Thread 105765821

why is it so hard to download the .exe?

>>105765821 (OP)
Gatekeeping people with under 90 iq

>>105765821 (OP)
right there sis

>>105765838
Still don't see it

>>105765821 (OP)
>tfw bullied by webdev

>>105765846
you're retarded son

>>105765838
so fucking shit

>>105765821 (OP)
you need to be able to read

>>105765877
>you must download and install a package manager first
so fucking shit

>>105765870
takes like 5 clicks bro, i think you're retarded

if this is too much for you, ffmpeg is not for you.
next you'll ask why it blinks a cmd window. i'll wait

>>105765870
it says right there
"winget install ffmpeg"

It literally can't be any easier

>>105765982
wtf is winget

>>105766004
It's Windows' built-in command line package manager.
Try "winget upgrade --all"

>>105766004
NGMI

>>105765821 (OP)
Because Windows will never be a serious operating system

>>105765821 (OP)
choco isntall ffmpeg
scoop install ffmpeg
winget install ffmpeg

>this thread
lmao trannies love to overcomplicate things

>>105766040
> want to install application
> locate official project website
> try to find correct version for OS
> locate correct download link
> download, unpack
> install .exe manually
> finally run program

You don't think THIS is overcomplicated as opposed to
> have built-in package manager that knows where to download and how to install almost any application
> issue short command to package manager, done

?

>>105766071
i prefer the traditional way, it's more intuitive desu

>>105766102
Nothing on a computer is truly intuitive, every single interaction with a screen, mouse, keyboard and GUI is learned. You may prefer whatever you want, but neither using a package manager nor manually downloading and installing shit is exactly intuitive. However, using a package manager is faster, safer (think ads/malware risks) and much less complicated than many GUI installers. So... yeah. It may be traditional, but it's not intuitive.

>>105766040
>>105766102
Linux:
>open GUI software center
>type in name of software
>click install button
>done

Windows:
>open browser
>browse to google
>type in name of software
>browse to least shady looking website
>click away 5 ads
>click download
>it was actually another ad and opened another browser window
>close ad window
>finally find download button
>click download
>go to download folder
>double click file
>security warning pops up
>click away
>antivirus warning pops up
>click away
>finally install wizard
>press ok 5 times
>need to uncheck installing adware
>need to set installation path manually
>installs
>open program
>dll missing
>google how to download dll
>download it from some shady website
>move it to right folder
>open program
>antivirus pops up
>BLUESCREEN
>reboot
>your drive has been encrypted, send 50 shitcoin to this address to get it decrypted

>>105765821 (OP)
Doesn’t seem like ffmpeg is up your alley tho

>>105766010
well it's not built in to windows 11 apparently

>>105766133
TRVTHNVKE

>>105766010
Why's it not that commonly used compared to loonix package managers?

>>105766130
>Nothing on a computer is truly intuitive, every single interaction with a screen, mouse, keyboard and GUI is learned
stopped reading here, you obviously don't know what "intuitive" means

>>105765821 (OP)
But I need an installer for my video player that doesn't even have dark mode.

>>105766133
Windows has a GUI software centre too retard

>>105766133
>Linux:
>open GUI software center
>type in name of software
>click install button
>done

https://linuxsecurity.com/news/desktop-security/kde-advises-extreme-caution

>>105766397
Can you link ffmpeg on the windows store?

>>105766010
It’s not built in.

if you install fish and look for a TUI for everything you never even have to gitgud at the CLI and still dab on windows users a larp as an elite hacker

>>105766133
Linux:
>ctrl+alt+t
>sudo install <software>
archtrannies and fedoralords need not apply.

>>105766413
can you link Adobe Audition on the Linux store?

there's no good reason to use ffmpeg without a gui
literally every part of it is made easier and more efficient by having a gui

>>105766071
>want to install application
>faggot:~$ fag-get install application
>application not found
>faggot:~$ fag-cache search application
>notApplication - Explicitly not what you wanted but it's the only result anyway
>locate official project website
>try to find version for my specific flavor of mental illness
>locate correct install instructions
>faggot:~$ add-fag-repository 'dix https://applicat.ion/lindix-builds retard main'
>faggot:~$ fag-get install application
>install application and laundry list of dependencies
>finally run program
>it's trash
>faggot:~$ fag-get remove application
>faggot:~$ add-fag-repository -r 'dix https://applicat.ion/lindix-builds retard main'
>dependencies forever remain in my system

>>105766410
>non-sequitur
ok...

>>105766133
wincucks btfo
>>105766397
but nobody uses that not even normalfags

Since this thread is full of mouth breathers, webm related if you theoretically get to the download.

YOU GOT THIS CHAMP!

>>105767173
>0.19x
>wait what?!
>opens tm and shows off his corelet setup
kek

>>105766347
Everyone is already used to .exe and .msi installers and portable programs

>>105767222
More like encoding VP9 is inefficient as fuck unless you have an i9 doing a suicide run at 6.66GHz all-core. AV1 would fix this but 4chan is a piece of shit dumpster fire of a website stuck in the 90s.

>>105767173
>Adding C:\ directly to PATH
What could possibly go wrong?

>>105767272
You're only ever going to encode up to 120 seconds of video. It's not that bad. It's bearable on my i5 laptop. Barely anybody has GPU decoding for AV1 so it's not worth supporting.

>>105767291
????

Windows just looks at the directory for files it doesn't include sub-folders afaik.

>>105767173
>>105767332
Peak of mount stupid

>>105767173
I know I'm not a smart man but why didn't you simply add the C:\Downloads\ffmpeg-7.1.1-full_build directory to your PATH environment variable? Then you wouldn't need to move the binary at all. And moving it to the root seems like a bad idea too.

>>105767303
Man at some point we really should stop letting the 10% of computer hardware out there prevent us from advancing technologically. Like what do we even gain from say using fax machines in 2025?

Ignoring anything weaker than haswell i5 seems like a pretty reasonable viewpoint.

>>105767534
Well my phone doesn't decode AV1 in hardware. My laptop does though. It's not going to happen until there's market penetration. I'm sure it will happen eventually. But don't forget that we have a 120 second limit and pathetic file sizes. It's not like we're going to work miracles by switching to AV1. It's diminishing returns.

If the dev is too lazy to compile it, it's not worth using.

>>105767682
That's not really true with ffmpeg. You might not want your version compiled with the same options someone else does. I'm really particular about it and always compile my own rather than using the one maintained by my distro. I update it infrequently too.

>>105767707
It is, VLC is better anyway, still.

>>105767716
That's apples to oranges. In my job I use ffmpeg to create the streams. I use VLC to check that they're working.

>zoomer thread
sage

>>105767868
>zoomer
how

I just use VirtualDub.

>>105767635
lol

AV1 is a HUGE ridiculous absurd leap from VP9 at least for anime which is kind of pertinent to an ANIME WEBSITE. You can drop down to MP3 bitrates (a requirement for 4MB file size limits) while keeping Full HD resolution. It's like 90% more efficient compared to H264.

https://files.catbox.moe/1wc0kq.webm

>>105766787
>cache search application
No one does this because it doesn't make sense. If the application does not exist in the repos you are using, then it will not be installable, whether or not a cached list shows that it once was.

>locate correct install instructions
>install application and laundry list of dependencies
That's not how it works when you are using a package manager. It does the installation for you and handles dependencies in the process. Whether it's from a default or third-party repository makes no difference.

>application not found
This is why Flatpak exists, so, in reality, your headcanon workflow would end with:
>flatpak install application

Thus, rendering your entire made up scenario fake and gay retardation, from a nigger.

why does just downloading an .exe or even a .zip trigger linuxfags so much? why does portable software trigger linuxfags so much?

>>105768031
Videos not related?

>>105767173
what the actual fuck

>>105767173
This is what they need to do to achieve 1% of Linux's power

>>105767173
and they say linux is the tinkertroon OS

>>105766004
its so that you can install microshit compiled tools with builtin spyware

>>105766603
you meant WITH a gui, right?
literally every part of it is easy and accessible from the command line

>>105767173
oh shit nigger what the fuck are you doing

Here lil nigga
https://github.com/BtbN/FFmpeg-Builds/releases/tag/latest
Download: ffmpeg-n7.1-latest-win64-gpl-7.1.zip

>>105769148
be careful, this makes nerve gas

>>105765821 (OP)
>Windows EXE Files
Lmao they literally wrote this in the header because of how dumb wintoddlers are

>>105766347
because only autists use the temrinal

>>105769208
So go back.

>>105769208
why are you gay?

>>105765821 (OP)
choco install ffmpeg

>>105766397
>App store where free and open source software is sold with actual money.
>Has nothing other than crappy microshit software and candy crush saga
Nice cope

>>105765821 (OP)
scoop install ffmpeg

>>105767173
ewww i forgot how retarded windows is lol.

>>105768073
>i don't use the package manager so none of this is real!
Cute response. Unfortunately, you don't know what you're talking about.

cache-search is a very useful tool and you'd have to be stupid not to use it, because there's no guarantee that Application is listed as "application" and not something like "app2" or "gnuApplication" or "libapp" or "app-stable".
Having to add a repo for a specific package is also not uncommon, and is something that even Wine requires if you want an up-to-date version on Debian. There's no way you'd know what to add without looking it up in the first place because, try as you might, you cannot intuit "http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ $(lsb_release -cs) main", let alone the required GPG key.
>flatpak install application
Whoops, Application doesnt use Flatpak. Guess you gotta add the repo like the website's install instructions told you to.

Installing some things on Linux isn't as straightforward as it should be, and anyone who actually uses it knows that.
Don't act dumb, retard.

>>105769957
don't worry, it is retarded but not as much as the retard who recorded that webm. none of what he did is correct

>>105769141
>>105770091
I don't get it. It worked for me. I even renamed in.mp4 in the script to in.gif and it converts gifs to webm just fine.

Here's the bloated source gif used for the webm conversion if anyone is curious. Over 2MB reduced to less than 500KB is pretty nuts imho.

>>105767173
>adding C:\ to PATH
This is rage bait

>>105770231
W-wh-what does that do?

>>105770165
i didn't say it wouldn't work. it's just a fucking stupid way to accomplish what you're trying to do. that's not how you install ffmpeg on windows.

>>105767173
Nigger, just use Scoop.

>scoop install ffmpeg
>installs program without prompts
>Adds tools to $PATH automatically.

Wow, that was easy!

Or you know, use WSL2 to run Linux directly on Windows...

>>105769967
This whole response is an enormous strawman, and you are a huge faggot.

>i don't use the package manager
But I do, and never even remotely suggested that I don't.

>cache-search is a very useful tool
I never said that searching your package manager's cache of available software is not useful. I said that searching the cache for the same application that is unavailable in the repositories is pointless. Package managers like dnf and apt allow for equally flexible searching of both their cached lists and remote repos. If 'some-package' doesn't show up in the repos, you're not going to be able to install 'some-package'.

>Having to add a repo for a specific package is also not uncommon
Neither I, or anyone else, suggested otherwise.

>Whoops, Application doesnt use Flatpak
Between Flatpak, official repos, and third-party repos, you are going to find what you need the vast majority of the time.

>Installing some things on Linux isn't as straightforward as it should be
But it is. You are just a disingenuous cunt. '[package-manager] install' is as simple as it gets. If one really needs to convolute the issue, there are GUI frontends and so called "App Stores" for most package managers out there too.

>>105765821 (OP)
i... dont know

>>105771069
>But I do
Nah.
>I said that searching the cache for the same application that is unavailable in the repositories is pointless.
Anachronistic logic. You'd have to already know that the package isn't in the repositories, which you'd only know by having checked in the first place, either by running a cache search or by looking it up.
You're saying that using the tool for its purpose doesn't make sense because you'd have already done it.
>Between Flatpak, official repos, and third-party repos
>third-party repos
So the exact scenario that was presented? Ok.
>But it is.
If you're asking the average user to search for instructions on how to even install your software, no it absolutely is not as straightforward as it should be.
>inb4 b-but I figured it out so it's easy!
Congratulations, we're not the average users.
Dismissing usability from behind a false sense of superiority is exactly why Linux will never be more than an enthusiast's plaything.

>>105770252


Open menu
>adding C:\ to PATH2k8hg
This is rage bait

Explain


.
o4-mini
In Windows, your PATH environment variable is a list of directories the shell searches through (in order) when you type a command. If you stick “C:\” (the root of your entire system drive) at the front of your PATH, you’ve effectively told Windows:

“Before looking anywhere else, check C:\ for any program matching the command I typed.”
Any .exe, .com, .bat, .cmd, etc., sitting directly in C:\—whether you put it there intentionally or malware dropped it there—can be invoked accidentally or maliciously.
Why it’s “rage bait”

• Security hole: Malicious actors or misbehaving scripts can plant executables in C:\ named “ipconfig.exe” or “notepad.bat,” and you’d run them without realizing.

• Stability nightmare: You might have old test-scripts or randomly named files in C:\ that suddenly shadow system tools. That can lead to baffling “it worked yesterday, but not today” behavior.

• Bad hygiene: Wildly expanding your PATH opens the door to name collisions, unpredictable tool versions, and hard-to-diagnose breakage.

Best practice instead is to include only the specific folders you need (e.g., “C:\Program Files\MyApp\bin”) and, if you must reference C:, put it at the very end of the list so more specific/system folders are always checked first.


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>>105767173
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc starts playing

>>105766480
It is.

>>105765821 (OP)
just use one of those package managers for windows like chocolatey (don't use the official microsoft pkgmgr because it requires a microsoft account)

>>105766004
Windows Store.

>>105766347
Because windows users are retarded.

>download a build
>gyan.dev
>btbn

Are the people running this show retarded
Those words dont mean anything to average windows user

>>105771467
>Anachronistic logic
You clearly do not know what anachronistic means, and seem to have a poor grasp of what constitutes logic.

>You'd have to already know that the package isn't in the repositories
Yes, most people run dnf search, apt search, pacman -Ss etc... to locate the package they wish to install beforehand, and if they don't, they would obviously do a search after the package has not been found. I'm saying that you, objectively, have no point, and need to hone your trolling skills a bit more.

>instructions
What the fuck are you talking about? You search for a package, if it's not there, you have flatpak or snap to fall back on. If you still cannot obtain the software that way, then you can search the web and find an appimage, a precompiled binary, or yes, add a third party repository. With the exception of those in need of niche software (e.g. Developers and enthusiastic hobbyists), the vast majority of users will not end up needing to look for appimages, or add third party repositories.

>the average user
The average user will more than likely never have to go beyond their default repos and maybe flatpak or snap. Again, it is very simple to install software at the command line, and there are a wide variety of GUI frontends for most package managers, so the average user is fine. Retards on the other hand, are not.

>Dismissing...
I'm dismissing your strawman, not usability, and this has nothing to do with superiority, on any level.

>is exactly why Linux will never...
It is ubiquitous in the server arena on a global level, and is used by developers of all stripes, everywhere, including in a wide variety of corporate environments. Hell, this is even the case for devs at Microsoft, Motorola, Samsung, Huawei, and countless others.

TLDR: You must go back [to reddlt].

>>105765836
nigger
a normie can just use ChatGPT and type in "how do I download dis shit"

>>105772759
And it'll jeet it up like >>105767173

I'm kinda horrified about the future full of college graduates who can only ise shit gpt and can't think on their feet. The disasters will make Boeing from today look like a good company....

>>105766133
a surprising amount of Linux software in the average package manager simply doesn't work. you download it, it seems to install fine, and then it just won't run. why? well, half the time nobody knows, the other half it has some dependency that's in a repository that isn't in the package manager. where is it? well, that's your problem.

Install the package manager https://www.marticliment.com/unigetui/ then install everything you want.

Install ffmpeg as an administrator if you want the console commands

>>105766347
winget actually requires you to use a microsoft account

>>105772903
You shouldn't need to add it to PATH on Windows at all really, unless some retarded software requires you to do so.

>>105773900
it does not
>>105766347
because it is relatively young, it didn't start shipping with the OS until late in Windows 10's life

>>105765821 (OP)
winget install ffmpeg

its that simple

>>105766040
and there's nothing wrong with that

>>105766347
because its useless as per microsoft autism it can only download and run the installer, thereby defeating its purpose

updating using winget is a nightmare

for me, it's UniGetUI

>>105774044
package manager is designed to repackage the program, so you install it without the installer wizard

>>105773840
what retard installs CLI tools from the GUI?

>>105774071
package manager is supposed to do everything for me

>>105766040
in linux you can install and update all the programs in your computer with one click
in windows you have to install one by one and update it one by one
and only necessary libraries are included in linux, while windows include everything in c:\system32 which makes your os bloated beyond belief

>>105774104
exactly my point
without package manager you have to update your installed programs one by one

>>105774125
>in windows you have to install one by one and update it one by one
>winget update -h --all

>>105774133
you still have to with winget

>>105766133
I actually think the Windows way should be the default (minus the spyware). The vendor should have a good, legit distribution channel that they maintain and allow you to install it at your leisure.

I want notepad.exe, I download notepad.exe and that's the end of the story. I know where it is and I only installed that one piece of software.

App stores and package managers are ultimately restrictive to the users. It takes liberties away for the sake of convenience, trying to keep them running software in userland. Package managers bring bloat and chaos.

That being said I guess package managers are the lesser of the evils, but I still dislike them in a way. I still use them but I wish I didn't have to.

>>105765895
No, you most definitely don't.

over complicating things is part of the feminization of society. the masculine mind makes things logical, straightforward and simple (e.g a man is a man and a woman is a woman, as seen when men ruled during the patriarchy). the feminine mind creates complications. society is dominated by females now, and their non binary unintuitive twisted logic pervades in everything

Wintards like to shit on saying that Linux distributions have too many options, yet they cannot decide on a fucking package manager. winget, choco, unitgetui, windows (((app))) store...

>>105774155
>apps that made by microdick only gets the update
>thinks he updated all the app same as linux
>why ccleaner didn't get the update?

absolute peek of wincuckery

>>105766010
>Argument alias was not recognized for the current command: '-upgrade'

>>105774296
>point cursor
>double click .exe
>it installs

easy. straightforward. self contained. preservation friendly. the male way of doing things

>download in a terminal
>add mirror list
>fetch dependencies
>software installs
>upgrade kernel
>software breaks
>copy files to another machine
>sorry you cant use that without missing dependency
>headaches, troubleshooting
>always need an internet connection
>need to read documentation to know commands and options
>uh oh that distro doesnt have that package
>add alternate mirror list to package manager
>still doesn't work, you're on the stable release of said OS
>try to use backports
>dependencies wont install
>find other method to install
> .deb, .rpm, .sh, git clone, flatpak, app image
>git clone
>sorry missing dependencies
>try to copy to another machine
>sorry you're missing a dependency, would you like to download?
>you need internet to troubleshoot this issue
>sorry for flatpak you need freedesktop dot something runtime
>sorry you need gcc build tools compiler whatever tf
>.deb install
>you're using wayland sorry screenshare wont work
>sorry you need polkit for this to work

no wonder that stinking festering open whore of an OS turns you into a tranny

>>105774316
>it doesn't update 3rd party software
nushell, openhashtab, OBS, PDN, KeePassXC, Pandoc, 7-Zip, and Shotcut were all updated in that run

>thinks he updated all the app same as linux
nope, I don't let winget manage all my apps, on Linux I do let the first party package manager handle everything it can
>why ccleaner didn't get the update?
because I don't have ccleaner installed.

>>105774336
>integration with github
>need compilers
>git clone
>sorry that repository was taken down, you no longer can ever use that software
>sorry that software wasnt self contained, it had dependencies from 100 different sources, all which are outdated, or have been taken down
>you need python to install this
>pip install faggot-software
>you must create a venv
>you need a docker container for this
>just read the 5 page documentation on github, its way better than point and click
>sorry no GUI
>learn to use the terminal you noob

>>105765870
>choco
>scoop
windows never fails to make me laugh

>>105774336
>lying on the internet
anyway, for niggers like you, there's also a GUI wrapper around apt/yum

>>105766133
Allat and yet most people still use windows over linux.

>>105774365
>point cursor
>double click .exe
>it installs

just do this you pretentious faggot transvestite

>>105766010
>>105774317
Oh it worked without the first dash for some reason and found a bunch of malware.
time to SFC /scannow, sirs!

>>105774374
how do you locate the executable?

>>105767173
>adding C: to the path variable

anon are you living in 1997 by any chance?

>>105769077
Because in windows we use GUI windows instead of living in the 1970s. It's in the name. No need to memorize manpages like you're studying for an exam.

>>105774396
>no reply
concession accepted

>>105767332
Did you just... double down?

>>105773809
Never happened a single time to me in the 15 years I used Linux, care to share the packages that don't work so I can try it out? You surely didn't just make that up didn't you?
>>105774170
>Package managers bring bloat and chaos.
It's the other way around tho. On Windows you install the same dependencies for every single program again and again because they don't share with other programs and you also need to find and install them manually sometimes like all the NET bullshit and DLLs or whatever it's called.

>>105767173
>windows just wor-ACK

>>105774336
>double click .exe
Did that exe file just magically appear on your desktop? Damn that sounds insecure as fuck

>>105775249
i think gl-117 is the specific package i was thinking of, probably under xubuntu.
on your point to the other anon: given the dependencies for many programs are small, i prefer having them kept with the relevant program - then to remove an unwanted program you can just delete the folder. if you're trying to save space by having everything share dependencies, you've either got to remember what dependencies are used by each program, or trust the computer to do that automatically. (which in the case of gl-117, it presumably failed to do - and if i fixed it, i'd presumably have to remember to remove the fix manually when i removed the program, while in windows i could just delete the folder.)

>>105765821 (OP)
Freetards are grade A morons who think that compiling is dark arts that only they can do.

>>105765821 (OP)
they don't respect your time

>>105765838
>>105765870
>>105765846
here you go, beta male