>respects your privacy
>allows you to remain truly anonymous
>less resource intensive than Discord
>has a million of features that Discord does not have and has all the ones that Discord does have.
I don't understand how it hasn't broken through the mainstream yet? I also don't understand how theres people that still use telegram taking into account how it's a fed honeypot now and is just absolutely worthless besides being used as a newsletter and for sharing porn.

I got my close circle to use Element with my own homeserver. I don't see why I should care what the "mainstream" does.

>>105610522
because i talk to normies and all my friends are normies

>>105610531
That's a (You) problem.

It's made by yuropoors

My circle uses it. Helpful because it has different clients for whatever use case (they all use the Matrix protocol). Schildichat is a similar one. There are terminal based ones too if you are into that. Better than IRC because of chat history and modern features. I think its a lack of awareness.

Element’s security (verifying devices and such) is sometimes annoying but whatever.

>>105610560
what you are saying is retarded because why wouldn't you want normies to use it? wouldn't it be better if everyone used open-source and non-jewed up software, don't be elitist

The arguments against Element I have heard are:
>developed by an israeli company
>matrix.org (the "main" homeserver used by most people) is controlled by this same company
>if anyone on matrix.org joins a channel, the metadata for that channel is cloned to matrix.org (even end-to-end encrypted channels)

>>105610499 (OP)
I installed the 2 GB flatpak via flatpakref file and it worked.
Then I downloaded the 150 MB tarball, and it worked, too.
I removed the 2 GB flatpak.

>>105610774
i don't speak linuxchad im sorry

>>105610753
Now I removed the 150 MB tarball.

>>105610753
okay but are they true? regardless even if it were true you can just host your own server and i haven't joined any channels only private conversations another concern would be if my metadata is stored if i have a conversation with someone that is using matrix.org even though im hosting my own

>>105610736
what normies use is not my problem. the people I talk to use element, and normies tend to have dystopian preferences towards forcefully silencing people they don't agree with

>>105610499 (OP)
nobody uses it because nobody uses it

>>105610499 (OP)
the whole "if you want privacy messaging is because you are a pedophile criminal rapist" narrative is what is keeping all of these projects down

>>105610736
How am I "elitist" by saying I don't give a fuck what everyone else does?
If "everyone" is perfectly happy to eat shit (and from what I can see, the majority of people are), I'm not gonna try to stop them.
>wouldn't it be better if
Yes, wouldn't life be just wonderful if everyone else just... did things *our* way? Let us hold each other's cocks and dream of such a world, ah yes.

>>105610825
the thing is that you know better, you know that they are eating shit and that it would be better for them and for everybody in general if they stopped

>>105610797
>okay but are they true?
Unsure, but I heard it from a very reliable source (Luke Smith).
>if my metadata is stored if i have a conversation with someone that is using matrix.org even though im hosting my own
If my post is true, I believe matrix.org would store your metadata. I could be misremembering however.

>>105610753 #
Shiet. Any better homeserver recommendations?

>>105610834
It would be better for me, because I'd be less disgusted by the world I live in. Better for them/everyone else? It's hard to make that case. Most people truly don't give a fuck about any of this.

>>105610864
Tried Revolt last year and it was too buggy.
Looks like they updated it several months ago, though.
https://revolt.chat/

I use Matrix to talk to my "girlfriend" (he's a troon)

>>105610908
can i have xher too

use xmpp

>>105610499 (OP)
because its laggy mess that lacks certain features and is used almost universally by kissless virgins, freetroons and pedophiles.

Infested with pedophiles also too laggy

>>105610923
filtered
>>105610921
filtered

it isn't even laggy

>>105610561
>yuropoors
>>105610753
>>developed by an israeli company
Which one of these statements is true?

>>105611054
Neither, apparently.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/element-hq

>>105611079
you need to dig deeper i think wheres the funding coming from etc, etc. names of the (((developers)))

>>105610499 (OP)
Element is electron dogshit. There's many better matrix clients

>>105611153
>electron
it's an web app, you dip.

>>105611097
https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/

>>105611189
doesn't seem that bad if it can only see when you sent a message to whom and not the content of it, i guess we just have to not use matrix

>>105610499 (OP)
not one person

>>105610499 (OP)
what exactly is it though?

Hosting a server is a fucking mess

>>105610499 (OP)
What a retarded name. Why did they brand themselves as something so generic it's never going to show up in searches?
Discord is generic too but nobody searches for discord as a word. Element meanwhile is a common word.

>>105611991
i googled element logo for picrel and got the clothing brand

>>105610499 (OP)
>Why does nobody use Element?
Network effect and no stickers yet after almost 15 years

>>105610753
>>105611097
Mossad also funds Linux and pretty much every other relevant open source project. Why do you stupid schizos only bring it up when it's about Matrix but never when it's about something else?

>>105611991
They used to be named Vector first and later Riot and then even later Element. Honestly the original name was the best because of Matrix-Vector and it just sounds better too.

>>105610522
this.

Is there an easy guide to set this up as a systemd service and not docker

>>105613082
you can install synapse through pypi/pip https://element-hq.github.io/synapse/latest/setup/installation.html#installing-as-a-python-module-from-pypi . That's what I've done for the past few years. It's fat and bloat but it does work.

shameless plug for my comfy gay server.
Come in for cocks, stay for cocks

https://matrix.to/#/#cuteboys2:matrix.org

>>105610499 (OP)
Because it's a bloated, memory-hungry, insecure piece of shitware. The Matrix spec is a pile of crap as well. I think I'm gonna continue using IRC.
>history
bouncer + many respectable networks and channels keep logs which you can actually download
>inline media
inline malware more like, anyway this is a client thing, there's no reason why a client can't choose to inline media, but nobody is retarded enough to want to
>voooiippp
use a different application, why does one tool have to do everything with wintards
>modern features
modern threat vectors, modern resource consumers, modern bandwidth wasters, modern bloatware

>>105613322
No, I don't think I will

>>105613315
That is so cancerous. I think I'll use NixOS infect on a VPS instead desu

>>105613082
>install ubuntu server
>install matrix-synapse-py3 package
done

>>105613082
https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/synapse_ynh

>>105610499 (OP)
I used it with a fren of mine. works like charm. URL preview, voice call and screen sharing, no problems. Only downside: there is no push to talk

>>105615180
does screen sharing have audio?

>>105615312
can't remember, sry

>>105614514
this was actually easy and retard proof, thanks

>>105615312
Browser audio yes, for everything else there are workarounds but haven't tried them yet. You could also just join the call with two accounts and stream voice on one and desktop audio on the other.

Speaking of discord why has it gone fully faggotized? Yeah, I know it was always a tranny grooming chat service but I've been in some relatively small communities where almost anything goes and now Discord is fucking everyone in the ass for anything

Is it because they're going public?

>>105610499 (OP)
Fucking around with encryption keys and shit really put my friends off. It's more prone to glitches especially relating to shared images. Doesn't seem like a polished end user experience yet to me

>>105610499 (OP)
setting it up is ass cancer tier last time i tried to.