Thread 105736761 - /g/ [Archived: 649 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:39:53 PM No.105736761
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Why did sysvinit die and get replaced with this?
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:41:10 PM No.105736778
>>105736761 (OP)
trannies, kikes and niggers
Replies: >>105746630 >>105746753 >>105749471
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:43:06 PM No.105736795
>>105736761 (OP)
I still use it
I would like to keep init freedom and x11 (but I have x11 on OpenBSD too, with xenocara, not just on shenux)
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:44:47 PM No.105736807
it just works chud
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:49:17 PM No.105736852
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>>105736761 (OP)
because of red hat, its that simple
red hat = ibm = the regime in power
they want to control your software and ultimately you
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:49:37 PM No.105736855
Microsoft with the help of Poettering and maybe some other workers at red had at the time made it so.
It's just to disturb linux ecosystem.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:20:24 AM No.105738771
Its a Red Hat/IBM developed thing. Therefore it must be rammed down everyone's throat. Are you new to FOSS?

The secondary reason is a ton of distro maintainers are lazy pieces of shit and wanted the responsibility of maintaining their distros offloaded from them and onto Red Hat.

At the end of the day, only distros like gentoo stood up to them (earning many rageposts from Poettering). Once Debian folded by one vote, under massive pressure from Red Hat, it was over.

That said, sysvinit isn't dead. Far from it. OpenRC simply incorporates it into a part of its whole. Distros like Venom also just straight up use it. This fight is still far from over.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:21:46 AM No.105738783
>>105736761 (OP)
Alternatives?
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 2:28:44 AM No.105738839
it just works
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:06:45 AM No.105739089
bread
bread
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>>105736761 (OP)
>pay poor maintainers (literal and ideological)
you are are here (extend)
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:35:28 AM No.105739745
>>105738783
OpenRC, Alpine uses it
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:36:29 AM No.105739752
>>105736761 (OP)
Sysvinit was hacky trash but systemd is even worse.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:37:20 AM No.105739758
>>105738783
openbsd to escape fag hat and gnutards
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:37:29 AM No.105739760
>>105736852
You can be a furfag or you can be a nazi but you can't be both at the same time.

Please choose one (and only one) mental illness.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:38:20 AM No.105739769
>>105739758
I'm on FreeBSD with this X220 Thinkpad.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:42:53 AM No.105739809
sysv is garbage, if you used linux back then you would understand.
the idea that an init daemon should be using fucking shell scripts of all things was outdated 40 years ago.
sysv is so much slower than systemd even though systemd is supposedly "bloated". guess what, some of that bloat is stuff like multicore support, which makes booting up faster.
systemd may not be perfect but compared to the abomination that is sysvinit it's like comparing cadbury chocolate to literal shit
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 4:48:42 AM No.105739857
screenshot
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>>105739809
for me in 2015 when the hard switch was made I happened to have upgraded so I didnt notice the drag especially with the faster boot but look at this lean x220 setup and you see the price you pay with systemD, a price that 2008 linux distros didn't have to pay 20-13-2015 linux lost its resurrection power for old machines
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:48:20 AM No.105740257
>>105738783
dinit is faster
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:07:48 AM No.105740373
>>105739758
>openbsd to escape fag hat
Based
>and gnutards
Cringe
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 6:10:57 AM No.105740395
Sysvinit sucked ass, and systemd sucked less than the rest. Red Hat didn't force it on people per se so much as they used it as Trojan horse.
As it is it's probably the most polarizing FOSS project of all time, half of it is excellent but the other half could be deleted from the source tree with no detriment.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 8:54:39 AM No.105741149
>>105739857
I have a laptop from 2012 that is quite literally falling to pieces but with a €20 SSD it runs modern Linux just fine.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:10:29 AM No.105741238
Pepe smoking
Pepe smoking
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>>105736761 (OP)
>>105738771
The NSA wanted to backdoor Linux so they used their front company RedHat to push systemd on the entire community. I used to work at RedHat, all the product managers and teams were either former NSA govbois or NSA contractors. They all had security clearances. All the main RedHat people pushing systemd were the NSA folks. They saw Linux as a "threat" because it was too secure and the NSA had trouble spying on foreign nation states that used Linux.
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:35:21 AM No.105741382
>>105736761 (OP)
Because Lennart-sama said so. That's the bottom line.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:38:29 AM No.105741407
>>105736852
>>105738771
>ibm
They started it way before the acquisition and they literally copied launchd.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 12:03:28 PM No.105742269
>>105741238
I believe this
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:08:25 PM No.105743225
>>105741149
fine means many things, lets face it today the web demands more from you and while you can run modern linux fine on a 2012 machine (depending on its specs) That is a 2011 sandybridge 2nd gen and some modern linuxes can run as lean as pre-systemd linux especially Alpine and Gentoo I love those but I would assume that on old hardware you want a minimal baseline on idle to give you as much resource margin as possible. Those linux distros offer that better than say, Ubuntu but they can't match the BSDs in minimalism this machine with free bsd uses with X11 and i3 installed what Alpine uses on TTY with no window manager or DE but it doesn't matter because even then we are still talking lean
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:07:47 PM No.105746486
>>105739758
nobody gets work done on bsd
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:24:14 PM No.105746630
>>105736778
>niggers
To be fair I think they sat this one out.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:26:37 PM No.105746651
>>105741238
I was explaining to my mother the other day how the glowie agencies used trannies to infiltrate linux and free software to subvert it. She thought I was crazy lol. But I know the truth.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:39:37 PM No.105746753
>>105736778
fpbp
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:42:50 PM No.105746778
>>105739809
sysv doesn't eat hard drives for breakfast, systemd does however
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 1:34:37 AM No.105748829
blimp
Anonymous
6/30/2025, 2:59:11 AM No.105749471
>>105736778
Just say "Americans" next time.