Literally why use any other 3D editing program?

Maybe I like spending thousand of dollars a month on fewer features. Try not being poor.

>>105775712 (OP)
I worked for a huge ad agency for 7 years before I went free lance. I don't use Blender, I mostly dealt with vectors but the 3d department used Maya and 3ds, and the video editing department used Avid (and of course use static graphics designers were balls deep into Adobe suite).
One of the main reasons is reliability and technical support. I suppose if you are a hobbyist this doesn't matter but for businesses with actual pipelines this makes a huge difference/

>>105775712 (OP)
Horrible and confusing UI. You could create advanced content in 3ds max without any guides, try that in Blender.

>>105775861
Once you learn Blender's UI it's way faster.
I looked at a dude animating in 3DS Max and that shit looked ancient. Everything required going into some menu, scrolling down, finding shit. Terrible

>>105775798
That's reasonable. Though after so many years I dont understand why you'd need tech support: either the employee knows how to do his job or he doesnt

>>105775861
scrub. Blender's UI is the best part.

The real reason not to use blender is bmesh starts to suffocate on meshes bigger thal like 10 million verts.

>>105775712 (OP)
Because your boss told you so. That's literally the only reason. There's zero reason to do that in personal projects.

>>105775712 (OP)
If you want to get a job in the industry, they would laugh you out of the interview if you mentioned blender.
Blender is a complete joke compared to real 3D software.

>>105775924
This is not true. Blender is used by professionals today. You're living 10 years in the past.

>>105775712 (OP)
it's not that intuitive, for hobby stuff it's absolutely fine.

wish parenting was easier and done in the outliner with simple dragging, like c4d.
cinema4d voxel remesh and smoother is far superior.

>>105775924
The (((industry))) always dislikes anything that isn't an ancient proprietary software with an expensive subscription, it's ok to learn these tools for a job, but never unironically take advice on what to use in personal projects from the industry, unless your goal is to get more experience with industry tools

>>105775712 (OP)
all 3d software will only be used to clean up or render ai generated models

>>105775712 (OP)
>>105775936
>Animation tools are awful
>Blender foundation is awful
>Sculpting tools are awful
>No teamwork or workflow
>Hardware dependency
>List goes on and on
Anon stop, Blender is just another 3D software. The worst one.

>>105775864
Ohno you have press the scroll down wheel to get the tool. Meanwhile Blender frags have to learn the 1000 keyboard shortcuts. Blender’s way is the worst way, I don’t even know how people found those keyboard shortcuts when Blender documents never mentioned it.

>>105776350
Funny you say that because moving a rig in Blender is extremely quick, compared to other programs that have the fucking ancient "sphere gizmo" (Blender has that too if you want it btw)

>>105775861
Blender's UI has always been leaps and bounds better than Max. At least use Maya in your example next time if you don't want to sound like a retard.

>>105776350
It doesn't matter how you feel about blender, it's used professionally and it's in significant numbers. Some guys using blender even won a movie award last year. The reason Maya and Max are still popular is workflows established in companies. Changing that is expensive. It has nothing to do with quality of software.

>>105778036
>always
bruh
did you even use Blender pre open source? Like in the 90s? I'd take 3D Studio MAX 3 or 4 over its contemporary Blender any day.

Blender's UI was absolute dog shit prior to like 2010 or 2015 or something. Anyone who claims otherwise is just a retarded Blender fag who probably never even used other software.

>>105778528
I used both max and blender in early 2000s and blender was much better. The UI hasn't changed as much as zoomers like to think. Blender was and still is built for speed using shortcuts, which anyone that is actually trying to get work done knows is faster and more efficient. I don't really give a shit if you think max is easier for retards to learn and use, because the rest of us need efficient software not software for newbies.

>>105776233
kek, ok good luck with that

>>105776233
Let me guess: you're on /g/ to get the info on the latest smartphone to buy

>>105775893
>either the employee knows how to do his job or he doesnt
Pro tip, they don't. Once you've say through enough support calls, you'll know

>>105776350
>I don’t even know how people found those keyboard shortcuts when Blender documents never mentioned it.

Huh? Just open the search bar with space, type what you want if you can't remember it and it even shows what's the hotkey for that.

>>105776482
Blender has that too, it’s how you control the character in the movies/games. You have to use controller in 3D, the alternative without controller is junky.

>>105775712 (OP)
>IgnorePkg = blender
mfw addons break on each update

>>105780242
How did they find that, not like software requireds a search engine. It should be in the documentation section and easy to understand. Blender really needs to stop assuming we can find all the keyboard shortcuts without knowledge.

I do use Blender from time to time when I need it. I use it on Windows exclusively however.

blender could literally suck your cock and autodesk golems would still complain that it's not 100% identical to what they learned in college

Even as extreme casual doing 3D shit only occasionally, I'm gonna say blender sculpting sucks dick compared to Zbrush and texturing is literally unusable compared to Substance Painter.
Judging from that experience, I'm gonna say the main thing is probably inferior to paid alternatives too, but Its probably only affects people who actually can into 3D.

>>105778500
Technically they didn’t win the academy award. The event is known for being paid trophy and advertising. Flow the Blender movie, never showed in theaters, the location for their movie is super limited. They did not receive the 4 million dollars they spent. The director even called out Blender for their badly water effects and how it also hindered production.

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/feature-film/gints-zilbalodis-on-the-improvisational-filmmaking-style-of-flow-244052.html

>We had about 20 character animators. Animation took about half a year. The whole production was five years.

>>105781049
That's a real problem but nigga I aint animating with fucking sphere gizmos alright

>>105780936
The alternative without controller is what I use and it works great. I press R then an axis hotkey to rotate, or I press R twice and do free rotation.
For movement I press G then an axis hotkey.
If I press the axis hotkey twice it goes from Global to Local.
It's extremely fucking fast to pose a character like this. Especially when you have auto-IK on for shit like the arms.

I feel like everybody shitting on Blender ITT doesn't actually know how to use it

>>105783348
I really like texturing in Blender, but then again I'm using a very stylized artstyle for my game.
For PBR materials I prefer Krita + Materialize

>>105776350
WTF do you mean, "hardware dependency"? Blender runs on a fucking Raspi. Besides, all your arguments look like arguments from someone who has never used any 3D graphics software. I've used Maya, 3dsmax, C4D and Blender and I prefer Blender over all others. True, C4D has caught up significantly and their MoGraph system is quite cool, but in overall versatility, nothing beats Blender.

Because they still haven't significantly improved animation and rigging tools. I hope it will be released soon.

>>105786685
>use Rigify
>boom, better rigging than any other program
wowow

>>105787318
Rigify is cluttered and finicky. I want Rig Nodes. And not some half-baked prototype. I want real, built-in Rig Nodes.

>>105787532
How is Rigify clunky?

>>105787584
The ORG-* bones thing for instance

>>105787732
What about them

>>105787820
Maybe they made sense before bone layers but they don't make sense now. Only 1 copy of the metarig should be needed per blend file.

>>105787958
>bone layers
*bone collections, I mean

>>105787958
>>105788019
Dude they're hidden by default. I literally dont get what the issue is

>>105788029
It exemplifies how clunky Rigify is. It's based on workarounds rather than a true well designed workflow. The Blender Foundation is addressing the issue but who knows how long it will be before it reaches stable.

>>105788161

>>105788199
>>105788161
The org bones are created automatically by Rigify and they're by default not visible.
Literally what do you need to do with org bones? Leave them be and do your job.

What a weird fucking complaint. Next you'll be complaining that your car's engine has pipes with an ugly color. Who the fuck's gonna see it?

>>105785954
>Im smart because i use alternative methods
No stupid, that’s not how 3D animation works. Every game, video, movies and simulation was done under 3D controllers. There’s a job for being a rigging mechanic in 3D. That itself pays money for animation team to animate the character. No one is going to pay someone who refuses to put controllers in Blender.

A Blender video showing why controllers are necessary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X590IZeyT1s

>>105778580
>The UI hasn't changed as much as zoomers like to think.
Earlier version would be literally unrecognizable and unusable to someone who only knows the current UI. Also it's apparently somewhat difficult to find old screenshots of blender.

>>105788253
Sorry, I will not settle for clunky software. I don't know why you're so invested in making me accept flaws.
We must always strive for improvement.

>>105788282
So wait, what you're complaining about is making CUSTOM rigs with Rigify?
Goddamn you're terrible at communicating.

And no, making custom rigs with Rigify is simple as hell

>>105788298
Ok bro, while you're rotating your sphere gizmo for an hour I've already made all my poses

>>105788317
Lets see them

>>105788253
>Who’s going to see
The mechanic who fix your car because something is wrong with putting nice color pipes and seeing it attract bugs in the pipes.

>>105788311
You literally say you won’t use it, that is what professionals call it since the invention of puppeteer technology. WTF is wrong with you.

>>105788326
>>105788341
>>105788365
why are americans like this

>>105788294
>Earlier version would be literally unrecognizable and unusable to someone who only knows the current UI.
You're retarded. It's basically the same UI except it's dark now by default instead of grey. All the shortcuts are still the same, the panels are still the same, I still use right click for selection cause fuck you that's why.

>custom rigs have a different workflow
UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!! We NEED....TO BE....BETTER..........MEN.......

>posing (an integral part of animation, which in turn is a huge part of being a 3D artist) still uses archaic gizmos that make you waste 10 times more time
that's ok :)

>>105785947
how do u guys not animate with the stock gizmos
I'm good at keyframing but idk what to do to escape gizmo hell

>>105788578
basic instructions here >>105785954

>>105775712 (OP)
Because Houdini is so much better.

>>105788763
For what? Blender does a thousand different things, Houdini does like 3

>>105775861
>Horrible and confusing UI
But enough about Maya, the thread is about Blender.

>>105775712 (OP)
i use the 2017 version of google sketchup

>>105788635
Shut up faker, using controllers is faster.

>>105788578
There’s no other faster way, just like there’s no better or faster drawing method. You have to learn to rig.

>>105791273
>has no idea about something
>hears about it
>instead of researching it, denies it and goes NUH UH IT DOESNT EXIST
The absolute IQ on this one

>>105791412
You are the only anon here who posts fake information about 3D. Never in my time in animation would anyone not include controllers. You honestly think those YouTube videos of Disney, Sony, WB etc that have 3D controllers were faked or something. Everyone uses controllers, that’s the only way to control the face, we can’t do anything to the face without controllers stupid.

>>105792788
>dyslexic midwit doesn't know what a gizmo is
Just leave silently

>>105775712 (OP)
I use Blender for modeling and Unreal Engine 5 for rendering. It is rather nice being able to render 4K animations on a single GPU and not having to wait hours for them to finish.

Epic announced at their presentation back in June they were partnering with Blender Foundation to get MetaHumans (their digital character creator platform) officially compatible with Blender.

10 years ago I don't even think Blender's existence would even be acknowledged if this announcement happened back then, but now they're getting first-class treatment from top studios. Times are definitely changing for Blender.

>>105792837
That’s a Blender thing, not a rigged system. You can’t always automate rigging and you should always know how to custom tune the controllers. Stop being a troll, we know you’re lying.

>>105784621
>Technically they didn’t win the academy award
Uh what? Yes they certainly did win one

>>105792837
Every single 3D program in existence has gizmo. Maya is called Axis: https://help.autodesk.com/view/MAYAUL/2023/ENU/?guid=GUID-F627EDA3-C627-43E8-B5F6-A8FC6175FAD6

Adobe calls it Coordinate system: https://helpx.adobe.com/dimension/features/coordinate-system.html

Houdini calls it Match Axis: https://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini/nodes/sop/matchaxis.html

It’s not a special feature, the only thing it does is move objects/bones. You’re stupid.

>>105775861
>try that in Blender.
it's very difficult and confusing if you don't know your way around it. blender's gui has never been intuitive. people will excuse it because they're too stupid to pirate something better and too poor to buy real software.

>>105775864
> b..b..but
nobody cares.

>>105794742
the academy award is well known for being an advertisement. There’s absolutely nothing special about the academy award.

https://www.vox.com/culture/24094589/oscar-winners-nominees-careers-who-benefits-most

> Many of these complicated outcomes boil down to three things that always seem to go hand in hand with the Oscars: sexism, racism, and the toxic combination thereof, misogynoir. Sometimes, though, the Oscars and the subsequent choices of the people who win them are just weird.

>>105794693
>is accused of not knowing something
>proceeds anyway, doesnt even bother to look it up
Terminally low IQ.
This is what gizmos are

>>105775712 (OP)
now the token maya paypig will seethe, u happy?

>>105794747
>Every single 3D program in existence has gizmo
My point was that gizmos fucking suck ass, and Blender is great because it doesnt need them.

I said so here >>105785954


That post is part of this comment chain.
You didn't read it or didn't comprehend it because... why exactly?

Anti-blender people being outed as some serious retards ITT

>>105794747
>"gizmos are ancient and clunky, Blender having a fast alternative makes it better from the rest"
>LOOK! THESE PROGRAMS HAVE GIZMOS
amazing reading comprehension

>>105797411
>Adobe, Houdini, Autodesk showings pictures of the exact same functionality
>No BlEnDEr iS dIFFenT
See how stupid you sound right now.

>>105797411
>>105797419
>>105797425
>>105797442
>Object Gizmos allow mouse-controlled translation, rotation and scaling in the 3D Viewport

https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/editors/3dview/display/gizmo.html

Ya you people are stupid, even Blender documents says the exact same functionality.

>>105799277
>he still can't fucking read and doesn't even know what the point of the argument is

>>105788763
It's not.

>>105775798
>One of the main reasons is reliability and technical support.
Elaborate

Now that Autodesk and Maxon have pretty much gone subscription-only and discontinued perpetual licenses for Maya, 3DS Max and Cinema 4D, I have found myself feel more and more alienated from them. To top it off, Maxon acquired ZBrush and then made it subscription-only.

Blender feels like a refreshing oasis from that.

>>105799277
Boy you really are fucking stupid

>>105799382
>>105800176
Blender community is so stupid they can’t understand the concept of moving axis is the same functionality as everyone’s else’s.

I keep reading the exact same functionality and Blender noobs thinking it’s different. Yet no one explains and the Blender documents clearly states it’s used to move axis.

Why do you two idiots think you’re trying to fool.

>>105800434
Blender has gizmos AND an alternative system that's way faster than gizmos.
You being completely ignorant of Blender does not qualify you to talk shit about it. The contrary, actually

>>105801365
Then show that alternative system you dumb fuck

>>105775712 (OP)
Jack of all trades, master of none. Procedural generation? Use Houdini. Animation? Use Maya. Sculpting? Use Z-brush. I only see it used professionally for rudimentary hard surface modeling. Most of the updates go towards cycles or some other random bs instead of harshly focusing on the most important use cases, modeling and animation. At the pace they are going it will be a decade before Blender catches up to TODAYS alternative programs.

>>105801365
There is no alternative method, not a single document from Blender mentioned. We can look at the Blender documentation stupid, why do you try to lie.

>>105801449
literally the first post that triggered this discussion
>>105785954
Congrats on not being able to read

>>105802230
again, see >>105785954
Why do you talk shit about a program you know NOTHING about?

>>105802619
Yes that’s exactly what it says in the documents in Blender’s website that was link in >>105799277

You can’t read, you never done 3D, you’re a fake.

>>105803248
Goddamn you're dumb.
I'm not denying Blender has gizmos. I'm saying Blender ALSO has an ALTERNATIVE to gizmos which is faster.

>durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr what is it

AGAIN this post: >>105785954

holy shit you have literally 80 IQ

>>105775712 (OP)
The main downside is that Blender's development is unreliable because it's not a concerted effort. Like when sculpting was going to be overhauled but the guy walked away and left the work half-finished because the main blender guys wouldn't let him move sculpting into a separate instance.

>>105782083
You must be new to modern day software.
- Windows has a search function
- MacOS has a search function
- iOS has a search function
- iPadOS has a search function
- Android has a search function
- Various Linux desktop environments have a search function

>>105785954
wait hold up
people actually use gizmos? what the fuck lmao!
like a month ago i briefly tried out maya at an intro course at some uni and bah gawd that shit felt alien and almost archaic to use. by default i think maya is more efficient but i missed blender stuff like the flexible snapping operation as maya's method was like going backwards in time to the wings3d days, or worse as it reminded me of "complicated" CAD software.

>>105803303
WHAT NAME IS THIS ALTERNATIVE, WHAT PLUGIN DID YOU INSTALL.

It’s so weird that you have not named this feature and you only always refer to Gizmo like in that post that also mentions Gizmo.

>>105805177
No one use it hence is why crazy anon is making shit up.

>>105805350
>WHAT NAME IS THIS ALTERNATIVE, WHAT PLUGIN DID YOU INSTALL.

The default hotkeys that Blender ships with.
Question: how can you be so angry at a program you NEVER used?

>>105806170
>Talks about Gizmo
>No it’s not Gizmo
>Blender does not document anything else
>There is an alternative guys I swear
>No such thing exists
The schizo feels threatened and refuses to answer as self defense

>>105807955
>>Talks about Gizmo
Dishonest statement: you said I "talked about gizmos" without specifying I was shitting on them for being archaic.
>>No it’s not Gizmo
Dishonest statement: you're the one who conflated the topic into something it's not
>>Blender does not document anything else
Dishonesty statement: you ignored the mentioned shortcuts here >>105785954
Once again:
G for movement, R for rotation. X for the X axis, Y for the Y axis, Z for the Z axis. Double-tap an axis to switch between global and local. Double-tap R to rotate freely.
>>No such thing exists
Those shortcuts are in all versions of Blender. They work in edit mode, object mode, and for moving controllers of rigs in animation.
They are in ALL versions of Blender.

You are dishonest.