>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, X5/M, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y70/60, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (gaming included): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (13/14th gen -K CPU BIOS update required)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported, BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580, SN770
High end: SN850X
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU: compare price to performance & features, Optiscaler mod expands FSR4 support
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Mid range: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-performance 1440p & Mid-range 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX550/650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: Acer XV271U M3, AOC Q27G3XMN, Q27G40XMN (beware: QC lottery)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>> >>105822033

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid-range: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25 G2, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2

Prev: >>105815278

>News & Rumors
Update Radeon Adrenalin driver to 25.6.3 (performance improvement)
RTX 50 Super rumors: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: current 9070 prices in the US are too close to the 9070XT's.

>Product Notice
Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues.
Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, it can disable the board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor if you win the QC lottery.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

>Additional PSU Reviews
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies

For PSU tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?usp=sharing

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD&manufacturer=&pp=25&order=date
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Others
Leave constructive feedback to help improve the OP (including news worth sharing).
Share PC building-adjacent interesting/silly images for the next OPs.

>>105825898 (OP)
4K monitor alternative
OLED monitors are a scam.

>>105825914
when are chinese going to make their own gpus
nvidia monopoly is atrocious

>>105825978
Nvidia/Intel/Qualcomm are the minority on Linux. AMD is the monopoly. Linux is 3-5x faster than Windows.

>>105825966
>Acer Nitro XV27K P3
>Only 576 local dimming zones and 1440p AOC Q27G3XMN causes less blooming
>Hardware bug causes some units to lose signal @ the lower end of VRR.
No thanks.

>>105826005
>Nvidia/Intel/Qualcomm are the minority on Linux
FYI they aren't running AI servers on Windows
Most Nvidia GPUs are running on Linux

>>105826027
>1440p
No thanks

Hello Friends,

Please help me, I wanted to buy a pre-assembled linux PC from Tuxedo, but they said they don't offer one without wifi/bluetooth module and removing it voids warranty.

I want a pc without wifi/bluetooth because those are security issues.

So in the end, I concluded I will need to build my own pc. I am totally new to this, so please give me some pointers.

budget: under 2000 euros
use case: no gaming, web browsing, accounting work, business analyst work etc

I want it to work well with linux

>>105826029
The Nvidia GPUs are running in headless docker containers. Far different from your home computer Linux installation.

To put in perspective, the Nvidia GPUs are for servers without a display because they are designed to crunch numbers. AMD GPUS work with a display because they're designed to do things besides datacenter.

>>105826082
No.
https://docs.nvidia.com/jetson/archives/r36.2/DeveloperGuide/SD/WindowingSystems/WestonWayland.html
https://wayland.pages.freedesktop.org/weston/

https://youtu.be/hf1q1nwoj8k?t=659

another aussie is the one to fact check AMDUnboxed lies

>+9% gains since launch?
actually it's +1%

>>105826166
and he STILL recommended the card
9070xt goated

One thing that really pisses me off is that linux lvm-cache doesnt really issue trim discards commands to the ssd. This seems to fuck over most consumer ssds. Im considering buying and enterprise ssd, but Im not quite 100 if this solves the issue

>>105826276
I think you need to schedule a trim task in systemd

>>105826355
Doesnt work. lvm-cache is special

Thank the lord for DLSS. Honestly amazes me in every new game I play which supports it. 4K gaming is such a breeze.

>>105826380
dlss came out in 2020, who cares at this point

>>105826069
You don't need a discrete GPU (video card) for that use case.
Give us a link to that prebuilt Linux PC to help us know the level of performance you were planning to get.

This is good enough for accounting/MS Office workloads.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/3kpq2x

The memory kit is far from ideal for gaming, but it's good enough for office work (plus stable).

5900X+6900XT still just werks, no reason to upgrade

>>105826385
It wasn't universally good till DLSS 4. There was compromise before, worse image quality for better performance. Now it's indistinguishable to native for the most part. I get 4K image quality, high/locked target framerate and low heat and noise because I'm not stressing my card with native 4k resolution. It's just amazing tech.

>>105825914
>Update Radeon Adrenalin driver to 25.6.3 (performance improvement)
>Intermittent system or application crash may be observed while playing Cyberpunk 2077 on some AMD Radeon™ Graphics Products such as the Radeon™ RX 7000 series and Radeon™ RX 9000 series.
>Intermittent application crash or driver timeout may be observed while playing Monster Hunter Wilds with Radeon™ Anti-Lag and Instant Replay enabled.
>Stutter may be observed while playing Call of Duty®: Warzone™ Season 03 ‘Verdansk’ map on some AMD Graphics Products.
>Stutter and lower than expected performance may be observed while playing 4K resolution YouTube videos in Chrome. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to play videos in full screen as a temporary workaround.
lol

>>105826412
6900XT used to challenge the 3090 but now it falls short of the 3080 in most benchmarks, sad

>>105825978
They already have mooresthread

>>105826452
Toms disagrees

>>105826431
>2025
>AMD still can't put out a good driver more than 2 times consecutively

>>105826374
ZFS?

>>105825898 (OP)
I have done a lot of research trying to find the absolute best 1920x1080 24" gaming monitor at the cheapest possible price, and I've found it:

Acer Nitro XV240YM3 23.8" 1920 x 1080pixels IPS 16:9 180Hz

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/bd6c34ee

After weeks of trying to find the absolute best one, this is the one.

It sure as hell beats the ones OP mentioned.

>>105826617
>best ... monitor at the cheapest possible price
Doesn't make any sense.

>>105826639
It makes a lot of sense, trying to find a good monitor at a cheap price

>>105826617
>250nit maximum brightness for an IPS panel
>No reliable reviews
>Discontinued model
Kek'd.

>>105826646
The original sentence makes none. It can be the best cheap monitor or the cheapest good monitor, but not both extremes at once.

>>105826657
Say what you want, but it's the best one I've found. I looked at pretty much every model in the same price range.

>>105826404
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/3kpq2x

honestly, this could be pretty much perfect already. the prebuilt one I was looking at had tons of choices to make so I was never really sure how powerful to go

Currently I am working on a laptop thinkpad x1
>intel(r) core(tm) i7-10510U cpu @1.80ghz
>16gb ram
>1TB ssd
>intel(r) uhd graphics

and this laptop covers pretty much my requirements in real life, but it heats up like a frying pan.

I figured I would want a fixed computer with my first linux OS, this laptop has windows 10

and i would just keep the laptop, phase it out but keep it still, but start working more and more on the linux pc

>>105826673
The KTC H24T09P can be bought for $120 in the US, sometimes discounted to $100.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2165835/ktc-h24t09p-review.html
https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-h24t09p-review/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPBgtG70Ta8

>>105826694
i live in scandinavia and that monitor isn't sold here, so i am limited with my options

Acer X32Q FS releases in Aus in ~3 weeks.
AOC U32G4ZMN releases Q4 in Aus.

Both 31.5" 1152 zone miniLED.
Acer is IPS with 150hz
AOC is FastVA with 240hz

AOC has a stupid non-joystick menu, but it's a nice display, very low smearing for VA.
Haven't seen the Acer in person.

>>105826699
places that dont have amazon are considered third world to me.

>>105826703
Also Acer is 8bit+FRC - 99% DCI P3
AOC is actual 10bit. but only 97% DCI P3

>>105826709
Pretty sure Norway is more advanced than your burgerland

>>105826719
if amazon doesnt offer service in your area then they dont offer AWS and neither do competitors like Azure or Cisco.

In other words, third world infrastructure.

>>105826731
It's actually because Norway doesn't want Amazon to protect Norwegian businesses, but go on.

Also, forming your opinion on the best monitor from a YouTube video is cringe, dude.

>>105826609
Sounds enticing but is out of tree for stupid legal reasons

>>105826746
>Also, forming your opinion on the best monitor from a YouTube video is cringe, dude.
A display is something you can't simply rely on the spec sheets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqKTBCvoCVc

The monitor you picked is decent, but there are availability issues in the US and the KTC provides better value.
That's a Baltics, SEA/AUS regional product.

>>105826789
Yeah, I wondered why the monitor I found to be best barely had videos on YouTube, and if I searched it up I mostly got Russian search results. Also, if you search up the name of the monitor you get other Acer monitors with the same name, which is probably just Acer naming things weirdly.

>>105826687
You could get a more energy-efficient PSU, but I don't think it'll make much difference.
Your workloads will probably consume less than 150~180W total system power.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/cxxTwP/be-quiet-pure-power-13-m-550-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp024us

>>105826812
KTC is also the in-house brand of a display OEM, they're just cutting out the middle-man.

>>105826812
Acer are cheap, but they're on my blacklist after they refused to recognise a fault i had with a 1440p monitor years ago, i even sent them video footage of the screen cutouts i recorded on my phone for the second warranty claim, backed up by the pc store i bought it from who forwarded the footage on my behalf, they refused to honor the warranty (australia), buy at your own peril, if there's a problem with it you will likely be jumping through endless hoops. If your nations consumer laws are good, you'll eventually be okay, but don't risk it imo.

AOC are the best for budget monitors in terms of reliability and performance in my exp.

>>105826703
>AOC U32G4ZMN
Did you demo this monitor? Looks nice with a QD layer.
I'm wondering whether the size is too big for a flat VA panel.

>>105826866
Meh, AOC monitors at least here in Norway look mid at best.

>retards are unironically buying the 5070
we live in hell

>>105827070
there's no real alternative

>>105826166
Jofoos fact checked it live the other day, but they denied his findings.

>>105825068
>TECHYesCity tests AMDUnboxed claims and comes to the same conclusion as FC (Techyes +1.9% avg increase across everything he tested, FC +1.2% with my numbers I plugged in compared to the same games as HUB)
>Techyes shows that HUB used an even earlier review driver in the original video but during the latest video in the comment section he uses the release driver?

>>105816979
>Jofoos come to the same conclusion

>>105819141
>numbers plugged in HUB vs FC

Many people like sucking AMDSteve's mainstream techtuber cock, for what purpose? nobody knows!
>>105817202
>>105817250
>>105817295
>>105817321
>>105819102

Who will be right in the end? Stick around and find out in the next episode!

daily reminder, TECHYes is a honorary schizotuber and did podcasts with FC

5700x3d still worth it for AM4 stragglers who don't feel like doing a platform upgrade for a few more years if I can find it below 180 dollars? I'm on a 3600X.

>>105827070
5060 is the most popular purchase this month

>>105827154
yes

>>105827184
>750ti +0.01%

Other hardware reviewers won't replicate FuckFace Steve Unboxed's video card benchmarks because they don't rig the test conditions.
HWUB Steve unrealistically limits the GPU boost clock frequencies to match official specs, which causes a stock 5070 Ti to miss at least 300MHz of GPU core boost frequency.

Any meaningful differences between these two RAMs for my gaming laptop? It's a Legion 5 Ryzen 7 5800H RTX 3070
I don't know much about this stuff, I know the Integral is CL20 and the Kingston is CL22 but again, don't know what that actually means

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Integral-2x16GB-3200MT-Notebook-MacBook/dp/B0BB7ZD652
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/4019918?clickSR=slp:term:sodimm%20ddr4:1:126:1

Any help very welcome. Thank you!

>>105827464
Acutlaly I think I may have those CL's the wrong way round
Also, is 64GB RAM overkill or not? I usually max out 16GB

>>105827464
The Kingston memory has CL20, Integral is CL22. Lower is better, but it's not going to show any meaningful difference.
It's okay to buy used memory kits, especially if it's backed by Amazon for easy returns.
I'd buy the used Integral kit for £35.16 compared to paying nearly 3x for the Kingston.

>>105827070
it offers good value compared to the hilariously overpriced RX 9070

I thought AMD was supposed to be dominating NVIDIA but they still haven’t shown up on the steam charts, are we still using the “ITS BUGGED!!” cope like we did for RDNA3 sisters?

>>105827521
AMD is monopoly on Linux. Nvidia is minority.

>>105827525
>linux
so under a percent of desktops, no wonder their market share remains so catastrophically low

>>105827509
>nearly 3x for the Kingston.
That price only jumped up recently, I'm hoping it goes back down. I asked and it was apparently half that price all year, until July 1st which is around when I was beginning to look at it. Go figure
Thanks for the tip on used RAM, I thought used RAM could go "bad" quicker or something or wouldn't work as well

>>105827539
Memory chips are extremely durable, that's why most of the decent kit manufacturers offer a limited lifetime warranty.
Laptop memory modules should be even safer because very few people bother to OC them.

>>105827530
duh. steam is not required on linux. most prebuilts on windows are shipping steam by default like candy crush and your windows bloatware.

It's been a month since DLSS schizo made a thread, holy shit

>>105827630
He deleted his pubg review lol
https://steamcommunity.com/id/enkidusks/reviews/

>>105827647
nevermind its still there. really embarrassing stuff

>>105827630
>>105827647
>>105827659
fuck off and kys.

Is Capcom correct? Upscaling technology can alleviate CPU bottlenecks?

>>105827571
Thanks. Is there no drawbacks to buying used then or is there a little something to be wary about?
Also, 64 or 32? Yes I use Chrome.

On a 24inch monitor, how important is 2k/4k?
Is it a noticeable jump from 1080p?
And what's the deal with curved screens, is there any tangible benefit?

t. used 1080p flat screens all my life

>>105827793
depending on your gpu you either buy 32" 4k or 27" 1440p

curved screens are relevant for VA panels with poor viewing angles and ultrawides, but these days oled is the go to tech and it has great viewing angles so curve is not relevant

I've got a RTX 5080, do I just need to download the latest "game ready" driver from nvidia.com to be able to turn off the RGB on the graphics card or do I need something else to do that?

>>105827793
>24' on 1440p/4k
don't
27' 1440p or 32' 4k
curved screens are a meme
go to the store and check difference monitor sizes before buying

>>105827753
>Thanks. Is there no drawbacks to buying used then or is there a little something to be wary about?
Buy used kits from a retailer with a good return policy in case you end up with a dud.
That used Integral kit is sold by Amazon Resale so you should be fine.

>Also, 64 or 32?
That's up to you and how long you plan to keep that laptop.

>>105827808
You need an RGB management app.
https://openrgb.org/
https://signalrgb.com/devices/

>>105827808
Microshit was supposed to have solved the RGB problem with their universal RGB support in windows settings but apart from Logitech, nobody uses the API

>>105827808
It's a "Gigabyte Gaming" version of RTX 5080 btw, doesn't seem like it is supported by openrgb
https://openrgb.org/devices.html?search=rtx+5080

>>105827850
>signalrgb
Gigabyte RTX 5080 is not listed there either

I guess I need to download the gigabyte control center program, which bloats my system no doubt

>>105827863
at least there was an attempt

>>105827877
My gigabyte 5090 has basic support in openrgb's nightly builds. I say basic because per-zone lighting is broken and you can only set a colour for all zones at once

>>105827899
can you turn off all the RGB completely?

>>105827045
people with OLED 4k monitors shouldnt talk about budget monitors or price-vs-performance. You don't have the experience to relate.

>>105827877
thats the same problem i discovered with MSI, i wasn't able to tinker with the RGB in my system almost at all, until i installed the MSI malware control centre, they hardware lockout most of it without the drivers.

>>105827925
yes

>>105827877
just use gigabyte's rgb bloatware, third party tools don't have good comparability

>>105827968
thanks, i'll give it a shot
installing the nvidia driver seems to have turned off the rgb that made the fans on the gpu flicker, but the gigabyte logo still has rgb

Is there a DDR5 equivalent of this board by any chance?
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-B660-PLUS-D4-Motherboard-Thunderbolt/dp/B09NWDQ1TH?language=en_US

>>105827647
do you have a screenshot of his games library?
would be pretty funny if he only played low requirements slop while always yapping about how 4k-capable his dogshit gpu is

Completed it on Intel Arc.

I'm oblivious to how the gpu market works, are they restocked periodically or once they're sold out it's gone until the next Gen?

>>105827899
>>105827968
>>105827987
Didn't work, OpenRGB couldn't find the GPU. It only found my motherboard.
Guess I will have to install Gigabyte's control center.

>>105828050
restocked

If my AM5 system sometimes does a black screen with no video out even after a succesful post, is it the gpu, the cable, or the bios that is the most likely culprit?

>>105828050
there are restocks
there is plenty of stock right now because 5000 isn't selling that well and (american) retailers hoard gpus because of trump's stunts

Any suggestions? I'm trying to save as much power as possible while getting as much performance as I still can for the money.

>>105828050
stock is good in general now. its just the msrp period is now over unless you buy amd.

>>105828119
need more context. when does it blackscreen? before the windows logo? on the desktop at idle? during a game?

>>105828137
awful
if you are that poor, then look into used parts and reuse whatever you can from your current build

>>105826380
and people still want to play at 1440p makes no sense to me 4K DLSS4 has made making the jump to 4K monitors easier than ever

>>105828058
I could install Gigabyte control center, turn off the RGB, uninstall the control center and then the RGB stayed off.

>>105828166
after enter bios screen, after windows loads, before desktop loads

>>105828172
>awful
Well, it is my first attempt at a proper build for myself so I am not surprised, even if the priority is to ensure Ecodesign Directive compliance.
>then look into used parts
If the performance and value benefit outweighs the loss in efficiency and increased cost for power delivery, I suppose that is a good idea given the uninteresting state of the video card market.
>reuse whatever you can from your current build
Could if I had some that would work for this generation.

>>105828137
You will undervolt i3 12100f?
I donno what to say its an office computer? Or you want play on it? Then its awful. We need more info. 4 gb GPU x4 pcie lanes is a dead end.
>You can buy used 12 nm Ryzen 1200 for 12$ and undervolt it it has cpu power 45 watt or something or 7 nm 3100 it has 35 watts or Athlon 200ge with built in graphics.

>>105827805
>>105827816
thanks for the help
27 might just be a bit big for my use/space which is why i was thinking 24

would you advise against 24 in general or more just going for anything above 1080 at 24? i don't mind just getting a 24" 1080p.
1440p is 2k, right?

>>105828222
What GPU, what driver version, what OS/monitor?
Try reseating the GPU, you might try to switch between HDMI and DP too

>>105827837
>That's up to you and how long you plan to keep that laptop.
probably a while, but given 16gb RAM is the highest I've ever had I don't know how necessary 64 really is and if it's useful or just dick swinging

>>105828137
Get a Ryzen APU since all desktop GPUs suck power

>>105828249
The 12100f has better idle power and raw performance than any of the e waste you just recommended

>>105828137
4060 needs 100W but will be much more efficient and performant than a 6500 XT, that thing doesn't even have onboard video encoding and neither does the 12100F given it has no iGPU. Probs want to increase your PSU wattage to say, 500. PSUs do degrade over time.

If I can get the Liquid Freezer 3 420 at the same price of the 360, should I just go for it?

>>105828249
>You will undervolt i3 12100f?
That was my idea, yeah.
>office computer
Most of my time it will be idling in desktop as an office machine, but I do also want to play some games on it. Not anything recent though, new games do not interest me as much as seeing what I missed out in past decades.
>>105828281
>Get a Ryzen APU since all desktop GPUs suck power
Any particular models in mind? How do their GPUs compare performance wise?

>>105828259
1440p 27" is the mainstream choice
with how powerful gpus are with dlss 1080p makes very little sense

>>105828244
what the fuck
why do you even care about power consumption

>>105828222
usually boot issues are something wrong with your ram. is EXPO mode on? turn it off, most ram isnt compatible with it and its not well-explained or advertised when you're shopping for DDR5.

Most modern mobos auto-scan and set the ram to the advertised speeds for you, so you shouldnt need to make much changes. XMP-enabled is fine.

Reseat the ram first, carefully (set the pc on its back to do it), then try rebooting and check that.

>>105828291
so long as your pc can fit it at the top, yes, and the frame strength of the case wont be overly bent by it. I love my Antec Flux pro, but my arctic freezer 3 360 weighs down the top of it a little, which causes the side panels at the top to stick out 1mm each, they still hold position and hold the air-seal in just fine but its noticeable.

>>105828334
Damn and I was about to get the flux pro too...

>>105828296
I'd recommend the 8700g
And its less then half the performance of a 4060 but you save 80w using a 8700g vs a 12100f and a 4060.

You choice is basically APU that has the performance of a next steam deck on steroids
Or a 12100f and 4060 that uses 2.5 x the power for 2x the performance of the APU

>>105828265
5070, latest nvidia driver

>>105828340
to be fair, its very minor, and the case remains fully functional, i also set the radiator itself closer to the front of the tower when i assembled it, if i put in the effort, i could unscrew and re-attach it closer to the rear of the case and it might not have the bend at all, but im too lazy.

The Antec is a great case but the front mesh needs an additional mesh-cover to prevent excess dust buildup. The fractal meshify 3 XL is likely a better case though.

>>105828317
>why do you even care about power consumption
Here in Germany, the average electricity price for households is around 40 cents per kilowatt-hour. There is a lot of pressure on the subject of energy efficiency, which is why for instance there is major tax levied on automobile engines with displacements higher than 2.2 liters.

>>105828317
outside cost less power consumption also means less heat as a biproduct, meaning less cooling required, meaning less noise. can be especially important during summer if you live somewhere that's already hot.

>>105828537
It also means you don't have to pay up the ass for a bigger power supply in a place that is already toasty during the summer, especially if you live under a metal roof upstairs. No noise is also a comforting thing as well, people often forget this.

How difficult is it to actually put a pc together? I'm finally going to be buying a new pc in the coming weeks and I'm really scared I'm going to fuck it up somehow.

Also how does this build look to you guys? I know the gpu sucks, I plan on upgrading it in the future.

>>105828573
>microatx
why

>>105828486
>>105828137
What even is the use case for a 4GB VRAM card in the year of our Lord 2025? Im not even memeing im genuinely asking

>>105828629
Inferencing a specific light model you know is less then 4GB

>>105828629
to get (you)s on /pcbg/ duh

>>105828608
The case? I kinda have this little pocket in my desk where my current pc fits, and that case will fit in the same place. Also I like how it looks.

Is there a different one you recommend?

>>105828629
I have one and it runs Elden Ring, not well but well enough to play the game.

>>105828573
micro atx is a bit questionable unless you plan on frequently traveling with it or something because it's just gonna fuck your air flow
other than that it's a good build assuming your gpu upgrade somewhat matches the cpu in terms of performance. what are you thinking of getting?

as for putting it together, it's really just lego for adults. there's a ton of build videos so you can usually find something pretty closely matching your gear if you want to be extra sure to not fuck it up. just search for [case] pc build and see which one's the closest to your parts

>>105828306
thanks.
I was really set on 24", think 27" is just going to be pushing it size wise.
Is 1080p on 24" going to be bad, should I look for 1440p 24"?

adding to this >>105828693
>>105828664
micro atx is even worse if you're putting it in a cramped space. might as well buy an airfryer

>>105828573
Just be careful anon. It's really hard to fuck it up if you take your time and read guides and the manuals. Dont force anything, and nothing will break. If you're not sure about something, look it up.
For gaming get a 6000CL30 RAM of it's not too much more expensive. And as the other anon said. If you don't need microATX don't get it

>>105828693
>micro atx is a bit questionable unless you plan on frequently traveling with it or something because it's just gonna fuck your air flow

But it's made of mesh, how does it have bad airflow? Well if two people say it's shit I'll switch it out. Maybe I'll check Facebook marketplace.

>other than that it's a good build assuming your gpu upgrade somewhat matches the cpu in terms of performance. what are you thinking of getting?

I was thinking the RX 6750XT 12GB, ChatGPT told me it's good. Right now I only have a 1080p 75hz monitor so I don't see any point in getting one right now.

>>105828664
you are just asking for problems with unnecessary constraints
compact builds are more annoying to put together, airflow will never be as good, you have to chose compact fans, it limits you gpu choice, etc
check actual dimensions of the space you have, maybe you can put a regular tower there

>>105828753
>ChatGPT
Stop right there.
Your source is absolutely atrocious. And please dont ask shartGPT questions when you're actually putting your PC together. You will get trash info and fuck it up

>>105828758
>check actual dimensions of the space you have, maybe you can put a regular tower there

9inx18.5inx32in

The problem is that there's really no clearance on the top. Which isn't an issue right now becasue my pc doesn't have any top fans and the buttons are on the front. But I'm thinking that a more powerful pc will want top clearance and 99% of the cases I see have buttons on the top, which I won't be able to reach.

>>105826431
you should learn what MAY BE OBSERVED means
these are issues that a small percentage of users are facing, and how is them acknowledging the issues to assure that they will be fixed in a few months a bad thing exactly?

>>105828786
90% of the build came from advice I got here, I just wanted to see what it would say. One thing I did change on GPT's advice was the motherboard. I was originally planning on getting a ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 Micro ATX but GPT told me it sucks.

>>105828700
27" 1440p 360hz oled would be my pick

About to pull the trigger on this.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QjqGzP

Is there any part I should hold off on since the prime day is tomorrow?

>>105826431
>mid game slop
>denuvo malware
>kernel spyware
>Google spyware
Nothing is lost

>>105828753
>But it's made of mesh, how does it have bad airflow?
less space for the air to move around in and you'd make that even worse by putting that small space in another small space. the idea is to intake cool air from the environment outside of the pc but if the pc is in a small space, it will intake the hot air you're trying to get rid of

imo, the cpu is kinda overkill for that gpu unless you're thinking of upgrading again in the near future (especially considering you're on a budget)
what's the most you'd be willing to spend on a gpu?

>>105828753
oh and btw, you can get very good atx mid towers for not much more than that micro, like lian li lancool 216

>>105828880
your psu?

>>105828896
>imo, the cpu is kinda overkill for that gpu unless you're thinking of upgrading again in the near future (especially considering you're on a budget)

I was thinking the 7800x3d would be future proof and last me a long time. I definitely want a AM5 cpu so I can upgrade it though. Is the 7600X good?

>what's the most you'd be willing to spend on a gpu?

0 dollars atm, I'd really rather not make this build more expensive. I'd be willing to drop ~$400 in the future though.

>>105828950
Also I head the 3d series is really good at running map games like CK3, so I want it for that.

>>105828949
I have an 850w I'm adding to this

>>105828950
>>105828956
>I was thinking the 7800x3d would be future proof and last me a long time
>Also I head the 3d series is really good at running map games like CK3, so I want it for that.
ah, fair enough. yeah, it's a great choice for map painting autsim games
>0 dollars atm, I'd really rather not make this build more expensive. I'd be willing to drop ~$400 in the future though.
in that case, i'd probably set my sights on a 9060 xt (16gb version)

>>105828880
I would change the CPU cooler to the Peerless Assassin V3, it includes newer fans.
The fan blade design looks more modern, it should improve static pressure & noise (don't see point of introducing worse fans).
https://www.thermalright.com/product/tl-p12/
>Old one in Phantom Spirit
https://www.thermalright.com/product/tl-c12-b/

>>105829044
>in that case, i'd probably set my sights on a 9060 xt (16gb version)

Is that good for 1440p? I'd like to upgrade my monitor to that resolution as well.

lads what can you recommend for a cheap side monitor with decent color and stand (want to use it vertical)? can be 1080p 60hz for all I care.

>>105827184
0.32%?
So every type of card is somewhat evenly distributed or something?

>>105829085
with fsr and/or not at max settings, it should be able to handle most stuff well
this case >>105828938 is 20 dollars more than the one you picked but frequently goes on sale so you can likely find it for the same amount or less. probably top 3 in terms of airflow at that price

>>105829109
This one has no DisplayPort connector, only HDMI.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-24-plus-adjustable-stand-monitor-s2425hs/apd/210-bmgz/monitors-monitor-accessories?tfcid=33163968

>>105828573
The most important thing to do before placing your order is to look at the motherboard manufacturer's site and check that it lists support for the CPU and RAM that you intend to buy.

Also if you want to use Win10 make sure there are chipset drivers for that OS.

>>105829167
Oh yeah, also make sure both the CPU and motherboard can manage the amount of RAM you're buying. Probably not needed if you're only getting something like 64GB RAM total.

>>105828938
>like lian li lancool 216

Too big. I'm almost tempted to use my old case, even though it's ugly as fuck.

>>105829300
>gaming pc
>gamer
I will never not cringe at the toyification of desktop computers. They used to be used for so much more.

>>105829327
Gamer Xtreme dude. I bought that sucker with money I made form working at McDonald's. It's my first and current pc, it has served me well but it's time for an upgrade.

Also all of the RGB lights are dead.

>>105828629
>What even is the use case for a 4GB VRAM card in the year of our Lord 2025?
I think he just saw the cheapest thing that could still be usable for old gaymz

>>105825898 (OP)
>Q27G40XMN (beware: QC lottery)
Does KTC M27T6 have the same panel? Seems like a better monitor.

Going to finally upgradeaold laptop to win10, before the clean install goes down, any tips to not fuck up or enable the spyware?

>>105828355
>Or a 12100f and 4060 that uses 2.5 x the power for 2x the performance of the APU
That's not bad scaling actually

What about the Cooler Master N400 is this one good? It seems to be the perfect dimensions.

>>105829379
Windows 10 is getting discontinued so please don't use it. It's like still using Vista when everyone's moving to 7 and beyond.

If you don't want bloatware on Windows 11 then select English (World) in the setup.

>>105828573
Unless you use retard strength the only spooky moment is installing the cpu. Don't want to bend or break any pins. Just watch some videos and read the manuals

Where do you sell second hand parts these days? UK, and ebay is asking to be scammed while CeX pay fuck all. I won a 5080 I don't need in a twitter giveaway and just want some cash. Would be more than happy if I could get £900 for it (it's an MSI card that retails at £1200).

>>105829300
i assume the whole front panel isn't made of glass (even though it looks like it)
as long as those are intake fans actually intaking air, it'll be better than most micros
>Too big
your old case is about the same size
yours
>Width: 7.9in
>Depth: 17.9in
>Height: 18.5in
lancool 216
>Width: 9.25 in
>Depth: 18.94 in
>Height: 19.36 in

Why exactly does Am5 take so long to boot? People on reddit say 60-75 seconds is what they get on am5 with 32+ gigs of ddr5

my old 11400 rig boots in <5 seconds, 60 seconds feels straight out of 1992

>>105828573
there's nothing bad about micro atx, the other posters are retarded and you will regret having a giant full-size atx tower

>>105829495
>your old case is about the same size
It snugly fits where I need it. I have a tape measure with me right now, it won't fit.

And yeah the front panel is plastic, but all the fans run.

>>105829538
Are you sure? The more I look at it the more I feel like that case is the perfect size. I just don't want any temp issues.

What if I just leave the side open? Surely that will help with airflow.

>>105829523
memory training. there's two options to make it faster, "fast boot" and "memory context restore". the reason why they're not enabled by default is due to possible compatibility issues. same with xmp/expo.

>>105826687
Is it hard to assemble this? First time

>>105829602
I have fast boot turned off but memory training only occurs if I tweak the settings. This shouldn't happen on every boot.

>>105829554
>And yeah the front panel is plastic, but all the fans run.
but does part of it have mesh or little holes?
it looks completely solid in the pictures so i actually thought the leds were completely cosmetic at first and not fans
anyway, if it's going in that little cubby, i'd still advice against it for the same reason as the micro (except the problem is reversed because you have good air flow inside the case but it has even less outside space to intake cool air from)

>>105829602
So it’s just a stability thing?

>>105829572
there's a billion people with micro atx cases that don't have airflow "issues"
Your original case of sticking it in a cabinet will induce issues no matter the size

>>105829391
bit old but yeah, seems good to me

>>105829628
yes. if you oc your ram its usually recommended to disable both.

>>105829624
There's a vent at the top and bottom of the front.

Also I found this pic on the amazon page for my desk, my pc is sitting in there the exact same way as the one on the right. Is that a bad idea?

>>105829660
use your brain
can ambient air get to it? it's fine
can air not get to it? probably bad

5090 is 2x as fast as a 9070xt etc in games but cost 3x more
it's not worth it! the poorfags screech
but, say you are buying the same performance tier and price, expect a 30% gen to gen gain in this tier (if you even get that), it will take you 3 generations or 6 years for you to get up to a 5090 level
if you think about it, buying a 5090 now is like time travel, 6 years of your life for 2/3rds your money more
they say poor people wait and have infinite time, and rich fags time travel, it's true, a rich fag uses a jet to fly here do this do that, their time is their most valuable asset, they get shit done quick, rich life is fast, poorfag life is slow, don't be slow

time travel now, buy a 5090

>>105829378
Nice find, seems like a decent monitor.
It's probably the same panel (TCL/CSoT HVA, originally developed by Samsung).
https://chimolog.co/ktc-m27t6/

>>105829693
Ambient air can get everywhere but the top. But the micro case will have more clearance on the top.

>>105829633
>there's a billion people with micro atx cases that don't have airflow "issues"
that's subjective. and a well-built atx will always beat a micro atx of similar built quality when under heavy load for long stretches of time

>>105829715
>and a well-built atx will always beat a micro atx of similar built quality when under heavy load for long stretches of time
for people overclocking every bit of voltage they can get*, which is an extremely small amount of people

>>105829715
>oh no matx is 27dba vs 25dba
I swear people would have a legitimate aneurysm if you used a PC 20 years ago.

>>105829660
ohhh, i had a totally different picture in my head because you said "little pocket"
i assumed it was an enclosed space, like a little cupboard

that literally won't affect your airflow at all

>>105829699
5090 is 4x more and not even 2x fps just 1.7x

>>105829391
>3.5" bay
>vertical I/O on the front panel
A true desktop, I kneel
Better hope that you can use modern motherboards though because they stupidly decide to angle the connectors 90 degrees on them
Couldn't use my Cooler Master Force 500 because of that

>>105829752
and yes, you're right in thinking the micro would be better >>105829704
especially considering it intakes air directly from the front instead of vertical vents

my psu comes with a bunch of SATA power cables and a single "SATA 3.3" cable. I purchased a WD Red Plus 12TB, which power cable should I be using? I don't really understand the difference, something about power disable on the 3.3? I can't find the info I want online or in the manuals for either product.

The PSU doesn't even call out the "Sata 3.3" cable by a separate name https://seasonic.com/prime-px/#cables The physical cable has a tag on it with that info.

Will I be less assraped by Nvidia if I wait for Super releases?

>>105829864
you'll be assraped by nvidia no matter what so you might as well wait and try to forget about the coming assrape

>>105829414
dont think this old laptop can run win 11 and I heard it fucking sucks, so Il hold the line on win 10 alongside steam
reason Im upgrading is to be able to install better and more up to date privacy stuff and browsers and basically im stuck with only being able to do a full clean install, which I guess its a good time to starts fresh and keep organized now

>>105829823
it's on 1600w list
sata 3.3v is not for consumer drives basically, don't bother

>>105829864
You'll pay a premium for that extra VRAM capacity and AIBs are going to continue to pad their margins.

>>105829702
I wanted an OLED but these new VAs cost 2x less than the shittiest OLED. It's a nice option.

>>105829864
Unless you are trying to use it for AI generation 16 GB is enough for modern games. Sometimes looks like its butting up against the limit but it will still work. But sure, if you need more than 16 you don't really have a choice, because otherwise you would have already gotten a 5090.

>>105829702
Cute review site, may use it to look up monitors later that RTINGs thinks its too good for.

>want to see reviews for a monitor
>amazon just shoves all reviews for all of a manufacturer's monitors together into a giant useless blob
wtf is their problem

>>105829864
>Plans to buy a GPU with adequate amount of ram
You should lube your anus

>install nvidia inspector
>force idle power state to P8
>power draw drops to 30w even with 4 monitors connected where it previously would draw 80w and the fans wouldn't stop
it was that easy huh

>>105825898 (OP)
How do I prevent myself from feeling pity towards radeon-tards (they deserve nothing)
How do you play games in the year 2025 without amazing ai driven features like ray reconstruction, multi-frame gen, and dlaa?
>105829699
>5090 is 2x as fast as a 9070xt
No it's not, especially at the resolution people actually care about (1080p360+/1440p120+)
>>105829864
>5070ti super is like $1600 until the next gen launches in you're path
>5070 super is like $900 until the next gen launches, also in youre path
Not like more than 12gb at 1080p and 16gb at 1440p (being very generous to vram-obsessed tards) is worth anything for games

it just blows my mind that tuxedo computers told me they cant provide a PC without wifi/bluetooth, but they can provide laptops without wifi/bluetooth

wtf

logic?

anyway, I am contemplating building my own, but a bit worried I will fuck it up

>>105830201
>messing around with gpu power states
damn I haven't did this since Rx 480. I can't believe Nvidia is this behind that they have to do this on Windows & Linux.

I need a super duper fast typing and keyboard shortcutting keyboard that is not mushy at all but is also relatively silent and flat, preferably with media controls
My K330 is too stiff, my Titatnium T102 too mushy, my G213 has too much friction and is too noisy
Anything out there?

>>105828137
>is looking to save power as much as possible
>buys inefficient shit from 6 nodes ago
???
when it comes to power efficiency, newer is almost always better.
a 9060xt power limited to the same tdp of that shitty 6500xt will perform like at least 4x better, you can get the same performance as the 6500xt with a 50 watt power limit or something like that

>>105830201
it's a shame there's nothing like this for ayymd cards, amd doesn't even have power states anymore and you pretty much can't tweak anything now.
>>105830278
are you implying amd cards don't have high power consumption when using mulitple monitors or doing anything beyond idle out of the box? because they do, and often even worse than ngreedia.

>>105830339
>buys inefficient shit from 6 nodes ago
12100f is pretty recent
>6500xt
Definitey not, 4060 mogs it at the same power
Dunno about the 9060 xt

>>105830339
And then there's the question of why he is using a DDR4 board when DDR5 is much more efficient

>>105830278
>>105830351
It seems that with 40 and 50 series, nvidia gave up trying to optimize power states for the millions of different monitor configurations out there, so if you have 3 or more monitors, the memory clock just stays maxed which causes the power draw to remain above the idle threshold. dsc also just further complicates things because monitors using dsc technically count as two monitors. i blame the indians working there.

>>105830361
>10nm is a pretty recent node
are shintel-fags really this deluded
>Dunno about the 9060 xt
9060xt is faster than a 4060 and has the same tbp.
again, newer node = more efficient.

>plug in new disk
>power on
>*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK*
>*silence*
uh oh. disk manager detects it, right capacity and all, but I can't initialize it

>>105830387
...this reply doesn't address anything that I said in >>105830351
I clearly know what you are talking about because I just said the same exact thing? like why are you explaining it

>>105830351
nvidia cards would straight up kill your battery on laptops because they force p3 powerstate instead of p8 while scrolling 4chan. amd doesnt have this issue especially now since they're handheld/mobile focused.

>>105830387
yeah they seem oriented to datacenters where they don't care about power draw.

>>105830417
you didn't say anything remotely similar to what i said

>>105830427
me: yeah amd cards have high vram clocks at idle with multiple monitors too, wish there was something like this for amd
you: nvidia cards have high vram clocks at idle
...how did i not say anything remotely similar? can you even fucking read

>>105830446
i must be talking to an indian

>>105828850
i'm too cheapass for that

>>105830421
I don't know why they don't just yoink the idea behind this multi display power saver thing from nvidia inspector. I know that not all silicon is the same, but that's why there is a slider to guarantee that you can fix any glitches you encounter if you make the power state too low.

>>105830459
check out KTC M27T6

I'm using a 6700 XT. Should I upgrade to 7800 XT or 5060 Ti?

>>105830421
>nvidia cards would straight up kill your battery on laptops because they force p3 powerstate instead of p8 while scrolling 4chan. amd doesnt have this issue especially now since they're handheld/mobile focused.
I mean, I didn't know it was this much worse on nvidia, but amd also has this problem to some extent
my rx 580 was able to play 4k 10 bit h265 completely fanless with vram/core clocks idling at 300 mhz
while the rx 7600 will not play a 1080p60 h264 twitch stream without running the vram at 909 mhz and constantly turning the fans on/off even on a single 1080p monitor, no idea why they had to enshittify this.
also the 580 was often able to play 20 year old games at full screen at lowerst power state too, while the 7600 seems to be pretty much hardcoded to run the vram at the highest possible clock as long as you are playing a game in fullscreen, even terraria, makes no fucking sense and again, it's really annoying that they had to fuck this up while it worked perfectly fine on an 8 year old gpu

>>105830391
nta but Intel's 10nm is only one major generation "old". It's equivalent to TSMC N7, also 1 gen removed, in terms of both general power characteristics and transistor size. As you well know the numbers themselves stopped corresponding to actual dimensions a long time ago.

>>105830490
and btw before some nigger goes "you just gotta set your monitors timings to reduced blanking"
1. it's the same monitor that played fine with the 580
2. I did that already and it doesn't help.

>>105826404
here is the pc I had in mind
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-PRO-XL-AMD-Gen2.tuxedo#specs

but I dont want wifi/bluetooth

>>105830490
something something gddr6 and above is too hot and unstable something something

>>105830473
Is neither an option? The 5060Ti doesn't improve on the raster much and drops the VRAM. The 7800XT, while offering a decent raster bump, loses out on the RT/ML features which might actually justify an upgrade. Gun to my head I'd take the 7800XT but ideally you'd save for a 9070/5070 at minimum.

>>105830490
>while the 7600 seems to be pretty much hardcoded to run the vram at the highest possible clock as long as you are playing a game in fullscreen, even terraria, makes no fucking sense
It's an RDNA3 thing. Fixed in RDNA4.

>>105830553
I'm not sure gddr6 is the reason for this tho
if gddr5 can do the job just fine at 300 mhz, why would gddr6 require 909 mhz to do the same thing when it's supposed to have a lot more bandwidth at equal frequency?
and why would increasing frequency improve stability? it should just be a question of "is there enough bandwidth or no?"

>>105830607
??? what
the pic you posted literally shows that nothing changed
plus you have to consider that the rx 7600 review was using the launch drivers which has much higher idle power use compared to the later drivers, if anything it looks like it's even worse on rdna 4

>>105830624
something something dsc frame buffer more memory speed to keep up with the number of pixels something something

>>105830607
>video playback now requires 20% less clock than full speed
>"fixed"

>>105830654
Look at the RX 7600's memory clock being pegged at the maximum stock frequency in video playback, and no variable frequency in multi-monitor setup.
>You have to consider that the rx 7600 review was using the launch drivers
The cards on the chart were all retested in 2025, RX 7600 is still inferior to 9060 XT's power consumption.

the real (and racist) answer is that there are too many pajeets writing the code for your video card drivers and now it is impacting all aspects of the gpu experience.

>>105830661
>dsc
so i looked up what this is, and it appears to only be a thing when running very high resolution/refresh rate monitors on slow-ish displayport/hdmi cables?
I'm pretty sure running a 1080p75 hz panel from 10 years ago with an hdmi 2.0 cable doesn't require that type of compression so... ?

>>105830709
Stop typing like a discord tranny.

>>105829864
anon your entire hobby relies on jensen's side project, show a little more gratitude

>>105830689
>Look at the RX 7600's memory clock being pegged at the maximum stock frequency in video playback, and no variable frequency in multi-monitor setup.
as opposed to the 9060xt having vram ALMOST pegged? there's no fucking difference there, it will still require the fans to constantly spin up and spin down every 30 seconds.
>The cards on the chart were all retested in 2025, RX 7600 is still inferior to 9060 XT's power consumption.
barely, it's only significantly better when it comes to multi monitor it seems.
plus, I don't even give a shit about the power consumption, i'm more annoyed by the fans turning off and on constantly
the rx 580 on the same video playback test consumes 19 watts, exactly the same as the 9060xt, but the vram clock stays at 300 mhz and it can still work fanlessly under this scenario, do you not see the problem?

>>105830665
9060 XT 16GB's video playback power consumption matches a 4080 Super and only 3W more than a 5060Ti 16GB.
It draws less than 75% of the power that a 7600XT 16GB needs.
2nd most power-efficient 16GB VRAM card is a good place to be.

Hardware unboxed lied. When do they get the userbenchmark treatment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1q1nwoj8k

>you can overclock each state to prevent any graphical bugs
HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER MADE

>>105830747
>plus, I don't even give a shit about the power consumption, i'm more annoyed by the fans turning off and on constantly
Jeeze, I wonder when the video card's fans start to kick in.

>the rx 580 on the same video playback test consumes 19 watts, exactly the same as the 9060xt, but the vram clock stays at 300 mhz and it can still work fanlessly under this scenario, do you not see the problem?
You can't shut off a VRAM IC, they will always draw a set amount of power.
A card with 16GB of VRAM will draw more power than an 8GB if all else is equal.

>>105830797
>asking for the vram clock to stay at 300 mhz instead of ramping up to max speed means you want the entire vram ic to be completely shut off
??? what the fuck?

>>105830781
I should've bought ngreedia, fuck amd for locking out morepowertool.

>>105830781
>>105830869
You can do this on AMD too but you don't care since you don't own one

>>105830869
>>105830781
You guys are impressed by curve optimizer which AMD had for ages for CPU and GPU?

>nobody is talking about amd
>UMM AHKSHUALLY AMD DOES THIS
literally who cares retard is there a 5090 equivalent on the amd side? didn't think so

>>105830880
>You can do this on AMD too
no you can't on rdna3/4
>but you don't care since you don't own one
show me how it's done, faggot, I'd be very thankful for it (you can't).

>>105830883
>curve optimizer for gpu
...where?

>>105830850
Show a photo of your PC case, your video card fans shouldn't be ramping up just because you're playing some video content.

>>105830894
Lmao, this guy bought a Gigashitstain RX 7600 and is blaming the VRAM for its cooling deficiencies.

>>105830904
>Show a photo of your PC case
what
why

>>105830924
Because almost any video card with a decent cooler (excluding ultra-compact SFF cards) can passively cool 50W worth of heat load.

>>105830921
>the vram going to 909 mhz while playing video is caused by the cooler being bad (literally the 7600 with the most overkill cooler that exists)
oh yeah thanks for helping me figure that one out.

>>105830473
save for a refresh or the next gen, there's upgrade material here, but if you're looking at either of those gpus, you might aswell save until the 9070xt/5070ti becomes a second-gen card and buy those.

>>105830940
>literally the 7600 with the most overkill cooler that exists
Clearly not overkill enough if the fans are kicking in at sub 40W power draw loads, kek.
Your Gigabyte card has a shit stock fan curve if it's turning off and on during video playback loads.

There's only a 5W power draw difference between the 5060Ti & 9060 XT 16GB variants while playing videos.
That extra 5W shouldn't be causing the video card's fans to turn on and off.
You just have a shit card.

>>105829785
3,25x more if we wanna be exact
>1,7
lets go with your number, still 4 years you can live in the future under your ideal situation

>>105830204
>No it's not, especially at the resolution people actually care about (1080p360+/1440p120+)
stop, genuinely stop

>>105830938
>almost any video card with a decent cooler (excluding ultra-compact SFF cards) can passively cool 50W worth of heat load.
1. that's very hard to believe, if your case has like 10 fans at 2000 rpm maybe
2. 50 watts of heat load and vram hotspot are two very different things you know
the problem here is that the fans are set to start at 70c vram hotspot (80c on the reference card, only way to change this is to risk flashing the bios because amd locked out morepowertool), when the room temperature is 30 degrees the vram hotspot sits at 64c idle (which seems to be perfectly normal and in line with most rx 7000/9000 gpus)
if video playback brings the vram clock to 909 mhz, that's obviously enough to increase the vram hotspot by just 6 degrees
my case only has average airflow (nzxt h500i) but that's not where the problem is (after all, the rx 580 didn't have this problem)
the problem is amd fucking up the power table and not allowing any tweaking, stop this fucking cope already "it's your card, it's your case" can you guys just admit amd messed up here goddamn it's tiring.
and the thing is, we are only discussing about h264 1080p60 playback here, let alone 4k60 av1/h265 or anything like that

>>105830549
>but I dont want wifi/bluetooth
then just turn it off retard. And why wouldn't you? unless you're some l33t hacker tryhard its not a big deal, its basic functionality.

>>105830473
seconding this >>105830965

>>105830997
>Your Gigabyte card has a shit stock fan curve
this is half the problem, and it's a problem that only exists because amd decided to make it impossible to edit the fan start temperature.
>Clearly not overkill enough if the fans are kicking in at sub 40W power draw loads
you clearly have no idea what an hotspot is, you don't fix a temperature hotspot in your vram by getting a better cooler or a case with more airflow, retard.
a 40 watt heatload evenly distributed across the whole card isn't the same thing as 15 watts on the vram, 15 by the pcb and 10 by the gpu die.

>>105831031
>50 watts of heat load and vram hotspot are two very different things you know
Except a video card's fan curve is based on the GPU temperature, not the VRAM hot spot.
Sub 30W worth of heat load shouldn't heat the GPU hot enough to require active cooling.

Get HWInfo, play a video content, and show us the thermal sensor readings of your overbuilt Gigabyte video card.

>>105830880
>>105830883
I'm still waiting for this magic software that lets you freely tweak rdna3/4 to be unveiled btw.

>>105830728
>mfw i have never paid for an Njudean gpu in my life
>been pc gaming for 20 years+ now

can I run rtx 3080, ryzen 7600x with 650w psu?
i calculated watts and they are not even close but internet says 850 minimum?

>>105831072
>Except a video card's fan curve is based on the GPU temperature, not the VRAM hot spot.
oh so you REALLY don't have any idea of what you are talking about, thanks for confirming.
>Get HWInfo, play a video content, and show us the thermal sensor readings of your overbuilt Gigabyte video card.
completely pointless because I've already described what is happening multiple times
you just have no fucking idea of how rdna3/4 works.

>>105831104
Blame AMD for their fuckwad fan curve because that's not how NVIDIA's works.
What's the point of all that heatsink if your card can't keep the VRAM under 70°C during video playback?
Pic is the vBIOS of a reference RX 7600, 80°C fan start for the VRAM chips.

>>105831082
Sorry dude. Maybe you won't be poor in the next life.

>>105831100
The internet is stupid
do 75% @ prime95+furmark

i've manually manually set my fan speed for vidya for the last 10 years and i think i might be the only person on earth doing that

>>105831126
>that's not how NVIDIA's works.
so in nvidia's case if your gpu die is running at idle and cool while the vram is at maximum clocks the card just cooks the vram or goes into thermal shutdown before the fans start? i'm not sure if that's any better
>What's the point of all that heatsink if your card can't keep the VRAM under 70°C during video playback?
vram HOTSPOT, not vram temperature two very different things (hotspot is always 20c higher than the regular temperature, even checking a single second after waking the pc from a prolonged period of sleep)
the point of that heatsink isn't to passively keep the vram hotspot cool while it's at a high power state, how many times do I gotta repeat this concept for you to understand it
>Pic is the vBIOS of a reference RX 7600, 80°C fan start for the VRAM chips.
I already mentioned that the reference vbios has the start point set to 80c and that I cannot fix this unless I risk bricking the card by bios flashing multiple times, once again, thanks for the very useful information...

>>105831197
>so in nvidia's case if your gpu die is running at idle and cool while the vram is at maximum clocks the card just cooks the vram or goes into thermal shutdown before the fans start? i'm not sure if that's any better
There's 0 real-scenario where the video card's VRAM is running at maximum frequency & utilization to risk thermal throttling while the GPU's running under fan-stop temps.

>vram HOTSPOT, not vram temperature two very different things
That's not what the vBIOS says, the 108°C memory thermal limit shows it's referring to the IC's case temperature, not the Tjunction.
108°C is the case temp when the chip's thermal protection (performance throttling) kicks in.

>>105830274
their pc mobo must have wifi built into them (they're not gunna get you a whole different motherboard)
their laptops must use a regular wifi m.2 card (it'll just be removed from the assembly list)

>>105831251
>There's 0 real-scenario where the video card's VRAM is running at maximum frequency & utilization to risk thermal throttling while the GPU's running under fan-stop temps.
...multi monitor without nvidia inspector? it's literally what started this whole discussion
and yeah that might not bring the vram to thermal shutdown, but i'm not sure keeping it at 90 degrees 24/7 is optimal either.
>That's not what the vBIOS says, the 108°C memory thermal limit shows it's referring to the IC's case temperature, not the Tjunction.
you are once again just showing that you have no clue on how amd gpus work
memory junction is literally the only memory temperature sensor that these cards provide, and it's usually referred to as just "memory temperature", common knowledge since rx 5000.

>>105831309
>...multi monitor without nvidia inspector? it's literally what started this whole discussion
A VRAM running at maximum frequency doesn't mean it's at 100% utilization (GPU Memory Usage), know the difference.
This is why I asked you to load up HWInfo and play video content, you need more education.

You can make all the excuses for your crappy video card cooler as you want, that amount of metal should be enough to passively cool the VRAMs under sub 30W loads.

>>105831337
retard

>>105831341
Retard faggot who thinks memory frequency @ 100% means GPU memory usage is also @ 100%.
Nice Gigashite cooler btw.

>>105831337
always wondered what my nigabyte looked like underneath

>>105831345
Not even that guy, but you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>105831351
I know exactly what I'm talking about.
GPU Memory Clock running at maximum frequency doesn't mean the GPU Memory Usage is at 100% utilization.
The retard thinks a sub 30W video playback load is enough to cause catastrophic failure to GDDR6 ICs.

>>105831337
>A VRAM running at maximum frequency doesn't mean it's at 100% utilization (GPU Memory Usage), know the difference.
i'm pretty sure the vram clock is literally programmed to scale as the load on it increases so... actually yeah?
>This is why I asked you to load up HWInfo and play video content
thanks for clarifying this only now after 10 posts of pointless garbage
well guess what, there's no memory usage % sensor on amd cards so I can't? thankfully I'm not retarded and didn't spend time pointlessly showing you hwinfo data.
>that amount of metal should be enough to passively cool the VRAMs under sub 30W loads.
how many times do I have to repeat the concept of what an hotspot is to you?
>higher amount of metal should mean the heat transfer from the silicon core of the vram chip should be better
...that sounds so fucking stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEcgl8BZw0
It's so funny to me that derbauer is actually incredibly intelligent and has a massively successful business but still does porn on the side

>>105831399
That 30W load is spread across a GPU die + 4 memory ICs.
It's pathetic that cooler can't passively dissipate 5~7W of heat from each of those memory chips.

>well guess what, there's no memory usage % sensor on amd cards so I can't?
People can extract VRAM allocation & utilization stats out of Radeon cards, that's enough to get a memory usage % reading in HWInfo.
You're just a bitch ass faggot to do so.

>>105831041
>And why wouldn't you?

It can be exploited and I don't intend using it

Soon I will ascend beyond basic bitch pc building and enter the halls of water cooling. Wish me luck.

I got a temp sensor and a hub, but no idea how to hook em up.

>>105831442
>It's pathetic that cooler can't passively dissipate 5~7W of heat from each of those memory chips.
holy shit you're a broken record
H O T S P O T
>People can extract VRAM allocation & utilization stats out of Radeon cards, that's enough to get a memory usage % reading in HWInfo.
i'm so fucking confused at this point, I thought you were talking about amount of vram bandwidth usage or something like that but no, you actually really mean... vram utilization but expressed in % instead of bytes?
what? why? this has nothing to do with this discussion

>>105831465
water cooling is as basic bitch as it gets

>>105831469
>H O T S P O T
Still applies faggot, do you know thermodynamics? Heat transfers from hot to cold objects.
Waste of cold metal if it can't passively cool a 30W heat load from the GPU + memory chips.

>what? why? this has nothing to do with this discussion
Because you've been insinuating a VRAM chip running at maximum frequency means it's also being fully utilized

>>105831512
>Still applies faggot, do you know thermodynamics?
yes, and I know the concept of a "bottleneck"
we are measuring the hottest part of the very core of the vram chip, the temperature sensor is literally embedded INSIDE the silicon, not above or at its edge
the heat first has to move to the exterior of the chip, then to the thermal pad, and only after all of that it reaches the actual metal cooler
so how the fuck does the amount of metal you got affect the hotspot temperature? no idea.
>Because you've been insinuating a VRAM chip running at maximum frequency means it's also being fully utilized
I've lost count of the times you come up with all sorts of crazy retarded shit that I never said, that obviously makes no fucking sense
but let's say that I did infact say suck nonsense... why are you even entertaining that idea?
and besides, you literally said that this is the reason you originally asked for hwinfo64 screenshot, that was at like the start of the discussion
so at that point you admitted that this was your idea all along
you really need some meds.

>>105831560
>we are measuring the hottest part of the very core of the vram chip
It's your cooler.
Pick a video sample for me to run on my system, my GDDR6X's VRAM hotspots hasn't passed 50°C playing 4K h264 60FPS content.
GDDR6X runs hotter than 6.
https://kodi.wiki/view/Samples

>>105831626
you are running a card from a differen vendor, with vram from a different gddr gen, that measures hotspot temperature in a whole different way (vram hotspot on all rdna3/4 cards STARTS at like 56c, it's impossible to get it any lower than that)
shut the fuck up, I won't waste my time replying to you anymore.
why would I even give a shit how your gpu works? wow your gpu doesn't have this problem, congrats, do you want a medal?

>>105831654
Lmao, pick any of the sample videos from that link and show how hot your memory chips are running.
Keep HWInfo open as well.

>>105831674
>Lmao, pick any of the sample videos from that link and show how hot your memory chips are running.
you'd know the answer already based on all the discussion we had up until now if you had a working brain
moron

>>105831685
I want proof because it's comical that a Gaming OC RX 7600 can't keep the vram HOTSPOT temps under 70°C during video playback.

>>105831696
>it's comical that a gaming oc rx 7600 behaves the same as every other rdna3/4 card
k

>>105831438
some people just like it, like hookers, they want to get fucked for money

>>105831709
You're the only retard crying about RDNA3/4 card fans spinning on and off during video playback (after all the RDNA3-related driver patches) in this entire thread.
So prove it. Pick any of the video samples from that link.

If you have a beefy cooler and good memory pads you don't have to worry about fans spinning on or off during video playback or even 100w gameplay. The fans are just off since your case flow is enough.

>>105831777
>or even 100w gameplay
you are literally just trolling now

>>105831820
He's someone else, another sensible person btw.
You're still lurking here yet you haven't shared any proof to your claims, probably because you're a seething bitch.

>>105831777
Card makers don't want this to be true so they put ugly plastic all over the cards to block airflow from the case fans

>>105831720
>in this entire thread.
wow i'm the only person complaining about a minor thing very few care about IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD, woah that's damming evidence that i'm lying
you are clearly mentally deranged and I shouldn't have done this but here you go, happy now? probably not
yeah I haven't even finished the slow ass libvpx-vp9 transcode and you already bleessed us with >>105831864
what a tranny

>>105831891
lmao this guy's GDDR6 temps starts @ 70°C, how is this supposed to prove anything?

>>105831913
did you want me to start recording from a cold start and attach a 10 minute webm or something?
you really don't have a brain do you

>>105831922
So you're admitting it took about ten minutes for you to heat up the VRAM hotspots?
That's not what you said in >>105830490
>while the rx 7600 will not play a 1080p60 h264 twitch stream without running the vram at 909 mhz and constantly turning the fans on/off even on a single 1080p monitor, no idea why they had to enshittify this.

>>105831934
>That's not what you said in
...where did I specify that it happens right away... or not? of course it needs some time before it reaches 70c, i thought it was obvious?
and besides, how does that change things?
so you are telling me your gpu does the same and that "my vram is only 50c" only applies after 1 second of playback? great

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1lttql9/msi_mpg_274urdfw_e16m_some_thoughts_and/
WHY ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WITH THIS MONITOR FUCKING BRITBONGS/AUSFAGS WITH MACS? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? CAN I GET SOME REAL REVIEWS?

>>105831976
It's your Gigabyte card's problem.
I wasn't even specifically searching for Gigabyte RX 7000-related noise issues but it seems to be a common thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/comments/1fl7g19/the_fans_of_my_gigabyte_rx_7600_go_full_speed_as/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/1hunmof/radeon_rx_7600_xt_gaming_oc_16g_too_loud/
https://community.amd.com/t5/pc-graphics/7600-xt-rpm-goes-crazy/m-p/724166
https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/comments/1ednr4c/rx_7600_xt_sound_issues/
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gigabyte-rx-7800-xt-loud-fans.329754/

I searched for "rx 7600 video playback fan noise" and those links were part of the top results.

>>105832001
not a single one of those links is about my issue
retard
>I searched for "rx 7600 video playback fan noise" and those links were part of the top results.
thanks chatgpt

>>105830883
>>105830880
>bump limit is reached
>still no mention of what this magical software is

>>105828573
> How difficult is it to actually put a pc together?
Unless you are "talented" you will fail.

>>105832013
The point is Gigabyte Radeon cards are well known to have substandard cooler when adjusted for noise.
It makes sense since they're just recycling RTX heatsink designs to fit with Radeon PCBs, ASUS doing a better job at it.

>>105829864
next to none
drivers could be stable by then (big if)
new cards will most likely not have hardware issues

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>>105832011
>>105832011
>>105832011

>>105832013
so as an experiment after all of this useless garbage I ran a live linux distro and tried to see if lact allowed to force the lowest power state like nvidia inspector can
the answer is: yup, works perfectly fine there, i can play all the videos I want (and even old 3d games in fullscreen!) while vram temp stays cool (running at 192 mhz), you can even tweak the video/compute/fullscreen3d/power saving profiles to your liking too
...why the fuck does something like this not exist for windows?

>>105832874
Try changing Windows power settings to energy saving mode.
It changes the power down behavior of CPUs, might affect gpus too.
Worth a try.

>>105832898
of course I tried that already
doesn't do shit.
but yeah i'm now suspecting that there's something wrong with my windows install in general
like this gpu is supposed to idle at 3 watts, but it does 8-10w for me under windows
...but it does do 3 watts as expected on linux
it's like there's just something slightly using the gpu more than it should all of the time but I can't find a cause to this

>>105831465
do water cooler fans never speed up? i always saw water cooling as kind of a meme, dont know how much quieter it actually makes the system when playing a game

>>105833911
it makes the system noisier as you also have noise coming from the pump
and you'd still want the fans to rev up as the liquid temperature increases yes
>i always saw water cooling as kind of a meme
it is.

>>105833949
hard to find a neutral video talking about which is better with some tests to back it up