Thread 105804189

why does everyone hate Python now?

I remember back in 2015-16 being /g/'s favorite programming language along with C.

Now everyone seems to hate it. What happened?

>>105804189 (OP)
>everyone
On the contrary, Python is one of the most popular languages, if not the most popular, right now. Contrarians on /g/ aren't everyone.

>pooetry
>mypy being slow as molasses
>toolchain is a dog's breakfast (setuptools, pip, venv, requirements.txt)
>official async is still botched after three (3) attempts and the community is split between gevent, asyncio, and trio (anyio is an abstraction over all three)
based Astral has fixed almost all of these issues thoughever. It's genuinely nice to work with these days as long as you don't have to touch legacy code that doesn't work with uv and ty.

>>105804189 (OP)
It used to suck balls to set up a simple CLI environment to script something. Nowadays tooling has improved thanks to >>105804224
>But Rust binaries in a dude-trust-me startup's repo is glowniggerware
So is 90% of the Python code ever shat out, use something else for personal tasks if you really care.

>>105804189 (OP)
Python has always been objectively retarded in every aspect and was rarly ever being used by real devs. But ever-since dumb indians started flooding github with badly written duct-tape projects it became mainstream.

Pajeets are single-handedly responsible for the dependency hell we have now.
No, it's not akill issue. It is nnot normal for an application to require a fucking container to glue a project together and even then it becomes unmaintainable in a production environment within a year tops.

Python has always been just a nocoder's scripting language and it should have stayed this way because of it's limitless flaws, but nooooooo, suddenly rothschild had to include an entire low-IQ nation full of street shitters into the game as if muslim brabaric dumb incestous animals weren't terrible enough...

And so, we ended up with a slow ass, badly built calculator used inplace of a supercomputer by absolute nocoder retards because of bandwagoning.

Compared to python devs, even webshitters are the better coders.

Python allows third world jeets to write third world code for third world software at third world prices.

It's basically the worst thing that has ever happened to computers.

>>105804208
>Contrarians on /g/ aren't everyone.
But OP was talking about /g/ specifically when he said "everyone". As in "everyone in /g/ now hates python".
Pay attention.

>>105804189 (OP)
Every single fucking thing ever made in python, you know immediately it's python. There's never, ever a moment where you say
>hey, I wonder how this works?
You already know it's python. It has some nonstandard install, requires snowflake environment variables, extra shit you don't have, doesn't work on a standard Ubuntu or Fedora install, has snowflake command line syntax, has no usage or help or man page, if a westerly wind blows you'll get stack traces, there's other dumb shit like not using capital letters to begin sentences with, and
> ******* IT'S FUCKING SLOW AS SHIT *******
Fuck python, it is a scourge upon computing and python developers are supreme faggots, change my mind.

>>105804498
holy buzzword soup batman

>>105804189 (OP)
I've always hated it. Frankly I hate anything with a package manager but even pretending pip doesn't exist, Python's still ass

>>105804817
I was giving OP the benefit of the doubt and not assuming that he would ask a question as stupid as why contrarians have opinions contrary to the mainstream.

>>105804861
Don't hate me cuz I'm beautiful

>>105804189 (OP)

Python is absolutely meh, old and ugly af, it's just ugly and retarded.

But it's been massively adopted by streetshitters and snake charmers, so we have what we have now.

The only advantage is that it's a bit less verbose than many other langs.

>>105804910
Your spacing is very pythonic.

>>105804921
He may format his posts like a retard but he raises valid points

Good for small scripts, big project you need types. Still, hell of a lot useful.

Python is for Brahmin

I tried to use Python, hated it immediately.

Python is great for scripting and small uni stuff, but the indentation and dynamic typing makes me nuts

>>105804189 (OP)
Yea I don't understand the hate it gets. If I just want to make something simple thing to connect an api I'm going to use it doesn't make sense to use a more complicated language when it makes no difference

>>105804189 (OP)
Python3 took over and made it shit

>>105804189 (OP)
>I remember back in 2015-16 being /g/'s favorite programming language along with C.
the C stuff was before even that. reading your SICP daily was every other post

>>105804189 (OP)
When C is easier to package and distribute then you know something is fundamentally wrong with the language. They should have made a compiler for it so people could ship exe's, even if they are just a react-native style whack an entire python interpreter inside an binary job. Anything is better than what Python currently offers.

>>105804189 (OP)
its literally too powerful for /g/ay to handle.

I used to love it but I can't care for it anymore. Simply because I prefer type-safe & compiled languages now. It just makes more sense.

Not to say that it's useless compared to them. It's probably comfier and simpler in most cases.

>>105804189 (OP)
>why does everyone hate Python now?

https://qz.com/1624252/pythons-creator-thinks-it-has-a-diversity-problem

This has a lot to do with it.

>>105804189 (OP)
Dynamic typing was the product braindead Californians and has always been a retarded idea. Dijkstra was right about everything.

>>105804189 (OP)
>get into diffusion via a1111
>becomes a bloated unstable nightmare when adding community extensions
>try comfyui
>became a bloated unstable nightmare when adding custom nodes
fuck this meme lang

>>105807499
>Simply because I prefer type-safe & compiled languages now. It just makes more sense.
Why do i need all of this for a scripting language anon

>>105809130
You don't. I like how predictable compiled languages are. Also
>Not to say that it's useless compared to them. It's probably comfier and simpler in most cases.

>>105807773
im actually working on something to fix this

>>105805117
>c is regarded as a dalit language
lmafo

>>105809130
>Why do i need all of this for a scripting language anon
Because you like bondage and discipline. S&M for you.

>>105810877
you can't fix retards + python

>>105804189 (OP)

Python is ugly.

>>105804829
Can you give an example of such issues? Something not working on Ubuntu is uncommon.

>>105805165
>Python is great for scripting
You mean Perl, right? Python code requires indentation so "scripting" is the one thing you can't do in it, since you're effectively prevented from writing one-liners.

>>105807119
>They should have made a compiler for it so people could ship exe's
Have you tried googling this?

>>105814806
>scripting
>one-liners
Not what scripting means. Scripting is writing a short program in a high level language that can be executed in runtime.

If it wasnt for the node developers trying to make node a pain in the arse to use for sync io it would be obsolete as the "quick and lazy scripting language"

>>105804189 (OP)
It used to be Python, Lisp, and Haskell.

>>105807071
>the C stuff was before even that. reading your SICP daily was every other post
SICP is Scheme, not C. C shills are the biggest liars on earth.