Is there some logical implication that prevents us from building a flying saucer?

>>105788797 (OP)
You can, but I can't promise it'll be aerodynamically stable or easily controllable, and it'll definitely have drag at most higher speeds.

>>105788797 (OP)
No, they were quite literally built through the early to mid-20th century along with pulsejet turbines, and you mean an engineering rather than logical implication surely

>>105788797 (OP)
You would steal German IP.

>>105788797 (OP)
Yeh it's called physics

>>105788952
>physics couldn't prevent this

>>105789013
And it couldn't fly bar slight levitation. It's a glorified hovercraft.

>>105788797 (OP)
No, but Rockefeller will get mad

>>105789026
>And it couldn't fly bar slight levitation.
More accurately the avrocar couldn't hover outside the ground effect envelope, flight was simply unstable but not prevented as claimed

>>105789013
Yeah and it sucked shit

>>105789097
Physics preventing vs physics sucking are two different things

>>105788797 (OP)
I thought the current rumor was there were already craft, both stolen and built here on earth by humans, that can leave the solar system?

>>105789126
It couldn't fly

>>105788797 (OP)
UFOs are actually already real anon, we just don't know if they're aliens, interdimensional beings/aliens, human technology (either time travel or technology 200 years more advanced tjat than what is known publicly), or some bizarre psycho-physical (interdimensional beings again or similar) shit

>>105788952
Anon, "physics" doesn't mean shit, humanitys understanding of physics is inadequate and inaccurate. This shit already exists.

>>105789326
No it doesn't take your meds

>>105789310
Post your definition of powered flight that mutually excludes the wright brothers and that aircraft

>>105789339
You are just moving the goal post now. It is not practical to build a flying saucer. We tried and it sucked ass. There are better methods out there

>>105789339
If it can't go up in the air higher than i can jump it's not flying

>>105789332
Nigger, it literally does. It's literally confirmed that they're real and at minimum can do XYZ etc. We just don't know what they are/where they come from, or that knowledge is still protected, but either way we don't know. The most accepted theories is that it's a combination of different things, that they're not all just the one thing/one source.

>>105789404
No it's not take your meds

>>105789367
>You are just moving the goal post now.
Askhually the chain >>105788952 >>105789026 >>105789097 >>105789310 moved the goalposts several times, from physics "preventing" saucer-shaped craft to only "sucking", to now some arbitrary definition of flight (recall this is only for one specific instance in the avrocar, not other prototype vehicles of the same type) it's really not hard to use more precise language

>>105789368
In that case it was flight capable then, it just couldn't hover at that level (like most aircraft)

Thanks for the yous suckers

So to answer OP's question:
>flying saucers were built and could hover a few feet off the ground
>engineers could not get it to properly take off and fly in a stable state
>as a result the flying saucer is prevented by it not being useble

>>105788797 (OP)
That would be damaging to Big Plane's profits.

>>105789479
You could write there is no logical implication that prevents us from building a flying saucer, only a practical one given the documented cases available. Speculative engine technologies used in other craft obviously fall outside the bounds of implication, which is even true for detonation engine used in the Feitian-2 only a few days ago

>>105788797 (OP)
Lack of skill and understand about how physics work.
It's a natural limitation. Just like an elephant will never be able to make something simple (like, idk, glass or plastic), we'll never be able to fabricate, or understand anti-gravity vehicles.

Just leave it for the aliens, which are hundreds of thousands of years more advanced to us anyway.

>>105789596
>the design is flawed and retarded and doesn't work therefore we won't pursue it any longer
how is that not logical

OP here,

I need logical solutions, otherwise my space craft can't leave Earths orbit.

>>105789615
Kinda like, you're opinion.
For example, a saucer makes a terrible airplace, but maybe I want to make a coanda effect aircraft.
>Why?
Why not?
Then I'll use a saucer with a big round skirt.
Maybe I want to make a derigible that is easily maneuverable in all directions, fill the inside with helium make a big disk frame.

>>105789677
>>105789682

>>105789682
wouldnt really fit the flying saucer archetype thoughbeit

>>105789682
*makes a terrible airplane

And what about blunt bodies? I want to make a protective shield that's going to wizz through the atmosphere at suborbital speeds, suddenly a blunt round disk is great for keeping the bow shock away from the payload inside.

>>105789615
>how is that not logical
In the op the prevention not practically is the subject of implication

>>105789677
Sorry that you crashed here anon, a crash recovery team will be on its way shortly

>>105789723
*practicality

>>105789723
If something cannot fly in a stable fashion without killing a skilled pilot due to fault of user error it is prevented. Impracticality prevents it.

>>105789707
Get the Enterprise's magic power source for your engine and suddenly that's totally fine.

>>105789742
That is true, but computer control systems exist now. Flying wings were always an issue for pilots, but then somebody slapped some computers on it and now the B-2 exists.

>>105789742
>due to NO fault*
kek

>>105789742
Quite a clever conjunct but op didn't share your foresight

>>105789743
in Star Trek it isn't magic alhowthoughever

>>105789759
Those same systems made flying wings work due to them not being vertical take off vehicles. A flying saucer is a very different beast.

>>105789768
>we just need some more dilithium crystals in order to run our nuclear powered warp coils
Anon, I...

>>105789743
In the case of those electrostatic lifters the magic power source is a power station on the ground

>>105789759
>>105789790
Heck, even VTOLs have an infamous track record for crashes due to their designs

>>105789793
Yes that science in the future

>>105789793
Nuclear powered could infer a number of things anon

We could, but it would be a very brief flight time, be very difficult to refuel and would cause everyone in 200ft radius to develop cancer.

>>105789409
>The Earth is flat
>The moon landing was fake
>Antartica is a wall
>There isn't a cabal of rich billionaires raping children
>UFOs aren't real
t. you
At this point if you think UFOs aren't real, you need to take your meds

>>105789866
Show me the proof then

>>105789797
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingless_Electromagnetic_Air_Vehicle
Pretty sussy

>>105789854
If that thing was say 300x the size with a fusion reactor on board or something else we think we might get in the future power wise could it sustain flight without landing or would the weight prevent lift?

>>105789934
For terrestrial flight you don't need onboard power, it could just be transmitted from ground stations (assuming the wavelengths don't cook the passengers)

>>105789934
The problem with that system is that the fuel source is solid propellent, so a reactor would not work. Theoretically it can be scaled up and be remote opperated (the system started off bigger before being downsized) and with clever juggling have an extensed flight range, but still not a lot. It would have to be an interceptor only with no concern of it returning after interception

Yes, it's called zero-point energy manipulation.

>>105789881
Proof of what precisely? We (me and you) don't know what they are or where they came from, there's only so many possibilities however. UAPs are public knowledge anon.
>No official confirmation of aliens/ET
>Non human intelligence not ruled out
>Emphasis on non hostile intent
>Declassified documents like the 2021 report - only 1 explained incident with a mundane source, rest unidentified with "unusual" movement
>2023 congress hearings
>Grusch, a former intelligence officer alleges the glowies have recovered both mon human craft and bodies
>important to note there is no official confirmation of ET
>but official confirmation of UAPs themselves
>confirmation of several secret programs
>U.S. navy pilot and radar operator reports
>Pentagon confirmation that video evidence of UAPs are authentic and real
>multisensor corroborated events using radar, FLIR, etc

>>105790034
Isn't that just a beam propulsion system test?

>>105790035
>>Grusch
A known disinfo agent who used to work in cyber-based operational intiatives.

>>105790066
>>Pentagon confirmation that video evidence of UAPs are authentic and real

>>105790086
And? I am talking about Grusch

There are people browsing this thread that don't know the U.S and China have scaler devices. Let that sink in.

>>105790101
Doesn't matter, he may well be right or not, regardless it doesn't detract from the fact that UFOs are real.

>>105790108
Well duh. Everyone needs dentists

>>105789820
Nuclear powered farts

>>105790108
>scaler devices
I know the point is that this is a humble brag that no one actually knows what it is but what is a "scale device"? Is this another one of those /k/ consipracys over simple EMP stress testing equipment?

>>105790108
BEHOLD

>>105788797 (OP)
We need to invent Flying Teacups before we can move onto Flying Saucers.

Also I believe the development of the Cat-Toast device is much more promising than development of flying saucers.

>>105788797 (OP)
>building
no
>the flying part
yes

>>105790344
>>105790368
Dumb bong

>>105790225
Scaler weapons were a required invention from the U.S after other county's started their own anti gravity flight vehicle programs. The U.S needed a way to stop enemy's using the same platform against them. A scaler weapon is designed to blind the field around the craft to prevent sight and position in 3D space resulting in the craft crashing. It's known in these programs that you don't fly these crafts in a traditionally manner you fly vertically then horizontal but always return and reset at a vertical point above the earth to prevent a crash or being disabled by your enemy. This is why crafts are often reported to go straight up and into space and vise versa from the sea etc.

>>105790538
Sounds interesting. Can you point me to some reading material about them?

>>105790052
You tell me? I thought NHI UFOs utilized zero-point energy, meaning spacetime manipulation.

>>105790662

>>105790674

>>105790681

>>105790662
>>105790674
Yeah I think that might be a light propulsion test.

>>105790034
>a blurry shit photo and 12 year old could fake

I hate ufo fags so much its unreal

>>105790662
>NHI
You fell for the psi op no such thing as aliens just technology we build through experimental research and development and billions of dollars being "Lost" and allocated to black sites. Aliens are fantasy the cool shit we catch flying in the sky is just us doing badass engineering marvels with the assistance of greatest minds, funding and protection from the Department of energy of which has greater power then world leaders. You thought a single man that was previously an actor on tv is running the most powerful country in the world kek. Sorry you fell for the Hollywood project blue beam sci-fi scare meme bro it's just aliens aren't real.

>>105789677
Good one anon

>>105790728
Ok bro.

>>105790732
But our history is filled with evidence of some kind of beings visiting us. You can believe what you want, I don't care, I've done my personal research and come to the conclusion that there's some external technologically superior presence here on earth.

>>105790797
>But our history is filled with evidence of some kind of beings visiting us.

I like how you posted another blurry shit video of le mystery

This has been the formula for 80+ years and you retards gobble it up every time

>>105790820
I posted blurry footage for the anon who hates ufofags so much it's unreal. :D That blurry clip is about 20 years old now.

>>105790829
wow a blurry video from like a year ago... you sure convinced me.

Germans are the only ones who can build them. America could steal the technology but could never replicate it. "Their" stealth bombers were also build by germans.

>>105790829
>heres another blurry shit video of a almost stationary light

Damn is that a almost stationary light lazily moving vertically in yet another blurry as shit video?

surely, there could be zero logical ways to film this

>>105790847
There is no single clip or image that's going to convince anyone. Everyone can do their own research and cross-check the evidence if they want to draw some conclusion. I drew mine last year. Unlike many /g/ posters, I have no ego.

>>105790880
There are many ways to fake that video and many other UFO videos. Also 90% of footage nowadays is retards filming planes.

>>105790900

>>105790847
Just posting few clips. This one I had to compress because 4chan file limits are gay. This is japan, hokuto city, yamanashi, august 11th 2016

>>105790965

>>105790797
>>105790820
I hope it's true so I can do the Make Contact emote on a mountain and leave you retards, I'm ready to RETVRN to Shambhala

>>105790829
>>105790847
Looks like a rocket launch desu

>>105790797
You are incapable of coming to terms that it's just us flying around with experimental toys. You want aliens to be real so bad that you will die to defend the idea. It's time to stop being a puppet slave to the psychological operations departments that obfuscate the truth and let go of your Hollywood programming and face reality. There are no aliens it's just us we passed the great filter by pure luck nothing is supposed get this far statistically due to dynamic theory. Now we are snow balling as a borg entity and have given birth to AI if we leave soon we will own the stars and choose our own destiny there doesn't need to be cross over between fiction for the future to be cool. If you can cross this hurdle of there not being aliens you will learn and understand the topic a lot better.

>>105790998
I am also open to this possibility, it's just that currently I think the most probable truth is that we are not alone here. It's not unrealistic at all to think that an advanced civilization would send unmanned self-replicating probes all over the galaxy, it's actually very logical and on a cosmic timescale it doesn't take long for these probes to spread everywhere.

>>105790829
rocket launch from a plane. they sold plane tickets for it

imagine trying to tell everyone that aliens exist but being so retarded just believes every bullshit without any further research

https://www.timesnownews.com/videos/viral-videos/nasa-engineers-video-captures-breathtaking-view-of-rocket-launch-from-plane-video-103353172

>>105790035
Proof that flying saucers exists mongo not your schizo nonsense fuck off

>>105788797 (OP)
we don't have a stable isotope of E115 yet

>>105791935
>literal admission from Pentagon and government bodies
>literal video with additional sensor data like FLIR
Take your meds, claiming UFOs aren't real is a conspiracy theory and at this point you need to prove the claim that they aren't

>>105793795
>believing the government that told you they didn't exist for generations when they switch the narrative to agree with your beliefs

>>105794257
So you're an unhinged conspiracy theorist, got it.

>>105788797 (OP)
Not really, but they're less stable and slower than conventionally-shaped aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Cypher
It's not even a problem of "omg the tech isnt there to stabilize it" -- they could be gotten stable; it's just not a very good design for most applications.

Open rotors like on a helicopter are lighter and easier to control and have some later-discovered features that make them superior to ducted fans in general use (autorotation mostly; when the helo is in motion the rotors even if unpowered provide enough lift to glide somewhat; a ducted fan blocks airflow so this doesnt happen and you need to rely on wings for lift)

for planes and other zoomy aircraft, it's easier to mount the fan/jet/prop/screw/etc in the direction of travel and use wings to keep it aloft. If it has to take off in a very short space, it's been found that it's easier to just tilt the whole goddamn propulsion system (like an F35, Harrier, or even the Osprey aka Marine Killer 9000)

And finaly, just in terms of simply being Fucking Cool... People don't care as much about aliens anymore, and the typical "alien space craft" design has gone away from the classic saucer design to more angular nonsense.

Even if there's memey unhinged schizo technology out there, it would be better served driving conventionally-shaped aircraft because at the end of the day they still have to operate in atmosphere and Unobtanium Drives are cool and all but lift from air passing over wings is literally free once you start moving.

>>105790344
i smiled. i didnt laugh but i felt warmth in my heart. good post anon

>>105792491
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium#Nuclear_stability_and_isotopes

GAH DOOD

>>105788797 (OP)
Stop asking questions, goy

>>105789854
I love how everyone who worked on this is losing it in the background of their first test-flight video. I love it when a project comes together.

>>105789854
Sounds like AC4A IRL, fund it.

>>105790797
>mkay bruh
this shit isn't blurry, it's fuxking censored
>but military quadrilion dollarino aircraft has a 240p camera that someone shat on for decades.
Get fucked tranny, you and your alien boyfriends.