Has mobile phone technology ruined society?

Yes, specifically smartphones.

every single time I watch a bodycam video the perpretator is drunk. (...or black)
im actually fucking bored and annoyed by all these drunk videos
give me lunatics instead please

>>105599207
very good thinking ways , sar. two thumbs in the air for so much funny in these post

I don't know where you live but there's a lot of young and middle aged people at there drinking and having fun.

>>105599170 (OP)
Yes. We need a solar flare to hit earth.

Absolutely.

>>105599170 (OP)
yes and the internet too, let's all go back

>>105599316
it wasn't just "haha funny", if you looked deeper you'd realize that maybe zoomers don't drink anymore is because we have ten million youtube videos of drunk retards (like you).

>>105599170 (OP)
Partly, but also karens demonizing all forms of socialization and behavior to the point that people just want to stay in their own room to avoid trouble.

No one in this thread leaves their house if you think people don't socialize anymore

>>105599480
I am acutely aware from within my domicile that people socialise.
I hear my next door neighbour socialising, I hear my upstairs neighbour socialising. I hear people on the street below socialising.
When I do leave my domicile, my louse, I get to see people on the streets, socialising.

While the OP post may be about people socialising and drinking in response to alcohol sales dropping. I still look to mobile phones and the smart phone in 2007 as the point that technology destroyed society along with social media.

Leavings ones lighthouse is not required to arrive at such a conclusion. Begone, you utter imbecile, you buffon!

>society is dead because teh kidz don't drink
Mental illness

>>105599521
Of course technology ruined society and will continue to do so. My only point is to work with what we have and enjoy the time that's been given to us. You can still go for some beer with a cute girl, it's not over yet.

>>105599170 (OP)
If there's one benefit of the total isolation young people experience it's that it makes them teetotalers

>>105599170 (OP)
(old) Zoomer here, we still drunk at 16, although not with parents present wtf.
Parents usually left town for a weekend or holidays, and we just drank beer and liquor at the empty house. Fun times.

>>105599170 (OP)
There's something called Dunbar's number, which refers to the average number of stable relationships that humans can generally maintain- stated to be about 150. And when you start to look at things like the average size of a neolithic farming village, to the average number of friends a social network user has, the figure seems to be weirdly accurate at predicting our capacity for engaging with a group.

Yes this is just a heuristic for certain types of social (stochastic) phenomena, but if it suggests anything at all about us having a cortical limit on our ability to interact with others in a sane manner then it shouldn't be surprising how absolutely deranged people can be when exposed to the internet and massive-scale online communities.

Part of Gen Z's problem though is that there aren't really any public spaces where they can exist anymore without spending money or getting the cops called on them for loitering, and as they're also poor as fuck (thanks to a godawful economy and period of wage stagnation that's been carrying on since before they were born), honestly, what else can they do?

People ignore this bit in this conversation but information travels at the speed of light between social groups and is logged forever in the meta servers

Zoomers can’t take social risks which is needed for growth without getting insta punished and have it recorded there forever

>>105599170 (OP)
Kill society with a round house kick.

>>105599170 (OP)
>no muh hecking boozerino
Of all the negative consequences of smartphone zoomfaggotry you think LESS drinking is one of them?
Get killed by a drunk driver you gigantic nigger cuck

>>105599170 (OP)
>Drinking alcohol is.... LE GOOD & NUTRITIOUS!!

>>105599526
This.

>>105599170 (OP)
People are just addicted to different things today, it's just that substances have already been demonized to hell and back

>>105599170 (OP)
The reason why alcohol is in decline is cause alcohol is more expensive than before. And alternative drugs are cheaper and more easily available. Also the taboo of drugs is kinda gone under the youth. It used to be that almost no one really did drugs in my town except maybe a few. Now all the cool kids are doing it.

>>105599170 (OP)
>they don't socialize
>they're t-t-talking to other people

>>105599636
Degenerate

>>105599170 (OP)
Gen Z is in their early - late twenties now, this guy is talking about gen alpha.

>>105599170 (OP)
Of course, you need to cross some boundaries for evolution to occur, maturity even. Nowadays there is no 3rd space, neither on the physical plane nor in the internet. Everything has become commodities, rectified, rationalized, aseptisized. Everything is own and ultimately ruled by a corpo. Your experience of life meditated through a subscription service, the neoliberal capitalism wet dream, even worse than what the cyberpunk dystopian could have imagined, where there were still space for hackers to thrive and game the system.

And the worse of it all? You asked for this, all in the name of comfort, boredom, and cheap social gratification.

>>105599170 (OP)
Petroleum based (cheap) energy has ruined society, if you really think about it.

>>105599354
every first world country is like this.
thirdies too poor for phones might live differently

Should we kill ourselves?

>>105599666
>they're also poor as fuck

But somehow have the latest Nikes, video games, vapes, energy drinks, Starbucks, Stanley cups, earbuds, Funko Pops, Dubai chocolate, and use Doordash.

>>105599170 (OP)
Also they don't take drugs anymore.
Marijuana, LSD, XTC... that's some boomer thing now.

alcohol genuinely sucks. the buzz lasts for like 1 hour at best. when you get high off weed at least its like 4-8 hours of good time.

>teenagers stop drinking alcohol
>this is somehow a bad thing

>>105600029
Energy is more expensive now than it was during the coal age.

>>105600147
energy is free. its called solar. the sun can power a car battery.

>>105600158
Sure because zoomers can afford a 20k PV

>>105599170 (OP)
Oh no the alcohol industry will go out business. How terrible, people arent poisoning themselves as much.

>>105600170
zoomers use tiktok which means they use aliexpress. the chinese pump out high power cheap solar.

>>105599170 (OP)
I just drink alone in my room while listening to music and go to sleep nowadays.

>>105599170 (OP)
>Has mobile phone technology ruined society?
Yes.

>>105599170 (OP)
>Has mobile phone technology ruined society?
Yesn't. It's a consequence of overzealous helicopter-parents who bought into the post 9/11 fear porn.

t. '98zoomer who was locked up and has never in his life had a sleepover or gf until age 24.

>>105599170 (OP)
I've never drank even if I was out with others. I were always saying I just don't want to touch alcohol and I always orderer juice or lemonade instead. My family have like 4 generations of alcoholics. My father managed to stop drinking and he doesn't drink at all anymore. My brother is still wasting himself from time to time, but he wants to stop too. I decided as teen to not touch that shit ever. I didn't like the outings with colleagues either. I've went few times and it was boring and stupid. The drinking outings aren't fun at all. They are only having fun because they are intoxicated - it's literally like gaslighting yourself you have fun but actually not. I can have fun without alcohol by playing tabletop games or other party games, but drinking outings and parties are just overrated. Good riddance. It's good to see that people drink less. Alcohol is poison and ruins lives. The problem is not alcohol consumption but social media and smartphones.

>>105599170 (OP)
>the biggest bane to humanity for tens of thousands of years is on the decline
>"THIS IS A DISASTER!"

>>105599666
>Part of Gen Z's problem though is that there aren't really any public spaces where they can exist anymore without spending money or getting the cops called on them
Horseshit
All they have to do is not constantly disturb the peace, harass others and break shit, but that's boring, hence bullshit like street takeovers or just general rioting. Unfortunately that's literally a culture now, people self admit it.

>>105600573
>>the biggest bane to humanity for tens of thousands of years is on the decline
having to socialise in person?

>>105600621
Alcohol, you pickaninny.

>>105600136
>haven't we fucked over the zoomers enough?
>NO! CONSUMER PRODUCTS SHOULD BE AS UNAFFORDABLE AS HOUSING AND HEALTHCARE

>>105600573
>the biggest bane to humanity for tens of thousands of years is on the decline
White birth rates?

>>105600689
Zoomers have lots of discreetary spending money.
They just choose to spend it on luxuries and conveniences and then pretend they have to buy those things just to "live"

>>105600746
>dude just never buy anything and live like an ascetic monk, you can definitely afford a home on a few years of pocket lint trust me bro

>>105600689
they can't be that poor considering most of them have $1000 phones

>>105600573
>>the biggest bane to humanity for tens of thousands of years is on the decline
No, semities still exist

Zoomer here. I don't care about drinking. Does that make me a bad person?

>>105599170 (OP)
oh no won't someone force the kids to drink? think of the children of the alcohol conglomerates

Weed legal now.

>>105600905
It does to boomers and gen x'ers for some reason.

>>105600839
You actually won't own anything if you spend every red cent on bullshit.

>>105600905
It sometimes feels that way. People around me have finally stopped pressuring me. They finally have some self awareness.
All it took was people constantly arguing, broken marriages, getting into accidents or fucking dying to realize that maybe, just maybe I have reservations based on observable consequences rather than just being weird.

>muh alcohol
I like how a decline in consumption is always framed to be a bad thing. It enables already dumb people to act more stupid.

>>105599170 (OP)
older gen z here ('98)
i drank with my parents because they were the cool parents
i still drink with my parents because they're still the cool parents

>>105600482
It's probably a very good thing that you didn't drink anon, saying this a "ex" alcoholic. Also >>105600983
It's not all bad, alcohol helps shy and autistic (usually high iq) people socialize.
Where as for dumb people, yes, it just makes them dumber and has no redeeming qualities.

>>105600136 >>105600746 Yes and no. Many do but it's usually parents or someone elses (sugar daddy for example) money.
Real things (housing, transport, food) have gotten increasingly unaffordable, and people today have much smaller opportunities to "make it". This is a fact.

I used to think like you. Of course wasting money is never good but the economic situation is just such that what I actually saved up in my youth while most people wasted their money didn't amount to that much because of all the inflation and just how expensive it is to have a normal life (wife, home, car, kids)

>it's bad to drink
>it's bad not to drink
>it's bad to hang out with friends (they are all stupid and will hook you onto drugs)
>it's bad to not hang out with friends
Sooner you realize there's no winning in game where someone else sets the rules, the better.

>>105601101
>Real things (housing, transport, food) have gotten increasingly unaffordable
I guess it depends on what you'd consider housing, transportation or food.

I can get a new manufactured home on a piece of land for probably like 100k all in. Minimal down payment and current rates that's probably $700 a month, pretty affordable.
Same with cars, 20k Corolla is cheap enough.
Don't even get me started on food, just cook and you could probably have steaks every other day.

I've always lived rurally so maybe my perspective is different.

No wonder they're all incels. Alcohol is a social lubricant.

2002 zoomer here
no one is drinking because we're all doing drugs

>>105601419
What drugs?

Boomers:
>The problem with kids these days is that they don't get drunk enough
Also boomers:
>We need to protect children from literally everything in existence and make sure that they never do anything but sit quietly in school and then go home and do homework

I wish Logan's Run was a documentary.
>t. Xillenial

>>105599719
I look like this and say that

i generally dont have friends but a couple of years ago i went out to get something to eat and everyone was on their phone like holy fuck what's the point

>>105600139
this is the fault of mass surveillance and rampant lacing

>>105599170 (OP)
>be told for years that you're a rapist for even looking at a girl
>any mishaps from drinking will be recorded in HD quality and stuck on the internet forever
>alcohol is getting more and more expensive in an already difficult economy
Might as well stay inside where I can have fun for cheap

>>105599170 (OP)
Generally, yes.

>>105599170 (OP)
has the printing press ruined society?

>>105599170 (OP)
no, society was relatively fine when phones existed but not smartphones or social networks

>>105602895
*mobile phones

>>105602316
you can actually make that argument. Didn't Plato
?

>>105599170 (OP)
It strengthened society.

>>105599170 (OP)
>society is dead
Well boomers killed it. Everything that was fun like going outside and meeting your friends is dead because boomers wanted their retiremnt and imported tons of niggers and other shitskinks. Now you cant go outside anymore without having to look over your shoulder every two minutes. Other hobbies such as repairing old cars? Expensive and tiresome dealing with retards and greedy boomers thinking their shitty crusty shevy is worth 25k. 99% of stuff that involves other people became cancerous since gate keeping isnt a thing anymore. I believe its because the decline started much sooner. People got fed up, started doing things on their own. Since most guys arent getting laid and simply didnt care w*men coudlnt have it and pushed into the hoobies they deemed looser shit 20 years ago. Everything is sexualised, eveyone is loney and searching for something worthwhile and everything became gay and retarded. Thank god IT is the last resort for white men. Its to complex for niggers and woman and just frail enough to be constantly on your toes to keep up.

>>105599170 (OP)
No, boomers ruined society. Zoomers are just coping with the consequences.

>>105602161
This.
>pre smartphones
>do dumb shit when drunk with friends
>worst that could happen is stories about you being a dumbass

>smartphone era
>your dumb shit is instantly recorded, uploaded to every social platform
>you wake up in a morning into a shitstorm of drama
>no life retards from other side of the earth call you rapist degenerate or some other shit

social media and smartphones murdered IRL social interactions. economy doesn't help the matters either.

>>105600689
Most of those "consumer products" were things that didn't have money being spent on in the supposed glorious days of the past. People would make coffee at home and bring to work, only rich people would have considered getting a taxi to deliver them chicken nuggets. Some zoomers will have not just an iPhone, but Fitbit, MacBook and iPad. Overall younger generations live the most spoiled lives at their age in human history. (It's a spectrum but it's always been that way.) If you take something like soccer now, for example , it's not anymore just a basic thing kids play at the playground or with a regular school team. Now they have travel teams where parents pay for hotel rooms and meals in different states, specialized coaching and game video and photography, cleats, shinguards and much more.

$360 billion in disposable income for US zoomers in 2022.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jefffromm/2022/07/20/as-gen-zs-buying-power-grows-businesses-must-adapt-their-marketing/

Somewhat related video where if you start around 2 minutes in it explains how poor people of today live better than the founding fathers and kings of the past -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFPik2_EudU&

>>105599170 (OP)
Yes, the decline is slated around the introduction of the iPhone.

Why do NPCs think this is how intelligent humans present their arguments?

>>105600746
Every generation has a bunch of idiots buying shit they can't afford and spending money frivolously. I have a friend like that, have had uncles/aunts like that, and see younger people like that. You're just in the "kids these days.." phase of getting older now.

>>105599170 (OP)
Phones have increased traffic incidents but have decreased false imprisonments.

>>105599207
What about the videos of people who are in fact not drunk and are still arrested for a DWI?

>>105599170 (OP)
yeah i basically entered chronic social isolation past 2016. i wasnt doing well as it was but discord just made it wayy worse

>>105603018
Plato didn't say shit about the printing press. His teacher Socrates thought writing things down would make people stupid.

>>105601278
Square footage? Septic or sewer? State and county? Building materials? Utility hook-ups? Distance from groceries and jobs?
100k is insanely low.

yeah it's the phone's fault

>>105599170 (OP)
>Society's dead
Good and people like you are to blame for everything.

>>105599170 (OP)
It ruined the internet, society was always shit.

>>105599719
lol saved

>>105599701
Drinking is European, White culture, there are pubs in England still operating that date back to the Romans.

>>105605341
i'm glad i don't live in america

>>105599701
>Get killed by a drunk driver you gigantic nigger cuck

I only drink at home (alone).

>>105607002
>>105599719
kekd hard + saved

>>105605341
Woah the kid could run someone over
Does he have a loisence to operate that vehicle?

>>105603476
>mandatory essentials like housing, food and transportation are unaffordable but that's OK because optional luxuries are cheaper then ever!
thanks mr boomer

Millennials spent their entire lives complaining about boomers and now they've become the boomers kek.
Fucking subhuman generation

>>105600105
You realize China already democratized phones, right?

>>105599170 (OP)
>Society is dead because I'm old and kids don't do what I did
Genocide these insufferable beings

>>105604665
you know they blood test you right? Its probably pretty accurate

>>105599170 (OP)
Why are the colors in this screenshot so fucked up?

>>105607091
Britain has entered the chat.

>>105599170 (OP)
>WHY YOU NOT DRINK WIV RANDUM PEOPLE IN HOUSES??? YOU KILLED SOCIETY!!!!

There is simply too much good entertainment (and slop) available online for people to give a shit about rotting in some shithole booze den.

>sit in your cozy home with all of your favorite things, entertainments and people online you talk to
>or
>drink in random peoples sticky dark houses with other drug addicted drunks

if you need alcohol to socialize you are a faggot and were never social to begin with

>>105599170 (OP)
If you think socializing = being drunk, yes.
I for one, hate drunkies, and I would not think twice on running over them whenever I'm driving.

>>105599170 (OP)
I wouldn't be surprised if it's simply just a matter of vaping (nicotine and weed) being more popular among zoomers as the drug(s) of choice. It's more accessible, more discreet, less expensive (in some instances, anyway), and less harmful to your health (including no shitty hangovers and such).

>>105600573
But what about the profits of mega-corporations?

>>105599170 (OP)
Society went from doing petty mischief, ruining your liver and risking your life, to playing around with a screen, what's going on with the world???

>>105599170 (OP)
Note: The person in ops pic had a crash out recently and is a well known right wing nut case

>>105607913
you're right, i'm not a social person.
imo, if you can socialise just fine without alcohol, then don't drink. for me though i'm closer to a normal non-drunk person only when smashed in terms of socialising

>>105600689
It's ironic because millennials got the same shit, can't afford BIG THING, end up spending more on "small luxuries"
Then again some people have it better than others, people renting are struggling, people living at home tend to spend a lot on the luxuries, and then you have the bougie cunts who's parents bought a house in the crash as an 'investment' and they live there for free (maybe even bills paid by daddy)

>>105608308
friend of mine bought a property to rent out when they were cheap but sold it a couple years later. not sure it was because one of the tenants was arrested for murder but it was soon after

I am an introvert. Society was trending towards introversion before smartphones. When I was a kid all the other kids in school were a bunch of assholes. This made me withdraw. Don't like this? Fix society instead of bitching about phones. You're concerning yourselves with the symptoms and ignoring the disease that is societal rot.

>>105608436
The real cause is forcing flocks of children to learn tree anatomy and think something's great gonna happen because education good

>>105600012
Yo, bro, Baudrillard would be doing cartwheels in his grave seeing how much we’ve marinated in the simulation sauce for sure. But listen bro you’re talking like this is some untouchable blackpill. Like we just gotta sit here and sip Onions while Netflix reboots our souls. Nah bro. You gotta hit the weights and hit the books.

You know who wasn’t just standing around whining about the simulation? My boy Plato. That’s right. PLATO. The OG. The Chad of the ancient world. The man wrestled, bro. He didn't just flex his brain, he flexed his actual traps. He told you straight up to get out the cave, stop staring at the shadows, climb. It’s hard. It’s dangerous. You might take an L. But you can move. There’s an escape. There’s a dub to chase.

Baudrillard? Nah, bro. Baudrillard’s that dude standing at the bottom of the cave saying, “Nah man, you can’t climb out, it’s all fake, just vibes and simulations.” Weak. Folding. Paper-thin resolve.

Plato would’ve suplexed this man through a stone tablet.
French guy wouldn’t have even gotten his coat off before he got slammed.
Baudrillard out here posting about the simulation while Plato’s running stairs with Socrates on his back. Different league, bro.

And yeah, the system’s rigged. Yeah, corpos got their greasy hands on everything. But Plato’s telling you to square up and transcend. Baudrillard’s telling you to sit in the mall food court and accept the nugget deal is your life now.

So yeah bro—Plato clears. He wins the fight. He wins the philosophy. And he wins the soul battle. Stay mad, simulation enjoyers.

Let’s get real.
Let’s get jacked.
Let’s get out the cave.

>>105603476
>Now they have travel teams where parents pay for hotel rooms and meals in different states, specialized coaching and game video and photography, cleats, shinguards and much more.
I'm old, but in Canada this just sounds like hockey has always been(if you're good enough to justify it). Always expensive in multiple ways(not just equipment), lots of travel etc.
Maybe that's unique to Canada, but wouldn't football have been similar in the US?
I suppose you're using soccer as the example because that was always the meant to be the universally cheapest sport worldwide in theory. But it doesn't surprise me that it would take on similar characteristics of more popular sports in NA as it gained popularity over the last 20-30 years or whatever.

>>105599170 (OP)
Oh no, what will we do without underage drinking?

>>105608764
Is that the anime where the mangaka recruits highschool girls to 'model', and takes them around to places where they participate in underage drinking?
Or is it just similar style...

Drinking is too dangerous now.
Too many browns around who prey on those who show any kind of weakness.

>>105599170 (OP)
kikes and their pet niggers ruined it.
phones just mopped up the people I didn't want to talk to anyway.