Is Windows On ARM dead ? No one talks about Snapdragon X Elite laptops anymore

>>105665017 (OP)
x86 is the only future proof platform
nobody wants to recompile their applications for 184749726484264 different phone models everytime an iteration takes place.

>>105665017 (OP)
windows dominance is reliant on backwards compatibility. developers focus their time and effort on largest markets. microsoft cannot sit on both platforms - it is either x86, or arm, otherwise it is double effort and double expenses. even for apple (much smaller and consumer-only market) it is a 10-year-long trip to completely get rid off x86 backward compatibility (2020-2027 os support, and then 3 more years of long-term additional support).
now imagine what a hell it would be to migrate entire x86 world to arm. this will never happen. there are still enterprise systems out there running dos or windows 98/xp.

>>105665092
Somehow ARM works fine with macOS and Linux.

Windows on arm for snapdragon/qualcum is dead . nvidia is about to release a chip that will be RTX 4070 laptop tier but use less than half the power that usually takes . Thank you Jen-sun

>>105665017 (OP)
A lot of Mac users use Windows on ARM in a VM.

>>105665580
And no linux support like njudea cards on linux, it will only support windows on arms KEK.

/aig/ - ARM Indignation General

Welcome to /aig/ - ARM Indignation General

Unlike the UEFI Forum that oversees x86 OEMs and mandates all x86 PCs implement UEFI and allow end users to run any code they want, including bootloaders for any OS they want, ARM allows complete "freedom" for corponigger ARM OEMs to release billions upon billions of completely locked down unserviceable unmaintainable planned obsolescence 5-year-lifespan-maximum ARM devices with zero user freedoms.
When's the last time you saw a functioning ARM computer older than 5 years? How about 10 years?
x86 computers from 1980 are still in use to this day, running trains, power plants, factories, even nuclear missile silos, and they're all completely serviceable with original parts from 1980, or after market parts made 4 decades later.

UEFI has existed for two decades, BIOS for four decades, ARM has been around nearly that entire time and has outright refused to standardize or mandate a booting system that gives users even a shred of freedom. ARM have sat back for decades and enabled and encouraged ARM OEMs to completely and totally fuck ARM users with planned obsolescence in the name of profits. They have completely infested the mobile industry with their locked down shit ISA and now want to infest the desktop industry as well.

ARM is a cancerous blight on computing whose only function is to strip away and undermine the ideals and principles of personal computing freedoms and liberties by forcing normies to accept having zero freedoms.
ARM is the single greatest threat to computing freedoms in the history of computers.
Not surprisingly ARM was co-founded and funded by the most freedom-hating globohomonigger corporation in history: Apple.

ITT we discuss non-ARM ISAs from the past (6502, 68000, Alpha, Itanium, PA-RISC, SuperH, VAX, Z80, PDP-11), the present (x86, MIPS, SPARC) and the future (RISC-V, etc).

>>105666394
Autism

>>105665429
>>105666566
Thanks, but I'm sticking with AMD64.

>>105665017 (OP)
The only reason people put up with M$ bullshit is because of software compatibility. If you have to fuck around with compatibility layers, you might as well do it on MacOS or Linux and avoid M$ bullshit

No one talks about ARM, because ARM is shit and gay (created by a br*tish troon, Roger Wilson).

x86(_64) is the white man's CPU architecture that is timeless and will never die.

>>105665017 (OP)
Microsoft just can't compete with apple.

>>105665017 (OP)
I'm typing this reply on a Snapdragon Windows laptop.

As long as the pricing stays competitive, I don't see a reason for them to go away. x86 emulation "just werks" for almost everything, so even with minimal development, it functions like any other computer for the average person. Battery life is excellent, and so are thermals.

>>105666893
cope. windows is the white man's os

>>105666951
>Battery life is excellent,
it loses to some lunar lake chips. why not just get lunar lake and know that everything will run

>>105665429
Have you ever seen Mac OS running on other arms CPUs ?

>>105666884
nice kmart polyester suit, fag. Really good work you did over there at intel. Im sure Jesus is proud of all the diversity initiatives you founded

>>105665017 (OP)
>No one talks about Snapdragon X Elite laptops
Because you fuckers can't understand that the ISA does not matter and what actually matters is the implementation around it.
Both Intel and AMD have started putting a focus on battery life ever since the new macbooks came out.

In addition to that:
- Qualcomm drivers suck(THEY LET OEMS HANDLE THE DRIVERS)
- Windows on ARM is broken with no support for work applications
- Copilot AI laptops LMAO
- Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm(Meanwhile companies like System76 can use great Ampere chips because they don't shove Windows down your throat.)

>>105666223
Nvidia has prioritized Linux support ever since AI became really popular.

>>105665017 (OP)
>No one talks about Snapdragon X Elite laptops anymore
Because they stopped being paid to talk about snapdragon x elite laptops.

>>105668109
>Meanwhile companies like System76 can use great Ampere chips
they make exactly 1 computer with this chip and its a massive tower that starts at $3300. All their stuff is extremely overpriced

>>105665017 (OP)
Not only is ARM dead (or should be)… but
RISC itself is long dead.
We figured out in the 80s (or in the 70s more likely) that if you implement enough logic or die space, you can make almost any CISC instruction 1 clock cycle. This started to come through in the first CPUs that had hardware multiply.

Even the epitome of RISC, IBM’s POWER processors had ridiculously overpowered CISC instructions like LSCBX.

ARM is such a mess, we’re not even done cracking one implementation before we’re trying to get on another.

>>105668163
I don't think it's over priced.
Yeah you can always build your own thing for much cheaper.
But when you buy a desktop you buy support.

Working people don't mind paying money if it means getting shit done.

>>105666884
>created by a br*tish troon, Roger Wilson)
he wasn't a troon when he worked for Acorn in 1985, he trooned out in the mid 90s.

I have an ARM Surface (Microsoft mostly phased out the intel ones). Too bad that the Tor project doesn't make a arm native version of their browser. Also I fell for the Asahi Linux meme back in 2020.

>>105665017 (OP)
doesnt ms sell arm surfaces?

>>105668035
Yeah, I'm sure the current chink at charge of the company is doing better.

Oh wait, he's just laying off even more people than Pat did, and he has no long-term plan like Pat had. Amazing job, Intel's board of directors.

>>105665416
>windows dominance is reliant on
bribery
>otherwise it is double effort and double expenses
>it is a 10-year-long trip to completely get rid off x86 backward compatibility
>now imagine what a hell it would be to migrate entire x86 world to arm
>there are still enterprise systems out there running dos or windows 98/xp.
no one cares windows are a monopoly most apps are web apps(i wonder why) they will just force you and extort even more money from you and others
>>105668275
>We figured out in the 80s (or in the 70s more likely) that if you implement enough logic or die space, you can make almost any CISC instruction 1 clock cycle. This started to come through in the first CPUs that had hardware multiply.
this is not about technicalities but about licensing
ARMs licensing is less restrictive than x86
RISC is even better
what will succeed and what will fail will entirely depend on politics and money

>>105666884
>>105668897
Why does tech seem to have much high rates of trannies than everywhere else?

Where's the next chip already? I want to see how it's going to improve over time. The lack of their help for linux support annoyed me. The lack of desktop hardware killed off the last of my interest. Have those chinese mini PCs even shipped yet? The progress is so slow. Broadcom fucked everything up.

>>105670528
>bribery
Anything just to not admit that 99% of the population won't use an operating system with no software that can't even decide on how to render their windows huh
>muh bribery
>muh prebuilds
>muh poettering
>muh redhat/ibm/ms
It's like a tribal ritual song and dance at this point.

>>105670579
You're missing one degree of separation: Autism
Tech attracts a lot of autists
Autists are more likely to troon out

>>105670661
>Where's the next chip already
ARM and Qualcomm are currently suing each other

/aig/ - ARM Indignation General

Welcome to /aig/ - ARM Indignation General

Unlike the UEFI Forum that oversees x86 OEMs and mandates all x86 PCs implement UEFI and allow end users to run any code they want, including bootloaders for any OS they want, ARM allows complete "freedom" for corponigger ARM OEMs to release billions upon billions of completely locked down unserviceable unmaintainable planned obsolescence 5-year-lifespan-maximum ARM devices with zero user freedoms.
When's the last time you saw a functioning ARM computer older than 5 years? How about 10 years?
x86 computers from 1980 are still in use to this day, running trains, power plants, factories, even nuclear missile silos, and they're all completely serviceable with original parts from 1980, or after market parts made 4 decades later.

UEFI has existed for two decades, BIOS for four decades, ARM has been around nearly that entire time and has outright refused to standardize or mandate a booting system that gives users even a shred of freedom. ARM have sat back for decades and enabled and encouraged ARM OEMs to completely and totally fuck ARM users with planned obsolescence in the name of profits. They have completely infested the mobile industry with their locked down shit ISA and now want to infest the desktop industry as well.

ARM is a cancerous blight on computing whose only function is to strip away and undermine the ideals and principles of personal computing freedoms and liberties by forcing normies to accept having zero freedoms.
ARM is the single greatest threat to computing freedoms in the history of computers.
Not surprisingly ARM was co-founded and funded by the most freedom-hating globohomonigger corporation in history: Apple.

ITT we discuss non-ARM ISAs from the past (6502, 68000, Alpha, Itanium, PA-RISC, SuperH, VAX, Z80, PDP-11), the present (x86, MIPS, SPARC) and the future (RISC-V, etc).

>>105671261
>When's the last time you saw a functioning ARM computer older than 5 years? How about 10 years?
The oldest ARM device I know that sees somewhat regular use would be the Nintendo 3DS, which doesn't really help ARM's case but I still find it kinda funny

>>105671383
thats not a computer you dumb nigger

>>105671480
I said "device", and outright stated that it didn't help ARM's case

everything went to shit the moment they put panos in charge of windows.

>>105673067
>panos
?

>>105675618
panos panay, the creator of the surface line. He was in charge of hardware but then they put him in charge of windows too, he was responsible for windows 11. He left MS like two years ago for amazon, so he's pretty much responsible of this alexa+ mess.

>We're releasing Snapdragon X, it's totally gonna be an Apple killer guys. We're gonna come out with a dev kit so all the Windows devs are onboard making native ARM builds, and there's gonna be first class Linux support too
>Sell the dev kit for $900 instead of subsidizing it to encourage devs to make ARM builds, delay it over and over, finally ship months after retail Snapdragon X devices hit shelves
>Everyone's forced to run all their software in x86 emulation with crashes and compatibility bugs
>Make the selling point of Snapdragon X laptops "it comes with a bundled keylogger"
>Worse battery life and performance than Apple M3 from a year earlier
>Architect the system so adding Linux support involves individually adding every single Snapdragon laptop model to the kernel, don't contribute any developers to getting Linux running well
>A few months later, Intel comes out with mobile x86 chips that have better performance and battery life except you don't have to deal with emulation, making Snapdragon X pointless

Wow nice job Qualcomm

>>105671261
Will you stop endlessly reposing this bullshit. The UEFI Forum have no authority to make OEMs do anything.

>>105665092
>x86-64-v1 (considered deprecated and dropped)
>x86-64-v2 (SSE3+SSE4)
>x86-64-v3 (AVX2)
>x86-64-v4 (AVX512)

>>105677871
>each piece of software is fully backwards and forwards compatible with every iteration
So, what's your point?

>>105678201
try running modern software on an Athlon64

i i sure hope so !