>105594302
>in fact, I contribute to this ecosystem
So you're a freedesktop shill? Fuck off then.

>>105594165
>he's using nvidia cards for his desktop
yeah because linux has this thing called drivers lmao sorry bsdkiddo you wouldn’t understand such matters

>>105594360
are you alright bro? I don't understand wtf you're talking about, why do you talk about fpga and asic lmao
>>105594377
nope, but I work for one of the big baddies you seem to hate and you most likely use code I wrote in your compatibility layer.

Drivers and software support. Now that's your problem.

>>105594567
werks on my machine

>>105594618
What about vulkan?

>>105594618
omg OpenBSD chad i kneel

>>105593471 (OP)
freebsd almost got shut down because the troons took over and coc'kd it all up. Corpos steal it and rewrite it withiut contributing back but if they need core maintenance they infiltrate it.
Dial 8 freetranny

>>105594041
no mention of the netcraft même, they had one job

>>105593579
meds

>>105594748
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=174805990514899

Already supported for years now and actively maintained.

>>105594826
Go to the donors page of FreeBSD and see for yourself, it's not like this is a secret, just obscure. FreeBSD is funded by Jewish money.

You still need dbus (Redhat) and X11/Wayland (Redhat) for any desktop environment to work.
Other than that it's pretty good.

>>105596444
>you still need dbus
No you don't
>you need wayland
No you don't

Lying about a dependency doesn't make it a true dependency. You know what breaks without dbus
>libreaoffice
That's it. You know what it breaks? The file/view/etc menus. It still works fine if you know the keyboard shortcuts. Why would such a thing break without dbus? No fucking idea but they managed to do it somehow.

Everything else just spams errors you can safely ignore. The Firefox packages and a few others fake dbus to prevent that. But you can safely send them directly to /dev/null and not bother.

Same is true of systemd. Nothing really requires it. They just claim it does to spook people into running it or installing the shims. This stuff is just a virus. Dbus is like the most retarded thing I've ever seen. You can give yourself root by spamming some text in its general direction. logind is a massive security hole waiting to happen running as root. Systemd running as root AND PID1 is even worse. This is not well designed software.

>>105596490
I'm giving you that FreeBSD is the best we've got but you're still sacrificing compatibility and have to put up with some Redhat shenanigans. Yes you can technically run apps without dbus, but a lot of things will break like MPRIS.

>>105593471 (OP)
>FreeBSD
Lmao kid.

>>105596588
How am I sacrificing compatibility? It has Linux emulation layer. You can even use Linux drivers. The only "compatibility" I sacrifice is with shit no one should want anyway.
>MPRIS
Why do you even want this? You can control a media player with the standard POSIX tools. I run a Jellyfin server hosting content for my entire family and a bunch of friends on a *BSD box and they can interact with it fine through a variety of clients. Assuming I want to send video over the LAN/internet to another device I can simply use ffmpeg's suite of tools to do it over the network. Works fine. Zero overhead. No retarded assbackward dbus required. Note I'm not shitting on the concept of IPC all together. I'm okay with it. But there are far better options than the shitty unsecure one Read Hat shit out and tried to force upon everyone.

You guys just keep repeating the same stuff everyday like you NEED freedesktop/systemd/Red Hat bullshit to have a viable desktop system. When we were running desktops fine for decades before they came on the scene and we've always had much better tools. UNIX isn't the greatest thing ever but it certainly could do stuff like IPC fine without their hacky dbus shit. UNIX sockets exist for example. If you want the stuff that comes with systemd then there are much better tools like s6 which not only do a better job at emulating launchd/windows "services" it does it without shoving a bunch of exploit ridden code into PID1.

The fact is their propaganda and fear mongering about security and compatibility is horse shit and they know it. Which is why they attack people so hard that make distros that don't include it. Since it's very very easy to do. The only reason they aren't more popular is because they spread FUD and use everything in their power to silence people that go against them.

>>105594618
no wine/proton

>>105593471 (OP)
systemd is good actually I love rebooting my pc 20 times to test if my service finally works right

>>105596681
Why can't you just take the W?
This should be very simple. In a majority of desktop environments DBUS is used for application IPC. The best example is MPRIS, when a media key is pressed like a pause button on your headset, it sends an MPRIS command to pause the currently playing media whether it's from your browser or music player.
FreeBSD is the best we've got and a great starting place but to truly be free there is a lot more work to do than forking X11 and using a nonstandard operating system.
Even on Trinity where we use DCOP instead of DBUS we still need to set up DBUS bindings for basic things like MPRIS or stopping the screensaver when you're in a game.

>>105596709
Wow you're right anon. Lucky for me it's possible to own more than one computer. So I can do my gaming on one dedicated for that task on FreeBSD and keep my dev work on an OpenBSD system. You know what's even more crazy? It's possible to have more than two computers. Which is why I have a couple of servers that I use to serve media files to all my other computers and a few computers stuffed away in arcade cabinets when I want to play fighting games and emulate stuff like 2hu spell bubble using proper arcade sticks.

You know what none of those systems are running? Linux.

>>105596734
>Why can't you just take the W?
Because I've lost nothing.
>This should be very simple. In a majority of desktop environments DBUS is used for application IPC. The best example is MPRIS, when a media key is pressed like a pause button on your headset, it sends an MPRIS
Yes this is very important. Not like I can't do the same thing using a keyboard, or IR adapter, or any usb device. I need to install a massive security exploit for the bluetooth headset I don't have anyway. It's so hard to simply plug-in my DT990s or speakers into the audio interface/amp and control my media player from anywhere in my home with any type of input device like a sane person. I even have this amazing piece of technology called mpd which serves media to any device anywhere in the world. I can even control it remotely from any device from anywhere in the world. It even works with multiple devices at the same time.

But what do I know. I'm not an expert like you that can't figure out how to properly configure a screensaver to not start when there is an input device active without using a massive security hole. I guess allowing any random application to give itself root is totally worth that trade off. I also love the ability to gain instant root by using a username starting with a number.

>>105596799
openbsd has and has had massive exploits, you tinfoil retard. Don’t worry though, no one is trying to get your MLP videos.

Well now you are losing because you want to die on this hill that you can have a functional desktop without conceding a little to Redhat related technology. This has nothing to do with FreeBSD anymore btw. And I'm not defending Redhat. We simply have more work to do for a fully independent desktop OS.
DBUS is just one example. From what I've seen from the FreeBSD forums, devs are hesitant to adopt XLibre because of the political messages. Unless I can install XLibre I still need to fallback on Redhat's X11. There's also the XDG standards that every desktop environment follows which includes things like the .desktop files and icons. I'm also curious how you run sound without pulseaudio or pipewire?

>>105596799
Well now you are losing because you want to die on this hill that you can have a functional desktop without conceding a little to Redhat related technology. This has nothing to do with FreeBSD anymore btw. And I'm not defending Redhat. We simply have more work to do for a fully independent desktop OS.
DBUS is just one example. From what I've seen from the FreeBSD forums, devs are hesitant to adopt XLibre because of the political messages. Unless I can install XLibre I still need to fallback on Redhat's X11. There's also the XDG standards that every desktop environment follows which includes things like the .desktop files and icons. I'm also curious how you run sound without pulseaudio or pipewire?

>>105596768
cope

>>105596768
Based

>>105597024
>And I'm not defending Redhat.
Lies.
Classic good cop bad cop. Some of the unpaid interns took more extreme aggressive position, and some write "nicer" replies.

In the end, evil always wins. I hope at least you guys suffer in hell.

>>105597533
I was literally one of the first people to start speaking out against Redhat before Lunduke sperged out and /g/ was aware of the problem. From the beginning I've been saying we need a separate ecosystem removed from the existing standards, but still having compatibility layers.
It's like fighting the system in America. You have two options; sacrifice everything but your freedom to make a hippie commune or homestead, or work within it to gather power and influence and use that to support your comerades to someday have an enclave of like minded individuals.
If you really aren't running any Redhat software it's like doing the former. You may be "free" but you're a one man army with no power spending most of your time tinkering on bare necessities. That's great, but it's not enough for most people. Most people want a fully featured desktop environment with every edge case accounted for. Your collection of shell scripts and window manager isn't enough.

>>105596947
>two remote execution vulnerabilities in 28 years
>one of those two affected literally every OS with network capability
What OS has a better track record?

>>105597910
Darwin.

>>105598319
what

>>105596768
Is there a way to get Steam to support controllers now? Last I checked the available client said it won't recognize any. Pretty much all that's keeping me from FreeBSD.

>>105597910
openplacebofags deny all vulnerabilities that aren't single-vuln rce's. Everytimr a kid looks at obsd code over a literal weekend they find at least a dozen exploits that can be combined to do rce's and some of them are 30+ years old.
Placebsd is the least secure os of all time.

>>105593471 (OP)
>definitely not backdoored by jews

>>105598860
What's the most secure OS then?

>>105596681
>You can even use Linux drivers.
What, really? How? I have an external trackpad that works perfectly on Linux, but FreeBSD only supports a shittier later model of it.

https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxKPI
If this is it, how minor of a modification are we talking here? Because I probably can't pull off any.

>>105598906
You're asking on a site that allows browser exploits.

>>105598931
I don't care to install it, I'm just curious.

>>105594266
>GNUfriends and BSDfriends need to put their differences aside and unite against corporate shitware OSes.
based