What went wrong?

Getting rid of the minimize button. I have no idea what was going through their minds when they did that.

>>105723199
Minimize is bullshit ui design. Gnome is the DE of choice for people who would also use minimalistic (tiling) window managers: no minimize, no tray, no dock.
>B-but, I NEED this feature!
Install KDE, or better, Windows

Becoming a club house for troons and sexless troon enablers. This extends to the OSS ecosystem in general.

User hostile
They really believed that they wouldn't get ditched after nearly 2 decades of being overly opinionated faggots?

>>105723191 (OP)
The devs don't use their own system. So why should they care if it's unusable garbage? They use Macs.

>>105723237
>minimize, system tray
simple, mouse or keyboard
>everything else
tinketroon garbage

>a fucking FOOT

>>105723237
>Install KDE
Thanks for the advice ebassi, I did just that

>>105723191 (OP)
Gnome2 was so good that microsoft had it destroyed. I thought this is common knowledge.

>>105723191 (OP)
>What went wrong?
>Developers shitcan the whole design language from 2 to 3
>Over time they start getting more and more narcissistic and start acting as if they know better
>On the repositories and forums they start devolving into a more and more fascist government where if you're not the approved race and political beliefs you deserve to die
>Sometime during 3's life they get a gorillion euros for development so they start spending more money each year
>The foundation composed of literally 3 paid positions and a CEO is literally wasting half a million each month, despite not earning a quarter of that in donations
>A jewish journalists starts nooticing and they start the fascist ethnostate mass bannings and defamation campaings
>All while having hired a literal scammer for CEO
>Everything crashes and burns, they fire the CEO and ban key contributors
>Still overspending money each month and having to fire several of the 3 employees
>The devs still are spending all day harassing and defaming people on social media
It's a tale of how leftism destroys everything.

The DE should function for me (developers) not for thee (users)

Over 10-15 years, they got sucked into the whole "touchscreen/tablet" fad fucking HARD, then refused to fix their errors when that crumbled.

Contrast with KDE that also took the bait on that shit, but fixed their course.

Anyway, that was the initial bomb that went off that started the slide. Over time a self-selection process happened, where only the most narcissitic and shitty devs remained in GNOME, and you get what you have today, a corporate controlled, festering, anti-user joke of a desktop that thankfully everyone outside of that corporate silo (red hat/fedora) seems to be fucking ditching.

>>105723237
>just keep opening shit on top of each other
>if you want to go somewhere else you need to either alt+tab to it or open the overview, THEN click on what you want
>the same alt+tab that for some reason is, by default, between programs and not windows themselves, good luck going to separate windows of the same program
obnoxious

>>105724516
you seem like you're used to the windows desktop design, that's why you don't understand how to use a linux desktop
>just keep opening shit on top of each other
wrong, you use different workspaces
>if you want to go somewhere else you need to either alt+tab to it or open the overview, THEN click on what you want
wrong, since there is no minimize, you just need to click on the window. if the window is in another workspace, change to this workspace. if you need to change workspaces often, you might want to rearrange the windows
>the same alt+tab that for some reason is, by default, between programs and not windows themselves, good luck going to separate windows of the same program
the alt+tab in Gnome is indeed weird, but you shouldn't need that often, because, like I said, all windows are always visible, just click on it. If you're doing keyboard-centric stuff and you don't want to reach to the mouse to change windows on the same workspace, on many linux desktop you would use alt+tab, but Gnome is a bit different as you would use alt+esc instead to cycle through windows.

I don’t know why anyone would ever use gnome instead of a tiling wm

>>105725043
Sometimes you want to have a single window on a workspace that is not as large as the screen, e.g. when reading something in the browser. I don't want lines that are as wide as my monitor

>>105723191 (OP)
People like >>105723237 becoming the main userbase for foot fetish OS
Oh also doing lgbt shit that'll repulse anyone like a same-polarity magnet

>>105725043
I did switch from i3 to Gnome when I got a job even if this sounds like ragebait. people on here will always be "normies bad", "old things good" and "popular thing bad" without genuinely evaluating it themselves as they are drones and will repeat anything as long as its edgy enough

also after using a macbook for work (and thus having gone through i3 gnome kde windows macos and hyprland) i can with conviction say that gnome is the most productive system if your brain can handle trying out different things (thats why chuds cannot use gnome)

>>105725043
>>105725129
>Oh also doing lgbt shit that'll repulse anyone like a same-polarity magnet
See? This guy is the kind of people telling you gnome bad. I am sure they are a very highly educated individual who has a high income and is a very popular individual in their social circle.

>>105725648
Indeed I am, for I use Mac. It just comes with the territory.

>>105724994
if I need to use workspaces I might as well just use a TWM, which I now do. there is no workflow need that GNOME fills, it just creates issues that its own retarded workflow "solves"
I will say though that I like how extensible it is, there are some real neat extensions out there, so long as you accept that they have a chance of breaking on updating

>>105725864
>if I need to use workspaces I might as well just use a TWM
This is exactly what I said:
>Gnome is the DE of choice for people who would also use minimalistic (tiling) window managers

>>105723191 (OP)
What everyone in this thread said + they wrote the shell in jeetscript. They needed Canonical to fix the abysmal performance but it's still the slowest DE by far

>>105725067
Most tiling WMs can put windows into floating mode

>>105723237
This.
>>105723199
Bet you don't cry about you precious lil minimize button on dwm. Shut up before I kick your ass.

No use-case since KDE exists.

Maybe the gnome """"workflow"""" would be better if you could actually start programs on a particular workspace

>>105723191 (OP)
everything

>>105726384
The shell is written in pure C. Extensions are written in JS.

>slowest DE
because someone told you that shell is written in js (which is not as said) and you are using tinker tranny archlinux on 20 year old hardware that is not wayland supported.

>>105726479
theres an extension for that

>inb4 nooo why do i need to install an extension why couldnt they just do it like kde/windows/macos and put every bloat on earth preinstalled i love archlinux btw bc it compiles all packages with every bloat ever but i love to tinker since im unemployed

>>105726801
>you are using tinker tranny archlinux on 20 year old hardware that is not wayland supported
thinkpad x220 + arch linux + gnome (wayland) runs absolutely smooth

A better question is:
Why does KDE suck so badly that I prefer GNOME despite its obvious flaws?

>>105723199
Use keyboard shortcuts, dumbass.

>>105723191 (OP)
The only real issue I've run into is changing the default in the "open in shell" button. There's a hacky way to do it but it's not great. Otherwise Gnome works incredibly. I legitimately have not had it crash once in 1.5 years of using it on Debian, though I do use dash-to-panel and desktop icons.

>>105723199
>>105723237
The minimize button is still there, you just have to enable it.

>>105723191 (OP)
>not ugly like kde
>not bloated
>just werks
yeah im gnome pilled

>>105723199
Their idea is that you are supposed to use virtual desktops, keyboard shortcuts etc.
Make of it what you will.

>>105725043

Because I have a fucking life and dont want to fucking complicate the shit out of it remembering key combos and other bullshit.

>>105723191 (OP)
they wanted to make an UI for tablets, but forgot they are developing for the desktop and sunked cost on it so much they don't want to backtrack on it to "save face" and even gaslighted themselves into thinking it's actually good
removed basic desktop features and being dismissive and condescending towards their users when they point out the lack of these common sense features
>>105723595
yes, gnome is so shit out of the box you need to tinker with this troon software to make it usable

My current gnome config:
<Super>h and l to switch workspaces
<Super>j and k to switch windows on the current workspace
I also have keys to change volume and screen brightness, animations are turned off, it's super comfy
and the best thing is, that every setting can be changed on the command-line, on a new install I just run the script and everything is configured
But I only use gdm and the gnome-shell, idc about the rest of the gnome desktop. I should probably just use a window manager, but I can install my desktop with just one package, for other window managers I need to install a lockscreen, screenshot and screencap tools, background image support etc.

>>105725067
Then just open an empty terminal or something.