Where do you faggots stand on air conditioning?
Window units?
Portable?
Mini Split?
Full American?

Ceiling fan

>>105652095 (OP)
Portable air conditioners are kind of retarded, especially the one-hose units. You really need a split system to achieve any kind of decent efficiency.

>>105652095 (OP)
Air conditioning is bloat. I just stay outside in the shade or go into my basement when the temperature is over 100 degrees.
The money you'll save on power will allow you to buy a titan xx90 card every 2 generations.

>>105652095 (OP)
I live in a temperate climate so I don't need AC

>>105652095 (OP)
inb4 the hour long video essay shitting on portable air conditioners is posted

>>105652095 (OP)
if your house already has the duct work then central AC is the best option

if your house doesn't have duct work, then mini split heat pumps are the next best option.

>>105652147
>I live in a temperate climate so I don't need AC
This is cope, I live up north and it will still get to 90+>>105652119
>Air conditioning is bloat. I just stay outside in the shade or go into my basement when the temperature is over 100 degrees.
>The money you'll save on power will allow you to buy a titan xx90 card every 2 generations.
degrees in August, imagine not paying for a cheap AC so you don't have to sweat in the summer

Or, you could just not be poor and have it all lmao, like even if you live in an area where the power is extremely expensive, they make solar powered AC heat pumps now

>>105652095 (OP)
Mold factories if you don't regularly clean the grills, and if it's portable good luck with that. Don't buy anything where the parts that collect moisture can't be accessed.

>>105652095 (OP)
Gotta be full American, but one of those ductless configurations to allow for temperatures to be set on a per-ropm basis. That way you can have your room at a comfortable temperature and your server closet (this is /g/ after all) can be nice and chilly. Or the rest of the house can be set to 74 degrees because your relatives are both over and psychopaths while your room could be set to a proper 68.

>>105652283
Or you could just turn off the AC in rooms that nobody's in, that way you can eat your cake and have it too by only using electricity to cool a room that's actively in use, saving money.

>>105652095 (OP)
This confuses and angers the Yuropoor.

proper home insulation and sane shade management (vegetation, awnings, exterior blinds) and sunlight rejection are way more important than AC
second essential thing is keeping indoor humidity in check
you can live just fine in brutal temperatures if the humidity is fine
>>105652320
with cheap electricity and cardboard houses it's impossible not to just crank the AC 24/7
in a well built house you can run it a few hours at worst and it'll stay in check around the clock
unless you live in some desert hellhole, God save you

>>105652095 (OP)
Full American.
I am not poor so I can afford to live in comfort.

>>105652376
>cardboard houses
a meme. they are mostly made out of actual wood.

>>105652095 (OP)
>Have to ask whole neighborhood for permission if i wanted to install one

>>105652095 (OP)
my AC has been broken for 3 years, and I dont really feel like spending $3500 to fix it. I'm also saving around $500+ in electricity usage as well.
There are only maybe 10-15 days out of the entire year that I really could have used AC, and that's mainly due to the high humidity.
I only need to use a dehumidifier in my closet to prevent leather from molding.

My house stays pretty cool during the summer, I keep most of my windows open 24/7, and get a nice cross breeze here. Running AC would mean to keep windows closed and not hear the sounds of nature, I live in the boonies.

>>105652095 (OP)
Mini split. I live in a mild climate so more isn't needed for the few weeks we use it per year. Had it installed 2 years ago. Can also double as a heater in winter.

>>105652095 (OP)
portable, modded with second hose for air intake (or else portable is huge problem as it blows air outside), dualhose units are ultra hard to find, so just duct tape second hose to it, problem solved

yeah it is noisy as fuck but i dont care

>>105652095 (OP)
Mini-splits are super nice. Power efficient and quiet and most of them can even switch to heating rather than cooling as well. I used a portable AC too but it sucked ass, extremely loud and power hungry while at the same time less effective in actual cooling compared to the mini-split I installed later. The mini-split was totally worth it, incredible investment into the comfort of my home and it wasn't even that expensive.

I've never seen full-building AC here other than in commercial buildings, office spaces and so on. Never say anyone install such a thing into their home, even new homes are just built with mini-split systems.

I have 3 big split units since summers in central Europe are getting too hot for too long. The house is super well insulated so I actually don't have to run them that much. Also I don't need 68 F too feel good. 72F is fucking fine

>>105652261
what is worst about portables is you can easily clean the grill for the part that blows air inside, but you absolutely cant get to the grill that blows air outside and this grill gets so full of dust over the years it completely blocks the grill. Normie would just throw the AC into garbage because "it does not work much anymore".

I opened mine and cleaned it and the fucking manufacturers make it almost fucking impossible to get to this grill, even if you unscrew everything it is blocked in a way that you cant possibly get there, even if i unscrewed everything i cleaned it very hard with a toothbrush it was the only thing i could stick there and only few fingers were holding it and iso-alcohol spray, it took me fucking two hours to clean it. But the fucking AC now works as i bought it, suddenly it is way more powerful. Normie would throw it away and buy a new one.

I just shove ice up my ass.

>>105652705
we know how american "houses" are "built" anon

My hero.

>>105652320
I see those on sale in Europe all the time but I'm not sure who actually gets them. Everyone who wants AC just gets a heat pump.

Split is peak performance but I have to deal with "portable" AC.

Why isn't ducted mini split system more of a thing?

>>105652095 (OP)
step aside losers, portable split

>>105652095 (OP)
>Window units
Ridiculously cheap in the US, can be used by rentcucks.
>Portable
Trash
>Mini Split
Great for a one or two rooms, cheap to buy ... but illegal to DIY (do it any way).
>Full American
If you have air ducts, might as well use them.

>>105652947
>Everyone who wants AC just gets a heat pump.
I very much doubt it. Here in the Netherlands most heatpump installers run away when you mention FCUs (which you need to cool with air to water heatpumps).

I know FCUs are huge in Italy for residential installs though.

>>105652095 (OP)
I have one sticking out the window

The Midea 14K BTU dual-hose unit works very well. Using one right now. Super quiet, sips electricity due to being driven by a VFD (aka inverter drive), meaning the compressor speed is variable based on the fan speed. Once the room is cooled to set temperature it is no louder than a quiet fan, and when it is on full blast it just sounds like a fan. The compressor is very quiet.

To keep it portable, you put the weatherstripping on the edges of the plastic insert that goes in the window. That makes it very easy to install/remove as needed.

To keep the A/C clean you have to drain it and run it on fan-only mode to dry off the internals.

When you first buy any A/C or compressor-based cooling unit (i.e. freeze/fridge) you must leave it sitting upright for 24 hours before using it. The reason is to ensure the oils in the coolant settle. If you ever tilt it or store it in a position other than upright, you have to give it 24 hours to settle. If you ignore this step, you can expect to have mechanical failures in a year or less.

>>105653452
>Split is peak performance but I have to deal with "portable" AC.

A good portable unit is just as good as a split in most cases, but it has to be a dual-hose unit. Single hose units create a vacuum which drastically reduces their cooling performance for a given amount of electricity consumed.

Just put picrel in my window an hour ago, it's wild how quiet it is. Cranked all the way up it's quieter than my regular fan. My old walmart special AC was so loud you could hear it in the living room and across the street

>>105652095 (OP)

>needing AC
sorry to hear that
nobody living in Europe needs one

>>105652255
"still get to 90+"
oh no, not a comfortable 32c!
that is nothing with decent insulation (not even styrofoam insulation, just an air gap between the brickwork, flat roof with rolled asphalt)
That being said, I will eventually install a minisplit in my room, because my hand gets sweaty when using the computer and the mouse gets real ugly

>>105652095 (OP)
Window units are much better than the portable ones. If you're in an apartment, window units are the way to go unless you have a faggot landlord that won't allow them. If you do, move because those faggots get paid way too much to be nanny niggers.
Mini splits are overrated. The drains tend to get clogged over time (vermin love to get cozy in the lines during the winter) and they're a bitch to clean. You'll know they're clogged when the thing starts puking dirty water out of the front.
Central air is nice but you have to consider you're possibly going to cool rooms you aren't using and wasting the energy to do so. However you probably have fuck you money since you both own a home and have central air, or you're paying out the ass for a luxury apartment.

Portable one hose units are incredibly inefficient and should never be bought. The fact they sell them is incredible. Why even make something that bad?

>>105652095 (OP)
I spend most of my time in a smaller room in my house in the UK, in the winter its fine since my PC warms it well but summer is dogshit unless I run an AC unit that goes out the window.
One of these years I'll cut a proper hole in the wall to vent the heat out of for the best insulation, but thats not this year

>>105654556
because it's often the only solution, it is for me.
>split/window unit
ABSOLUTE NOGO because of the noise outside
>central AC
not my building, can't install shit outside

today it was 35°C (I don't speak retard units sry) outside and I'm exposed south - south-east so it's direct ligh from 5h to ~15h (again, I don't speak retard units), it was 22°C inside with the mobile AC and around 30°C without, it's good enough for me.

>>105652106
25% difference in efficiency, not that dramatic really.

>>105652255
>>I live in a temperate climate so I don't need AC
>This is cope, I live up north and it will still get to 90+
North of what? You definitely don't need AC in northern Europe.
Where I live, a fan is more than sufficient. It would be a waste of money to install AC that I would use maybe 3 weeks per year

>>105652106
it's fine in a pinch, during summer it only gets to like 28c for a few days a year during the mid-day peak down here so the portable ac is good enough

>>105652095 (OP)
have a portable one. works well but is loud, you cannot stay in the same room as it runs.
I would prefer a window unit but dont want to put a hole in the wall and all that.

>>105655274
The thing is that dual pipe has the bonus of not actually dragging in outside air unnecessarily. A single pipe just takes in your inside air and heats it up and pumps it outside, creating negative pressure for air from outside to come in. A dual pipe balances the pressure so you're not constantly pulling in outside air.

>>105655134
>1k watts hours
>12 hours for 120 days = 1440 * $0.20kw/hr
>$288 vs $216
yeah pretty negligible I suppose and I'd pay any cost for aircon in the summer months. I remember being poor and wearing shorts only for months just sweating at my desk, miserable.

>>105655134
>25% difference in efficiency
That's for split vs dual hose rather than split vs single hose, right? For split vs single hose, 25% sounds very optimistic. Keep in mind that the compressor's heat being dumped into your house isn't the only issue with that design; the other huge flaw is that it creates a slight negative pressure in your house, which draws in hot air from outside.

I have a dual hose portable a/c that still brings in outside air for cooling, though not quite as much. Portables a/c are really shit if you can avoid them.

I live in Arizona and just recently got a portable evap cooler and it's really good. ~10% humidity here and evap cooling is basically magic. It's kind of tricky to learn how to use, which I guess is why people prefer a heat pump, but it uses very little energy. All these people who spend $500+ a month to cool their houses are basically lighting that money on fire for no reason.

>>105655090
The problem isn't the form factor but that they use a single hose only. This means it blow air from inside the room outside, causing negative pressure and sucking in hot air from the outside again. As long as the air (used to cool the condenser) going out is hotter than what is sucked in it's still cooling but efficiency and effectiveness suffer. There are a few models using two hoses which don't have this problem and are theoretically almost as good as window units but they are rare because people are stupid and want something that barely works if it means one hose less.

>>105652095 (OP)
I got a refurbished Danby off ebay in 2017 and it saved my life working nights trying to sleep during the day in summer.
It lasted 8 years and finally gave up end of last summer but I'm not nocturnal anymore so a fan bringing cold air in during the night is plenty.

Swamp cooler obviously

>>105654497
No one still living anyway

>>105652095 (OP)
Not very appealing. Ruin your house with the ugly tumor in every room.

>>105652320
Only if you live in the no-chill belt. The rest of Europe is packed with mini splits.

A few years ago I lived in an apartment with no AC. There was heat but the building was so leaky that I never used it except during the very coldest days like -40. Just to prevent water in the pipes from freezing.
I was basically running electric heater or blankets in my room during the winter, and that particular room held on to heat quite well. During the summer although it was in Wisconsin, it would get up to 125° if I didn't have windows open on both ended the building and actively ventilating the windows in the doorway. I would also have two fans blowing on myself, sitting at the computer in my underwear, and occasionally spraying water on myself. The evaporative cooling worked very well, all the water would be gone within a minute.
I'm glad that I can live in a real building and not that dilapidated shack now. I could have afforded a better place, I could also have afforded to run the heat during the winter even though it would cost $500 a month, but I just had other things I wanted to save my money for.
I was able to keep myself comfortable enough for 90% of the time using the cheaper methods, it was just inconvenient.

>>105652119
What is this euro cope? I went to college so I can have it all, not compromise

>>105652095 (OP)
Full American mainly. 25 year old trane unit with Rudd air handler is working just fine.
I also use a 6000 btu fridgeair (pic related) in window unit for my den/home office. Just doesn't have a ton ventilation in that room.

>>105652095 (OP)
technology connections had a video or two about this subject but i can't find them any more

>>105652104
This.
>a ceiling fan only circulates air; my house is too hot because black shingles, shitty insulation and a low-pitched roof
plant a tree in front of the sun
>b-but technolgy
Fuck technology.

>>105652095 (OP)
I feel like mini splits are the way to go since you can use them for heat too but I've only got window units right now

naked and fan blasting me from the side.

>>105652095 (OP)
>Mini Split?
TIL "mini split" is the proper term for this.
In Japan, saying "air con" is synonymous with this type of air conditioning.

>>105657319
>plant a tree in front of the sun
>wait 10 years for it to grow
thanks anon!

>>105652095 (OP)
UK/portable, no need for permanent including the cost since we only get a few days a year where it's necessary. Pic rel is the one I use, hose out of the window and is very effective. I posted about this on pol the other day in case anyone has Deja vu.

Americans don't realize that yuropoors hate AC because of electricity costs. I pay ~$0.05 per kWh. This is inconceivable to the average yuropoor that pays about 4 times that on average. I can run my AC all fucking day here in Texas and my bill is still lower than a yuropoor that sits in the dark without even a fan running in his tiny apartment.

>>105657550
>he doesn't realize you can have mature trees planted

>>105652095 (OP)
what you can, where you can.

>>105652095 (OP)
>Window units?
Haven't seen those in a long time.
>Portable?
Absolute garbage.
>Mini Split?
The GOAT. Had that shit at home long as I been alive. Everywhere I lived. Got one running right now.
>Full American?
What?

>>105656810
Whats going on in Scandinavia

>>105652106
Yeah but not everyone has this option obviously you fucking retard

its like saying laptops suck and you should carry a desktop around you dumb mongoloid

>>105652840
>modded with second hose for air intake
how

>>105652095 (OP)
The ultimate solution
>big ass Heil heat pump, central air set at 70F 24/7
>window A/C for bedroom because 4090 heats the entire room up
>nice crispy 62 degrees in bedroom when I sleep
Feels fucking good man. Euros will cope by saying it's unnecessary.

I've been training myself to become comfortable in warmer temperatures over the years to cut electricity cost and be more comfortable outside. Just gradually turning the thermostat up a degree as I acclimate. Of course now I can't handle the cold

>>105657934
Buddy he literally told you

>>105657920
HAARP

>>105657947
Cooling to 62 sounds completely insane to me. As in it doesn't even get that cold in my home in the winter because I have heating.

>>105654556
>Portable one hose units are incredibly inefficient and should never be bought.

I get 12K BTU/hr cooling for about 1 kw (when it's on full blast) with the portable, and it works well. THere's a lot of crappy portables out there, but the efficiency issue is really limited to single-hose models that suck the hot air in from all other parts of the house into the room they're cooling. Dual-hose units drastically reduce this vacuum effect, so the difference between their rated BTU (14K) and SACC BTU (12K) is pretty small.

A 12K BTU window unit or split is not going to be using much less than 1 kw.

>>105655444
>The thing is that dual pipe has the bonus of not actually dragging in outside air unnecessarily.

No it's not. A/Cs have two main parts - the condenser (hot part) and evaporator (cold part, aka "the coil"). The compressor compresses the refrigerant causing it to become a liquid, which then flows through the evaporator where it is exposed to the hot air in the room. As the refrigerant passes through the evaporator it...evaporates, turning back into a gas, and in doing so takes the heat from the air with it as it continues flowing to the condenser.

A fan cools the condenser, releasing the heat that was inside into the air outside, prior to the cycle repeating - where the refrigerate hits the compressor again and goes from gas to liquid.

Now you can see what a dual-hose unit is actually doing. It is not sucking air in from outside and releasing it into your room, it is using the outside air to cool the condenser, and then immediately exhausts it back out the other tube. The air flowing through a dual-hose unit never leaves the inside of the unit.

A single-hose unit will be drawing the air inside the house to cool the condenser, blowing it outside. This is why single-hose units fail.

>>105655587
>I'd pay any cost for aircon in the summer months

It won't be pulling 1 kw/h non-stop. It runs when it needs to, assuming you bought the right capacity for your room size. If you cheap out and get a 5K BTU for a 300 sq.ft. room it will never cut out. If you get a 9-10K BTU for the same size room it will run, cool it down, then cut out until it needs to run again to maintain the set temperature. Average power use is going to be probably half of its peak rating if you size it correctly and make sure you don't have any hot air leaking into the cooled room.

>>105658194
I have an alcohol problem, so I sweat in bed even at 70F unfortunately

>>105655090
silly rentcuck, of course you speak retard units, you just said "35°C"

>>105652095 (OP)
Central air is great, mini split is the next best option and everything after is shit, barely better than none at all

>>105652104
>>105657319
I have a ceiling fan but it's too close to the ceiling so it doesn't actually circulate any air at all lol

>>105652095 (OP)
Full American is the way to go, is extremely convenient and efficient to have central air now.

20 years ago, I get it it was not easy to make it standard. now is simpler than getting a patio deck

comfy AF set it up on your app and forget about it. I might be bias as I live in the Sonoran Desert.

>>105658637
>is extremely convenient and efficient to have central air now
In what fucking way?

>>105653486
It's such an absolute unit. Well worth the money.
I have a rat issue outside, so I can't keep it running during the night just yet.

>>105653486
>>105659369
How are they vs. a window unit?

>>105659543
It's like a split wall unit, permanently attached. The fan and heatsink is outside, cooler inside. So you have that fridge hum now and then.
Very efficient, in the long it will be great.
You have the mobility, I swap windows, doors, depending on where I am.
It has mounting options to make it more of a permanent solution too. Works with american and european windoww.

My regular floorfans are louder at 50%+ fanspeed.

>>105659604
Seems like a great option if you're on the ground floor and have a space outside to put the outside unit. Else it's like lmao you're fucked you need to get planning permission to drill a bracket onto the outside part of the building. Or you live somewhere third worldy where this doesn't matter and you just do it

>>105659765
I live on 5th floor, balcony. I just put it on a platform.
It has a window platform that screws on with grips holding onto the window frame and able to close the window as well.
It was designed for us rentcucks.

>>105659774
Ah right a balcony too. I'm a balconlet. Should really make sure I am NOT next time I move.

>>105652095 (OP)
honestly by the time I'd get annoyed enough to get a portable unit the 2 days of UK heat are over.

>>105660681
Smart people buy them at the end of summer when they're heavily discounted.

>>105660718
Yeah I bought mine a few years ago after summer ended. I'll sell my current one (when upgrading or moving or whatever) during a heatwave.

>>105652104
>Ceiling fan
Will not work in high humidty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature?useskin=vector
t. natural scientist

>>105656600
> Climate hoax propaganda

all of this bong cope

>>105652095 (OP)
i use 2x pic
i'm in germany, would be glad to just install a proper outside ac unit, but the bureaucratic shithole would make it a nightmare

>>105653486
>>105659369
What's the model number?

>>105652283
>proper 68
>>105652863
Americans are crazy I swear. 20C/68F feels much colder than it normally feels because the AC dehumidifies the air. In the Mediterranean we regularly set AC to 24C because you'd be getting chills otherwise. I've heard of Americans putting on sweaters when entering air conditione places.

>>105661478
what weak minded people, I even sleep in winter in a summer blanket and boxers
if it gets sub zero I wear a light shirt and add a second blanket only retaining heat for my feet
just the idea that it is warmer than +16°C/+61°F sickens me

>>105657319
>plant a tree in front of the sun
Nigga it gets to 100f in the summer here. A fucking tree and a fan ain't gonna do shit.

>>105661046
its not avialable in US unfortunately, even cheking midea website

Get a VRF. Best investment you'll ever make (if you own your house obviously).

I drilled drain holes in my Midea U and cleaned out all the mold from the blower wheel. Just in time for the northeast heatwave. Electric meter go brrrr.

>>105653902
>A good portable unit is just as good as a split
Sure, if you don't account for the additional 500 watt heat load from the compressor being indoors.

Can't install AC
Plenty of humidity
Just a shitty fan is what I have

>>105662502
AC strips humidity and you just connect a small rubber tube that leaks the condensate in a drain

>>105653486
>portable split
Where in the US can I buy one?

>>105661552
I am from Brazil. Having a shade over your house dramatically reduces the temperature inside.
We are talking about 15ºC when outside is over 40ºC (105ºF for Americans).

>>105662917
They're only available in Europe because we can't use window AC here.