Fuck these scammers

I hope they fail.

>$1800 for a shitter ryzen laptop

Who is buying these?

>>105647414
gamergate was actually the cause of the competency crisis, not 2008
2008 and 2001 were setting up what was to come but yids could have never predicted gamergate and then it made them seethe so hard they turned society upside down and brown

>>105647434
is this some bot that someone created using leto's tools lol?

>>105647378 (OP)
I don't know, just to make it usable, I had the price at around $4K. Definitely some bullshit pricing going on.

>>105647449
shut the fuck up jay

These and the parts sell really well on my online store

Linus tech tips audience members, tech subreddit posters, and people who think sustainability in their laptop means buying a new laptop

We all saw this on day one, don’t act surprised
Every normal laptop is equally as serviceable as this one, it’s just the parts for this are easier to google.

i was looking for a laptop a few months ago the entire market is awful all brands offer faulty hardware, bad keyboard, bad trackpads, shitty batteries, overheating issues, extremely low quality screens... even if you want to spend >$2k theres nothing to spend it
macbooks have the best cpus, screens and speakers but the rest is eww and you have to run arm gayos
laptops have always been bad compared to desktops but never this bad
also all brands raised prices around 30% this year compared to last year for no reason

laptops are just an objectively shit product, either get a tablet or use a desktop

>>105647490
>sustainability in their laptop means buying a new laptop
at least it's just a laptop of ewaste
for each redditor buying a piece of plastic and lithium, there's hordes of boomers buying a 2 ton block of plastic with a ton of poisonous liquid egyptian batteries in it

>>105647550
>look, X is worse than Y, so that justifies Y
Two things can be bad
Buy used cars, buy used laptops. Ideally buy neither, ride a bike and keep a modest desktop at home to keep the computer where it belongs.

>>105647572
I have a linux AMD/AMD I am the opposite of a wasteful nigger ewaste boomer

>>105647490
>Every normal laptop is equally as serviceable as this one
Not for upgrades. After a certain point you're fucked in performance. Yes, even on Loonix.

Besides, the Framework only needs like a Torx 5 and a spudger to remove the magnet keyboard/trackpad. Whereas you need a Philp's Head 5, no wait a star 00, ohhhhh a Torx 4 for non-Frameworks and hope that shit isn't glued together/welded RAM sticks and the like.

Looking at old WinXP era laptops that had upgrade bays for hard-drive(s), RAM (literally could reach it without a ton of bullshit) and the only pain in the ass being the screen (having to take the entire fucking things off to reach): I get why Framework is a thing.

It's tremendously less hassle to get to what you need to upgrade/replace over traditional laptops.

Don't even get me started on MacBooks (or whatever Apple is calling them now) and having to slice your finger to open the fucking hinges OHHHH and they have magnets in them for the display, good luck putting that shit back together!

Am I getting a good deal?

>>105647601
>windows
no

>>105647592
>>>/r/eddit
go back

>>105647645
>iToddler got btfo'd
>resorts to iTantrums
keeeeeeek

>>105647601
>framework
no

>>105647378 (OP)
Somehow I know it's a Jeet company.

>>105647601
You can get a desktop with RTX 5080 with that budget
Also that framework desktop has soldered ram.

>>105647592
>Not for upgrades.
said who? ive upgraded the mobo of my moms acer aspire coz they are all the same and aliexpress exists also upgraded its screen
>After a certain point you're fucked in performance. Yes, even on Loonix.
that point is 10+ years?
>It's tremendously less hassle to get to what you need to upgrade/replace over traditional laptops.
literally completely marginal improvements that bloat up the cost astronomically all laptops ive and my relatives used are just
>unscrew
>replace
including one of these premium ass gaming laptops with fancy features
the only thing framework has is slight easier disassembly

t.8year old acer aspire 3 user

>>105647378 (OP)
>Who is buying these?
people like that they exist but no one actually wants one
though the swarms of tech youtubers shilling them due to repairability and upgradeability and muh e-waste pisses me off a bit, there's always a dig at apple as well when i'm pretty confident a new macbook air would outlast this thing twofold even with upgradeability in mind. they only promise 4 years of compatible parts

"Upgrading" and "future proofing" a computer has always been a bullshit concept. Hardware used to move too fast to make this viable because your motherboard would become obsolete long before you'd replace major components. CPU and GPU upgrades weren't worth it assuming you already had dedicated GPU and bought your own processor. If something came along more powerful the slot/socket would already be too old to take advantage of it. At most you'd just drop in more RAM later because it's a cheap upgrade worth the price of entry. I kind of understand people updating GPUs now that the slots are stable but even now it's a waste of money unless you really needed more vRAM.

This is all assuming you didn't get pre-built. People that buy those then dump a ton into them are stupid and would have been better off just doing custom from the state.

At any rate this is dumb now in the sense that you're never going to take advantage of these modules or whatever they fuck they're calling them. Since CPUs and GPUs haven't advanced hardly at all in the last 10-15 years. No one is going to have the need to change what ports are on the thing constantly. The one thing someone might want to do (more RAM) is made harder by the fact that they decided to solder RAM to the motherboard to save money. Assuming you don't throw around your laptop like a dumb asshole you'll have little need to replace anything other than the battery.

The way OEMs used to do things before this glued together and thin bullshit was just fine. It was a happy medium. These Framework laptops are just overpriced gimmicks. People don't want a modular laptop. They want a computer that's easy to maintain, doesn't spy on them, provides stable software upgrade paths and ships with open firmware+drivers for all the hardware included. That's it. That's all they want and no one will give it to them. Since it's more profitable to spy on and scam the user with gimmicks than it is to sell good hardware at an honest price point.

I thought there was no money in selling fixable laptops but of course there's always money in selling overpriced absolute shitboxes especially when you have powerful internet shill campaigns

>>105647378 (OP)
>good keyboard that won't shit the bed like mac
>good screen
>good specs (HX370, 2ch DDR5 5600)
>good cooling for once
>fully repairable
>guaranteed to work with linux perfectly OOTB
>expansion cards help you get rid of docks, which all of them suck
which for my usecase is crazy convenient
>something's wrong with the screen? Replace it.
>Someone spilled a drink over your keyboard? Replace it.
>don't like AMD after a year? Replace it.
>Battery started sucking/want a bigger one? Replace it.
i always carry a 20000mAh 65W with me anyways
>Don't like the wifi/bluetooth? Replace it.
>you won't find a new laptop with similar specs at a lower price
>b-but you shouldn't buy new then just buy a used/refurb-
No. I want a high performance laptop that will get shit done and last me a decade like the older thinkpads.
Not some shitty gen8 housefire, or worse yet, locked-in toy that will inevitably fail and I'll need another laptop.

>>105649976
>4 years of compatible parts
holy shit is that true?

I bought a FW13 a year ago and I'm pretty happy with it.
Obviously since it's a startup and they're making everything repairable the initial price will be higher than a competitor's locked down model, but in the long term it should be cheaper since I can make incremental upgrades as needed.

>>105650321
>but in the long term it should be cheaper
That would only happen if you're betting on them selling gorillions laptops in the future and could afford to scale up production at cheaper price.

macbook pro m4 shits all over your laptops and you know it
its simply the top tier whites man choice

>>105650596
I know, but what if I want to play games?
>inb4 use case for gaming?

>>105647378 (OP)
I rather get a mac if I'm paying over a thousand bucks for a laptop

>>105647626
They don't ship GNU+Linux, so you may as well dual boot.

>>105650744
You can choose NOT to get Windows though? Why would you pay full price of a windows license

>>105650633
I use a MacBook Air with geforce now game streaming. The highest tier is $200 a year and will perform better than any gaming laptop no matter how much you spend cause it is the desktop 480 with no heat issues and obviously the MacBook will be far better at laptop stuff.

Sometimes games can glitch out a bit when you're trying to start them up but it is very rare for anything to go wrong once the game has actually loaded and the occasional glitch is definitely far, far less annoying than the fans whirring away and it heating up your room.

>>105650686
>i would rather get less if I am going to pay more

>>105650788
Then you're paying money to own nothing. Which is gay as fuck.

>>105650811
No matter how you phrase it, it provides a far better experience for far less money.

>>105650633
then you need to grow up

>>105651069
I bring my laptop to the office to play video games until my boss tells me to do work.
I'm very productive.

>>105650788
>and obviously the MacBook will be far better at laptop stuff.
What a crock of shit.

>>105647378 (OP)

I had money to spend and wanted to fully switch to Linux without having a mental breakdown. I was aware of system76 and others but took the chance to try the 16.

My experience with it has been great except for needing to reseat the battery due to a firmware issue preventing it POSTing.

Why are you mad? Are you a shill from Dell?

>>105652031
>firmware issues
I've heard a lot of about Framework and their firmware. Why can't they just collab with the autists of coreboot and libreboot to figure that shit out?

>>105647542
look at this retard

>>105647490
>Every normal laptop is equally as serviceable as this one
Horseshit
Lots of people have quit repairing laptops because OEMs make it extremely hard to get something as simple as a battery for certain models.

Framework just supplying batteries in a consistent manner is small miracle.

>>105647378 (OP)
Idk man. Im usually a enovo shill but i tried an hp 255 g10 for shits and gigs. 32gb ram ryzen 7730u and i like it quite a bit. Feels kinda flimsy but works well. $30p refurbd.

>>105647592
Lenovo uses the same chassis for a couple generations so you can literally swap in a newer motherboard.
I got an 8840U mobo for $190.

>>105647378 (OP)
You can buy refurbished apple m4 pro 16 inch from official apple site for 2100. You get 16+ hours of life and much higher build quality not just plastic framejeet product.

They're almost at the level I want. They just need a couple fixes and updated specs I want and I'll buy. Definitely not buying any new laptop unless it has thunderbolt 5 at least.

>>105647592
The business laptops (Thinkpads,Precisions, Lattitudes, Elitebooks, etc) offer mostly the same upgradability (sans the CPU (Precisions can swap GPUs)) at lower prices and higher durability.

My Precision 7530 only needs one screwdriver to dismantle the whole thing, so does my older Thinkpad.

>>105647601
That's a terrible deal, you can build a desktop for a fraction of the price. Isn't a iMac mini cheaper than this?

>>105650596
Lunar Lake is your best bet on the x86 side right now. M4 is great, but it sucks that its stuck to Apple products and has shit emulation performance.

For some reason these Indians really don't want to give you a swappable or hot swappable extended battery. This on top of no navigation keys on the right side of the keyboard and optional touch screen display, and not offering both intel and amd and only amd will really be the downfall of their company.

>>105647378 (OP)
The scammers are all the other laptop manufacturers that have poor repairability.

>>105654278
>soldered RAM
Uhm, no. I'll pass. That's a scam.

>>105654842
>not offering both intel and amd and only amd will really be the downfall of their company.
What are you talking about? Their 13" lineup has both AMD and Intel CPUs. The 16" understandably only has an AMD one so far because Intel's CPUs suck compared with the same power level as the AMD ones.

what's with the forced framework hate. actually, yeah. is it really "forced" or did something happen? can somebody spoonfeed me... i'm lazy.

I'm buying an m5 macbook pro. Sorry not sorry.

>>105654227
>The business laptops (Thinkpads,Precisions, Lattitudes, Elitebooks, etc) offer mostly the same upgradability (sans the CPU (Precisions can swap GPUs)) at lower prices and higher durability.
You're lying to yourself. If I want to get for example a new X230 battery all I have available are some cheap Chinese knockoffs that will probably fail in a few months. And you can't upgrade from one generation of hardware to another with any of those laptops.

>>105647434
kek, this.
Though I will say it was well underway before that, GG was just the event that accelerated it to new heights in an attempt to own the chud

>>105656168
They discovered that their CEO was ethnically Indian therefore his company must be bad (not realizing that some Indians make good stuff, see kitty for example).

>>105647592
Even if this were true, price quotes like this are shit: >>105647601

The only parts of that which you can argue are worth it is the motherboard, keyboard, frame, and graphics card. Because they make those to fit the case and the other components. Everything else you can find for virtually half price on Newegg or Amazon

>>105654259
>Isn't a iMac mini cheaper than this?
Now get it with 2TB of storage and 128GB of RAM and see how much the price increases KEK

>>105656211
You can't have your cake and eat it too. They can't make cheap hardware when they're very low volume compared to any other laptop manufacturer.

>>105656185
oh... i was expecting something JUICY.

>>105647378 (OP)
>Fuck these scammers
No, fuck you. They're the only laptop company with SOVL left.

>>105652380
>Framework just supplying batteries in a consistent manner is small miracle.
This.

>>105649976
>>105649976
>they only promise 4 years of compatible parts
Why are you lying?

>>105656168
Linus Tech Tips invested in it.
Hell, I don't even care if the CEO is an Indian. I just don't like Linus.

>>105656228
>You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I mean, yes I can. I'll just buy a thinkpad.

>>105649976
based and true, I'm still daily driving a 2013 macbook air

>>105656880
Stop fooling yourself. If I want to get for example a new X230 battery all I have available are some cheap Chinese knockoffs that will probably fail in a few months. And you can't upgrade from one generation of hardware to another with any of those laptops.

>>105656218
>mac scam is scammier than the framework scam
>that means framework isnt a scam
kek

>>105656258
equivalent of overpaying to rice out your car

>>105650321
You are WAY too optimistic.
>scale up production
>manufacturer cost goes down
>charge the same anyway because line goes up

Im just gonna ask here since the thread is shit anyways
Im sick of laptops. Shitty tiny keyboards, retarded trackpad ill never use, shitty tiny ass screen. Can I just get a 25-28inch portable monitor that has a minipc built into it or some shit? I dont use laptops "on my lap" i want something for working while travelling, its easy to find a place to sit, but its not to find a monitor. Just let me bring my own keyboard and mouse and give me a nicer bigger screen, and let me fit it all in a suitcase/backpack.

>>105657250
Yes, you can get NVMe storage on your own, how is it a scam?

>>105657270
>overpaying
The translucent bezel is the same price as the base colors. The clear keyboard is only 10 bucks more.

>>105647378 (OP)
Framework is a fucking scam. I can get a notebook from any OEM with better specs for 2/3 the price sometimes close to a half on sales.
It's nice how easy they are to repair and upgrade but it's pointless when they cost this much.

how do i

>>105657426
You're obviously not factoring in the repairability cost in the price. In 2 years, if a part breaks you're much better off with the Framework.

>>105657346
If you're high as fuck, feel free to buy a screen tablet to be used as a portable touchscreen monitor.

>>105656154
AMD sucks with drivers. Alienware m18's uses intel. No excuse for them to not offer intel on their 16inch. It's almost like they're trying to kill the company on purpose with the bad decisions they're making. No navigation keys, no intel on their 16 to avoid all the driver issues that plague amd, no swappable battery or hot swappable battery.

Buying a new laptop every year or more frequently is based, because that ewaste goes to dumps in brownoid and/or asian countries and actively harms them.

>>105647378 (OP)
When macbooks are half the price, the industry is fucked

>>105658122
ok Intjeet

>>105651069
you need to kill yourself

>>105647378 (OP)
>It's modular and repairable! You can have whatever parts you want!
Oh cool, I can just pick all the features I want?
>No, absolutely none of those.
Oh, uh, is it affordable?
>No, it's extremely expensive.

I have just checked the price of their 13' laptop out of curiosity, since everyone here is screeching about its price.

If I select the DIY option with Intel i5 and higher resolution screen, and buy storage/ram/charger elsewhere (which I see no reason not to), then I can get a €1200-1300 laptop with 1TB storage and 32GB ram (and official Linux support).

Where exactly are you finding something that is competitive with this?

>>105647378 (OP)
SARS IT IS VERY GOOD VALUE LIKE ANDROID AND AMD SARS YOU WILL BUY IT NOW SSSAAAARS

Are the desktop versions full of bullshit and air?

>>105658940
RTX 4070 equivalent performance
Not even 4070S, just 4070

>>105647592
I've upgraded/replaced mobos and LCDs multiple times (yeah, it's not for everyone, but that's repairs as a whole: it's/diy/ territory).

>>105652380
>Extremely hard
Bet most if not all those batteries are just common batteries' packs

>>105659024
It was true 10 years ago.
But laptop companies fell for the slim meme and now duct taping a bunch of phone batteries instead.

The 12 is the top contender to be my next laptop. If they're so shit, name some alternatives:

>up to 13"
>2 in 1
>reasonably light and portable
>repairable and not prone to failure
>preferably X86 and can run linux
>performance appreciated but not prioritised, has to be decent at things like 3d editing in blender and video editing but I don't care about games
>battery life not a total dealbreaker but greatly appreciated

>>105652322
>libreboot
trannyware

>>105657474
Not that anon but are people having component failures on their laptops regularly? Ive had 4 laptops (more if you count work) over the last 10 years and all of them still work. My university one was destroyed because I was careless with it but it still booted no problem. I could see wanting to upgrade eventually but I've never really factored in component failures into my purchasing decisions

>>105660220
probably some used thinkpad yoga could be had for half that money with more performance+battery

>>105658681
>I can just pick all the features I want?
what features you want?

>>105650845
Being a slave is free.

>>105658122
The Intel processors have abysmal performance compared to their AMD counterparts adjusting for thermal power limit. I don't know where you got that "AMD drivers sucks" meme but it certainly doesn't apply to their CPUs.

>>105658829
Noooooooooo, don't spoil the narrative with facts

>>105660358
Thinkpad Yogas have glued hinges, they're an abomination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb4p6ad-z1U

>>105654227
I wanted to get a new keyboard for my thinkpad because the windows key stopped working, the fucking keyboard is held in with plastic rivets and has soldered ram.

>>105661160
What was the last great thinkpad convertible? a x220T or something?

>>105661112
If intel had abysmall performance, all of the fastest gaming laptops would not be using intel and would be using amd instead, but they don't. AMD has shit compatibility with drivers, etc. AMD is just not ready for prime time yet for serious users. For the average consumer who doesn't buy peripherals that require drivers, it might be fine.

>>105661431
>all of the fastest gaming laptops would not be using intel
The fastest gaming laptops (those using X3D chips from AMD) are AMD ones, not Intel ones.
>AMD has shit compatibility with drivers
You keep repeating this, but AMD has no "compability with drivers" issues when it comes to its CPUs, you're just making stuff up at this point to glaze Intel Aviv.

>>105660336
>Not that anon but are people having component failures on their laptops regularly?
Yes, batteries.

>>105661669
m18 has AMD and 14th Gen Intel Core i9-14900HX options. No reason why Framework wouldn't do the same thing. There's literally no excuse not to offer it other than to take AMD kickback money not to offer Intel because AMD and Framework both know people will just go with Intel because of AMD's abysmal driver compatibility. Even AMD ryzens from 2023 have issues with mass storage usb devices, something so basic.

>>105659287
You obviously have to know what you're doing, but that was always the case. You may need to replace tapes/etc., but not even necessarily (ex.: HP LCDs: you pull up two silicone-like strips, and reapply them afterwards). Anyway, any such "consumables" are readily available from china, if not locally.

>>105660220
I'm also interested in the 12 (actually preordered one like a fag).
It's pretty disappointing hearing the screen is shit in terms of color accuracy (brightness is good tho).
I'm an artfag so I wanted to do drawing and painting on it in tablet mode but I'll probably end up keeping it to just drawing.
If they release a better display later it will be literally perfect for me. Thankfully the screen seems trivial to replace.

>>105647592
>You can fix and upgrade your laptop
This is such a fkn meme.
Upgradability was always an idiot trap.
Even Desktop PC, cant be upgraded.
Odds are, once you replace one part, three others are bottleknecking it.
Even case and PSU are only semi sensible to keep, since the case might not be the best fit and the old PSU might kill your whole PC.
So most people buying a PC, end up paying for good everything and cheap out on maybe 1 part, later they replace that part with what they originally wanted.
In regards to repair, my HP Laptop just lost its ctrl key and I just bought a spare for 5 bucks.
Its 10 years old now btw

So yeah, go back to r/ltt

>>105647378 (OP)
> i3-1315U
>569€ (given as €569 because jeets can't into proper I13n libraries)

Top kek

>>105661707
>batteries
ltrl the easiest part to replace.
Duno about him, but I might have let Keyboard or Wifi card go, not battery tho.
And I had to repair/replace all 3 on different laptops

>>105658829
most certainly impossible

>>105647414

>>105647535
Macs suck, always.

The GNU/chad choice is Thinkpad P16 Gen2 running Qubes OS.

>>105661846
>know people will just go with Intel because of AMD's abysmal driver compatibility
Is that why the top 20 selling CPUs in Amazon US are almost all AMD ones?

>>105647542

>>105662753
What's the battery capacity in your "10 years old" HP laptop now?

You're describing a retard who builds a PC to claim that upgradability is not a thing with PCs. Not everyone cheaps out on PSUs.

>>105662776
Other than the CEO I couldn't find anyone with a Jeet name as their employees.

>>105647601
Fucking retardeded. Should buy $999 laptop and replacement battery for 'future proof'

>>105662962
>ltrl the easiest part to replace.
Then you haven't had experience replacing laptop batteries. Try sourcing a new battery for old laptops that's not a chink knockoff that easily deteriorates with time.

>>105663323
Yes.

>>105663277
not an argument

>>105647378 (OP)
are laptop manufacturers really so afraid of an easily repaired or renovated laptop that they pay faggots to make these pointless seethe threads on 4chan? if you really didn't like it you could just not buy it and live your life, but instead you're here crying about it and circle jerking with lying dipshits pretending to have ever fixed anything harder than a dead drive or newer than a thinkpad T480. kill yourself you spineless shill.

>>105663009
Out of the laptops you posted in your picture, I looked up the HP and the Thinkpad. They are both 15' and much heavier than the Framework, and their screens are significantly worse.

>>105658829
I bought an asus vivobook 14" for $750 on ebay. It was pretty much brand new in box.
No official linux support and I had to find workarounds for a couple gpu bugs. But it's still significantly cheaper than even the older 7040 amd framework and has much better io.

>>105663223
Unfortunately there are still no competitors for M1+ Macbooks. The rest have shit battery life.

>>105660358
Yoga isn't part of the Thinkpad product lineup.
Lenovo Thinkpad 2-in-1 is called the X series and they cost double.

>>105664067
How will you replace the battery in 5 years?

>>105665047
good to know, I thought the 2-in-1 convertible changed from the X220 tablet series to Yoga, I was just confused lol
Are used thinkpad X convertibles as vfm as the regular used Thinkpads?

>>105663271
Because all of the power users use Intel, and consumers are left with gayMD inferior chips that have to use more cores just to compete with intel and have driver compatibility issues. None of this is an excuse why Framework doesn't include the intel chip on their framework 16 if not only for a kickback by AMD not to offer intel. Linus and that Indian ceo are literally tanking the company on purpose.

>>105665047
>>105665317
>Yoga isn't part of the Thinkpad product lineup.
But there are ThinkPads that are called Yoga

>>105647378 (OP)
most commercial laptops are up-gradable with a screwdriver and a soldering iron.

>>105666078
No, try to upgrade to a new CPU with a screwdriver and a soldering iron.

>>105665705
>Because all of the power users use Intel,
All the power users are using Threadripper for which Intel has no competing product LMAO.
>and consumers are left with gayMD
Dude, we're not dumb. We can see how many products are sold at some major retailers like the one in Germany, and Intel Arrow Lake CPUs are just not selling, it's a complete blood bath for team blue. CPU shortages happened with AMD CPUs like the 9800X3D but not with Intel.

>>105665797
So there are both. Mystery solved.

>>105647601
>32GB of soldered on RAM
just buy a fucking Macbook at that point

>>105665086
Buy a new one online and put it in?

>>105666665
It's not as simple as "buy a new one online" makes it seem. How do you buy a genuine one online? All you would find 5 years after are some chink knockoffs of those batteries that last nowhere close to the original ones.

I would buy their 16 inch if they offered it in Intel and just just gAyMD. Is Framework getting a kickback by only offering it in AMD? What a spectacular fail for a "modular" laptop.

>>105666343
There
is
no
excuse
to
not
offer
Intel.

>>105666919
Too many issues recently. Plus, they are more expensive than AMD ones. There is no reason to build laptops with Intel unless Israel is blackmailing your company.

>>105666919
I would consider "we don't sell inferior products" to be a valid excuse.

>>105666758
>It's not as simple as "buy a new one online" makes it seem
it really is
>How do you buy a genuine one online
Goalpost moved, now it's buy a genuine one. I don't care, the only time I would change a battery is if the current one fails completely. I don't care about losing an hour to cycle wear or knockoff parts.

>>105666909
>2 years since a potential backdoor was found on most intel processors
>Intel refuse to fix and does't even try to gaslight people into believing it's a nothingburger. They just don't talk about MOSSAD backdoor
Yeahhh, no.
And let's not forget about the 13th and 14th generation debacle where their shitty microcode was ruining the CPU over time, and Intel refused to acknowledge it was a problem even after being exposed by several tech journalists. Their solution? "We are going to look into this, but no refunds."
You need to be a special guy to buy somethign Intel affter all of this.

>>105666919
yes there is

>>105666984
>it really is
If getting a chink knockoff that blows up after 2 months is a concern then it isn't.
>Goalpost moved, now it's buy a genuine one.
No, only genuine batteries should be considered as no one wants their chink knockoff to blow up after 2 months. If you don't care about your battery blowing up or malfunctioning after only a few months then you care about nothing.

>>105666919
I've never seen such an avid Intel-aviv cock rider

>>105647378 (OP)
>tech platform
>allows trash to own groups
>same trash bans techies exactly like you off platform
God you social media fucks are fucking retarded. Take everything away from these people

>>105667107
All batteries carry a risk of exploding. I'm not buying 50 cent batteries off temu. It took me 30 seconds of googling to find reputable replacement batteries for my laptop. A couple minutes to find an OEM one.
I checked the framework website, the bigger battery is out of stock fucking kek. You can get the old one though for 10% less battery life. 30% less than my asus laptop.
>mfw you pay framework to downgrade your already shitty battery

I'm on an X13s (it's the ARM64 one) and linux support is allllllllllllmost there
still no suspend or hardware acceleration, and a lot of really odd bugs ( no speaker DSP so they're real quiet, sometimes just straight turns itself off, no real suspend so you have to turn it off if you don't want the battery to die, RTC doesn't work across restarts, I have a bright spot or two on my display for some reason??) but generally very usable.
With that list it sounds bad but it really isn't, at least for your average archbtw linux user.

>>105667319
You should not let fear dictate your life.
#yolo

>>105647378 (OP)
I am. I need a laptop and this won out when comparing against a MacBook air/pro, surface laptop for business, and Thinkpad x1/x9. For the price it seems you can't beat it when speccing 32GB ram + 1 tb SSD as a requirement. Those other machines will certainly have better build quality but I don't want to pay extortionist pricing ($2000 for all but the Mac pro which was $3000).

I like mine, the only issue that I have is that the battery life is too short for my case (about 8 hours but it's pushing it when I'm out all day)

>>105647378 (OP)
you could buy one of these or a literal Macbook and just sell it for 85% of the original value when the newest one comes out


totally stupid

also >sodimm ram on a laptop in 2025

>>105658904
wtf happened here

For anyone in Europe, I don't know why you'd ever pick something like the Framework over a Tuxedo laptop for example.

Tuxedos cost like 600 EUR less than an equivalent Framework, has a more rigid body so it wobbles less and feels better to use and is still just as repairable and Linux compatible.

>>105669213
Forgot to mention the screen size, 14 inch is objectively the best work laptop screen size, framework is too small.

>>105669213
Isn't Tuxedo rebranded Chinese stuff? The build quality and the screen weren't great last time I checked reviews.

>>105669247
Yeah they use Clevo chassis I believe, but even then, is it really worse than Framework when you can legit wobble and bend the framework screen and keyboard area?
The chinesium meme was real once, but these days I don't really think it still holds up.

>>105669860
Do you have one? How do you find it in terms of screen quality and battery life?

>>105647378 (OP)
You dumbass. Unlike other laptops, this one can be easily upgraded or fixed, whereas other laptops becomes obsolete the moment you buy it and turn into a brick when it breaks. The Framework company is also small and their laptops are essentially still bespoke PCs. They don't yet have the bargaining power of huge laptop manufacturers to buy components at cheaper prices.

>>105667706
I'm thinking of getting one.
It's actually refreshing to see a new laptop company, I'm tired of al the boomer laptop brands (Lenovo, Dell, HP).

>>105648516
>You can get a desktop with RTX 5080 with that budget

The AI Max chips can outperform the RTX 5090 in AI training.
I mean the 32GB one probably does not because it doesn't have enough memory, but it's still a lot more performance per watt.

>>105671095
>performance per watt
That's a desktop. Who cares about that?
>The AI Max chips can outperform the RTX 5090 in AI training.

>>105647490
>Every normal laptop is equally as serviceable as this one
Of all the retarded shit said by people who should know better, this is one of them.

>>105667319
Nigga, you're really equating OEM batteries with cheap chink knockoffs? What are those reputable non-Temu brands that you're speaking of?
>I checked the framework website, the bigger battery is out of stock fucking kek.
It's temporarily out of stock at their regional warehouses but if you contact their support they can arrange to get you one.

>>105668115
>for 85% of the original value when the newest one comes out
You can't do that if the screen got damaged, or the SSD just died.

>>105668115
>also >sodimm ram on a laptop in 2025
You'd rather have unupgradeable soldered memory you Apple cuck?

How do they not have Intel chips on their 16"? Is AMD paying them money not to offer it or something?

>>105669213
Tuxedo is nowhere near Framework in terms of repairability. It's not even close. And you can't go from one motherboard to another with a new gen CPU.

>>105671130
Try to run 100GB models on a consumer grade RTX 5090.

>>105659287
And you can still find chinese copies for $40 everywhere. The only laptop company that makes unrepairable laptops is Apple

>>105666942
>>105666954
AMD is notorious for having driver compatibility issues.

>>105671840
You made that up.

>>105671826
>chinese copies
Oh yeah, I definitely want chink tier batteries that barely last 1 month as replacement for my OEM batteries that no longer circulate after 2 years of their production.

Retard.

>>105671807
Stop spamming the same thing you Intel-aviv dick rider

>>105650321
I've had mine about a year too. Happy with it. Great little laptop. I do hope they succeed and the platform remains supported.

>>105673140
Same. Really don't get the forced hate around here.

>>105667186
>implying amd isn't also

>>105647378 (OP)
No clit, no sale.

>>105647592
>Not for upgrades
>Upgrades
Yeah sure bud. So youre just going to replace your entire chipset, then you discover the one you swapped in has tighter reuirements on it's PSU ripple and interfaces completely different but thats no problem, you'll just swap out the PCB, switchibg and linear regulators, passives etc. to accomodate for your new chipset so you can run your next gen RAM?
Oh wait. You bought an entire new computer only you had to populate the board yourself.
KYS

>>105674174
The clit is one of their most requested features.

You will not, in 4 years, add RAM to your laptop and extend it's life
it's just not going to happen
i buy laptops in the 500 dollar range and ride them til they die. your 1800 dollar laptop 4 years later gets btfo by a 500 dollar used whatever

>>105674335
Shut the fuck up. Just because you can't think of a usecase (because all you do everyday is goon to chinese cartoons of little girls) with higher RAM doesn't mean that this usecase doesn't exist or won't in the future.

>>105674335
I'm going to buy an extra (1) stick of ram to prove you (yes you) wrong.
debates won tracker: 1

>>105674534
that doesn't negate the fact that in 4 years your 1800 dollar laptop with 100 dollar RAM upgrade gets btfo by a 500 dollar used laptop
you spent 1900 dollars, i spent 1000 and my computer is more powerful
and I didn't have to open a laptop and work on it
and i have before, i put a new panel in a dell latitude half a decade ago and it was a very tedious and not fun experience

>>105674574
>that doesn't negate the fact that in 4 years your 1800 dollar laptop with 100 dollar RAM upgrade gets btfo by a 500 dollar used laptop
No it wont in RAM heavy workloads.

>>105647535
I'm close to taking the used thinkpad pill.
Nothing I look at is ever remotely worth the price.
I just need a "shitbox" for normie stuff so I don't get rusty with windows while main linux on the desktop or vice versa.

>>105671826
My dad bought one for my Galaxy S3 and it swole in less than a month.
They only sell batteries that are already close to death bed.

>>105674918
Get a used Framework laptop.

>>105663534
"laptops are just an objectively shit product, either get a tablet or use a desktop" is not an argument

>>105647542
You're just a poorfag.

>>105675466
i lost my laptop and i dont even care its a toy computer

>>105647490
Normal laptops have soldered RAM only two charging/data ports that are way more delicate than barrel jacks and will wear out under torsion and are difficult to desolder and replace, if they don't damage the motherboard they're attached to in the process. I don't think you're can even use a laptop on your lap while charging because of the damage you'll cause. You'll still breaking things on this one doing that but at least the one on the motherboard will be fine and replacing what your broke is easy.
(really everything just needs to adopt magsafe or go back to barrel jacks).

The only thing that shouldn't be soldered on a computing device main board is storage

>>105676687
but framework uses soldered USB-C port as well, you just put modular USB-C port on of it. I don't see it as a plus

>>105676687
but framework uses soldered USB-C port as well, you just put modular USB-C port on top of it. I don't see it as a plus.

>>105656168
Its way too expensive, and they are pretentious

>>105676770
And the module is going to break first, and when it does, it's easy to replace. Don't get me wrong, it's still not as durable as a barrel jack. We just don't have a lot of options with those that aren't cheap low performance machines that are even less durable.

It's a good laptop but it's kneecapped by x86. The build quality is solid, keyboard feels good, repairability is amazing, upgrading actually works though you have to buy an entire board which is pretty expensive. The problem is x86 is a pig. Sleep drains the battery just like every x86 laptop and the fan noise is unbearable. You can't adjust voltages as far as I know so the only thing you can do is adjust the Windows power profile and if you set it to efficiency, it feels slow as fuck. I ended up getting a Macbook Air and I love it. AMD and Intel need to figure out how to solve the x86 problem because I don't want to go back.

>>105671798
Sodimm is a slow power hungry shitty 90s standard

why do you think they solder ram to the CPU now?

The shorter distance saves power and is much faster.

If they want modular laptop ram they should work on a new standard that isn't so shitty or use Micron's one

>>105676829
There is a new standard, CAMM and LPCAMM (for LPDDR), only no one is making modules that follow those standards because no one is making computers that use them, and no one is making computers that use them because no one is making modules that follow those standards.
(and besides, why sell you something you can upgrade when they can make you pay extra for RAM you'll only start to need in a few years when the bloat starts hitting, or make you buy a whole new laptop when you find out you made a mistake?)

>>105671798
just bga solder in some larger memory modules you cuck

>>105647490
having limited availability saved me from this scam
I was close to buying one of these for the fake promise of "sustainability" and the modding capabilities but besides being unable to have it shipped to my country I remembered my moto z play sitting on my cabinet

>>105671824
Try doing that on that framework

>>105676827
Are you sure the sleep issue you're describing isn't the problem with the sleep state in Windows specifically?
I have a thinkpad with an older ryzen and I can leave it in sleep for like 3 days and still have over 50% battery life left, on Linux.

>>105647601
looking at the same chip for some time, bosgame and gmktec are much cheaper, but I was told to be patient as the sw support leaves a lot to be desired

>>105647378 (OP)
Nice blog post.
>>105647472
Where did you steal them from, Tyrone?

>>105675466
Unemployed goomer spotted. Some people need a portable machine with a proper keyboard.

>>105647490
>Every normal laptop is equally as serviceable as this one, it’s just the parts for this are easier to google.
hp/dell/lenovo hand typed this