Every email service is shit now. What do?

>>105708252 (OP)
Just use proton. You can bypass the stupid forced abuse prevention verification shit by adding a throwaway recovery email (just search for temporary email and scroll down until you find an obscure one) and then delete it immediately, it'll unlock registration emails.

>>105708280
They blocked me when I used one of those

>>105708252 (OP)
tutanota
thank me later

>>105708280
>by adding a throwaway recovery email (just search for temporary email and scroll down until you find an obscure one)
Just fyi they can detect this and ban your account, happened to one of mine recently. If you create a proton account and verify it with a throwaway, expect to lose it at some point.

https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/

>>105708252 (OP)
>buy domain
>use migadu
customer for the last 5 years

>>105708393
blocked by many sites or even departments.

I'd suck off Proton CEO if they made the free plan have IMAP, I'd give up webmail access for it too, making it a premium feature doesn't really align with their values of privacy and data ownership. Or they can add a privacy preserving payment method I can actually use, either or both works for me.

>>105708393
why would i thank you glownigger?

https://archive.org/details/nov3am/page/14/mode/2up?q=Tutanota

>>105708280
Still bs, let's say your parents die and you're 16 and somehow dont have your own tech yet, you take a laptop out of the trash and go to McDonalds to make an email, you literally can't, so you can't get a phone and a job or do literally anything in modern society.
Internet is already fully locked down everything is invite based, if you didn't get in while it was open or know someone who did who can invite you in you're actually just fucked.
Why are we okay with the complete death of open registration. because we're old and have 50 fake hotmails but if you step back for a moment to think about it this is really fucked up.

>>105711934
Governments are going to have to do something about it at some point. But I think you can still make new accounts if you sign up via a new device, like a smartphone.

>>105711988 governments promote this shit, they're working on rolling out digital ID to go online worldwide as we speak.
Thats their solution, they want to be the single sign on provider for everything online and offline.
Proton/Tuta/etc sometimes allow that but not always, I get they want you to pay, which is completely reasonable if paying privately online was possible, if they had gift cards in retail to buy for cash (or at least on amazon and digital key reseller sites like mullvad) or accepted prepaid payments like paysafecard I'd buy multiple pro accounts.
I'm fine with paying, thats how it used to be back in the day, hand over cash get internet time/phone credit with no other data required, I'm not fine with "were a small company we need money cus we no sell data" being the excuse to mandate locked payment ecosystems as a form of DRM/verification.
Legit what the fuck is the difference between google spying on me and finding out who I am IRL VS Proton being legally forced to keep my credit card details for 10 years after I delete my account. Sure they won't sell it to advertisers or whatever but you get my point.

>>105712082
you aren't understanding the problem fundamentally. they eventually want to be able to use the panopticon to force you to do whatever they want. Even benign things may have you swept up into dragnets for bureaucrats to blow endless resources and ruin your life. it is quite literally you giving a complaint about the neighbor blasting their speakers and then you get a swat team sent to your house via algorithm and they tear the place apart looking for evidence of vague wrongdoings.

captch vssrk

>>105708393
literally confirmed for being operated by the nsa and cia.

Brave start an email service god damn it

>>105708252 (OP)
Host your own, idiot.

>>105712224
So they can pay you to shill it as well, Randesh? You should go play in traffic.

>>105708280
The same Proton that charges you for features that have been standard on other webmail providers for two decades?
The same Proton who hands your name, PII, all those aliases etc. to anybody who asks nicely?
That Proton?
TL;DR: fpwp

>>105708252 (OP)
>use cockmail for years
>"haha lol we got breached too!"
>try to change my nuke.africa password
>"ur gay lol no password change 4u"
ok thanks
Why the FUCK are there so many data breaches these days? There's like 3 of them every week so far in 2025, and they target important places or leak potentially millions of entries of private info every single time, these are huge breaches and it's like the entire world's opsec is more swiss cheesed than mine

>>105710118
>pay them for privacy
>get hacked and leak private info anyway
That's their endgame: Make money before they too suffer the inevitable.

>>105712575
Yeah cock user too, at least I hope its just a leak and not glowie takeover, at least its free and fully featured and advertisers won't touch it with a ten foot pole. At least I guess glowies had to work for my mail instead of google bcc-ing it to them automatically in real time.
The absolute state man..
Yeah Proton too will probably get hacked, everything will, if its online it can and will be hacked, can we make this a new internet rule?
I still wouldn't mind paying for their connvenince but one thing I haven't caved on through the years is not putting financial info online.
Different level of damage having just some emails stolen, or my card info. I'll pay for Proton as soon as they support sane payment methods.

>>105708252 (OP)
>Now

>>105711934
>>105711988
>>105712082
you can pay for residential proxies with crypto

>>105713708
Crypto fags still refuse to tell me how I get crypto in a private manner, where do i buy crypto with cash or a prepaid card I buy with cash and no KYC?

>>105713843
You should have mined your own back when you could use just a gpu .

>>105708280
...or you can have a little patience and not sign up for something right away even though that's 90%of what email is used for now.

>>105713914
I mined some shit and it was all worthless 3 months later if that, tbf I didn't care or know enough at the time.

>>105712082
I was mostly thinking of normie services like gmail and icloud.

>>105714020
Nah they mandate phone number, and icloud an apple device. Outlook might still be possible to make, ofc very insecure but that could work, all my MS account info is blatantly false and they never gave me shit about it surprisingly but may just be bc its old account. Very rarely use it when redirection addresses are blocked.
My point was even Proton and Tuta dont let you just make an account nowadays without some verification bs.

>>105714051
How would you go about keeping bots from making accounts on your email service without some kind of verification be? Because if you don't keep the bots off, they start spamming and you get delisted for spamming. Unless of course you're too big to fail like google, in which case the bots will just outsource the verification bullshit, and you're too big to be blacklisted even though you basically can't trust a gmail account that someone didn't give you in person.

I think We really need to go back to when you got your email from your ISP and that was just about it. Or they can finish switching to ipv6 and we can finally host important shit at home again.

>>105714229
Not that I completely disagree with having to do something about bots but nah ISP definitely shouldn't host email, not even normies trust their ISP anymore and nor should they, they're like the least trustworthy of the whole chain ironically enough.
Ban bots manually, only normalfag platforms have bots where money can be made or opinions to be swayed, or its a personal attack against an indie site, its an overblown problem.
Now self hosting I fully agree with, give me multiple IPs static and dynamic, also geoIP needs to die so dumb niggers can't try and abuse it. (like know which government to snitch to about your piracy)

>>105712335
Email is not a privacy tool. Just because a medium of communication is fully cucked and non-private it doesn't mean you cannot ever use it for anything.
>>105714002
Pretty sure it's not on a timer. The restriction doesn't go away.

>>105708252 (OP)
I pay for my email
I get no such shit
Either pay for product, selfhost it, or be the product