Why are Rust developers frightened by the real world?

>>105630684 (OP)
memory management has been solved already. if performance is not paramount just use a mark and sweep style garbage collector and if it is then just do manual memory management without arenas and pools. borrow checking is retarded.

>>105630716
>if performance is not paramount
>if

>>105630684 (OP)
Why are nocoder Cniles obsessed with a language they hate? lmao, unironically get a fucking hobby or life for that matter and do something productive.

In the past months i read so much retardation from Rust "developers", it's ridiculous.

No surprise that most Rust code is either transpiled or vibe coded. Those guys have no idea how anything works.

>>105630875
>spam 4chan with a dead language that nobody uses
>WHY DO YOU MAKE FUN OF ME?!?!?! PLEASE LET ME SHILL IN PEACE!!!

>>105630684 (OP)
>frightened
Cells, RefCells, Atomics, Mutexes, etc exist to handle mutable global state and only a brainlet would have hard time using them.

>>105630883
Post examples of that retardation so we can laugh together.

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>>105630902
>spam 4chan with a dead language that nobody uses
Majority of Rust threads on /g/ are made by people who dislike Rust. Just like this one.
No Rust programmer has to spam 4chan with it. Cniles do it for free every day all day.

>>105630938
Stop your shilling and they will stop.

>>105630938
>MUH CNILES
See, this just makes you even more hated.
The best thing Rust "developers" do is to rewrite stuff that got originally written in C. Why do you hate on the people who you copy?
It makes you look disgusting.

There is no such thing as an ideological crowd that wants to convert people to C. That simply doesn't exist.
You are projecting, WHILE you hate on the people who create the stuff that you copy from.

>>105630935
>browsing reddit
>reposting a downvoted, non-technical ragebait about masks
Wew.
I really hoped I would see something actually technical about Rust, but once again I got disappointed. This board really is filled with /pol/ tourists.

>>105630949
There is no need to shill anything. Cniles make Rust threads everyday for free.

>>105630989
>Why do you hate on the people who you copy?
I don't hate on the people who write code.

I only hate dumb cniles who spam Rust threads everyday. /g/ doesn't need all these Rust threads. Yet we have couple of C programmers who can't stop talking about it.

>>105631006
Then why do you rant about some imaginary crowd of "Cniles"?
C is just a language.
There is no monolithic crowd with one common ideology using that language.
It is 54 years old and it never had one common community fighting internet wars against newer languages that appeared (which there are many!).

You are unhinged. This is pure mental illness.

If you want to promote Rust, the best way is to do this by writing code.
And while it is flattering when you copy code from someone to rewrite it in your language (This means that code was good! It means that the code was better than what you could create, otherwise you wouldn't copy!)... you should check into the psych ward if you believe that some crowd of "cniles" is haunting you.

>>105631055
>Then why do you rant about some imaginary crowd of "Cniles"?
Because most of the time, people who make these threads also try to convince people to use C.

Which is kind of funny because Rust is not even a C competitor, it's C++ competitor. Yet it really attacks plenty of C programmers who can't stop making threads about Rust. It's funny, but it does decrease the quality of the board in general.

>If you want to promote Rust, the best way is to do this by writing code.
I don't care about promoting Rust. I use Rust when I see it fit, and I use different languages in different cases. And I post my stuff on /dpt/.
I do care about board quality though. Programming languages are not tribes. No need to fight over them, and no need to spam catalog with threads about things you don't like. If you also don't want to see so many Rust threads on /g/, then stop making Rust threads, because majority of them are made by people who don't like it.

>>105631096
>attacks
Attracts*

>>105631096
>people who make these threads also try to convince people to use C.
I never saw this.
Neither is this necessary, because everything is written in C and it is one of the most popular languages out there.
There is no need to shill it.

But you can not deny that everything that you accuse this imaginary "cnile" crowed of, is done by Rustlets.

"Rust is ideologically driven and they try to convert others."
Would you agree with that statement?

>>105631096
>Rust is not even a C competitor, it's C++ competitor
I don't see that.
Rust isn't OOP and it is a language that makes prototyping hard - in the sense of actually prototyping, quickly building a proof-of-concept.
Neither is memory safety even thaaat important where you use C++.
Oh noooo, my hobby GUI application segfaults when all stars align and a sunstorm flips some bits. Like who cares? This is not an aircraft ECU here.
And GUI applications outsourced memory safety.
Like it or not, but GTK and Qt written applications use JavaScript to do your GUI actions.

I see Rust in stuff that is cryptographic relevant. Like replacing OpenSSL or E2EE libraries.
That is where i personally would consider it. But i would limit in on the minimum.

>>105630991
That's not Reddit, it's lobste.rs

>>105630716
>if it is then just do manual memory management without arenas and pools.
retard

>>105630716
Arenas and pools are more performant, not less. Especially when you can drop a whole bunch of memory and then reuse it again somewhere else just by bumping some pointers. It's faster than a simple free list approach, but it tends to use more memory.

>>105631117
>I never saw this.
>>105629891
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>>105613132
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>>105613593
That's just from last 2 days. I can just keep going with this, but it should be enough. (also I love how clearly you can see the lacking intelligence of the poster(s))

>There is no need to shill it.
There is no need to shill anything on /g/. All shilling and language war threads should be removed by jannies. Yet, we got threads made by people angry about Rust every single day. Can't be helped.

>But you can not deny that everything that you accuse this imaginary "cnile" crowed of, is done by Rustlets.
I can. I do not see any reason why would all these quoted posts be made by a Rust programmer. It's pretty clear they are made by some really angry C developer.

>"Rust is ideologically driven and they try to convert others."
>Would you agree with that statement?
After years of lurking and posting, I have to disagree with this statement. Being ideologically driven is something I have seen much more frequently in these angry, anti-rust posts. I very rarely see anyone posting about Rust in similar manner. Vast majority of posts that are positive about Rust, are made by people who actually talk about technical aspects and are seemingly knowledgeable. On the other hand, there is so many people who hate Rust due to non-technical reasons, often projecting various sexual fetishes or political ideologies onto specific programming techniques, it really makes you think if these are real human beings. I wouldn't call them engineers for sure.

>>105631173
>Rust isn't OOP
neither is modern c++. the "object orientation" facilities of c++ are covered in cobwebs.
anyways it's irrelevant. rust and sepples are both maximalist takes on systems programming. c is not. you're getting too caught up in surface-level observations of both.
>in the sense of actually prototyping, quickly building a proof-of-concept.
sepples is terrible for rapid prototyping.
>Neither is memory safety even thaaat important where you use c++
that's not at all tied to the language, it's tied to the domain.
i think memory safety is pretty fucking important for microsoft's nt kernel, for the f35, etc.
on top of that, it's just weird to bring it up because it's the one thing rust uses to differentiate itself. it's what they went all in on after the 2011 paradigm shift, but you know, there's the entire rest of the language.
yes you can argue there are still reasons to use rust, but then you're still left with something that lifts 95% of its syntax from sepples which is really bad at expressing those ideas. that's why you have to wrap polymorphic types in <>, use :: for namespaces, ownership semantics, etc.

honestly i'd be more inclined to use rust if they kept the ML heritage. i DON'T want a fucking maximalist pseudo-sepples. give me SML with pointers, explicit allocation, no gc, etc. if it has an affine type system on top of that, great. if not, i don't care.

i don't want to use this ugly piece of shit maximalism. i've got 500k lines in c++ and it sucks. it fucking sucks. not because of a lack of memory safety or whatever, but because this kind of grammatical schizophrenia and overburdened featureset makes using the language a royal pain in the fucking ass. not just to write, but also to read. c is downright pleasant compared::to::namespace::soup.unrwrap_or(32.transmute()).exit<kill::myself>()::{?} and c's only good trait is how easy it is to write a basic compiler for it.

>>105631414
>give me SML with pointers, explicit allocation, no gc, etc
You are thinking of Hare

>>105630935
>literally a post of a weirdo complaining that people don't agree with them
You are below level 2

>>105631173
>Rust isn't OOP
C++ has OOP simply because OOP was a hot topic back then and it tried to be multiparadigm. I think many people have already realize that OOP in this form can be problematic and that's why Rust opted out to simpler but more expressive trait based polymorphism. You can still archive everything you would in C++, you just have to use somewhat different techniques.
>it is a language that makes prototyping hard - in the sense of actually prototyping, quickly building a proof-of-concept.
Neither is C++. That's why Python is so popular for prototyping and scientific work.
>Neither is memory safety even thaaat important where you use C++.
A lot of modern C++ is focused on safety.
>I see Rust in stuff that is cryptographic relevant. Like replacing OpenSSL or E2EE libraries.
Yup, Rust is excellent for making a specialized, freestanding libraries like this. One of best use cases imo, alongside embedded.

>>105630684 (OP)
>Why are Rust developers frightened by the real world?
They’re just like me fr fr

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why do I have to dereference for it existing as the conditional, but don't have to dereference to iterate. pointer syntax is half assed af I'm going to rust.

All the working code has already been done. Rust is just "make work" for those being replaced by AI.

In 50 years we will still be using C.

>>105631507
If you rewrite this in Rust as is, you will also have to dereference pointer to check for null terminator and not to advance it.
Learn how pointers work before you delve into Rust. That knowledge will come in handy.

>>105631444
>no higher kinded types
>no signatures/traits
>no polymorphism at all
>no multithreading
>same babyducking of sepples syntax as rust
this is removing even more of the ML heritage, it fixes absolutely nothing. it's simplifying it, but doing it in such a retarded way that it's actively making the language worse.

let me tell you how you do it. you take SML. you replace the generative functors with ocaml's applicative functors (implementation detail, mostly). you add in a built-in polymorphic type for pointers to replace Ref. you add functions analogous to malloc/free. add an operator for getting the address of a variable. define arithmetic operators over pointers just like how they're defined over ints and floats. you change the behavior of how variables are captured in closures so that they're captured by value. you standardize mlton's overload directive and copy their whole-program optimization and FFI.
you want memory safety? replace the type system with an affine one and add a duplication operator. that's it. that's all you do. you don't do a damn thing other than this. don't give me ownership semantics, don't give me namespaces, don't get rid of the actually useful type system, don't fuck with the module system, don't give me two kinds of pointers.

don't serve me flank steak and tell me it's tenderloin. i know the fucking difference and i'm gonna be pissed when i bite into a shitty cut of meat.

>>105631557
>words words words
Simple languages are shit and MLs are obsolete. SML is a joke, OCaml doesn't have type classes.
Haskell won and Rust is more like Haskell and C++ for a reason.

>>105631539
I don't need to check for terminator or strip the newline for what I'm doing. You literally have no idea what I'm doing, you're looking at a bare pointer iteration. How pointers work is a simpler concept than elementary math.

Irrelevant to the fact that pointer syntax in C is unreadable slop.
Moving to rust.. I just am ahahah

>>105631613
I don't give a fuck what you are doing. I am merely calling out your ignorance and advice you to study the fundamentals. If you are struggling with C, you are going to struggle 10x more with Rust.

>>105630875
>Cnile
>nocoder
cognitive dissonance as strong as his need to have big brother breathing down his neck
is this why they chose rust? because it's the ultimate big tech lang? are they all just authoritarian larping as some brave and stunning resistance?

>>105631600
>Simple languages are shit
tell me you're a shitcoder without telling me you're a shitcoder
>MLs are obsolete
crazy how they still manage to be the bleeding edge of programming languages despite being obsolete
>OCaml doesn't have type classes
It doesn't need them, nor does ML. The module system does the same shit, in a more flexible and better abstracted way.
The one thing Haskell's type classes offer are recursion over higher kinded types.
That's great and all for maybe the once in a lifetime problem where that's actually useful, but I'd rather have
>behavior analogous to namespaces
Haskell's type classes don't offer that, oops.
>the ability to nest every single language construct
oh i'm sure ghc added some terrible extension to half-ass support that though
>anonymous signatures
>fine grained control over type information propagation through translucent signatures
and adding on to that
>the ability to seal a signture
and of course explicit overloading rather than the implicit footgun retardation that is haskell's overload resolution.
>Rust is more like Haskell and C++ for a reason
Rust borrows nothing from Haskell. Pretty much all of it's featureset is pulled from ocaml (which is a shit maximalist language too) with the exception that they royally fucked the module system.
>Haskell won
damn that's crazy. still not gonna use your arch-academic language though bro.
>b-but sml is only used in academia!!!
i'm not an academic and i use it ;)
and i use it over haskell because it doesn't bog me down in retarded academic bullshit

haskell is cool and all and we have a lot to thank for it's existence, but calm down lil bro. you got one sv job where somebody above you decided to use haskell. you don't have to center your identity around it.

>>105631658
the line you are pointing out as ignorance is used, exactly character for character, in inumerable instances of production C code.

>>105631764
>calling out your ignorance
>the line you are pointing out
Dumb cnile

specifically /g/ cniles are their own worst enemy when it comes to this "war". i don't even use C/C++ or Rust. it's just funny that rust threads are somehow always the same.

>>105631781
>Cnile advocating for the horrid state of C pointer syntax
>calling other people Cniles

>>105631725
You can try lean4 as a modern ml style languge
yeah it has very little libraries, but a solid std already present

it has namespaces, nice syntax and many other things

>>105630902
>Less than fucking SQL
holy fucking shit lmao

>>105631877
>shilling
words don't even mean anything anymore. jesus christ.

Rust is for trannies, i am not a tranny, so i don't use Rust
Simple as

>>105631870
>advocating for the horrid state of C pointer syntax
Dumb cnile

>>105631896
use Odin instead

>>105631907
>shitty nu tranny lang
No.

>>105631915
NTA, Odin is probably older than you, you poser.

>ZOMG, do cniles really ROFLMAO
>ZOMG, do rustroons really ROFLMAO
>>105631891
You retards need to fuck off with the constant spam

>>105631935
>You retards need to fuck off with the constant spam
i need the participation points.

>>105631915
nope, it is a really nice language to use
it just has no killer features like zig's breaking changes, or rust's automatic gender transition
it is a simple pragmatic language

>>105631955
>tries to criticize Rust
>can only talk about personal sexual fetishes
Like pottery.

>>105631930
>implying
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>105631955
>it just has no killer features like zig's breaking changes
I knew I made the right call avoiding Zig.

>>105631986
>You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>105631875
Will check it out anon, seems cool. Always like trying new MLs, I had a lot of fun with Idris.

>>105631994
>>You have no idea what you're talking about.
And like Rust, it has only started picking up steam recently.

>>105631394
You're a disingenuous shill and it shows. No one spoke of Rust until the Rust community tried to insert themselves into every space C/C+ claiming their language is better in every way and that you're doing customers a disservice by continuing to use C/C++. If Rust was in the forefront by it's own merits like Go or Python no one would give a fuck, but it's not, it is the most shilled language (paid for by USAID and big corpo) and people like you are paid to ram it down our throats. For 10 years no one gave a fuck about Rust but over Covid it suddenly started being shilled en mass in every space you talk about programming. Totally natural.

You're not fooling anyone. You can't help but suggest through your doublespeak that Rust devs are 'knowledgeable and know their shit' while C/C++ users are insane relics that are somehow holding programming down. You are a cunt and you placed yourselves in the corsairs. In this situation you are getting the hate you deserve.

>>105631907
Odin struck me as the only new language besides Rust that's worth taking seriously. It's like someone finally fucking fixed the actual problems with Pascal.
How's the debugging experience with lldb + vs code?
What's the actual cost of the RTTI stuff, and what do I lose by disabling it? I assume the serdes library relies on it? Do I have compile-time reflection I can use, or is all the reflection done at runtime through the RTTI?

If I had to leverage one surface level criticism of it: It really could have benefitted by copying the SML/OCaML module system instead of what he went with. Signatures and functors would be really nice to have. Yes it makes the language a bit more complicated, yes it probably fucks up his compilation model. But the things he doesn't want to add like namespaces, metaprogramming, etc. are completely solved with something like this.

I'm just really scraping the bottom of the barrel for criticisms though. I guess the context system isn't that intuitive? Like it doesn't look like I can partition the temp allocator or have multiple pools without writing my own. Also there's the runtime object? Or something? I don't know, just a small beginner learning issue. It's a really attractive choice.

>>105632096
>No one spoke of Rust until the Rust community tried to insert themselves into every space C/C+ claiming their language is better in every way
Truly, I wonder why.

>>105632129
Probably the same reason why USaid was paying the rust foundation millions each year.

>>105630684 (OP)
>Why are Rust developers frightened by the real world?
Because a cosmic ray hit them in their fetus head and bit flipped their gender

>>105630902
Someone has spent time and money inventing a fucking search engine hit ranking for programming languages?

>>105630716
It's amusing to see fans of GC and JITs still spouting nonsense when pretty much everyone competent has admitted that both ideas have pretty much failed and modern GC and JITs will never result in decent performance. Both the CLR and v8 have been actively been removing JIT features because they're almost universally not worth the cost they incur in terms of monitoring and runtime analysis.

>>105632096
>You're a disingenuous shill and it shows.
You literally claimed that you "never saw" "people who make these threads also try to convince people to use C"
I pointed out like a dozen of posts like that made in last 2 days.
Either you are disingenuous here, or some newfag who just joined /g/.(unlikely)

>No one spoke of Rust until the Rust community tried to insert themselves into every space C/C+ claiming their language is better in every way and that you're doing customers a disservice by continuing to use C/C++.
Yet, majority of Rust threads are made by people who dislike Rust. If you do not want to see more Rust threads on /g/ then stop making Rust threads on /g/. It really is that simple.

>If Rust was in the forefront by it's own merits
It is. What Rust did shook the C++ community what you can see from many Rust motivated proposals to C++. It also inspired Ada to add certain kind of lifetimes to handle dynamic memory.

>it is the most shilled language
>people like you are paid to ram it down our throats
No one has to shill Rust. C programmers make Rust threads every single day and they do it for free.

>You're not fooling anyone.
I do not need to fool anyone. Anyone can notice who makes all these Rust threads on /g/.

>You can't help but suggest through your doublespeak that Rust devs are 'knowledgeable and know their shit'
There is nothing doublespeak about it. It is true that if you look into Rust threads, Rust programmers, in general, are quite knowledgeable about what they are talking about.

>while C/C++ users are insane relics that are somehow holding programming down
That's not what I said at all. All I said is that the language wars threads like this one are made by nocoders and midwits. I imagine that a knowledgeable C/C++ programmer would not waste time making Rust threads on /g/ 24/7.

>You are a cunt
Your use of ad hominem undermines your entire argument.
It is a nice example of the quality of posts from people who dislike Rust.

>>105632220
>Double speak
>Blames their own shilling on others
Seems like a pretty good definition of a cunt to me. It's not ad hominem if it's true.

>>105632142
>USaid was paying the rust foundation millions each year
Do you know that rust foundation finances are public and there is no USaid to be seen there?
https://rustfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Annual-Report-2024.pdf

Why do you come to /g/ to tell such obvious lies?

This is an another example of kind of posts made by people who dislike Rust. Talk about being disingenuous lmao

>>105632253
>own shilling
This thread, just like many others, is made by people who dislike Rust. I am not part of them.

>>105630716
>if you're a retard just half-ass everything and make the world's software bloat situation worse
India should never have been allowed on the internet.

>>105632004
i wanted to try out Idris but i dont like Haskell like function declarations
lean's one are more clear to me
and the Prelude library the one that has most difinitions is super easy to read

>>105632273
>spec expenses are only $97k
>tranny mods and jannies get $1.29 mil

>>105631970
they are no longer personal than people like you, xir build their entire person around it and inject it everywhere
i dont like r*st because of abusmal syntax forged in the depths of niggerhell, and compilation speed that takes years
even lean4 compiles faster than r*st

>>105632761
He is the first one to talk about sexual transition in this reply chain. It is safe to assume it is just his personal fetish.

>>105632838
well then, the points still stand, syntax is bad and compilation speed is really bad
rust would benifit from a thing like infoview imho, for testing and prototyping

>>105630684 (OP)
Because they are all transmutants that think men are women and women are men.

>>105633189
He said nothing about syntax or compilation speed. He instead started to talk about sexual degeneracy unprompted and that's why I made fun of him.

>>105630902
>Visual Basic above JavaScript
>Assembly language in the top 10
>Go only slightly ahead of Prolog, and btfo by Fortran
I think you may actually be mentally retarded.

>>105633221
i think that was a joke, because it is a fact that rust attracts a lot of troons

>>105633352
programming in general attracts troons because most troons have the 'tism. your perception that rust is any worse is warped heavily by schizos posting random github profiles
if you want to hate rust there are far better reasons to do so

>>105633369
i already said why i dont like it

>>105633352
That joke only makes you look like a tech illiterate who can only judge technology based on politics or sexuality. You can do better than this.

>>105631907
Guy who made it strikes me as a colossal fag. Like jon blow but half the skill and double the ego

>>105633438
he is okay, he has some questionable ideas, but language itself is good

>>105633438
>Like jon blow but half the skill
He actually released his language doe.

>>105633438
>have opinion
>the redditors freak out

>>105633533
He calls himself ginger bill for fucks sake Im not using his language
I mean good fucking grief is he a language developer or a BDSM munch host for gays only

>>105633559
Because he's ginger and his name is William?
You sound like a faggot that just wants a reason to cry. He's fine.

Who cares? Why are you asking here? Go ask the rust developers directly.

>>105633576
>inb4
but he is BALDING!

>>105633576
If he has a poof name and a poof way of talking I'm not using the software
If he has a curry name and a curry way of talking I'm also not using the software
Following these two simple heuristics avoids an astounding quantity of problems, saves massive money, etc

>>105633599
>More sperging because I'm a bitch that needs a reason to bitch
I'll just assume you're X language shill where X is not Odin

>>105633593
You don't understand. He has to make multiple Rust threads everyday to stop people from spamming about Rust.

>>105630989
>The best thing Rust "developers" do is to rewrite stuff that got originally written in C. Why do you hate on the people who you copy?
They're not rewriting anything, they're writing new programs that do the same thing as older programs (in an abstract sense). Two text editors written in different languages aren't necessarily rewrites. Would you say Notepad is a "rewrite" of Emacs? But C programmers did do exact rewrites of programs written in Fortran, Algol, Pascal, and other languages. They made translator compilers (aka transpilers) that took Fortran 77 and other languages and created C source code.

>It makes you look disgusting.
Except C and C programmers get a free pass from you for doing the same thing.

>There is no such thing as an ideological crowd that wants to convert people to C. That simply doesn't exist.
Eric S. Raymond, Dennis Ritchie, Brian Kernighan, Ken Thompson, and Uriel don't exist now? Suckless and K&R shills don't exist now? "Why Pascal Is Not My Favorite Programming Language" doesn't exist now?

>You are projecting, WHILE you hate on the people who create the stuff that you copy from.
Actually you're describing C people, but with C people it's even worse because they claim they invented all those things. They hate on languages like Fortran, Algol, and PL/I while stealing from them and taking credit for inventing it, and not just stealing, but making it worse in the process (aka Worse is Better). And it's not just a couple things, there literally would be no C at all without those languages. There are people who actually believe C is the first programming language because of C shills. Even you grossly inflate the importance of C, which is why you worship it so much.

>>105631055
>It is 54 years old and it never had one common community fighting internet wars against newer languages that appeared (which there are many!).
Actually they did, and they fought Internet wars against older languages too. You just didn't read about it. What they (and (You)) are saying about Rust follows the same playbook they used against Ada, Pascal, Fortran, Algol, Lisp, and other languages in the past. They even did the same gaslighting about "C shills are not considered shills" that they (and (You)) are doing right now.

>And while it is flattering when you copy code from someone to rewrite it in your language (This means that code was good! It means that the code was better than what you could create, otherwise you wouldn't copy!)... you should check into the psych ward if you believe that some crowd of "cniles" is haunting you.
They're not copying code. A URL parser (for example) that follows the standards is going to resemble others, but that's because they're based on the same specification, not copying someone else's code. Most Rust is written in more of a functional style with method chaining and lambdas. It's not going to be a copy of C which uses pointer arithmetic everywhere and would all be unsafe.

>>105631117
>Neither is this necessary, because everything is written in C and it is one of the most popular languages out there.
>There is no need to shill it.
How do you think it got that way? Because of C shills. Just because they "won" doesn't mean it didn't happen.

>But you can not deny that everything that you accuse this imaginary "cnile" crowed of, is done by Rustlets.
Not him, but not at all. C programmers treat other people like infidels who need to die (and that's the whole point of the tranny suicide memes you shills make about Rust). Rust programmers treat other people like smart people who can learn something from Rust.

>>105630902
>Object Pascal above Rust

>>105632193
yes its a good way to measure how useless r*st is in the real world nice try shillzilla

>>105634971
>>105635118
trvth nvke of the month

>>105630684 (OP)
Because it’s scary
There are grizzly bears out there

>>105630716
everyjeet thinks "performance is not paramount", and then their program regularly hitches for 100ms - 1000ms and drives the user mad