normies cant simply download enterprise/LTSC versions and shut up about it, this is the shit that killed Windows 7

Just because 10 LTSC IoT gets updates until 2032 it doesn't mean software devs are going to keep supporting it. If cloudfare drops support you're pretty much done.

Windows 11 works on my i3 from 2012-14. It will work with you unless you have core2duo lacking pop-cunt instruction.

>>105607905
Is that something to worry about now, considering there's currently no real reason to switch whatsoever? At least W10 had dx12 OOB. CF also doesn't really have a reason to outright block 10 any time soon if ever.

>if you haven't subscribed, pleasssseee subscribe, and I hope to see you all again vvvvverrrrrrryyyyy soon!

>>105607918
you can use 23h2 without popcunt

>>105606732 (OP)
I skipped vista and 8 and I can skip this too. I'll skip you too. I'll skip everything.

>>105609485
i loved when he switched studios and didn't have the greenscreen up yet in his dank basement. i watched him and enjoyed his kino before they found the bodies

i switched to ubuntu. linux has come a long way since the vista years.

Why the fuck would I go to LTSC? It's delaying the inevitable and assumes baked in support by third parties (who won't).
Once you're on FF ESR, you're done, once cef stops being updated, you're done as every piece of shit person uses electron.
It's just not worth it, easier to switch to linux.

Will 10 Edu still be supported?

>>105609613
No.

>>105609599
Cause most people are forced on win by wither
Work
Or simple annoy at dealing with a PC, most people don't want to waste days setting up an OS for it just to learn sudo apt get and chmod ./

Sad truth, 99% would gladly take a shitty software if it means better GUI

I'm one of those

Been using Ubuntu for over 20 years

>>105609565
This. Even on my gaymen machine. I'm completely done with windows.

>>105606732 (OP)
massgrave esu migration is a few clicks, and so simple even your grandmother can do it.

i reverted from win11 to win10 iot ltsc like 2 years ago because win11 bloat angered me.

i'm thinking about switching back to win11 and just trying to get used to it.

I'll stay on W10 until graphics drivers stop working on it, other drivers don't really need updates
Even when stuff stop being supported, 10 and 11 are basically the same shit so you most likely can just install W11 drivers on W10 anyway so whatever
Hard pass for me, either they un-fuck windows (HAHAHAHA) or I'm going back to Linux
Do we finally have a decent VM GPU pass-through solution? I'd just use a stripped down windows VM for gaming in that case

My mum and brother are normies. They've had their Windows 10 laptops since 2016, they just said they will just keep using 10 until their laptops break.

>nooo I can't move on or update to modern software you NEED to support obsolete garbage foreveeeeeeeeeeer
It was pathetic when it was XPboomers, it was pathetic when it was 7colds, it's pathetic when it's 10omers.

>>105606732 (OP)
Why do morons think they can't just keep using Windows 10?

Holy shit Microsoft really brainwashed people

>>105611510
they are called npc golems for a reason anon

>>105611393
My hardware is fully compliant with w11 requirements. I choose not to enable secureboot and tpm because I'm not a faggot and do not want to use w11.

>>105611510
Using outdated Microsoft OS is a shitty experience. More shitty than typical.

>>105611554
>low Iq cope
>>105611510
>>105611548
>actually trying to promote using outdated software without security patches mere months after this place got destroyed as a direct result

>>105611594
>MUH SECURITY PATCHES

All you need is a firewall and not being retarded and you could still be using Windows XP safely

>>105611594
10 rupees have been deposited into your account, Rajesh. Keep up the good work, maybe Nadella will say hello to you in the corridor now!

>>105606732 (OP)
It's fun watching all the idiots panic every time MS forces them to change to a new version.

>>105611554
>i hobble my computer and limit what it can do
>because im not a faggot
Pick one.

>>105611609
>>105611613
>UPDOOTING BAAAAAAAD AND SOI AND GAY AND TRANNY
>on the website that got pwned and its entire staff doxed precisely because they didn't update their fucking software
>ALSO UR INDIAN I have no ability to come up with a real argument or conversation because I have an IQ of 40 so spewing buzzwords is all I can dooooooo UR INDIAN UPDOOTING IS INDIAN AD;LFKJDS;LKFJAD;SLFJKJ *SHITS PANTS*
Subhuman behavior.

>>105610258
>implying win11 has better GUI than win10
one must have profoundly shitty taste

Within 1 day of support "ending", some pirate will find a way to get the official paid updates for free in case anyone's too lazy to move to LTSC.

>>105612092
someone will find how to patch the ltsc updates to regular win 10

>>105611956
your computer doesn't take thousands of anonymous dicks penetrating your system raw like servers do
normal desktop system is behind a fucking router and you can't establish connection unless it's port-forwarded
they need to breach your router first
instead of worrying about your system keep your router firmware up to date
that's fucking all you need to do
the only thing they can do to your system is make unsolicited connections from your pc when you are infected
but these days one must be retarded to get a virus
if you catch a virus these days you are beyond retarded and deserve it

>>105612092
there was some simple change that made windows 7 and XP systems take updates from POS channel so it's probably what will happen

>>105608632
Yes, because ltsc is meant for shitty kiosk tablets/terminals and not for pc/laptops.

>>105612161
>objectively incorrect nonsense
You run one of those port scanners and want people to not be protected against you.

>>105611754
Women will never pick you
Have fun dying alone like the incel loser that you are

Prof Chris is the only tech youtuber that I follow and respect.

>>105611956
didn't read past the first line

>>105606732 (OP)
>killed windows 7
still usable, unless you absolutely need bleeding edge software/hardware.

>>105606732 (OP)
>encourages people to pay for esu updates and ltsc
And I though he was cool.

>>105612092
Massgrave already cracked the ESU updates, they can be enabled through MAS when the date comes

>>105611609
This isn't true, unless by "not being a retard" you mean wiping and installing something like Debian on that old ass machine.

>>105611594
>>105611956
Fearmongering faggot. I'm going to continue using my Windows 10 build I last updated in late 2023 and there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop me.
t. haven't had a malware/virus issue since around 2008

>>105612161
>instead of worrying about your system keep your router firmware up to date
This doesn't do anything, retard. You're not only using an obsolete OS. You're using an obsolete browser. You're using important software like driver utilities or whatnot with admin access that automatically connect to servers to ask for updates. You are using dozens of bits of software that can install whatever they want on your computer. Yes you can be infected in this manner by just visiting a website, what actually protects you from that isn't a router, it's frequent updates to your computer.

The ONLY thing protecting retards like you from yourselves is that sometimes you by happenstance pick a retarded obsolete computer setup that is too small to be worth attacking. Windows 10 will not be one of those.

>>105606732 (OP)
I am simply going to swap my dual-boot setup. Linux Mint is going on the nVME drive that Win10 is currently on, and Win10 will be banished to the 500 GB SSD with LAN and WIFI drivers removed. I will simply not be upgrading to Windows 11.

>>105615714
What are you going to use Win10 for?

>>105615725
Cubase, I have too many VST libraries that just don't work on Linux and I cba to figure out a way to get them to work. It'll just be my music-making OS until either MS unfucks itself (hah!) or I get a Mac.

>>105615611
>updating software is FEARMONGERING
You strike me as the type to make video essays about how a childrens' cartoon traumatized you.

>>105615750
That's a good plan. People will point to Photoshop not working on Linux, but really for creative stuff Linux's biggest weakness is music recording and mastering. Maybe someday.

>>105607905
>it doesn't mean software devs are going to keep supporting it
So what are they going to do, drop support for >50% of their user base?

You know you're an oldfag when you remember the same fucking conversations we had when it was Windows 7 to Windows 10

>>105606732 (OP)
Windows 11 Enterprise LTSC IoT is just as good as Windows 10 LTSC IoT, PROVIDED you've stripped it down to its barebones and remove all the shit that makes Windows 11 shit to use.

>>105615759
>trying to convince people to move to an objectively worse OS because of muh security boogeyman isn't fearmongering
Never had an issue running wildly outdated software, still not installing the Win11 jew

>>105615776
>but really for creative stuff Linux's biggest weakness is music recording and mastering
There's ways to get around it and use VSTs on Linux but I heavily doubt it's would be a latency-free experience. That's really the biggest issue with Linux, the lack of driver support for audio work, because everything has to be emulated and everything that introduces even an extra 10ms of latency adds up and fucks up your recording process.

>>105610258
Android has replaced most of what I do with my laptop. As steam os improves, I could move my gaming over there. MSFT can go take a hike.

>>105615750
>>105615818
The good thing about just using a non-internet connect Windows 10 OS for music is you can still download new plugins with the Linux OS, and just put them on whatever drive the rest of the plugins are on. Hell I know musicians that have been using 12+ year old Macs for music, there is really zero need to be at the forefront of computer technology for music as long as your computer has enough power to run stuff.

>>105615776
Linux's music situation is improving though. Photoshop will be much more difficult to deal with because it has no real competition and Adobe absolutely loathes Linux.

>>105615854
>Photoshop will be much more difficult to deal with because it has no real competition
Affinity got bought out not too long ago. They're gonna be a contender with proper corporate backing now.

>>105615862
Affinity doesn't support Linux either, but even if it did, you're massively underestimating how hard it is to fully replace PS.

>>105615784
Pretty soon, yeah. You vastly underestimate how much of a freeloader you are. You don't buy any products or services, that's why you still use an obsolete OS. You don't make any of the corporations that make your software any money.

>>105615801
I switched to Linux back then. The fact that Microsoft is unironically telling hundreds of millions of people to just throw out their perfectly functional computers will not go over as well as you think it will.

>>105615885
>you're massively underestimating how hard it is to fully replace PS.
I thought that's what Stable Diffusion already did

>>105615885
>Affinity doesn't support Linux either
oh damn you're right I was thinking of Krita, that works on Linux. I have Affinity on my Mac. What IS so hard about replacing PS though? I do quite a bit of digital painting and stuff and Krita works perfectly fine for all of that. I'm assuming it's photo editing where the other software just isn't there yet?

>>105615896
That's a lot of projection & retardation you've got going there.

>>105615981
You aren't proving anything.

>>105615930
People are used to the workflow, have to use it for work or just the fact that while you can use Krita for photo editing, it's lacking in some areas, like how the tool for inserting text into images is hilariously bad

>>105615997
Neither are you, especially with the nonsensical projection pulled out of your ass ;)

>>105615998
>People are used to the workflow
It's fucking 2D art. If people can successfully switch from Maya to Blender they could do the same with PS, they're just lazy and would rather keep wearing Adobe's shackled for the rest of their lives.

>>105612255
And?

>>105616003
>projection
If you made money then people would keep serving you. They don't. It's not projection. Posting a random Win11 screenshot says absolutely nothing about the fact that you don't buy anything for any Win7 computers you own. You don't. And it'll be the same for your Win10 computers.

I was on 7 until about a year ago and didn't feel like going to 10 or 11 and made the switch to linux Mint. Wasn't difficult, many things had to be relearned but answers questions are easy to find. More recently i switched to Fedora KDE plasma and couldnt be happier. I would probably recommend Federa KDE plasma over Mint, especially if you have new hardware. All the games i play have worked fine.

>>105616012
There are a LOT of people who still pay for Maya simply because they're used to it. Artists are some of the biggest baby ducks alive and the only kind of person I've met that consistently had a negative opinion of me personally on the sole basis that I use Linux.
Also, Photoshop's whole ecosystem is tremendous. Some plugins cost hundreds of dollars because they are hard to replace.

>>105611592
>shitty experience because the OS is "outdated" (not really) vs shitty experience because the OS is W11
I'll take my chances.

>>105616012
So what if it's laziness? That is the reason people wont change programmes in 99% of cases, and don't discount the "prestige" of Photoshop, it's like having a Apple device, the brand is the point not the functionality, if alternatives to Photoshop are seen as being for poorfags and losers they will not be adopted even if at parity in functionally, then need to be better for mass adoption, luckily Adobe themselves are trying their hardest to tank their rep

>>105616051
I got a brochure from an artist recently who was advertising a carving class. The back of it was all of the other things he can teach you. SGI's logo is on there.

>>105616034
You're confused.
This is the projection:
> You don't buy any products or services, that's why you still use an obsolete OS. You don't make any of the corporations that make your software any money.
It's 100% false and completely unrelated from the discussion, you pulled it out of nowhere and have absolutely 0 knowledge on the subject, because you can't possibly have any such knowledge about an anonymous post on the internet. Whatever reason exists for you to post this, it exists strictly in-between your ears and not in reality. I'm not even using anything obsolete, I'm running up to date W11 Pro.

>If you made money then people would keep serving you. They don't.
They do, though. Nothing has dropped support for W10, not hardware nor software. Shit just works and will continue to work. Your argument is fundamentally retarded and nonsensical in the first place. If all these users made no money for companies, then they would not be supported anyway. Random company X has no reason to support a user base they get no money from and if they want to drop support for whatever group of users makes them no money they do not need for MS to fuck around with Windows to do it, they can just... stop whenever they want. If the users are being supported today by any for-profit company, then that is because the for-profit company sees reason to do so. You are extremely stupid.

>Win7 computers
>Win7
More retarded projection lmao, what in the fuck is wrong with you?

>>105616134
>It's 100% false and completely unrelated from the discussion
It's true and is a valid argument. Rest of your post is cope.

Posting a Windows 11 screenshot proves nothing.

>>105616063
Good for him, but he's the exception, not the rule. Most digital artists are extremely autistic about their tools.

>>105606732 (OP)
this dude looks like he's king of the nonces

>>105616034
NTA, you're a disingenuous fucking faggot. I have to use the latest version of Windows 11 to get my expensive shit to run properly and I hate it immensely.

Refusing to support an OS from 2009 is one thing, dropping support for an OS that's still being maintained is something else entirely. The ONLY reason companies do it is to cut costs.

>>105616241
No, retard, Windows 10 will not be maintained later this year. Companies will in fact drop support at some point. It's not actually going to be 50% of their userbase very soon, and the userbase that is there will be completely worthless to support.

>>105615635
First thing, I don't use obsolete OS, because I'm on windows 10.
I just said the anon was wrong about his statement.
Second thing there are backports of chrome and firefox to windows 7 and even for windows xp.

>You are using dozens of bits of software that can install whatever they want on your computer.
They can't because firefox asks where to download the file and nowadays doesn't launch file after download by itself.
I don't install webshit pseudo-native apps on my computer, they are contained in browser sandbox where they belong.
I don't install random apps on my computer. I just setup the things I always used and don't install anything for months/years.
I don't run browser without ublock origin, because internet nowadays in cancer and I don't visit random sites.
There is no such thing as port-scanning a Windows computer from the browser. I don't have IPv6 enabled either.

It's impossible to access a port even if it was open without having a direct connection. They would need to either have a malicous host in local network or establish a tunnel through the breached router. The only possible thing that may happen is if your or other device in the network is infected with malware.

>>105616253
>the userbase that is there will be completely worthless to support.
Worthless for faggot game devs, maybe. Not people who do real work.

>>105616277
>First thing, I don't use obsolete OS, because I'm on windows 10.
Your OS will be obsolete soon.

There are no secure backports of Firefox or Chrome to 7 or XP and they're shit versions that don't run properly, meant only for basic browsing. You might as well recommend Lynx.

>>105606732 (OP)

>>105616302
You don't do any real work.

>>105616336
I accept your concession.

>>105616350
Nah, you actually don't do any real work. That's why you post canned arguments like resorting to gaming and making that post right here.

>>105606732 (OP)
explaining computerssssssss... dot com

>>105616358
I already accepted your concession.

>>105607905
Cloudflare hasn't even dropped support for Windows 7, shut the fuck up.

>>105609565
Seems reasonable. Less bloat is a nice bonus.

>>105608632
no, drooling subhuman niggers like >>105607905 have been spouting this bullshit for decades
windows 95 didn't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stopped extended support
windows 98 didn't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stopped extended support
windows 2000 didn't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stopped extended support
windows xp didn't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stopped extended support
windows vista didn't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stopped extended support
windows 7 didn't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stopped extended support
windows 8 didn't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stopped extended support
windows 10 won't stop getting 3rd party support until ms stops extended support
and no about of street shitting by curryniggers like >>105607905 will change that fact

>>105616317
2032 is enough for now
so many things are done in the browser and mozilla won't stop releasing firefox ESR for it, because it's literally the purpose of that channel to support businesses that use older stable OS so it won't need backports for years
the rest of software you can just use what you always used unless you use not-actually native offline applications which are garbage anyway and there are better alternatives
even if proprietary applications stop releasing new versions for 10 and these applications are network based you can still use free and open source software as alternative which usually still supports older windows releases and you can always compile them yourself if it's not the case
new games aren't that interesting and gpus are powerful enough for anything and will be for years still
windows 7 driver support stopped at RTX 3090 and RX 6950 XT which is better than my current one

cry more
I'm not touching 11 unless it becomes actually more efficient than 10, but we know it's the opposite right now

>>105616821
You're ignoring changing trends in software development. Companies are dropping older versions of Windows much earlier than they used to. There are Windows apps that won't even run on 11 unless you update to the latest version of it. "Move fast and break things" and all of that horseshit.

Also, Microsoft switched to the LTSC system for a reason: to segment the market and discourage using extended support Windows versions as general-purpose.

>>105619417
No, he's ignoring your goddamn schizophrenic delusions.
Cloudflare will not drop Win10 just because you want it—ignoring even home users, a lot of companies are depending on Cloudflare's services, and sure as fuck they are going to stick with Win10 to 2032 and beyond.
Probably some of the software devs will foolishly drop Win10 support (especially if some under-the-table deals with Microsoft happen), but the majority will not cut off ~50% of the market. Nobody is that retarded.

I installeded Win 11 (Pro) on a new PC and the old one to be handed down, /fwt/ of course is always happy to help (by reading the OP). Seems to work for me. What exactly are we sperging out about on upgrading again?

>>105607905
I don't have the cloudfare app

>>105619456
It's more about the AIDs you have to remove from 11. If you want a stripped down experience, you have to put together a custom xml file to not install half the shit, then you have to fuck around in Policy Editor to block feature updates and telemetry. Biggest concern is Recall.

>>105607905
It will be fine for years, I run Win 8.1 and it's just the last couple of years new programs have stopped working. I'm building new this year, will be on Win 10 LTSC IoT until programs I use won't work and then switch to Win 13 or Linux.

>>105606732 (OP)
DOT COM, MOTHERFUCKER

>>105619491
But that's the thing, I don't notice the AIDS. I use
>Firefox,
rather than Edge, have the widgets on the taskbar minimized, hid the Copilot button, and I clicked off any push-ads in the install process (and I don't see any so it seems to be truthful). Oh and set File Explorer to start on the classic My Computer screen. Nothing else seems to get in the way in daily use over W10.

Recall is indeed the biggest future concern. Perhaps the plan is to force it once everyone is finally settled into W11. Theoretically encrypted and secure for average people, but the ultimate glownigger blackmail use-case if they ever decide its necessary.

>>105619417
>much earlier than
Oh right of course, I forgot windows ninety fucking eight had widespread support well through 2008. Oh wait, it didn't. In fact the trend has changed to each OS version having considerably longer support periods because businesses and neuroplasticity-devoid mongoloids like (You) have been clinging onto outdated garbitch since XP. Windows 10 is a fucking decade old and is only just being sunset as an operating system. That is an unprecedentedly long time for an active OS.
Where do you retards come from, spouting such obvious lies?

Will my computer explode and release mustard gas once Windows10 support ends

It would be really, really, really great if we could all collectively agree that Linux drivers should be higher priority than windows compatibility and finally just get the fuck out of dodge

If you're still using Windows when proton exists you deserve to lose support.

>>105612092
1 day before support ends, MS will patch in some really obvious security flaw and be shush about it.

>>105615714
exactly what I did anon, although I miss my arch install but I want long term stability so I ended up with mint. One of these days I'll get a more powerful computer and hopefully be able to run photoshop in a windows vm instead of having to keep dualbooting

>>105611592
>>Using outdated Microsoft OS is a shitty experience. More shitty than typical.
>"""upgrade""" from 7 to 10
>bundled with retarded bullshit like Cortana
>control panel options deleted and hidden in Settings App
>"""upgrade""" from 10 to 11
>entire UI redone in fucking javascript, crashes constantly, runs like shit
>context menu buried in an option, some options turned into icons and set side-by-side for some fucking reason
>more settings deleted and stuck in random obscure places in the Settings App
>shit completely missing in Settings App that used to be available in control panel, network options are fucking retarded now
not sure if shill or just retarded

>>105611071
>i'm thinking about switching back to win11 and just trying to get used to it.
Why? You actually miss have to do more clicks to do the same thing as Win 10?

>>105607905
I can load cloudflare sites for 7 still, and I can go on as far back as XP and 2000. I could probably even get it working on 9x if I go through a few hoops.

>>105621504
No, it will release dangerous radiation that will render you infertile and likely give you ball cancer.

>>105622580
Sure, can you run any antiviruses?

>>105622608
Sure, I have one I use all the time called my brain.

Saars out in full force today.

>>105622640
Yeah good luck with that.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/a-windows-xp-machines-life-expectancy-in-2024-seems-to-be-about-10-minutes-before-even-just-an-idle-net-connection-renders-it-a-trojan-riddled-zombie-pc/

>>105622655
That article references the guy who made a YouTube video connecting his XP machine directly to the modem, no router.

>>105622665
Modern modems have built-in routers, a router just translates DNS requests. No wonder why you think you can avoid infections by outsmarting them.

>>105622702
>router just translates DNS requests
They do more than that you disingenuous poo, they have built-in firewalls and security features. And my point still stands because the guy still connected it to a modem without a firewall.

>>105606732 (OP)
Meh, did an in-place upgrade to w11 LTSC 23h2 and modified it with winhawk, no problems whatsoever

>>105622743
>hey have built-in firewalls and security features.
Not inherently, that's not what a router does. If you meant firewall, why make the distinction? If the PC was connected to a modem in bridge mode, it wouldn't have been able to connect to shit.

Modems have those features by default, regardless.
If you have no argument, tend to shut the fuck up.

>>105622903
Mine doesn't have a firewall, a lot of modems don't. Did you even watch the video the article was referencing or did you just quickly search for something to "own" me?

>>105622743
Ok retard, build a winXP box and plug it into your router. Prove it's safe. You won't.

>>105615981
>winblows 11
come home, white man

>>105622903
>>105622944
He even pointed out in the comments.

>>105622947
I've got a 98 machine connected to the internet, no malware, cope and seethe and dilate.

>>105622962
>windows 98 machine on the internet
what are you doing with that with no TLS support?

>>105622981
Nothing really, I haven't gotten any malware just from having it connected to the internet though. Like I said, I'm sure I could jump through a few hoops to connect to websites.

>>105619455
>Probably some of the software devs will foolishly drop Win10 support (especially if some under-the-table deals with Microsoft happen), but the majority will not cut off ~50% of the market. Nobody is that retarded.
I fully expect the majority of companies to keep supporting Windows 10 because of LTSC. But all it takes is one to fuck up your day and force you to upgrade (downgrade).

>>105621486
>Windows 10 is a fucking decade old and is only just being sunset as an operating system. That is an unprecedentedly long time for an active OS.

>winxp: 12 years
>vista: 10 years
>win7: 10 years
>win8.1: 10 years

where do you retards come from, spouting such obvious lies?

I genuinely don't give a fuck.

>>105622962
>lying
>refusing to prove any claims

>>105623736
Which claim? The one about the video the article references? You know there's a pinned comment he made about connecting it directly to an unprotected modem right? I'm not going to screencap it for you, faggot.

>>105623736
>>105623825
Not to mention I watched that video already like a year ago.

>>105622903
>If the PC was connected to a modem in bridge mode, it wouldn't have been able to connect to shit.
Huh? What is this supposed to mean? If it's bridged and you connect a computer to it, the computer gets internet access. I have a bridged "modem" (ONT actually since it's a fiber connection) and if I connect it to a computer I just get a public IP address via DHCP and a functional internet connection.

>Panic
>The calmest motherfucker on earth

Why does LTSC filter normalfags so hard? All I had to do was torrent the ISO (it even had a nice GUI) and write it to a USB drive using Rufus. Then I activated it using the Massgrave script, which is on fucking GitHub. Am I missing something? It really wasn't that difficult.

>>105624230
i'm a severely obese fatfag and i figured it out easily

>>105623838
>>105623825
>MUH ECELEB VIDEO
I told you, YOU, to set up an XP box on YOUR system and prove that YOUR system doesn't get raped by malware when it's put online. YOU need to do this, but YOU won't.