What is "technofeudalism"?

>>105722471 (OP)
Something about not owning your tech products, maybe. I don't read the news anymore.

Banker/Oil baron/Media mogul richfags running every government since the dawn of time - normal state of affairs
Tech bros running the government - technofeudalism

Oh man, is it time for the wumao spam again?

>>105722538
>it's another boomer has a mental breakdown when china is mentioned episode

>>105722556
Shouldn't you be biking to your second job to sew my nikes, Chang?

>>105722570
At least hes biking lardass

California is the exemplar.

>highly stratified society, upper crust of rich to upper middle class, power gap, tons of poorer people and workers
>white/asian/jewish tech elites, brown hispanic mutt untermensche serfs
>fairly rigid laws and low freedoms, centralization

>>105722471 (OP)
China, basically.

>>105722582

Whenever I go there I marvel at how rich it routinely is and yet how simultaneous the presence of a mass of dirty brown retards is around you. In the midwest it's positively egalitarian in comparison. Being "landed" in California is very hard, which is core to the concept of becoming feudalized. A small amount of people own the land, and everyone else works it and pays rent.

>>105722582
>low freedoms
then 5 minutes later poltards be like
>REEEEE its a sanctuary state that lets niggers do whatever they want

>>105722577
To his second job. Those Jordans ain't gonna make themselves.

>>105722617

You aren't really "free" if your overlord state is dumping tons of criminal foreigners on you and making it unsafe to walk your streets

>>105722538
>>105722570
>why yes, my confidence in my worldview is so weak that i do need to retreat into a larp whenever it gets challenged
>how can you tell?
I am going to thoroughly enjoy watching you burgerbrains spend the rest of your lives having to watch the continuing rise of China, and not being able to do shit about it besides shit and cope and piss and whine lmao

>>105722471 (OP)
Technofeudalism is a term used to describe a modern economic system where large technology companies, or "Big Tech," hold significant power and influence, resembling the structure of feudalism in the past.
Instead of land, these companies control digital platforms, data, and online markets, effectively becoming modern-day fiefdoms.
This system concentrates power and resources in the hands of a few, potentially leading to a new form of social and economic hierarchy where the majority of users and creators are dependent on these platforms for their livelihoods.

>>105722471 (OP)
Should have posted the article OP, it was pretty interesting.

https://www.scmp.com/opinion/china-opinion/article/3314964/china-offers-alternative-western-technofeudalism

>>105722471 (OP)
You vill live in ze pod and eat ze bug

>>105722509
hint: they're the same people
>>105722556
zeihancels seething.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_3_PnnZ14I&t=13s

>>105722642
I think you're confused, I appreciate your almost-slave labor. I think you do a wonderful job making my iphones with your tiny bug hands. I appreciate your dedication, Chang.

>>105722471 (OP)
Propaganda

>>105722471 (OP)
I have no interest in reading the article, but they might be yapping about silicon valley fascism? neoreaction? or possibly something even gayer?

>>105722632
Which is done by design. The rich people don't wanna live near mexicans and homeless people, so they make sure to stay inside rich, gated communities.

>>105722642
They said the same thing about Japan in the 80s. Only, Japan was actually inventing their own stuff, not stealing it.

Chinese can't own land. They are literal surfs

>>105722814
They're talking about how Chyna is a good guy for releasing open source models. But china's goal is obviously to put Open AI and Google out of business. If they are successful they will rug the open source community and we'll see articles about how open source is bad.

>>105722814
>I have no interest in reading the article
Then why in the world did you post as if you had anything to contribute to the discussion? As long as you’re not an illiterate gen alpha who grew up snacking on tide pods, the article takes less than five minutes to read:
>>105722679
>>105722679
>>105722679

>Simon Chan
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>105722872
>they will rug the open source community
>source: it revealed itself to me in a dream

>>105722883
This thread is on the wrong board in the first place, so calm down lil bro. >>>/pol/

>>105722859
>Chinese are surfs
>tfw ywn hang ten in hangzhou

>>105722623
The sole purpose of life is to produce economic value. A second job is a higher calling than whatever leech shit you do is.

>>105722509
It geos in phases.
Sometimes the government centralizes into one committe running the place until they retire. Other times you get Stalin or Gerhardsen.
Sometimes you get monarchy centralization, where the Hansa is told to go fuck themselves. Other times the Hansa IS the government, but its per city state.

But generally in history, you could be FILTHY RICH from trading, but you could not actually own land at a meaningful measure, and sumptry laws would mean you could not deck out to impersonate the low ruling class.
Similarly for most of history, a merchant prince could not realistically raise and hold a army.
I think if the mechanisms break that enables the current Californian upper class, i don't see Californians actually succeeding. Such as rule of law, state violence monopoly, controlling global currency, etc..

>>105722872
>If they are successful they will rug the open source community
The more interesting question will remain HOW to rug the FLOSS
Its either via selling access to larger training sets, getting control of the hardware sales

>>105722904
Source: they intentionally released a gimped version the hunyuan 3D gen now that they have a model that's actually competitive.

>>105722471 (OP)
simply technology companies I don't like

>>105722938
>The sole purpose of life is to produce economic value.
Yeah, if you live in a nightmare asian dystopia as a disposable bug person.

>>105722720
This. Basically it's social media, Amazon, Windows and everything else where consumers produce value for the "landowner".

>>105722835
I love this reddit larp that the country which graduates more engineers per year than America graduates TOTAL somehow can’t innovate. How buckbroken by capitalism do you have to be to think you can own intangible information to start with? You can’t say this shit as if it means anything when a huge part of the Snowden leaks was the NSA committing industrial espionage for the benefit of private American corporations.

>>105723089
And before anyone asks, it's not just a consumer-producer relationship. It's more like me buying bread from a random baker and Bezos taking his cut for facilitating the transaction.

>>105722915
>thread about humans relationship with technology isn’t about technology bro
Did you fire up enough neurons to make it thru a five minute article yet, champ? I’ll let you watch subway surfers off to the side if you need some help, but don’t get used to it.

>>105723102
I'd rather have Bezos taking a cut from every transaction than the government.

>>105722509
Old blood fears losing power to new blood. They are completely getting left in the dust with new way the society is functioning outside of their control.

>>105723140
>tyranny.gov >:(
>tyranny.com :O

>>105723140
But they do it twice when you buy through bezos. Then bezos will do some tax magic so he pays less, requiring you to pay more for the government employees checking his magic tricks. So in a sense you pay four times when buying through bald amazon man

>>105722471 (OP)
Feuds with Techno.
like rap battles.

>>105723094
You sound hysterical. Are you on your period?

>>105723094
It's about japan as an economy barely growing anymore. Some people using economic growth as necessary if you're innovating. However, graduates can also just leave a country and if I was japanese I probably would too just to find a wife and not be in a hedonistic hell hole.

>>105723208
Yeah, sorry babe. You’ll have to stick it in my ass tonight :3

>>105722859
you don't own land in the west either. if you stop paying taxes your land gets taken away. you are renting land from the government.

>>105722471 (OP)

>>105723368
It’s interesting the difference between gay cultures in both countries. China usually treats it like a “not my business” sort of thing since their boomers have lives and aren’t waging an idiot culture war over Abrahamic “values”. I think their most famous TV star (or one of them) is trans as well. Seeing how open everyone was about this on Red Note was pretty eye opening.

>>105722471 (OP)
When is Huawei going to open source their Harmony OS Next microkernel?

>>105722471 (OP)
>the western system sucks
>we need to go with the state sponsored solutions from a tyrannical state that actively strives to be a state controlled techno-dystopia
Here we go again.

>>105723901
Closed source vs open source, a tough choice...

>>105723901
>tyrannical state that actively strives to be a state controlled techno-dystopia
Hey airman, how’s the weather at Eglin today? You keeping cool in that big uniform?

>>105723448
>hina usually treats it like a “not my business” sort of thing since their boomers have lives and aren’t waging an idiot culture war over Abrahamic “values”.
The difference is the Chinese government isn't hellbent on spewing pro-homosexual propaganda as a core tenet of it's rulership

>>105723901
>a tyrannical state that actively strives to be a state controlled techno-dystopia
which country are you talking about? the one where you get a knock on the door for criticism of your own country, or the one where you get a knock on the door for criticism of a foreign country in the middle east?

>>105723979
>Closed source vs open source, a tough choice...
>I want to use open source software
>This means I have to use Chinese software
The best operating system is open source and made in Finland.
China merely adopted the concept after they realized it could expedite their "steal everything" R&D methodology.
Retards only recently caught on to hypersonic tech and still can't build their own fighter not using US/Soviet designs lmao.

>>105723140
Can you explain why?
The Governments cut would go to public services which you probably use everyday, and you could elect a representative to serve your political interests like how trump is deporting Mexicans or putting trans ppl in jail

Bezos uses his cut to rent out Venice for a wedding

>>105724052
>chinese open source bad
>why?
>i-it just is okay!!
Good work patriot. Your Palantir Compliance Score has risen one point.

>>105724122
>I don't trust communists with a proven track record of being untrustworthy
>BUT WHY NOT?
Gee Anon, it's almost like everyone already knows the answer to that one and I shouldn't have to explain it to you.

>>105722471 (OP)
This move makes China forgiven for stealing tech to get where they are in my mind.

>>105724111
Americans have a profound distrust of the government to the point that anything is better than money going to them. Even if it's lining the pockets of people who will surely do nothing for them, rather than even taking the gamble.

>>105724264
They only lie when it's in their benefit to look good. What are even the consequences of it if this is a lie? We don't get mediocre open source stuff? I legit do not see the demons you are afraid of in this one.
Plus if anything Jeets have proven culturally to be chronic liars more so than the Chinese.

>>105724360
>They only lie when it's in their benefit to look good. What are even the consequences of it if this is a lie? We don't get mediocre open source stuff? I legit do not see the demons you are afraid of in this one.
Look if they're willing to publish their stuff under FOSS compliant licensing it's a non-issue, but the problem is that open source has been used in the past as a back door to excuse shady licensing which gives people the avenue to force their software back into a closed source format after taking advantage of open source development.
It's not a method invented by the Chinese by any measure, but it's one that would have to be considered upon reviewing their licensing for any solution they may produce should you choose to use it.

>>105723265
Cope, Zhang. Even when you pay your tax the CCP will still steal your land from your grandchildren in 99 years.

>>105722471 (OP)
best become familiar with the term because you are living it

>>105724264
>proven track record of being untrustworthy
Was this in one of your Marvel movies or something?

>>105724475
Well yeah I thought that was given. I just see no reason to not be optimistic about this move by them. At worst it turns out they're being disingenuous, and at best they're contributing to the open source movement.

>>105724533
>source: i made it the fuck up

>>105723368
bug ppl vs bug ppl

>>105724793
Ah so you're not even a chink, just yer another brown third worlder simping for China. And yeah it's actually 70 years.
http://www.china.org.cn/video/2016-04/21/content_38295487.htm

>>105725405
>A motte-and-bailey castle is a type of medieval fortification consisting of a raised earthwork called a motte, topped with a keep, and an enclosed courtyard known as a bailey, surrounded by a protective ditch. The term "motte-and-bailey" is also used to describe a rhetorical fallacy where someone shifts between a defensible position (the motte) and a more controversial one (the bailey) to avoid criticism
You’ve yet to elaborate on the fanfiction you wrote about Chinese homes not passed down to the homeowners children 99% of the time. Based move on Chinas part to prevent the rise of a new industrial landlord class, however.

>>105725531
The vast majority of leases haven't expired yet retard.
>Because of the lack of law, they have to give their homes back to the government. If they want to keep their residences, the home owners have to pay high land-transfer fees like property developers. For them, the fees are not affordable.
It's literally right there, in state owned Chinese media. The government can do whatever the fuck they want with the land, there is no expectation that you can continue to live in it. They can charge you a huge fee to live renew the lease (as in this case) or they can destroy the building to give it to some property developer who bribed the local official there to increase revenue. You have zero say in what happens
>prevent the rise of a new industrial landlord class
AHAHAHAAHAH you know literally nothing about China.

>>105725531
>Based move on Chinas part to prevent the rise of a new industrial landlord class, however.
Why do chinese households on average own two or more homes? Who outside of the few migrants is even renting there?

>>105725740
You'd think a billion dollars being approved for CHINA BAD propaganda would give us something better than 1/2 of a news story from a decade ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/26/business/china-wenzhou-land-lease.html
>Chinese officials said that a group of homeowners in Wenzhou, an eastern city, would not have to pay a fee to extend the rights to the land under their residences. Homeowners in China own their dwellings but not the land under them. All land in China is owned by the government, which parcels it out to developers and homeowners through 20- to 70-year lease.

You really thought you were clever with the whole "s-state media confirms it!!" bit lmao

>>105722617
You can't even chop down a 5 ft tall tree in your backyard without paying a $300 permit and paying a public works maintenance worker do it.

>>105726084
>You'd think a billion dollars being approved for CHINA BAD propaganda would give us something better than 1/2 of a news story from a decade ago.
wtf? did mutts actually spend $500mm to pay people to post anti-chinese propaganda?

>>105726201
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202
It’s literally 1.6 billion dollars being spent on making the internet worse instead of giving us high speed rail or non-crumbling infrastructure lol. Burgerstan is a fucking joke.

>>105722471 (OP)
read the book

>>105726084
That's just one state's decision. The gov still owns the land.
>You really thought you were clever with the whole "s-state media confirms it!!" bit lmao
It literally does though. You have no property rights in China. The government can do whatever it wants once the lease expires. Surfs were also allowed to live on the lord's land, that doesn't mean they still weren't surfs.

>>105726770
>sorry kids, but your neighborhood is in the way of our future highway/pipeline/whatever and has to go
>why are you all crying? don’t you want to see line go up for mega corporations?fucking communists

>>105726930
pretty much this. most criticisms of what china COULD do is just projection about what the west has already done. you don’t own land that you’ll get kicked out of the moment you stop paying rent (property tax) to the landlord (the state).