Thread 105628835

I have lots of respect for Kdenlive....
But is there something better I'm not aware of?

>>105628835 (OP)
Vapoursynth/avisynth+ffmpeg+x265/x264 is all you need.

>>105628835 (OP)
i just dont like the look of one of those horses he looks like bad news

>>105628835 (OP)
Davinci Resolve.

>>105628835 (OP)
theres natron but its for compositing vfx instead of having a timeline workflow

>>105628950
natron has weird lockups and it has memory leaks which causes crashes. also exporting the video can sometimes freeze whithout a reason. it would be good software without these everlasting bugs.

>>105629049
yea its a shame

>>105628835 (OP)
Just pirate the popular ones like everyone with a brain does

>>105628905
What a bloated piece of shit. I installed it to check it out once and instantly regretted it. If you think it's bloated on *nix just try installing it on Windows sometime.

I don't fuck around with NLEs much anymore so vapoursynth serves my needs well. Even though it too is a bloated piece of shit compared to avisynth. Which was comfy scripting language and much better than having to pull in 1,000 python dependencies from all over the place. At worse you just had to drop .dll into a directory with avisynth then it would work forever. Too bad it was never properly ported to any other OS and was tied to Windows. The Vapoursynth filters finally got good but they're such a pain in the ass because these faggots refuse to write man pages and they insist on releasing them on discord of all places.

Editing video by hand with scripts is much better than NLE thought once you have an application to view the results in real time. I can do it much quicker than clicking around in a NLE and there are much better filters than the ones offered by all the NLEs I've tried. I can shit out something in about 10 minutes then send it off to the encoder. Where in an NLE I end up fucking around for hours. *synth even works better with audio too.

ffmpeg is a piece of shit too though. I try to avoid it whenever possible and just use the codecs directly. No idea why people can't write a sane CLI anymore or a man page for their bullshit. Everyone expects you to copy/paste random snippets from the internet these days. It sucks.

I was looking for one recently and was legitimately mad that I had to resort to using virtualdub2. Not that virtualdub is bad for what it is, but that in all this time nothing better has come out that is small, fast, and most importantly, works.

just pirate adobe software

>>105629088
>and they insist on releasing them on discord of all places.
I'm so fucking angry at the world that I'm just gonna write this and stop writing more about that.

>Editing video by hand with scripts is much better than NLE thought once you have an application to view the results in real time.
Kind of agree. Most of my editing is done via ffmpeg either via my own scripts or ones that integrate with the mpv media player. For simple crops and cuts it's quite nice.

The only time I break out into a standalone editor (vdub) >>105629091 is when ffmpeg gives me an issue where it won't seek to the frame I asked and instead seeks to what I assume is the nearest keyframe.

While it's been around forever and I've heard about it a lot, I've never actually fucked with avisynth or vapoursynth.
I'll look into it after reading your post.

>>105628835 (OP)
Shotcut is pretty good.

>>105629091
No one designs sane software anymore. Vitruadub is still the best thing around if you want a GUI for capture card+encoding video/audio. Most people moved on to using avi/vapoursynth+ffmpeg for the encoding/editing side of things. But a lot of people still check the scripts in virtuadub before encoding them with ffmpeg (or they encode using virutadub's built in interface to codecs). I still use it for capturing+encoding some things to lossless.

But on the high end people have skipped using capture cards all together lately. Since we can now pull the data directly off VHS and Laserdiscs. Which allows you to retain some quality you couldn't before.

I have no idea why no one has produced a modern virtuadub that isn't tied to Windows. My guess is that most of the people involved in the industry surrounding codecs have sold out and work for one of the major streaming companies now. I know most of the people lurking the usual forums are employed by either Amazon or Netflix. The guy that made x264 trooned out and went full retard about 10 years ago. Most of the other people involved in the business are either quiet and don't participate or they're loud and don't know math. They just shill for one codec over another because they think google is better than MPEG group. I never understood why anyone cares. Everyone just pirates everything anyway and you're going to encode for your hardware no matter what it supports.

For editing the *synths are still and will probably always be the best thing going. Most all of this shit is just a GUI to interface with those+GUI for ffmpeg anyway.

>>105629118
How do I do that in Linux?

>>105629127
>ffmpeg gives me an issue where it won't seek to the frame I asked and instead seeks to what I assume is the nearest keyframe.
Likely keyframes. Most people encoding now are fucking retarded and still set open GOPs with insane amount of b-frames in between I-frames. The way around this is to transcode to a lossless codec which won't hurt the quality any. In a lossless codec every frame is an I-frame so you can do your edits on any frame you want. Then you can encode to whatever lossy codec you want as usual with no loss of quality beyond the lossy->lossy step you're already doing anyway.

You'll like avi/vapoursynth. It's the ultimate solution to the video problem. Once you've built up and become familiar with the various filters you can shit out work at the speed of light. It's really easy to write you own filters as well. You can script anything and everything. When I work on a show I typically only spend a couple of hours selecting and apply filters for the first episode. After that I can automate the other 11+ using the same filter/script chain. Only making minor adjustments here and there for when the odd scene is different from usual.

You can pipe your *synth scripts straight into ffmpeg. Saves a lot of time. No need for the "export" steps. Although I usually still export to lossless codec anyway to avoid the issue with keyframes you've noticed. Depends on the content and what I'm doing with it of course.

If you're capturing video you should also check out the Domesday Duplicator: https://github.com/simoninns/DomesdayDuplicator/wiki/Overview

I have one now and it's much better than using a capture card. Could finally retire the Amiga.

>>105628835 (OP)
Blender is pretty good for video editing apparently, especially if you already use it for 3D
But it's quirky

>>105629154
>My guess is that most of the people involved in the industry surrounding codecs have sold out and work for one of the major streaming companies now.
For sure. A/V engineers and video game engineer developers are something I've always noticed have crazy high demand from the big players. And on the supply side, they're both riddled with mental illness. I'm not trying to make a mean joke by saying that, I've just noticed the pattern you pointed out too where codec devs seem to have a higher suicide rate despite being paid a lot to do what they like. Scary and sad.

>I have no idea why no one has produced a modern virtuadub that isn't tied to Windows.
Yeah seriously. I'd like that too.
I'm not gonna pretend it's easy but also at the same time it seems easier than some of the alternatives that have come into existence like all these complicated and slow NL editors. I couldn't care less if they're complicated but they're all so fucking big and slow.

>>105628835 (OP)
I like shotcut

>>105628835 (OP)
Give the Blender video editor a shot. It's had some major updates lately.

Is there something easy for basic shit? Like windows movie maker?

>>105629154
There just doesn't seem to be much demand for a middle ground when it comes to video editing. Everyone has a more powerful computer than they even know what to do with (aside from stable diffusion porn) so they're accustomed to how megabloated every NLE is, meanwhile ffmpeg is the poster child for Good Enough Syndrome.
>they think google is better than MPEG group.
They are. That bar is EXTREMELY low though.

>>105629205
I've thought about making a virtuadub clone but I don't really have the time to devote to it. It wouldn't be hard. You basically only need to write a GUI around ffmpeg, mpv, vapoursynth+filters and some misc. tools for audio. The only reason it probably doesn't exist is because everyone is chasing the big bucks attempting to cash-in like Adobe and Davinci resolve does.

All the tools are there there just isn't anyone interested in gluing them all together with a nice GUI that normalfags can understand.

>Suicide rate among codec people
I've noticed this as well. Aside from hobbyists doing it for fun (how I started) everyone in the industry seems very angry and very mentally ill. I've seen so many spend thousands of dollars on therapy or various "life style changes". They're never happy even after their "life style change". They're always coming up with some obscure feature no one will ever use as well. All to save like 2 bits per frame or something equally retarded at the expense of everyone being forced to replace all their hardware. I don't get why they can't be content with good enough. It doesn't help that the videophiles and idiots on the internet encourage this either.

>>105629192
>Most people encoding now are fucking retarded
I notice it a lot with Google's variant of h264. No idea what they're doing but it's like dice rolls trying to cut them accurately.

>lossless
Yeah this usually works, just a pain in the ass wasting all that scratch and time when I have to assume there's a better solution.

>*synth
Neat. Really nice to hear.

>>105629213
>>105629195
I've heard this as well but I remember when I was evaluating it they were in the middle of changing the UI around.
I'll have to look into this again. Blender would check some good boxes. Portable, open source, not terribly resource intensive. But I need to see how it compares and what the set up is like since video editing isn't the primary purpose of it.

>>105629232
I don't like mpeg group. I'm just saying tossing out the hardware you already have and paid for. Just to use software from another company that's just as evil is pretty retarded. Especially when you're either pirating content, making content you intend to distro as a pirate or on the small small chance you've gone legit someone else is paying the patent fee anyway. Since it's always passed along to the viewer/customer.

There are still people using a widely unsupported mode of x264 (10-bit) instead of x265 because
>muh patents
>mentally ill guy said it was better 10 years ago
Who cares? It isn't better and the patent thing doesn't matter. x264, mpeg2 and pretty much everything else you have hardware decoding support has a patent fee tied to it as well. The stuff coming out of google is typically much much worse and has less support hardware wise. I don't really care what the codec is. I target for the most users. Which right now means x265 and _maybe_ x264 8-bit color if I'm feeling generous. The viewers don't care about patents and quality. Although I do try to give them good quality when I can.

You're also right. Most producers are idiots as well. They think the only way to produce good video+audio is using an Apple computer and whatever crap (Adobe?) they use on it. When everyone in the industry that's serious uses the same tools I use. Which is *nix or Windows+the usual tools I've already mentioned.

>>105629252
>Yeah this usually works, just a pain in the ass wasting all that scratch and time when I have to assume there's a better solution.
It isn't bad if you have the spare HDD space. You'll delete the lossless version once you're done with it anyway. Don't use "modern" "lossless" codecs like the ones bundled with ffmpeg. Use Huffyuv or Lagarith instead. The vast majority of sources won't need more than those. They're really fast even on 30+ year old CPUs. They just take up more storage space than modern codecs.

>>105628835 (OP)
The hard truth is, closed source is better. Even ancient Vegas Pro 14 or 17 is better than these "nightly" updated open sores shit in terms of smoothness/speed/functions/plugins/etc

>>105629303
Normally I use lagarith for real time capturing, and now I've started using HEVC-lossless for anything not time critical or for archiving.
Lately I've only been doing personal and unimportant shit like slicing out N segments, maybe concatinated together, from some multi hour YouTube stream.
Sometimes it's quicker to just redo the cuts in vdub than it is to wait for the fuckhuge vod to write out its temporary lossless file. Although I forget if this negatively impacts the final encoding, I believe vdub is doing the same thing internally, just passing the raw decoded frame data to ffmpeg anyway.

>>105629335
Depends on if you have vdub in full processing mode or not. Typically, there is no reason to have it in that mode. I understand now wanting to do a lossless step for a simple cut/edit. But sometimes it's just impossible to do it correctly otherwise.

But let's be honest here; Most people are not going to notice something off by one frame anyway unless it's at the middle of scene transition. I've inserted joke frames in the middle of stuff a lot and no one ever noticed unless I make it really obvious. Like text on a black background in the middle of a fade or something similar.

>>105629230
good question
>>105629085
>he thinks his piratee happy meal doesn't have either a backdoor, malware, spyware, or a soul-selling deal to a corpo

>>105629320
I know you're just posting bait but all that "pro" shit is just using the same tools internally.

>>105629230
>>105629354
>good question
Kdenlive is probably your best bet for something close to old Windows Movie Maker.

>>105629320
If you're doing professional work it's not nearly good enough, if you're not it's just more work to pirate.

>>105629133
tried it the other day on a mint partition i have because i didnt want to install avisynth on my win10 partition.
i wanted overlay part of a video on top of another video and avidemux just does image on video.
it kinda worked on shotcut but it fucked with the colorspace to the point where you could see a seam and i wanted a seamless blens.
ended up installing avisynth, flawless, perfect, seamless blend.
avisynth just works.

>>105629192
>Domesday Duplicator
dont you need to modify your vcr an the capture card?
im so glad i no longer need to deal with analog...

>>105629354
>he thinks his piratee happy meal doesn't have either a backdoor, malware, spyware, or a soul-selling deal to a corpo
Why is this kind of schizophrenia so common nowadays? Is it the microplastics and fluoride in the tap water?

>>105629563
>nowadays
FUD about copyright has been parroted since the DMCA, unfortunately.
I'm shocked it somehow has survived.

>>105629088
>I edit video by hand with scripts
Lol you’re not creating anything complex
Resolve is amazing software for free
Getting software like that used to be so expensive and required hardware to even use
What a sperg you are
>muh bloat!
anytime I ses someone complain about that on here I immediately know they’re retarded

>>105629647
doesnt resolve have a steep learning curve?

>>105629563
>>105629627
>It takes 30 minutes to think of a viable way to (in 60 minutes) implement a way that would one-up a business against the plans of a young man trying to undermine the status of a business man
>in a society that is based on absolutely never losing ground or you basically die
>no this never happens it's schizophrenia

>>105629885
wtf are you going on about schizo?

this one looked promising but it looks like the dev stopped or something. the website says it will return so we will see:
https://github.com/olive-editor/olive

>>105629682
>doesnt resolve have a steep learning curve?
Yes, very similar to Blender. But, for normal video editing, a 5 minute tutorial would be enough (you just have to know which tab to go to and how to setup a timeline)

>>105630540
https://youtu.be/nCKkUUkk81w

>>105630596
that's nice, thanks

Daily driving linux for over 12 years.

Davinci Resolve is the only good one.

Blender will eventually be the universal standard once better audio modifiers go in, tons of improvements to the sequencer in 4.5 and 5.0

>>105630737

Also the new Olive based on Godot shows a lot of promise, but its not out yet.

But again, if you want to get shit done today, Davinci.

Any decent alternative for Android?
I need
>cut
>merge
>remux (remove audio so I can post here for example)

I like playing around with virtuldub + deshaker yeaaaaaa

>>105629118
how many loc for a gf like that?

I basically use Blender for quick meme/fun/shit posts daily.
It can't be beat for super swift video edits on the fly since you can just drag whatever file (video clips, images and even fucking GIFs) right on the timeline and it fires up in literally 1 second.
When shit is so bloated and takes 1 minute to start up I kinda lose the fun mood before I started making the shitpost.

>>105628835 (OP)
It crashes for me frequently.
I prefer to use Blender for video editing.

How easy is it to learn to use Blender for video editing?

>>105629091
If you want good software you need to pay for it. This is why free shit will always suck.

>>105630928
>>105631059
>I prefer to use Blender for video editing.
hearing this is such an oddly out of body experience
>oh yeah im using this 3D modeling tool for basic vide oediting
like yeah i know that this ability was added a while ago at this point but man it still feels odd and kinda funny

>>105629088
>ffmpeg is a piece of shit too though.
I pity anyone who regularly uses ffmpeg as a muxer of any sort. So many fucked files. So many files improperly marked as VFR—EXPLICITLY CFR (SEI) X264 MARKED VFR FOR NO FUCKING REASON.
>examine the entire video stream for even a 1 ms drift in DTS
>single frame at the end to adjust for "A/V sync"
>every other sane mixer on Earth would just let the audio or video "hang over"
>ffmpeg marks the entire 3 hours of video as variable frame rate
Fuck ffmpeg.

>>105631908
the only issues ive ever faced with using ffmpeg directly are opus/av1 related (for some reason)
said issues never happening the moment I use handbrake, which confuses me even further since my ffmpeg commands are very simple and straight forward

>>105629320
>Even ancient Vegas Pro 14 or 17 is better
I tried to use the 14 that I got from a Humble Bundle
then I noticed it couldn't import my OBS recordings and never bothered with it again.

>>105633614
stop recording in av1 schizo
stop recording with mkv schizo
stop recording in bloaty codecs like flac or pcm

>>105631908
ffmpeg is what i cite when i try to explain how hard it is to make software that appeals to both retards and competent people. it's full of ridiculous defaults because it's designed to "just werk" for clueless mongs copypasting commands from stack overflow or chatgpt. and you can't really fix these stupid ass choices because of the colossal number of still-working scripts that expect this behavior.
the ffmpeg devs should have just made "install handbrake and fuck off" their policy instead but that ship has sailed

>>105634344
It's a shame.

>>105628835 (OP)
I rarely edit videos so i usually just keep blender on my pc that way i can see stl files and edit videos. And to be honest the video editing functionality is actually not that bad.

>>105630918
I think you mean boyfriend

>>105629647
>Lol you’re not creating anything complex
What's complex to you? Funny edits to Breaking Bad for your Breaking Bad in review channel?

I'm preserving lost media. I'd say that's pretty complex considering I've dumped thousands of dollars into it alone in just the past couple of years. If the software isn't shit then I'm using it.
>Resolve
wew

>>105629518
>dont you need to modify your vcr an the capture card?
You're bypassing the capture card and taking the RF signal straight off the VCR/LD player. You have to do some soldering. But it doesn't harm the actual hardware. I'm constantly opening up these things to clean and replace the heads anyway.

>>105629088
>bloated piece of shit
kill yourself troon

You can get actually competent software like vegas or premiere and use that instead.

>>105635956
>complex
What, you're transcoding videos? That's not complex, idiot. The film I finished producing earlier this month was on the lower end of "complex" using 10 total audio and video tracks, with various modifications and cuts to the hundreds of audio and video files being used. You're not doing even a fraction of that sharting some filters on top of a file and calling it a day.

>>105636040
>all this shilling and shaming for tools that are built on top of the same cpu instructions as everything else
>all this shilling and shaming for tools that are built on top of the same transistors as everything else
>all this shilling and shaming for tools that are built on top of the same earth as everything else.
clifags are dumbest, most small minded motherfuckers on earth

>>105628835 (OP)
Blender

>>105636062
>The film I finished producing
doubt

You're such a pro anon. Spending hours clicking and dragging in a GUI to access the same tools I script in 5 seconds. You've totally convinced me all the people I know working in the industry using the same tools I do are wrong.

>>105636084
>just use commercial software that costs thousands of dollars and terabytes of disc space to pirate instead of the same tools for free
Why are you idiots even attempting to pretend the *synth filters aren't the best thing out there? It takes your proprietary crapware years to even implement them when they're given away for free. Then they always do it worse anyway.

Let's keep pretending GUIs for all these tools don't exist (also for free) or Blender isn't the best option if you're doing 3D effects though. I'm sure you're going to net a bunch of sales from a board where people either pirate everything anyway or are too retarded to run such software in the first place.

>>105628905
Isn't the linux version of davinci resolve gimped, like lacking features compared to windows/macos? Not to mention kinda buggy.

>>105636420
it is native to rhel distros. that is the recommended operation system for a reliable resolve editing bay.

>>105629088
>ffmpeg is a piece of shit too though. I try to avoid it whenever possible and just use the codecs directly. No idea why people can't write a sane CLI anymore or a man page for their bullshit. Everyone expects you to copy/paste random snippets from the internet these days. It sucks.
explain this further

>>105636420
linux version doesn't support aac decoding

>>105637240
I mean checking online discussions, even getting it to run is a challenge.

>>105628835 (OP)
>title is Open Source Video Editing
>thread is filled with Davinci Resolve nonsense

for simple edit / cut clips program avidemux is worth a look

>>105628835 (OP)
Where can I see the full video of those horsies?

>>105629192
>Most people encoding now are fucking retarded
How to stop being retarded? Is there a book for this?

>>105638108
There should definitely be a book for this, with that exact title.

>>105629088
>bloated
>look inside
>actual features

You should just plug a heating element into a wall, that's all you need.

>>105628835 (OP)
Premiere pro mogs

I just want to become a youtube grifter. Making videos with quick cuts and memes and simple animation. Avisynth and vapoursynth looks like a tool to script/automate video processing. Not really relevant for my use case.

>>105638108
2 pass encoding

>>105636405
>noooo nobody on 4chan ever does anything everything is a laaaaaaaarp
Whatever helps you cope with the fact that your roleplaying as a "video editor" via cli is a joke.

I haven't used a video editor in 20 years, do any free open source options these days have decent text-to-speech or is that normally done seperately in other programs

capcut 1.5 + block update + firewall
best chinksoft ever