Now that Synology literally and figuratively killed themselves, what out-of-the-box brand NAS does /g/ intend to switch to? I'm simply refusing to pay 30% premium tax for no good reason.

>>105687955 (OP)
a retired enterprise server and a shit ton of "refurbished" SAS drives
>inb4 out-of-the-box only !!1!
get off /g/

>>105687977
I always wanted to build my own file server. How much watts per TB does yours consume?

>>105687955 (OP)
>Now that Synology literally and figuratively killed themselves
How so?

>>105687955 (OP)
Just build your own.

How come an rpi5 can’t power a NAS sufficiently enough?

>>105687955 (OP)
qrd on synology

>>105688058
New Synology models only support Synology-branded HDDs.

When my DS920+ either stops working or my needs outgrow it, I'll just build a custom solution.

If I'm lucky, ZFS AnyRaid will be ready by then.

>>105688058
No money in consumer goods. Their consumer NAS don't break and last ages, which is bad for business. New business model focuses on enterprise only, and enterprise customers want both NAS and HDD with dedicated support and warranty. Synology buys HDD and rebrands them, then upcharges for service and warranty.

tldr consumer HDD no longer work in their new models

>>105688221
absolutely homosexual

>>105688186
premium products
premium prices
premium software support

It's the Apple of NAS.

All of their devices have SSH access. Just remove the lockout and keep using your own drives. Is /g/ really this incompetent?

>you're retarded for getting a nas to store your porn that you only consume on one computer anyway

>>105687955 (OP)
>used or cheap computer, or a raspi and some USB/SATA adapters
>big hard disks
>Ubuntu or some other Linux
>check the box to use LVM during install if you like
>install Samba

>>105687955 (OP)
I grabbed on of those ugreen ones they keep shilling about and installed truenas on it. Works perfect although I miss the nice file browser but I’m fairly confident my data ain’t gonna shit itself up.

>>105688243
>It's the Apple of NAS.
Except base Mac models are actually quite decent value. Meanwhile Synology will give you 4 GB of RAM.

>>105687955 (OP)
>literally and figuratively killed themselves
What happened?

>>105688239
>Their consumer NAS don't break and last ages
Tho they make them with severe lack of ram so when major update comes it becomes slow and borderline unusable. Stuff from apple playbook really.

>>105688446
>Tho they make them with severe lack of ram so when major update comes it becomes slow and borderline unusable.
Thankfully you can upgrade them, even with third-party RAM (as the first-party upgrades are priced like gold). I have a total of 20 GB in mine.

>>105688454
can't do shit on low end ones, I even tried soldering new ram modules but there's no way of tripping new ram size so it only reads stock size.
moved to proxmox+xpenology and drives mapped directly to vm, works great

>>105688435
>base Mac models are actually quite decent value

No.

>>105688437
Literally hardware DRM

>>105688058
>>105688186
>>105688437
If you buy any of the DS##25+ stuff going forward, you cannot use any HDDs other than Synology branded ones (there's already a workaround lol https://github.com/007revad/Synology_HDD_db/blob/main/2025_plus_models.md#setting-up-a-new-2025-or-later-plus-model-with-only-unverified-hdds)
Basically implying that Synology has given up on consumer market and are focusing specifically on businesses going forward, aka the market that most likely won't care about this stuff.
So either buy used models if you want in on their ecosystem, or mess around with the competitors. Ultimately the best solution is building your own.

>>105687955 (OP)
heard people are moving to ugreens or asustors
they're all taiwan/chinkshit at the end of the day, diy it if you don't want to deal with that nonsense

>>105688662
A big problem I found was it seemed pretty difficult finding a decent case with hot swap bays that wasn’t some sort of rack unit. Also there’s a lot of reassurance in using a solution you know a significant amount of people are using because when something weird happens someone usually has some sort of fix or workaround for it.

>>105688432
>>105688662
Imagine storing your data on a device from a charger company. Couldn't be me.

>>105688767
You can get chink ITX cases with 4-bay hotswap for about $50 of ali. Some even have a pci slot.
You get to choose your own mobo and psu, no need to deal with proprietary chinkshit.

>>105688836
It has dual 10G ethernet.

>>105687977
>noise level of a jet engine
>idles at 500W
nothing personnel kid

>>105688186
Chinkoid nas vendor

>>105688243
a $500 m4 mac mini destroys any $500 synology
(performance, ram, power efficiency, peripherals)
even a used $250 m1 mac mini still better than synology

>>105689367
A mac mini isnt a nas dipshit

>>105689367
>$500 m4 mac mini destroys any $500 synology
you can't run synology os on mac and that's the whole point of synology

>>105689367
Does it come with hot swap drive cages?

>>105689450
doesn't need cages, storage is welded to motherboard for your convenience.

>>105689381
>>105689399
it's just few clicks to enable smb, ssh, vnc etc

>>105689450
it comes with 40GB/s thunderbolt ports so you can connect fast and quiet nvme drives instead of spinning rust

>>105689467
>implying synology os isn't installed on some slow internal emmc storage

> what out-of-the-box brand NAS
Same as always, none. Build your own.

>>105689367
But with the gimped IO on macs you will need some thunderbolt (or at least usb3) hard drive cages.
>can connect fast and quiet nvme drives instead
Terrible price then. And pointless since the mac doesn't have network ports fast enough for more than HDD speeds.

>>105689481
>smb, ssh, vnc etc
If it was only that my man. It would take days in not weeks to setup everything syno box has... out of the box also phone apps... And not that I'm shilling for them, I'm kinda sad there ain't anything that is comparable and free. I'm not even using synology anymore but synology os in vm with all the risks that come with it.
>>105689481
>slow internal emmc
not how synology works

>>105689467
I'll take 20.

I have a gorillion SATA ports in my desktop PC (it's some weird HP prebuilt whose guts all come out of serverland) so I'm just gonna use those

iirc i think i have like 8-10 total sata ports? idk i havent opened her up in a while

>>105690341
correction i had a look and there's six. that's still a lot imo

>>105688421
>just use a pi, bro
>just use usb hard drives, bro
just kys, bro

>>105689320
You just put it where you can't hear it, dipshit. It's a headless networked machine, it has no reason to be at your desk

>>105689481
>it comes with 40GB/s thunderbolt ports so you can connect fast and quiet nvme drives instead of spinning rust
Yes, dongle hell. Wouldn't want to confuse and frighten the fruit computer user by straying outside of the standard operating model.

>>105687955 (OP)
I have always bought Synology for my SMB clients, but over the years, their faggotry and prices kept increasing beyond a reasonable point. Few months ago I bought an old piece of shit PowerEdge R510 with dual Xeons, 32GB RAM, old Mellanox SFP+ NIC, stuffed it with 2x 120GB SATA SSD and 8x 4TB used WD Reds, installed TrueNAS on it and after a bit of fuckery it just werks. There is still some freetardation to be ironed out, but even something newer and flashier, e.g. PowerEdge R740xd with new HDDs will serve reasonably well for the SMB use cases and cost 1/3 of comparable Synology NAS.

>>105687955 (OP)
retard here. whats the deal with full disk-encryption and backing up data over multiple drives with these things. is it possible to full disk encrypt and still have protection from multiple drive failures or no?
I know i could just encrypt single folders but i like using FDE for all my OS. Just dont know if that becomes an issue when spreading your data over multiple drives. Have a old synology i have not put to use yet if it can be done but will diy / spend $$ if needed?
Want to finally sort out all my data but not have it irrecoverable because of some dumb thing i did like when a drive dies or corruption

>>105691346
Encryption, RAIDs and backups are not mutually exclusive, if thats what youre asking

>>105691634
When looking up FDE on synology it seems its not available just volumes. So this led me to believe its not possible if you are doing some sort of SHR-2 /raid type protections for drive failure. So just synology cant do FDE and Ill need another solution?

new i3 n355 mobo's sure look promising for nas builds.

is there any reason for a NAS beyond larp? even if you are running a legitimate server out of your house that has actual users that aren't within wifi range of you, would you not be better served by directly attached storage

>>105689513
>It would take days in not weeks to setup everything syno box has
What?
Anon, please don't lie on the internet.

>>105689320
>500

More like 1KW

1. Why do i need nas?
2. What is advantage of nas?
3. How to protect nas drives from malicous software?

>>105692233
You can turn off one PC and keep others running.

>>105693145
I am only one man. I only need one PC.

>>105692956
>What is advantage of nas?
Filestore you can access from several computers. If you need that. Different cost model to shoving it all in the clown.

>>105692233
I use a NAS because I dual boot Linux and Windows.
Windows has a tendency to fuck things up when another OS writes to what it considers her own system.

>>105691346
With Synology you encrypt volumes, not disks.

You normally combine multiple disks into a single storage pool, which is your redundant array with possibly some SSD cache.
Then you create one or more volumes on the storage pool, and encrypt them as needed.

It's nice because you have have, say, one encrypted porn volume only you have the keys for, one encrypted volume with personal files you and your girlfriend have keys to and an unencrypted volume with normal movies, music, etc.

And then you can make encrypted remote backups of just your personal files volume and perhaps the favorites folder inside your porn volume.

>>105693550
I only need one PC as well but got three. What's your point?

>>105687955 (OP)
qnap
asustor

It's a huge shame because the software is really good.
They should go the other way and sell software licenses while letting people use whichever hardware they want.

$10 per month wouldn't be unreasonable for the software alone.

>>105692956
You own your digital assets.

When you consume cloud-based services, you are subdued to the provider's user policy. If they don't like what you are storing on their infrastructure, they can eliminate it.

When you own your domestic infrastructure, you define your own user policy. You are in control. Of course, to operate complexity is part of preserve your Freedom.

>>105687955 (OP)
Im building a NAS from my old PC, i7 6700k
>>105688074
because it has dogshit IO

>>105687955 (OP)
>Now that Synology literally and figuratively killed themselves
Proof next thread

>>105693550
>need
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>>105688395
>you're retarded
How so?
My computer uses a lot of power I put it to sleep when not using it. The 10watt computer automagically downloads shit for me 24x7
Fucking space magic.
Wow

Is nas very power hungry?
Should i unplug it durring thunderstorms in my sagged moldy shitpit of house?

Is there a downside to using something like a NUC connected to a multi-drive enclosure over dedicated NAS hardware?

>>105694596
The fuck is nuc?

>>105688227
Same. Synology is going for the “Control the hardware, the software, and the experience = higher margins and brand loyalty.” Which is perhaps good for some users.

>>105688239
Time for a jailbreak hack.

>>105694676
>A NUC, which stands for Next Unit of Computing, is a small form factor computer, often referred to as a mini PC, developed by Intel. It's designed to offer powerful computing performance in a compact size, suitable for a variety of uses, from business and gaming to home entertainment.

>>105694807
you're the type of person that uses "xerox" as a verb, arent you

>>105688227
Right here.
Build your own Nas.

>>105694596
Better yet, just tape a raspberry pi on the drive enclosure and call it a day.

>>105694984
Unironically This.

You dont need a high-end CPU or tons of ram if you're just trying host a file share on your local network. ARM SBCs barely use any power & can
used with fanless heatsink cases.

>>105688446
My DS1522+ has 32gb of ecc. Can't see that becoming obsolete for a file server any time within the useful lifespan of this device. Though the included ram is quite limiting, they aren't soldered in like ugreen trash

>>105688240
Not being able to use third party drives sucks because you can't benefit from rejected shipments of enterprise drives that periodically flood sites like serverpartdeals with very cheap new drives.

The synology drives will never be available or ordered in such volume for an event like that to happen...

The models up to 16tb are still... bearable. Overpriced but not egregious. 18tb and up is where synology are absolute lunatics. $900 for 18tb drives. No cutting edge capacities even available. These are ultimately just rebranded Toshiba enterprise drives also. Dumb as fuck.

>>105695202
raspis are expensive garbage people buy because they don't know good SBCs exist

also using a weak ass computer for an actual nas is a joke, if you need this tier of performance just keep buying 5TB externals from Costco

>>105695349
>just keep buying 5TB externals from Costco
is there any actual reason to NOT do this

again, if it's just you in your mommy's basement the main use case is storage of stuff to consoom. transfer rates of usb even through dongle/hub hell are more than sufficient for all those 2002 360p diaper porn videos you're watching

>>105695349
Obviously you could get something with an RK3588 if you need more horsepower for stuff like real-time media encoding or built in NVME support.

The Raspberry Pi5 is admittedly an overpriced joke, but you can still get a Pi4 brand new for less than $50.

Pic related is my Radxa Rock5B. It’s easily one of the best options if you wanna build your own low power/silent home server, but a prior gen Raspberry Pi + external HDD is still a great budget option

x86 is still laughably bad in terms of performance to power usage. ARM is a no brainer for home servers IMO

>inb4 “idle power usage”. Yeah intel NUCs are great at idle, but still use 3x the wattage when you actually ask them to do work

>>105695520
>is there any actual reason to NOT do this
backup is tedious
>transfer rates of usb even through dongle/hub hell are more than sufficient for all those 2002 360p diaper porn videos you're watching
usb is highly unreliable especially on windows for the software side and if you bough some chinkshit on the hardware side
you can find some posts with the right usb controllers to buy on reddit but it's just too tedious past a few TB of data.
I've tried different enclosures over the years and I could only find one (https://sabrent.com/collections/hard-drive-accessories/products/ec-dflt) that does not have random disconnect etc.
I ahve yet to find a two-slot enclosure that just works, my icy box IB-RD3802-C31 has random disconnect which is a massive pain.

>>105690686
>ignored the power draw
heh

>>105695537
>>inb4 “idle power usage”. Yeah intel NUCs are great at idle, but still use 3x the wattage when you actually ask them to do work
If it's 3x faster than what's the issue?

>>105695582
Its more like 30% faster in exchange for 3x the power draw

>>105695202
At least get a PoE hat, jeesus. What the fuck are you doing?

>>105687955 (OP)
can't you just buy a cheap pc and some hard drives and install some os to it? what brainlet needs an "out of the box nas" for 2x the price

>>105687955 (OP)

I use Asustor and I'm happy with it. It does everytihng I need.

>>105687955 (OP)
>what out-of-the-box brand NAS
None. Some Rockchip ARM thingie like NanoPi R5S and required amount of drives, via USB3.0 or sata adapter thingie in PCIe slot does the job, or even some Intel N100 chinese mini pc or whatever if you keep it in LAN and don't care about possible malware-infested unupdatable UEFI. Out of the box NAS are overpriced pieces of crap.

>>105695596
It's more like 2X the power draw for an N100 vs rk3588, with the N100 crushing lots of single threaded loads, sometimes well beyond 2x
Arm chip only comes out in extremely multithreaded tasks.

>>105695537
how much storage you rocking tho, for me the minimum amount it even makes sense to build a NAS for is like 40TB, which is what ~50TB if you want to tolerate a drive failure? You're not driving that with an SBC

>>105695761
Why not? It's not like you're moving data terabytes in an out every hour in home like some enterprise network server serving hundreds of people. Any piece of shit can serve whatever you attach to it, it's mostly idle anyways.

>>105695572
I'm not arguing in favor of an old power hungry server, I'm just shutting down one of my least favorite arguments on this board

>>105695784
Might be kinda hard to find a jet engine proofed space unless you live at least in some McMansion or something.

>>105695780
nta but the biggest thing with using SBCs is not so much throughput but general instability regarding consumer level sata chipsets or USB chips. IDK why they are so "lemon scented"

I didn't believe it myself until I started using them. Used an Asmedia card, it suicided very shortly and left CRC errors on a drive. Had a USB enclosure with a jmicron chip and it started giving me issues just using it on my desktop. I thought for a second the SSD was dead but using it on native sata ports and it was fine.
If you haven't run into any issues with hardware like that, I can only consider you lucky. Maybe I'm just that unlucky.
I can only assume most normies don't complain because it's not like Windows will bitch anyway.
I'll use x86 and HBAs because considering I'm buying used shit sorted by price, I've never had an issue. Gives my old desktop hardware a use too.

Give me an ARM board with a few slots and maybe I would be interested but at some point it stops becoming a stand against power use as you scale up in HDD numbers.

>>105696062
It's often that the power bricks that come with the boards and/or USB drives are just shit and cause all kinds of strange problems.

>>105696096
That's the thing tho wasn't even using an SBC, just my desktop which should have ample power but it was the chips themselves that grenaded, I would have to use this stuff if I used an SBC.

Again maybe im just unlucky but I can't shake that /hsg/ fags will tell you up and down how broken all the shit is and it it comes true.

>>105695808
Buddy it's called a basement or garage

>>105695596
Lol, do armfags actually believe their nonsense? X86 is far more efficient and powerful.

>>105696720
i'm the anon that was shitting on raspis and now i'm here to shit on you, arm is absolutely fine, it's a good tool for and you use it for the job it's good for

it's just not the tool for the job* (obv there's edge cases) but what the fuck are you building a NAS for
you build that shit because you wanna put your data somewhere and be safe and certain in the fact that it's gonna be there tomorrow, it's rock solid and reliable, arm just ain't it chief, fuck if i care if i spend a couple hundred a year on electricity, it's worth having peace of mind and just not having to fuck with the shit once it's set up

>>105694437
you're retarded and reddit

>>105697818
How did you shit on me? Do you think not even disagreeing is shitting on someone?
Fuck you are retarded.

Each time you don't throw away your old drive a child in ghana starces to death

>>105694561
Very low power hungry.
If there's an electrical surge, you should only risk frying the power brick, not the NAS itself.
If you're worried, or it happens often, you can get yourself an UPS.

>>105698100
I cant afford ups, that shit's expensive

>>105694561
>Is nas very power hungry?
These prebuilt NAS boxes are quite efficient. A four-bay Synology uses 12W at idle and like 60–70W at full blast. The PSUs are only like 100W too.

>Should i unplug it durring thunderstorms in my sagged moldy shitpit of house?
Get a UPS.

>>105698153
Worth every penny though
I bought a pr1500lcd a few years ago and it runs my everything (networking equipment, pc, nas) for about an hour if the power goes out and the avr is great for me. The price has gone up a lot in just 2 years though. Now it's $700.
>tfw the entire neighborhood is pitch black for nearly an hour but im still playing my online video game
>power comes back at 13% battery remaining
>cash
>money
There's just something reassuring about every device at your desk effectively acting as a laptop would power-wise. Just doooo it. Get a $239 cyberpower at least.. doesnt need to have a giga nigga battery like mine

>>105687955 (OP)
>what out of the box nas
you belong on reddit.
t. someone who can barely use a computer.,

>>105688002
you'd have to be a moron to think wattage per TB matters. on average your microwave clock uses more power than the microwave.

>>105689450
presumably if you have enough money to waste 500 dollars on a crapple mini you have enough leftover to also buy a few 150 dollar raid enabled 5 bay DAS's. ultimately I am disgusted by applejeets trying to shill in this thread. idle draw is only relevant for room temperature control.

>>105692657
>this many drives
>only 200 tb
isn't it worth it to just upgrade to 10 tb or higher drives?

>>105695520
its slow.

>>105698229
My microwave doesn't have a clock.

>>105698263
based dial enjoyer

>>105698251
I don't have the extra 150 because that is needed for my monitor stand.

>>105698229
>you'd have to be a moron to think wattage per TB matters

I'll be a moron then. Can you answer the question?

>>105698437
I dont know and I don't care. my main pc is a much bigger power draw.

>>105690685
Hence "or". If you're going for rock bottom power consumption at the cost of performance, do the raspi and USB adapters. It'll still be more than fast enough to play movies off, which is what most people are probably doing with it.
For better performance, an old PC with an average motherboard that has maybe 6 SATA ports and a gigabit LAN port is the better option, and still cheap and reasonably quiet.
And to pay more to get more, you can get used servers, plus network equipment that handles as high speed ethernet as you're willing to pay for. Just remember that servers are fucking loud, though depending on design you might be able to modify it to use quieter fans.