Gentoo going down the tubes? - /g/ (#105602479) [Archived: 1024 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:18:08 PM No.105602479
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Is he correct? Is gentoo getting taken over by google and slowly abandoning inits other than systemd?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:14:21 PM No.105602944
>>105602479 (OP)
Yes and he's not alone. Plenty of people have been banned from Gentoo over the last 10 years for calling out what's happening. See:

https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105566250/#105567568
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:16:48 PM No.105602961
>>105602944
Let's be real, both that anon and that forum poster are probably the same person. And probably one of you 2 guys too >>105602479 (OP) >>105602944 .
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:20:27 PM No.105602997
>>105602961
Yeah it's just one person. No one else has noticed or been banned. It's not like there are Google employees and Red Hat employees sitting on the council and using the same tired excuses to silence people.

https://archives-cdn-origin.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/5284753.ZASKD2KPVS@farino/
https://archives-cdn-origin.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/610b4436-7881-eff7-16f6-ea1ad3076034@gentoo.org/
https://archives-cdn-origin.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/134682b4303fd9d0ed28c767decab89a2498e591.camel@gentoo.org/

Nothing to see here. A small group hasn't seized control of the project and started pushing their agenda. Long time users and developers haven't been banned. Their websites haven't been deplatformed when they attempted to organize outside of the project's control either.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:24:03 PM No.105603022
>>105602997
5 rupees have been deposited into your Jeetgle Play account
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:25:09 PM No.105603030
systemd is an nsa backdoor
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:25:43 PM No.105603034
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https://archives-cdn-origin.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/4cbc0905-b0c2-e207-9929-93e85be19704@gentoo.org/

>We should also keep in mind that the current situation hasn't just magically appeared out of nowhere.
>Gentoo has for many years (it already was when I first came in contact with it ca 15 years ago) a meme in certain forums that in the last years have been leaning more and more to the extremes of a certain side of the political spectrum.
>It is easy to see where is this kind of speech coming from and how we ended up where we are. To keep such people away we need a significant part of the community to agree and act so that they are not welcome, and this is not just us the developers, this is something where we need most of the users too!
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:35:15 PM No.105603104
>>105602997
Are there any forks or whatnot? What is the general sentiment amongst gentoo users?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:36:47 PM No.105603119
>>105602479 (OP)
What exactly is the problem with systemd?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:37:31 PM No.105603130
>>105602479 (OP)
uninstall gentoo
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:39:48 PM No.105603154
>>105603119
there are better inits, it was forced on people in an extremely hostile manner a decade ago, and all the bad predictions about it (we're gonna make things hard depend on it so you can't use anything else) are coming true.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:42:46 PM No.105603182
>>105603154
Functionally what are the issues with it?
Or what do the other init systems do better?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:44:39 PM No.105603191
>>105603182
Its non-portable in the extreme. There has been an issue with CVE's. Its add on tools have serious quality issues.
dinit is a supervising system that does what the systemd core functionality is, and does it much better.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:46:48 PM No.105603212
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>>105603191
usecase for not using systemd?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:47:45 PM No.105603221
>>105603104
The original founder of Gentoo started Funtoo years ago because when he tried to come back to lead Gentoo again the council ousted him. DRobbins admits he fucked up really bad when he made the council system before leaving to work with Microsoft for a few years. Since he was starving and had no choice at the time. The council was intended to function as a democracy where maintainers would serve short terms and make decisions about the direction of the project. Instead like all democratic software projects it was taken over by bad actors who have squatted on the positions of power and serve multiple terms while voting for each other over and over again. Most of which work for the usual companies (e.g. Google, Red Hat, Microsoft, IBM etc).

DRobbins finally gave up on Funtoo last year because it was becoming impossible to keep up with the constant churn that is modern Linux kernel+userspace. Although the website is still up and it's certainly much better than Gentoo itself. Funtoo was designed to use git from the start and allow people to develop in small teams instead of focusing on one large tree like Gentoo's portage. Where core maintainers can dictate to everyone else due to the nature of the project. Hence why the same people that took over the council squat on all the core applications that make up the distro.

Most everyone has either fled to *BSDs (mostly OpenBSD and NetBSD. Some on FreeBSD) or they're maintaining their own local overlays that are so far removed from the main tree that it isn't even the same distro anymore.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:49:22 PM No.105603234
>>105603182
depends on what you want.
runit is much faster and a modern init.
dinit is also much faster, but is a more complete system supervisor than runit.
s6 is all that too, but kind of a bitch to figure out.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:50:19 PM No.105603244
>>105603221
You can find the main difference between how Gentoo is developed and how Funtoo was managed here by the way: https://www.funtoo.org/Wolf_Pack_Philosophy
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:50:48 PM No.105603249
who care?. sorry but since the dead of Sabayon, gentoo has fallen into irrelevancy.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 8:59:08 PM No.105603313
>>105603249
Huh, both Sabayon and Funtoo are dead. RIP.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:02:59 PM No.105603350
>>105603313
The only use of Gentoo is beta testing packages for ChromeOS.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:19:37 PM No.105603524
>>105602479 (OP)
He is correct. Where he's wrong is I'm not convinced they need a replacement.

Elogind, Udev and Tmpfiles are all fine at what they do. Use the best tool for the job and if that's a Systemd tool then so be it. You're not going to be able to easily replace Udev with say Busybox's mdev, not unless you want to patch the whole world and upstream will probably never take your code because Udev is so ingrained as the defacto device manager on Linux.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:52:12 PM No.105603822
>>105602997
>>105602479 (OP)
i dont get it. just fork it. isnt that the point of your freeze peach distro method? if you cant do it then you get what you deserve
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:58:10 PM No.105603872
>>105603822
Yes just fork it and spend all day patching around all of upstream because all of upstream is now NSA software. Great idea.
>freeze peach
Faggots like you get what you deserve.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:11:27 PM No.105603964
>>105603872
>just patch around upstream
um no? just fork it completely. stop accepting globohomo aids
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:21:35 PM No.105604038
>>105603964
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:25:14 PM No.105604071
>>105604038
if your liscence doesnt allow this for some reason then you cucked yourself
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:28:52 PM No.105604100
pol shitpost
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>>105603034
He's not wrong.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:04:08 PM No.105604400
>>105603212
this, but without irony