>you WILL have ze durable, repairable and energy-efficient phone
And I'll enjoy it

Oh yeah I'm sure this will go well

>>105686901 (OP)
"Smartphones" are so worthless, EU should unironically ban them. Phones are not serious computers never were never will be, use a fucking desktop or laptop, fuck you and your 7inch brick in your pocket jeet fucks, baka.

why don't we just legislate them to give us the phones for free, that would save consumers even more mooney

>>105686901 (OP)
notice how the commies don't mandate unlocked bootloader

How about EU force Google to drop Play Integrity and force OEMs to release device trees and allow the bootloader to be unlocked? Not only are these requirements less restrictive, they matter more than half the shit here.

>>105686911
>>105686923
There are literally no downsides for the consumer in this

>phone manufacturers pulling the ladder up from under them
good luck creating a startup manufacturing new phones with restrictions like that right off the bat

>>105686917
I literally cannot use my banks website without a phone.

>>105686930
What are the benefits to consumers?

>>105687001
being able to use your computer

>>105686929
>>105686930
I doubt they even know what that means

>>105686901 (OP)
I don't know why people are so insistent that this is all some bad practice or draconian in some way

>>105687002
Unless you can find tangible benefits, eu won't do it.

>>105687007
You underestimate your enemies. Just because they play dumb doesn't mean they are.

>>105686901 (OP)
>7 years of spare parts
Exactly how do they plan to enforce this? Factories will not keep producing old parts because of reduced demand. ((((They)))) will just make the same amount of parts and limit the supply rate claiming
>out of stock for now
while the parts are actually somewhere in a storehouse until the 7y are up.

Also, repairing a phone costs like a new phone, might as well buy a new one.

EU is idealistic as usual.

>>105687111
They want to enforce longevity of parts. 7 years is min lifespan of a phone. If factories won't make new parts and replacing them is impossible because they didn't outsource it to 3rd party. They will be fined.

>>105686901 (OP)
We just need batteries we can replace quickly without disassembling a phone.

>>105687111
>Also, repairing a phone costs like a new phone, might as well buy a new one.
Ever considered why it is like that? The whole point is to change things

>>105687015
americans are not "people", they are consoomer NPCs

>>105686901 (OP)
BASED, thanks for giving me fraction of what we had 40y ago.
can't wait for the mass surveillance law to pass too.

>>105686901 (OP)
shouldn't you be in a trench in the Ukraine right now?

>>105687250
>can't wait for the mass surveillance law to pass too
The DSA already passed.
The law to require an government ID will be done this year.

>>105687268
Amazing, I love how EU is becoming the forefront of the free world.
As long as we fight Russian propaganda I have nothing to hide, it's for our own good.

>>105686930
>>105686994
Hardware attestation, hardware attestation everywhere.
Then age/id verification in every app store. Even Instagram is pressuring the legislators and promote it in their ads.

>>105687133
>If factories won't make new parts
Nobody said that.

Spare parts available isn't the same as spare parts being produced.
When you buy a battery of a phone that is four years old, you get a shelfed battery that is already two years old.
Never noticed how your "new" battery is dead within month, while your original held for two years?

If you ever owned a German car, you will know that the costs of their spare parts explode with age.
That's because they are out of production, and shelfed units get sold. They technically never run out of them, they just get more and more expensive.
I recently had a broken hydraulic pump in my German car that once was 300 €, but is now 3500 €.
Germans are the world champions when its about ripping you off with spare parts for old products.

most people just dont care that much about their phone

>>105687016
You don't need freedom, there is no benefit to freedom!
Having a BIOS / UEFI equivalent on ARM, meaning that you can install any OS you like and not get spied on by big tech? No usecase!

>>105687331
Until the personal ESG score is lowered by 50 points because of renewing their smartphone every year.

>>105687111
>>7 years of spare parts
>Exactly how do they plan to enforce this? Factories will not keep producing old parts because of reduced demand.
Apple will still replace the battery or screen of your iPhone XR (2018).
There is a reason why people are using Apple products. Longevity and good support.

>>105687394
The only reason Apple can provide good support is because their profit margins are so big that they can just give people replacement products on a whim to keep them happy. They maintain these profit margins by making slop products, just like everyone else.
Apple is going to respond to this legislation as spitefully as possible, not just to salvage their profits, but to demonstrate to the EU that they are an American company and therefore above consequences.

If you commies want better products, have Tim Apple and his next five replacement CEOs killed.

>>105686929
>muh bootloader
Just by a Experia bro

>>105687344
>Having a BIOS / UEFI equivalent on ARM, meaning that you can install any OS you like and not get spied on by big tech?
It may lead to terrorism and people falling prey to dangerous ideas that are antidemocratic, making us more susceptible to Russian disinformation and propaganda like a self feeding loop.
Imagine if kids start installing random insecure OSs on their devices, that will make them target for the Russian hackers.
It's better to limit some of the user freedom now instead of letting them fall prey to ideas that will lead to antidemocratic sentiments that will limit all of our freedom on future.

>>105686973
There are multiple actually.
More regulations usually mean that the product will costs more because companies have to comply with a ever increasing number of rules, this happens directly like regulations applied on a specific industry sector, or indirectly like the cost of transportation.
Regulations are also a barrier of entry on new companies. Some regulations are actually pushed by big corporations who can absorb the cost of them, so that the competition will not be able to sustain themselves in the long run. Others are pushed so that to comply the small companies need services or products made by those big corporations.
t. Eurochad who knows a bit of how the economy works.

>>105687268
The mass surveillance law is called chat control and has not passed. It's pushed by that swedish karen bitch.
Companies under the DSA are legally obligated to remove CSAM, but are not responsible for detecting it. Many do so voluntarily because they are allowed to do it via a special derogation under the e-privacy directive law.

>>105687394
Lol, they'll ask you for 400 - 600 € and replace your phone with a refurbished one. All your data on the phone will be gone if you didn't made a backup beforehand.

>>105687522
>It's pushed by that swedish karen bitch
Anons, are you really that naive to think that something of that magnitude is pushed by some rando bitch?

i wish canada was this based

>>105687328
This is going against the nature of the law. Replacement needs to be as good as new, refurbished is fine but they cannot be faulty. And if I buy a battery and it goes bad within 2 years I'll return it because I have a warranty.

>>105687522
>Regulations are also a barrier of entry on new companies
Works fine for the fairphone (albeit it being more of a hobby phone than truly normiesafe)

>>105687344
How is your freedom blocked because your phone doesn't have an open bootloader? Do you just say words without understanding their implications?

>>105687562
If I want to install a different ROM on the phone that I _own_ that is my prerogative.

>>105687619
How is your freedom affected by this? Again do you understand what word freedom means or are you a moron who doesn't understand what words mean in proper context?

>>105687189
A part of repair costs will be included into the price of the phone. Yeah, repairing will appear more profitable at first glance, but people who don't throw phones like rocks will pay for people with hands growing out of ass.

Each time govt interferes into the market, the regular people pay.

>>105687394
Yeah if you pay 1000/year in apple care, otherwise pay 2000 for repairs.
Nice b8 m8.

>>105687632
How is your freedom blocked because you can't install anything other than windows 11 on your laptop?

>>105687676
So you can't answer simple question because you do not understand the definition of words?
Way to show you being absolute retard. Instead of trying to get a gotcha how about you take time to learn what freedom means in this context when we talk about the EU and legislation.

>>105687537
I know the group is much larger, that bitch it at the forefront and is the original author though.

>>105687557
>580 € for a phone with 5-year-old specs
Hmm...

>>105687562
>>105687632
>>105687689
Your freedom applies to you and your property.
If you can't do whatever you want on things that you own, then your freedom is being limited.

>>105687689
I don't give a fuck about your bastardized definitions. I should be able to install whatever the fuck I want on my phone and the manufacturer should not intentionally prevent me to do so.
Fuck you, kill yourself. Thanks.

>>105687740
>I don't give a shit about the topic at hand
No, I figured. This is why you will always be a faggot who achieved nothing.

>>105686901 (OP)
i love how the EU still thinks its relevant
doesnt produce anything, has almost no industry. only consumes, poorer and poorer each year

EU is a scam.

>>105687111
And they'll get away with it because nobody wants to repair their phones, they prefer just buying new ones so the parts will last 10 years if needed

>>105686901 (OP)
>live in a EU shithole
>a lot of talk going around about how we get poorfag versions of same products
>for example polish nutella is not as good as italian one that's sold in the west
>local politician runs for EU parliament on that platform and wins
>makes motions and new laws to ban having different versions of the same product
>universally lauded by everyone and marketed as a giant leap forward
>years later today nutella still sells a shit version on our market and the whole thing gets memoryholed
Remember that this whole circus is just a reality show that globohomo runs for the people to be entertained with low level politics so that they don't interfere with the ecumenical holistic system of dollars

>>105686929
An unlockable bootloader is bad, but a locked bootloader is good for security, iirc you can lock yout bootloader back in grapheneOS

>>105687522
You do not understand how companies work. New companies will ALWAYS have more expensive products, so they will focus on quality more rather than qunatity. See for example System76. They know they cannot compete with giant Chinese multinationals so they go all-in on quality and longevity. This will affect precisely zero small companies since they have been doing this already. And in the long run buying longer lasting hardware pays off ... if you want something cheaper you might as well buy second hand.

>commie nations that are already known for their strict green mafia regulations come up with even more regulations that make the competitive environment of the free market useless
I can't see any downsides to this, the consumer definitely wins.

>>105688309
Why does the freedom to replace your battery make you angry?
Big tech is the EU's bitch and will do what it says just like Apple uses USB-C.

>>105686901 (OP)
i've literally never had any piece of electronics that wasn't abused or accidentally damaged fail other than from battery wear.

>>105688800
Europe never had a free market mutt bro. Go back to eating plastic artificial cheese and eat some deregulated opium painkillers

>>105686929
>>105686930
those are software rules, not hardware like this one, and they are coming in some form
>>105687111
the same is done in many other sectors, its mandatory in cars for example

>>105686901 (OP)
Literal fascism. We should be bombing the eurokeks together with Russia instead of attacking our based and trad quasi-semitic friends in the middle east. They do need a regime change though.

>>105686917
How are they gonna force digital ID social credit and CBDC tracking on you without one?
>>105686929
>>105686930
How they gonna stop you from dodging the government mandated spyware then?
>>105686982
Competition been dead for years this just puts the final nail in the coffin not that anyone would've tried anyways, I guess this is the end for those Linux dev phone prototypes, they can't afford this shit
>>105687007
Oh they do they enforce it on their own spyware to not run on anything slightly modified