It isn't enough to simply block ads, we need to cost advertisers and have them pay for every ad not viewed.

We need a final solution to the ad problem.

Rather than block ads outright, they are simply hidden. The idea is to simulate legitimate views. It should also report stats to the user on ads 'viewed' and estimate the amount of $ advertisers have lost/wasted.


Ad blockers not ethical when compared to an ad view simulator, because ad blockers do not cost money to advertisers. Ad blockers simply reduce the amount of money advertisers hand out (less views/clicks).


This is more ethical than a traditional ad blocker because it costs advertisers money and causes losses to advertisers without them being rewarded with views. This would deicentivise ad creep where ads are pushed into everything an enshitify everything until people have enough and leave.

We are already well past the point where ads have invaded paid ad-free services - if enough people pay for an ad free service or go somewhere else - the advertisers follow them like rats following humanity no matter where they go. And they bring with them a plague (ads).

Advertisers have developed a keen 'sense of smell' with powerful noses so to speak - where ever peoples attention shifts - ads are sure to follow, they weasel their way in and ultimately seep in like slime through cracks in a bunker.

>>105658396 (OP)
Ad viewing simulation is a resistance to unethical systems of forced ads (which are forced exploitation of user attention). Simulated views that cost advertisers are a form of protest

There are technical challenges like IntersectionObserver returns that the ad is 'on-screen'. Mouse movement or scroll simulation and avoiding click-fraud detection etc.

But I dont think this ultimately a problem. Because its estimated 50% of ad spending is already fraudulent with a part of it being due to bots farming ad views. If bots can do it, we can get that concept/tech into an ad blocker too.

The idea is that the more we can cause losses to advertisers, the more ethical it is.

Advertising is a societal net loss. Do not forget that. The global ad spend is around 890 billion a year at this point.

This is an opportunity cost. This money isn't fake, it is still representative of resources. This money could be spent by clients of advertisers on R&D even if they solely spend it on themselves and their own products and services - this could greatly uplift society, technology, etc

The harm we can cause to advertisers, the better and more ethical for everyone it is.

Companies are investing in short term psychological innovation rather than product improvement and are rewarded for attention grabbing instead of solving real problems

Billions of hours per year spent on watching or resisting ads could be spent better. Ads often manufacture insecurity to sell solutions. Overexposure correlates with health decline, especially in young people.

Ads often cannabilise organic sales.

Ad "Fraud" is not rampant enough. Not until they get the message.

>>105658399
*short term psychological manipulation

>>105658396 (OP)
trannyfox had an extension just like this until it was (((delisted))) from their (((store)))

already exists
https://adnauseam.io/

>>105658396 (OP)
Your idea was done forever ago by Adnauseum, Google hated it and it was banned by both them and Firefox.

>>105658459
Was going to post this, adnauseum was extremely popular for a while

>>105658459
>https://adnauseam.io/
Installed. Hopefully it works. But it needs to become more mainstream, not even that specific project, but the concept and tech should be rolled out to all ad blockers imho.

I hope even a small AI model could be develop to simulate user mouse behaviour to avoid click fraud detection and bot farm ad fraud skyrockets, thatd be really nice.

>>105658471
>>105658466
Well to be fair, it is very anti-semitic

>>105658481
Ad nauseum did break into mainstream for a brief moment (as far as as blockers go) which resulted in it being blacklisted from extension stores

>>105658471
If it actually works properly, people should be posting it in every ad-block thread desu.

>>105658466
It's still available on Firefox?
It's even there on Firefox android too.

>>105658550
appears I misremembered, I thought Mozilla banned it too but it's available on the addon store.

What's wrong with ads

>>105658882
What's wrong with you?

>block ads and waste ad money
>googlel goes bankrupt and shuts down
>there is no search engine or youtube
>internet is basically kill

good job retards

>>105659234
>>internet is basically kill

>>105659234
That's the goal, anon. capeesh

>>105659244
>>105659252

>>105659234
Can you imagine?

>>105659234

>>105658396 (OP)
No, I will not load the advertisers' scripts so they can fingerprint me anyway. They turn that into money too.
I'll stay with blocking.

Realistically we need to make the data useless, not 'less profitable'. One way that's been proposed to do this is by utilizing fake service calls to poison personal data wells making advertising less effective and thus the driving the buying power behind personal data down. These things have to happen off of app stores while the community uses word of mouth to keep them in use enough to be effective. In other words: fucking longshot to get someone to do that without any financial incentive

>>105658396 (OP)
>Advertisement seems less effective to advertiser
>Negotiates lower prices
>Buys more ads with the lower price
>Also gets even more intrusive so the ad company can justify higher rates again
>Now ads are simply worse and everyone loses

I kinda like the idea tho. There should be some way to pull off something similar

>>105658396 (OP)
The better idea is not to use Brave because it was found by privacy researchers to have high levels on telemetry on top of being based on Manifest V3 which is confirmed google spyware that makes it impossible to turn off browser fingerprinting from ad companies that track you across the web.

>>105661409
When all browsers become chromium and Google can control web standards there's going to be some hard-core denuvo style drm that will make sites unusable without their bs

>>105661409
I've tested Brave myself and outside of a couple connections it makes to its servers for auto updates and what not, it doesn't collect shit. It's worse than Ungoogled Chromium, but a lot better than something like Edge or normal Chromium.

>>105658396 (OP)
That's still a waste of CPU cycles.
The idea of adblocker is to reduce unnecessary resource usage.