>>105765729 (OP)
Ad hominem here: I don't listen, read from person who lied over 100 of times and still hasn't reflected on his action.

>>105765729 (OP)
Nah, not really. That post is just a personal attack. It has nothing to do with the subsidies themselves.

>>105765729 (OP)
Fuck Trump, Elon will always win in the end.

>>105765790
No he doesnt Elon has never won

>>105765790
Fuck Elon too though, if it were up to him we'd have infinity h1bs. He doesn't give a shit about the American people at all.

>>105765790
elon muskie is literally having daily drug fueled meltdowns because without unlimited gibs he knows he is done for, after accusing Trump and then backing up like a bitch and pretending like nothing ever happened he has been desperately trying to suck to EU leaders on social media in an attempt to keep his grift going after disfranchising both sides of the political circus through the decade. The whole situation is hilarious to say the least.

Why are tech companies subsidized at all?

>>105765729 (OP)
yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog
>The LifeLog program was "canceled" on February 4th 2004
>On February 4, 2004, Zuckerberg launched "TheFacebook"

>>105765729 (OP)
He does this to Elon. And then he was being a whiny little bitch with muh censorship when he inevitably lost the 2020 elections. Kick this tangerine bozo's ass out of the oval office.

>>105765729 (OP)
Why does he keep calling it a "mandate"? It's just a subsidy to make electric cars cheaper. Nobody was ever going to force you to buy one. Does Trump really think his supporters are so dumb that they'll believe such blatantly made up bullshit?

>>105766106
Because he's not sugar coating jewish schemes that make one thing so much cheaper than the other, that you must avoid the more expensive one.

>>105766106
conservatives are retards

>>105765729 (OP)
trump was politically dead before Elon came to support. Weird but it also shows it's always the same shadow government behind the scenes

>>105766106
Because multiple states, along with many cities, have passed laws that have ban dates for non-electric vehicles. California wants them gone by 2035. Other states and cities have their own deadlines.
You sound like someone who insists that no one forced to get the anti-covid injections while ignoring the consequences imposed on those who didn't do as they were instructed.

>>105768769
>anti-covid injections
Those were the covid injections though, educate yourself on how vaccines are meant to work.

>>105768810
>educate yourself
Such a low IQ can only be from USA.

>>105768849
>>educate yourself
>Such a low IQ can only be from USA.
You have no idea how right you are about yourself.

>>105768890
I'm not an amerimongrel, or else I'd agree with you.

>>105766106
>Does Trump really think his supporters are so dumb that they'll believe such blatantly made up bullshit?
I mean they will

>>105765918
Because otherwise your tech companies like EVs, solar, wind, and even high end chips wouldn't be competitive at all.

>>105768849
Kill all eurotrannies

the economy is fake and gay and people with jobs have fake and gay jobs. you dont matter.

>>105769068
This is factual. You need to suckle at the fed teet to succeed in fiat world.

No, this is just normal grifter-in-chief grievances against anyone who doesn't kiss the ring sufficiently; its amazing who laps up this nonsense. The only ones he thinks are too heavily subsidized are those that don't like him/he has insufficient control regarding. EVERYTHING this man does is lies, hypocrisies, and lying hypocrisies. Consider if he really thinks that tech companies are too heavily subsidized, then why he's basically giving a huge fucking subsidy on your tax dollars to Larry fucking Ellison of Oracle fame (who' trying to buy a whole Hawaiian island and push the Hawaiians out not just of his compound, but he doesn't want to hear or see anyone else etc), so he can buy part of Tiktok and give all its US hosted data to the gov't for free, while profiting from all the algorithmic bullshit? The fact Trump has rolled over three times for Tiktok after it was a big MERICA FIRST whine for awhile, shows the only thing that matters is gracing his palm with silver and panting his golden toilet with your tongue. After all the CHYNA VIRUS and TEH CEECEEPEE whining he couldn't even demand that Tiktok be sold entirely to an American company independently, no.. he needs to make money on the deal, and Larry has been telling him he's a super awesome president dealmaker like manipulating a child.

Wall Street gave over $10 trillion in market cap to big tech yet people are still in poverty.

>>105769111
i just know robotics needs funding and its not getting funding. that funding is going towards bitcoin and shit like tik tok.
Maybe thats still capitalism make little addictive shitty apps instead of real life robots. bitcorn is 100% fiat nonsense.

>>105765918
They should be subsidized for the same reason anything should be - because of it offering a public good at significant costs. An easy example is something like national security where you don't want the entire fabrication of cutting edge (non-classified) commercial chips so much of your country's industry to be in the hands of TSMC in Taiwan, or even with a factory here but very heavily controlled by TSMC. Now its not easy or cheap to buiild up the kind of facility necessary to do fabs at this level or for that matter the knowledge and worker base that is going to make it competitive over night (ie consider this is why China continues to thrive for a lot of fabrication stuff - they've had decades to make almost anything cheaply without having to transport the components all over the world first, they go right next door to the resistor factory that makes resistors for iPhones and dump them into the PCB factory that is making whatever PCB designs, etc.. so even if the SoC is shipped in, its the ONLY thing), so you subsidize this. Ideally, do you do so by making the whole thing public owned, but we sadly are so mindbroken by the rich that need to control every fucking thing that you can't really have the public good, so its stuff like CHIPS Act which IS a step forward, but is still halfass in that it basically lets these private companies control everything and that's garbage.

The Internet you're typing on now would never have risen to prominence along with all the other high tech digital economy developments, if it had been allowed to be in the hands of private industry instead of a DARPA project , public universities etc.. we almost saw things fracture into a digital toll road system twice once during Ma Bell and again later when every 80s/90s ISP (AOL is a big one, prodigy etc) wanted to make their own little intranets instead of standard Internet and later Web connectivity. Subsidy can be good, but what/how matters

>>105769263
Capitalism always takes the path of least resistance to greatest profit allowed. It is an amoral system, controlled by often immoral people. It only "works" when there are strong regulations that level the playing field - if you and I are making the same widget, I treat my industrial waste properly at significant cost, pay my workers well, and make a fantastic product with great QA, but you discharge untreated waste into the river, pay chinkoid or jeet near-slaves to be locked into your factory 3 to a bed, and make something "good enough" but at much lower price, you can sell it slightly below what I do and still make a huge profit. In a system where there are regulations saying
>No anon, you can't offshore with slave labor, dump toxic waste in a river, etc.. we're going to fine you a fortune more than you're making by these practices or maybe even pull your business registration
then it at least kinda sorta levels the playing field, but if you figure out that all you need to do to keep that from ever happening is buy a bunch of lobbyists and regulatory capture to ensure nobody ever comes knocking is a cheap solution to let you keep pushing out shit for cheap and a huge ROI, then everyone who's trying to compete is fucked because the field is not actually level in any way (atop the damage done to health, the environment, workers etc) .

This is a feature, not a bug of capitalism. Capitalism held in check by external regulators in say.. Nordic states is the aberration and is only one election away from the decline above happening. The "level playing field' status is not the end game ideal Capitalism solution, its the first guy who gets to the pile of money uses that money to basically pull up the ladder for everyone else. That's what we see here. Thew shitty little addictive apps and the data mining (isn't it strange how privacy laws haven't advanced AT ALL since social media and surveillance capitalism arose?) makes them money.

>>105765729 (OP)
When people are infighting (who shouldn't be), just look for who's behind it. Probably an anglo mastermind again.

>>105769401
yes desu this is not a not real capitalism problem capitalism sucks and its just sugar on the food pyramid.the ideal system is people funding the stuff that matters out their wallets but ppl suck so we need the state to fund it. Fusion energy, material science, robots, space tech etc... spread out .not all going to elon musk.

>>105769439
This is state capitalism. If it weren't for state intervention, regulations, subsities all the shittiest companies would go out of business. They lobby and then regulate themselves into a protected space where the floor for entry is too high and they are "too big to fail". We literally have the worst of all worlds. At least when china does it theyre *trying* to get the public out of poverty

>>105769877
but who is going to invest on those techs when they have so many years even decades before they pay off?

>>105765858
Was it hilarious when you castrated yourself?

>>105769922
It was going quite well before they made money fake in '71.

>>105769956
the us benefited from that at a time now not so much.