WD?
Seagate?
Toshiba?
CMR? SMR? HAMR?
Used?

Does anyone still buy them

>>105642083 (OP)
Toshiba CMR is the right answer.

Seagate is the HP/MSI/Acer/Asus of HDDs
WD is terrible for external storage situations but you could use their WD Reds

Why can't we make a hdd where every head can read at the same time and write the data before hand specificaly for that so we can read faster ?
10 platter x2 sides each = 20 times faster

Toshiba seems to be the only one making drives that isn't shingled 5200 RPM bullshit.

>>105642083 (OP)
Have a 23 year old WD and Hitachi that still work to this day. However, all my seagate drives except one that's barely used in an xbox 360 are all dead.

>>105643131
The 24/20/16TB barracuda is cmr, and 7200rpm.

>>105642083 (OP)
Deprecated technology

>>105643190
I forgot about the warranty. Toshiba is the only one making drives that isn't shingled 5200 RPM bullshit with a pathetically short warranty.

>going to 4chan for advise
Anon, I...

>>105643262
Eh, in my experience if the drive doesn't fail in 2 years it usually lasts a long time. Besides if I'm buying several a year the price savings adds up. The other option is going refurbished but I'm more wary of that.

Get CMR and choose your redundancy well in your storage system and you can buy whatever. Having a decently long warranty with a high enough data read/written limit for your use case is what you should be looking for.

I bought some cheap Seagate 8 TB drives a while back and so far they have worked flawlessly. Looking at Backblaze, the difference between different manufacturers isn't that large unless you get a bad batch.

>>105642083 (OP)
I'mma be honest with to bro, I set up 8 Seagate 2.5in 8tb SMR drives shucked in overlayFS for my media server and so far after 5 years, it's not given me ANY issues. The drives have an small CMR cache they use to reshingle, and I think the way OverlayFS is writing my media files to the pool means that writes are spread out across the drives effectively pooling the caches as well so that reshingling is avoided.

I think the actual biggest reliability factor I learned though is to control when the drives spin up. First few days I ran it, my system (Stable Debian) was spinning up the drives randomly. After a few tweaks the drives now spin up only when I'm actively reading or writing to them, and when they spin up they stay up for 1 hour to avoid start-stop wear on the heads.

My ramble here isn't directly related to your question, but the point is that with proper configs and HDD-health friendly use cases, even the shittiest hardware setup can be used.

>>105643195
Capacity is never deprecated.

>>105642123
My choice. The choice of a Samurai. Bleeding edge.

>Kingston 2TB 2.5" SSD
>$87
>WD Blue 2TB 2.5" HDD
>$75
for just 12 more USD i can get a hard drive with faster read/write speeds AND a longer average lifespan. what's the catch?

>>105645888
One's from Jamaica and tha other aint

>>105645888
there's not much reason to buy a hdd under 8tb

>>105643262

>>105645982
so what you're saying is there's no reason to buy a 2.5" HDD

>>105644751
>2.5in 8tb
where did you even find those

>>105642534
>Why can't we make a hdd where every head can read at the same time
They already do, the platters are effectively striped. You severely underestimate the challenge of increasing the speed of magnetic recording.

>>105642083 (OP)
I have a WD that somehow accrued almost 3000 uncorrectable sectors over just a few months but absolutely ZERO reallocated sectors.
Weird ass drive.

Don't be a poor/cheap nigger.
WD Ultrastar.
SeaGayte is fucking trash.

Am I the only one who noticed WD deployed lots of pajeet shills for quite some time?
Every thread talking about storage has them.

Toshiba doesn't even physically produce hard disks anymore. It's just the name

>>105650086
probably why they're decent now

>>105650086
then who was hdd

>>105650086
then who is making them

>>105643262
Having a 100 year warranty won't get your data back.
Seagate is just better if you actually backup your shit.

>>105645516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKMw2it8dQY

>>105642083 (OP)
buy used drives and use recuva on them. post interesting stuff to 4chan.

>>105647774
The firmware on WD's old design "Caviar" drives delays reallocation for as long as possible. I have a WD Green that took 9 years to get its first reallocation, in spite of systemic pending sectors throughout that time. I kept using it to see how long it would last, it was unreliable but usable in RAID1 with checksumming/filesystems (Linux mdraid over dmintegrity, or btrfs). Early this year it finally gave up after 15 years, started mass reallocations and got so bad I had to retire it.

I have long held the belief they did this deliberately because pending sectors have historically never triggered user-visible warnings but reallocations sometimes do. That would allow a significant amount of their drives to begin failure within warranty without the user noticing until past the warranty period.

Their more recent drives don't seem to do it and reallocate more liberally like Seagate's, but then again they were designed by Hitachi Global Storage Technologies (HGST), not (((Western))) Digital.

Posting this here since the other thread just died.

>>105647038
Refreshing the magnetic recording only helps while there is something to refresh. Pending sectors usually occur due to erosion of the recording media lowering SNR. You can't fix that, and driving the heads over the spot just accelerates wear.

>>105648640
Overwriting a pending sector lets the drive know the contents of the sector are no longer important and thus it can discard them rather then continue to try to correct. Thus, the pending state is cleared. But because the recording media itself is worn down, it will happen again, and it will get worse over time.

>>105648676
Defragmentation puts significant stress on modern mechanical drives. Old drives were designed with heavy seeking and random I/O in mind since they used to back operating systems and applications, but modern drives are designed for large file/media storage/archival purposes. This is evidenced but how HDDs used to have seek latencies around 7 or 8ms but have since shot back above 10, 11, 12+ms. The components are "cheaper" quality-wise.

>>105642083 (OP)
Toshiba CMR = ED Enterprise > Seagate Enterprise >>> Everything else.

>>105645516
I bought a 22TB one of these a while back for my NAS. It's been fine and is very quiet. I still have nightmares about the Ultrastar I used to own that you could hear anywhere in the house.

>>105652645
What is ED enterprise?

>>105642123
I recently bought a 16 TB red pro that was DOA and had to be RMAed.

>>105651118
recuva is shit

>>105650086
What do you get out of making shit up? Toshiba manufactures its drives in the Philipines and China.

>>105642083 (OP)
1tb 7200rpm's manufactured before 2010

>>105652807
He means WD

>>105652645
>Toshiba
>WD
>Seagate
>>>> Everything else.
And where is this "Everything else"???

>>105652959
Oh shit Toshiba took over HGST's HDD's? I though WD had that they release Ultrastars

>>105642083 (OP)
any 3+ yo 2nd hand datacenter drive.
ideally WD or Toshiba.

But any drive can fail within the first year, I'll leave that lottery to datacenters and consumers.

>>105652959
This needs updating, WD has split off Sandisk.

>>105652989
>Oh shit Toshiba took over HGST's HDD's?
No, WD did. But Toshiba kept access to the IP from Hitachi. Toshiba's drives are all Hitachi designs.

>>105653250
>Toshiba's drives are all Hitachi designs.
Modern Toshibas look nothing like HGST drives ever did.
About the only thing Toshibas share with HGST is they are laser welded with aluminum platters.
The design itself is completely different in
terms of casing, PCB, etc

WD is who inherented HGST designs, infact I don't think WD ever properly sold a helium drive until they acquired HGST.
WD even went back and made HGST's pre-helium 6TB platform HDDs into 8-10TB HDDs with denser platters.

>>105653331
I said Hitachi rather than HGST intentionally. Toshiba's drives are based on older designs. Pic related, an example of how they've evolved.

Will hijack the thread since it's about the subject but I just bought a new HDD since I needed some extra storage.
Any tests I should run besides checking with CrystalDiskInfo?

>>105655464
Ideally you should run full surface read and write tests and seek tests. If there's any indication of errors or unexpected low performance, run more tests to make sure and then return as DOA.

>>105655537
>full surface read and write tests
How do?

>>105652959
And people wonder why hard drive sizes haven't increased for decades.

>>105655810
sizes have increased
they just stopped dropping the prices
I bought a 12TB HDD cheaper than what the shit costs today 5 years ago.

wait shit, that's a pretty decent deal for the 14TB. $10 coupon too?
brb

>>105642083 (OP)
wd is a scummy company, avoid at all cost as there is no guarantee what you bought is what you wanted
they also recently put a custom smart error on nas ssd when they have more power on time than the warranty duratiopn, it's absolute scum behavior, a perfectly fine drive should NEVER EVER reports an error.
also only buy CMR drives, usually only nas and enterprise ssd as they cost a bit more, from experience seagate or toshiba cmr drives are fine (wd red pro also are but fuck them as I previously said)

>>105642083 (OP)
Seagate Exos factory recertified. These usually are drives from a batch which a hyperscaler didn't accept, sometimes because of slight shipping damage to a few of the drives in the batch. Seagate takes the whole shipment back and sells the good drives after testing them again.

>>105653331
>I don't think WD ever properly sold a helium drive until they acquired HGST.
WD had no modern drives or helium, that's why they bought HGST.

>>105656090
seagate have so many fake drives floating around I don't what to believe from them

>>105648034
these are a tad thicker and don't fit an all hard drive cages. they also need a special power adapter so be aware of that. they work fine for personal use but they are designed for data bays.

>>105656124
>need a special power adapter so be aware of that.
Some kapton tape on the first 3 pins takes care of that, well only pin 3 needs to be covered really. Doing it myself no need for the molex to sata firestarter

>>105655464
Badblocks

>>105652375
Well this drive is a WD purple from 2020, it's more of an HGST drive than a WD so I wonder if that still applies.

>>105656112
All manufactures have fake drives, with seagate you can at least identify if it's fake or not
Also drives marked as recertified and recent drives are usually not fake, the fakes are older drives from china which were used for chia farming

>>105656124
>>105656163
When did this start being a thing? Mine doesn't need any special sauce to use SATA power

>>105642123
My Toshiba HHDs all died after a decade.

They all suck.

I used to vouch for WD but in the past 5 years I've had to RMA 3 of their (2 reds, 1 blue) drives. I have a single Seagate that froze when copying, I RMD'd and the new unit had the same problem.

I guess Toshiba could be decent but I haven't tried it. I can't wait for SSDs to finally kill these bulky noise power hungry pieces of shit.

>>105656654
It's an old thing but because so many buy old DC drives now it became a recent thing

>>105656838
Ah, I always buy new so that's probably why I haven't encountered it

>>105656718
SSDs are just as bad.
The Samsung/SK Hynix cartel are colluding to suppress the production of NAND and drive the price of flash storage up, and they and the rest of are all guilty of cherry-picking the highest-performance drives to be sent out near launch to reviewers/early-adopters and then cheaping out by either using worse storage controllers or lower-quality NAND (if not outright substituting TLC for QLC and saying it's the same SKU). Also they advertise these huge improvements in read/write speed with every PCIe generation but the 4K random IOPS- which is actually representative of most real-world workloads, has I think barely doubled over SATA (notable exception being Intel Optane drives). And have you ever looked at how much power enterprise or Gen 5 consumer SSDs chew? Because it can be like 10w while idle, and they cook themselves to death if not adequately cooled. Meanwhile, if you don't power them on for a couple months or longer SSDs can also silently corrupt themselves as the electrons leak.

tl;dr - Everything and everyone sucks

>>105657465
Chill out uncle Ted.

>>105656709
>after a decade
I'll be happy if any of mine last a decade

>>105643290
I remember this one guy that made several threads on /g/ right before the site got hacked a few months ago claiming that WD was secretly selling SMR drives while explicitly claiming they were CMR.
He had zero evidence except some screencaps he grabbed from some weird russian forum

>>105645888
>Kingston 2TB 2.5" SSD
The funny thing is QLC is slower than some HDDs out there

>>105657492
I remember him too, still waiting for the incoming scandal I'm sure it won't be long

>>105642123
>HP/MSI/Acer/Asus
Then which laptop brands are not shit?