>kills windows customization forever

>>105722696 (OP)
Werks on my troonix

>>105722696 (OP)
Luckily, there isn't much time left.

>>105722725
over 10 years of this was too much to endure

I just wish Adobe would bring their Creative Cloud suite to Linux so I'd no longer have to dual-boot.

UWP was ambitious because MS seriously thought that they would still have a mobile platform worth developing against. What is UWP good for now? Windows and Xbox? Both dying platforms

>>105723168
At this point I don't know why Microsoft doesn't have a team creating a DE/Distro on top of Linux.
They tried over Android but Google has a tight grip with their security shit.

>>105723188
Seems like WSL is much more fruitful for them. I don't think Windows is inherently doomed; if they just pulled their heads out of their asses and created a good native UI framework, stopped with all the telemetry shit, stopped with the ads, and stopped trying to look like macOS, then I think Windows would make a comeback. Windows is legitimately a good development platform for C++ and is increasingly good for web development via .Net and the tools that MS has put out like winget, windows terminal, and powershell core. I just think the product managers on the OS side of the company are talentless hacks

>>105723244
>and created a good native UI framework
So that the other 5 they've already got can fester, again? They should just unfuck one of them and STICK WITH THE DAMN THING.

>>105723271
They're all fundamentally bad. They should abandon XAML and work on modernizing Winforms, then just let people create 3rd party frameworks on top of that instead of forcing you into their garbage MVVM design and tooling. Make Windows programs as easy to write as Web applications and people will start developing for windows again

>>105723304
>Make Windows programs as easy to write as Web applications and people will start developing for windows again
hello saar we have our own electronslop here at Microsoft is called edgewebview very good saar

>>105723244
I seriously don't know how they can recover, it must all be scrapped as you say.

Yesterday I raged at Linux over Chromium and Electron instability in Wayland, plus random I/O dropouts where clicks don't register. Been using it 5 years, mostly for programming. Occasionally game, so didn’t want to full-send macOS.
Made a Windows USB and got instant PTSD: Copilot bloat (I don't dislike AI, quite the opposite, but how they do it is trash), garbage-tier virtual desktops, laggy start menu, two right-click menus, UI schizo mode, PowerShell verbosity masquerading as design (yeah yeah object-oriented(tm), better than bash award, I don't care it's not improving my life/workflow like fish does), ads in the OS, bing search in startmenu, weather bullshit, widgets with AOL tier shit plastered all over, WSL 2 literally a Hyper-V VM (memeOS has a container framework now too), it goes on and on... Maybe I just move over the macOS for real, it's been bliss working on my macbook while traveling.
That's not even touching all the telemetry bullshit.

HOWEVER, they do have a lot of nice enterprise features, but that's all they focus-on. Power user B2C seems like an afterthought.

>>105722696 (OP)
And That's A Good Thing, Actually™

>>105723188
Until they get rid of the CEO who is literally spending money to help his friend create a scam business, the company will be doomed

>>105722696 (OP)
>loonix but locked down
Lol

>>105723400
No he's got a point, winform fucking sucks and is an inextensible pile of garbage.
This has been 90% of MS's problem in recent years, inextensibility.
Make it simple, make it fast, make it reliable, and most of all, make it easy to build new shit on top of it.
Shit like that is why languages like C dominated the industry for decades.

>>105723244
>if they just pulled their heads out of their asses and created a good native UI framework, stopped with all the telemetry shit, stopped with the ads, and stopped trying to look like macOS, then I think Windows would make a comeback.
That's the crux of the issue, you're basically asking them to do a complete 180 on their current plan while they have next to no competition and can rest on their market share while not worrying about anything, "we're microsoft, our name alone sells our product" is the mindset they're running with still.
Until they get a massive wakeup call in their sales department, they're gonna keep riding that wave.

>>105723588
One of the most bamboozling things I've witnessed in my career is how they got some huge corporations to lock down browsers and impose Edge overnight.
They cucked Google in one move, and there's nothing they can say.

>>105723629
Is this why they got rid of IE and made their own Chromium flavor? To cuck Google?

>>105723588
The problem is that desktop OSs are a dying market. Normies don't buy laptops or desktops - they do all web browsing and run all apps on their phones. I know several people who do not own a computing device other than a phone. For those that do use laptops, their go-to is often a macbook because

1. Apple completely owns the phone market in the United States
2. Macbooks are status symbols
3. Fisher Price babby's first computer etc etc

So there's no real incentive to improve their OS. Even if sales slide, I think Microsoft will eventually just put Windows into legacy support mode for enterprise users and cease to develop new functionality as they move the entire company toward Azure and MAYBE Xbox (if that survives too)

>>105723735
I suppose so, they got a free codebase, free extension compatibility, their biggest growth vector for enterprise when I left my corpo wagie life was security, so they just had to copy paste and include their stuff and dictate the roadmap.
I'm pretty sure they'd boast tighter integration with InTune, SmartScreen, O365 and whatever other crap they have.

What was Google doing anyway? They had 90% marketshare and took them a decade to figure out they could use that somehow.

>>105723742
Saddest shit I've read but it's true.
I already feel like a massive boomer having a desktop PC.

>>105723898
Also, the biggest redpill I swallowed was visiting China nearly five years ago.
I saw kids hanging in public spaces, glued to their phones carrying battery banks.
They socialized, gamed, and lived entirely through that screen. I doubt they ever thought about "Windows".

that changes very quickly when you get a job that isn't stocking shelves, it's also actively being promoted and advertised because mobile is more profitable due to the lack of any kind of user dignity

enterprise has always been the core demo redmond cares about because they have money- and won't tolerate most of this shit. That's why 90% of the time pirating windows has started with "get the enterprise version"

>>105723188
Anon, one of the worst parts of Windows is the DE, if anything Microsoft should be looking into making a deal with KDE to get Plasma on Windows

>>105723188
Their launcher is actually not too bad. But:

>wants a MS account
>Copilot/Cortana AI shit

Made me uninstall it so fast.

>>105722696 (OP)
>IoT devices
Is there a single SCB platform that running Windows and that isn't 50W+ powerhouse?

>windows customization
>windows
>customization
mdr

>>105725587
No and that's probably what the will try and fail to solve