Thread 105826247

>AMD shill channels already ramping up the FUD against the 5050

Why are they like this? Why doesn't AMD like competition? Why don't they just make better GPUs if they want their sales to go up?

4060 was barely worth of that. 5050 is even shittier

>>105826247 (OP)
Don't care, I need Ai, not gayms.

>>105826331
>you dont understand mom, I NEED to generate 1000s of images of cartoon child porn

>>105826247 (OP)
>Why are they like this? Why doesn't AMD like competition?
Exactly tell us how the 5050 is "competitive"
Like in what way?

>>105826337
I'm not your average de/g/en, fool.
Need it for LLM TTS STT and more.

>>105826247 (OP)
lol
ur seething, trany
close the tab, have a walk
maybe a cheeky wank

>>105826247 (OP)
Do you remember back when Nvidia rebranded gtx 9600-9800 series cards as 250 gtx?

>>105826247 (OP)
The 5050 is an abomination and steve was far nicer to it than he should've been by any objective measure.

>>105826421
hi steve

>>105826247 (OP)
>8GB
>Runs hot
>Can't run off PCIe slot alone
>Takes more power yet slower than 4060
>$250+ for a 50 series

>>105826978
It is because it is clocked far beyond efficiency point for TSMC's 4nm node and has power hungry, fast GDDR6 chips to boot (complete waste).
This would be spec as a xx3x-tier but Nvidia has been upbranding their silicon.
Not even Geforce 4 MX were this bad.

>>105826978
>>8GB
8gb is more than good enough for the games you will be playing with a 50 series
>>Runs hot
non issue, open a window
>>Can't run off PCIe slot alone
non issue, all modern PSUs have a cable for gpu power
>>Takes more power yet slower than 4060
comparing a 50 series to a 60 series card
>>$250+ for a 50 series
prices up thanks to trumpflation

>>105826247 (OP)
>Shadow 2x
It's close, but the absolute peak of e-waste would be picrel.

>>105826247 (OP)
You don't need FUD, this is a shit card.

>>105827104
>8gb is more than good enough

No.

>>105826247 (OP)
why don't gamers appreciate an overclocked GTX 1080 for $250 9 years later?
they're used to more

>>105826247 (OP)
how's AMD's fault that nvidia made such a shitty $250 GPU?

>>105826247 (OP)
>5090 is $3k just deal with reality chud
>5050 is $250 this is a travesty
Why is the overwhelming "discourse" so different depending on which GPU you are talking about?
It's all a ripoff but I'd figure more would be sympathetic towards an entry level card.

There is value in something new and that isn't either 5+ years old or $400+

>>105827288
The 5090 at least performs well, but the 5050 performs shit and you can buy used graphics cards that outperform it by a substantial margin for the same price. The lower end you go with your graphics hardware, the more price sensitive the customer becomes.

>>105827326
Used shit has always been better value
I guess my contention is that everyone talks about used as if they should be the only option and low end new cards have no right to exist anymore.

It's funny to me as just a few years ago, it was avoid used GPUs like the plague but suddenly all the "risks" associated with it are all magically gone. As if all crypto GPUs vanished and thermal pads/paste doesn't degrade anymore.

>>105827407
It's because the new cards suck so much ass people will do anything to avoid them. Avoiding used cards was a luxury for when new cards were worth considering which hasn't been the case for years now.

>>105827288
5090 is retard overpriced and an absolute scam, but you technically won't find a better card without paying, like, triple that. If even. Also it's supposedly really good for high end VR, so it's perfect for those with too much money and nothing to spend it on.
5050 is just overpriced garbage with about as much reason to exist as the 5060ti/8. The 5060 is still terrible value but fills that "new low end card that's kinda usable" spot. If 5050 was a mobo-powered model there'd be at least some point to it.
>>105827407
>I guess my contention is that everyone talks about used as if they should be the only option
They shouldn't but unfortunately are -- thanks to absolute shit generational uplift and retarded pricing. No one's happy about it.

>>105827442
>>105827438
>Avoiding used cards was a luxury
>They shouldn't but unfortunately are
So someone's first GPU should be a risk?
Because that's the only reason anyone should buy a xx50 card is as a first GPU
I bought a 550 ti many years ago. It was basically magic when you didn't have a PC with any real GPU at all.

I wouldn't never buy a xx50 card today as a personal GPU but I still am interested at what goes on in the low-end.
I think people get lost when they talk about used GPUs as they are better value when there are people without a GPU at all or are on a craptop. I figure being damn near guaranteed a working card and not dealing with potential BS that comes from buying used would be more valuable than strict performance at the entry level.

I guess the litmus test is does a xx50 card give a better experience than a current gen console because for someone who isn't already into PC, that's the useful comparison.

>>105827407
Yeah, buying new mid and low end graphics cards used to be an option. Like for example the 750 Ti back in the day had decent performance and only ran on the PCI slot, so even if you could possibly get a cheaper used card that outperformed it - there was still a selling point.
That is no longer true today. New graphics cards have shit performance, shit price and they don't even offer any actual advantages such as more VRAM or better power efficiency over ancient used crap. So you might as well just buy the better performing used crap, all you're getting is more performance for the same price.

If you can't afford a high end card and don't want an used card in 2025, just use the shitty integrated graphics. At least you're not getting fucked that way.

>>105826247 (OP)
>Why doesn't AMD like competition
I was hoping for a 32GB 9070XTX, but AMD dropped the Pro R9700 instead,
Guess they’ve locked that much VRAM behind CDNA pricing.
They're literally pushing people to the 5090...So much for "midrange" competition

>>105827119
>super compact
>two slots
>8 power pins
something very wrong with this timeline.

>>105827560
Not necessarily about me but others who may not have a GPU at all see >>105827536

Would you rather people be on IGPUs then spend $250 on a new card?

>>105827640
If you don't game - use IGP.
If you're too poor to afford a decent GPU - buy used or use IGP until you can afford something decent.
Alternative to above is buying something all in one like the Steam Deck to play your games.

Simple as. There is no scenario where you should be wasting money on some shit tier brand new GPU that you'll need to upgrade anyway the second badly optimized trash games that don't run well on it get released (they were already released). The argument that "I can just not play those games" is asinine because you could make the same argument for using an IGP or buying some cheap handheld computer like the Steam Deck.

anyone running a ryzen cpu and nvidia gpu notice how sad these brandfags are?

>>105827815
Almost seems like gatekeeping to advocate staying on an IGP until you are either willing to buy someone's bag or spend console money on *just* a GPU

I understand trying to save someone from a bad experience but an iGPU is a pretty bad experience, used can also be a bad experience.

What is the real goal here to stomp on anything new and low end?

>>105826247 (OP)
>the FUD
>slower than Arc B580, but more expensive and with less VRAM

Why does Nvidia hate competition? Can't they just make better GPUs than Intel if they want their sales to go up?

>>105827894
I'm not forcing anyone to make any decisions. If you want to buy overpriced trashware, be my guest. Paying 0 dollars for a bad experience is superiour in my humble opinion to paying 250 dollars for a bad experience, but you do you.

>>105827840
Yep, I keep telling them studio drivers don't have any of the stability issues they whine about so their insistence on ignoring that exposes their intentions

>>105827934
>you do you.
Top-down psychological culture tool that hinges on the assumption the target gives any weight to social media culture at all

>>105827945
Stop saying weird schizo shit on a technology board, this isn't the place for that.

>>105827964
>gaslighting
lel

>>105827964
>this isn't the place for that.
Take your own advice and fuck off then, you astro-turfing faggot

Imagine responding to an nVidia troon.

>>105828009
Stop using terms you don't even understand.
The only way gaslighting could work in this scenario is if I was attempting to make the dude regret his purchase by making him think he's crazy for thinking he has a great experience with his RTX 5050.
The guy who doesn't even have an RTX 5050, only mentioning having a prehistoric GTX 650 or whatever it's called from an era where you could buy a top tier graphics card for 500 USD.

You're way too terminally online on twitter.

>>105828029
>Buy amd instead!
Faggot
>But I'm not telling you to buy-
>>Don't buy my competition!

>>105826331
The p40 has the same speed of a m4 pro mac mini 24gb which is $1500 (~16gb usable due to sharing with OS), or a AMD AI max 385 32gb $1000 from framework (more like 16gb usable due to a the software running out of vram even though you have 32gb and allocated 24gb for the GPU because the software wastes ram for some reason). And the p40 is from 2016 and can't run with certain model formats due to how old it is.
So technically it's all just 8-10tk/s with a 24gb model when you have 1 p40 or the miniPC (50% faster on the miniPC since they would use 16gb models in reality...), if you got 2 p40's or you upgraded the miniPC to reach 48gb, it's like 4tk/s.
At this point, if you just want ONE gpu, you might as well just get a 5070 TI for like $750, it's 16gb and it's similar to a 3090 in token speed, so it runs at like 30tk/s at 24gb (can't fit that but in theory) + you can offload to the CPU to run a 24gb model at like 15tk/s~.
Or just wait for the 5070 TI super which should have 24gb of vram (for like $1000 MSRP, $1500 inflated in the worst cast scenario depending on AMD's price and supply).
>the p40 is $200, if the 5070 TI super is "~$1000", the p40 is better
the 5070 TI runs at 3x the speed of a p40, arguably worse in cost per token by like ~30%?, but non-obsolete hardware comes at a premium (Also I don't know if p40's are still $200).

>>105828038
>More gaslighting
pffft haha

Yeeeeah, this is e-waste.
Thing is. I was actually in the market for an 8GB GPU. Steve's got this massive campaign against them existing but what I needed was a small, efficient GPU with 8GB of VRAM, not 3 or 6 but 8.
It didn't have to be 75W, but 75W would be a plus, 120W, 125W, sure. Literally gimme a die shrink GPU with a x16 slot and you've got a winner.

It's x8. Great, already nerfed on older systems, where it could and would be used. Isn't massively setting itself apart from what is considered actual e-waste. As in, the performance isn't there compared to cards that are out of production, 6GB GPUs tip towards a better price performance ratio.
Price per performance per watt, is then the only thing it has going for it. Riiight. Small problem there, the 4060, what is e waste now, is also better than it and that's x8 gimp tier too. All the cards surrounding it that are on that performance per watt curve and in the gimpy x8 tier are better buys, offer better compatibility.

Once you're up to the idea of using > 75W, you're already on the "my OEM PSU might last, so I'll adapt to PCIe power) and fuck, you may as well just buy a better 2nd hand card. If you end up in the "replace the PSU and buy an aliexpress adapter" lane. The 5050 eats into the cost of a nicer PSU.

Nvidia lost sight of the game. All they needed to do was offer a x16, <125W card that wasn't pushed to its limits, with decent hardware on board but they're getting bodied to themselves from 2 years ago. At the point that they're using pcie5x8 over pcie4x16: all you're doing is harming the bottom end where the card is marketed.
Worse. Even if someone wants one of these and says, ah, I'll use it for a bit of quick AV1 decode, bit of linux, I'm going to do FF XI at 4k and I'll have a better experience than on windows. No. Noooooo. Noooooo you're not, because they're still struggling there too even with AMD recently trying to amputate their legs via shotgun with RDNA4.

>>105828061
What, you're just gonna resort to empty shitposting now?

>>105828086
what, you gonna consult with your marketing department and their team of psychologists now?

>>105826247 (OP)
I'm just chilling with my 9070xt.

Any card below it in performance might as well not exist

>>105828094
Bruh. What is with this projection? I'm not the one trying to convince people that the 5050 is somehow an acceptable product.

>>105828127
>>105828043

>>105828127
pay 20% less get 20% less FPS.
if you think the 5050 is terrible, I would like to remind you that the 3050 6gb is $180.
maybe if they stop producing 3050's, people won't be able to buy cheap GPU's that can't run games anymore, such a shame... bring me back to when you could buy a 1060 3gb for $200...

>>105826247 (OP)
>pay $300 for a 130W GPU that gives you dogshit framerate at 1080 fucking P
>in 2025
I bought a 6870 for $380 in 2010 and that let me play at higher framerates at 1080p than this shitbox. We have regressed so bad.

>>105828189
Never said anything about AMD products. I don't think they are any better.
>>105828195
I don't remember ever saying the 3050 6GB was a good product either. Are you trying to argue that "We have been getting fucked for a pretty long time, so we should accept getting fucked because we are used to it"?

I bought my GTX 980 for like 550 USD and that card is very high quality and still runs modern games to this day (even if that's poorly). The RTX 3050 is like 30% faster, which is frankly disgusting considering we are talking about a graphics that is over 10 years old. Good luck getting even 5 years out of a 5050.

>>105828077
People keep trying to pin some other use for 5050s but ultimately its for people building new systems, not for putting in existing systems, not for putting in a sff dell shitbox, but just something that's new and will work.

>>105828277
>Good luck getting even 5 years out of a 5050.
It's not really meant to last 5 years as a hardcore AAA card.
Like literally every single x50 card before, its meant to be entry level, if you like AAA PC gayming, you'll get a different card relatively quickly, but on the off chance you don't, you atleast didn't spend that much and even a 5050 will probably serve extremely well for a long time in things like PC indies for MMOs

If you are already into PCs then its not for you ultimately. You can ignore it.

>>105828410
weak b8 m8

>>105828410
250 for a card that can't do aaa games is beyond retarded. An entry level card needs to be dirt cheap. This is a card for no one.

>>105828507
My R9 280X cost me $250 and allowed me to play AAA games just fine even in 2015, the 5050 is beyond retarded.

>>105828507
>>105828525
You fuckers expect 4k 240hz out of an entry level card or something?

>>105828617
You expect me to praise garbage as long as you shield it behind the word "entry level" when it's not even at the price of what entry level was before? Raise the price and expectations go up with it. Don't like like it? Tough.

>>105828705
$250 is pretty entry level when the top end is $2000+ and mid range starts at $600+
If you want to rant about GPU prices in general that's fine, but $250 is right in line with "entry level" in the current GPU reality.

>>105828507
You can run AAA slop with a 5050. But a 3050 6gb is not able to play a good chunk of AAA games used in benchmarks above 60fps in 1080p dlss lowest settings without stutter because 6gb cards have not been mainstream since the 2060 (30-60 fps is still playable however, it's not like we are buying the game, we pirated it, we are probably gonna give up playing the slop AAA game after 2 hours).
However a 3050 6gb is actually 2x stronger compared to state-of-the-art IGPU's such as the AMD AI 370 which isn't much stronger compared to a 8600g or the steamdeck (AMD AI max 8050s is an exception that costs the same as a building a PC with a 5060).

>>105828767
>$250 is pretty entry level when the top end is $2000+ and mid range starts at $600+
And who made it that way, retard? The constant demand, or the scalping and artificial choking of silicon production?! Die choking on rod of Radium.

>>105828617
Naive 4K 60 at $600 was affordable over a decade ago. Entry level cards should support at least something in the 1440p realm.

>>105826247 (OP)
>AMD shill channels
Fuck off nvidia shill, in no fucking way is Hardware Unboxed an nvidia shill channel. They also call AMD out on their bullshit.

>>105827288
The 1050ti was like $140

>>105829350
This is unreal engine and lazy ass developers fault. You can play in 4k on a 750ti. It's just game dependent. Consoles get like 30fps in 4k with a bunch of settings at shit levels.

>>105827119
If it was a PCIe slot powered 75w card and was 50 bucks cheaper, I'd buy one.
Imagine slurping 150+ watts with this pos kek

>>105829520
There is no redemption for this card. The 5070 is the same card as a 4070 super though. The 5070ti is like 7% better than a 4070ti super. It's possible the super refresh this winter will redeem these pitiful cards with the 3gb vram modules. 5070 super with 18gb will be worth buying. But the 5060 and 5050 are completely lost causes.

An xx50 tier would be $99 in the pre inflation era.

>>105826247 (OP)
If it has less than 16gb vran then it truly is e-waste.

>>105829586
Shut up chud we had to print $7,000,000,000,000 because the cold was so deadly

>>105829586
>>105829608
This, you have Deficit Don and his operation warp speed to thank for current GPU prices

>>105829517
>Consoles get like 30fps in 4k with a bunch of settings at shit levels.
More like 30 FPS at 720p

>>105829657
600p effects scaled up to 720p upscaled to 1080p

>>105829586
>muh inflation
YouTube commentators use this excuse since Turing in 2018.

>>105829497
the 1050 TI is BTFO'd by a $200 APU (8600g) / steamdeck / $500 portable gaming handhelds, by 2x the FPS.
The 3050 6gb which is a real joke at $180 Has 2-3x the FPS of a 1050 TI (it would have been "fair" in bang per buck if it was $150, since it had half the FPS of a $300 GPU).
And the 5050 has 4x the FPS of the 1050 TI.
>it was good at the time
It's a 720p card, it couldn't even run 1080p. It makes the 3gb 1060 for $200 look good since it had double the pixel fill rate and double the bandwidth, and that was a GPU that couldn't last 5 years before games started dropping support for 3gb cards.

>>105829863
I played lots of games in 4k on my 1050ti. I played breath of the wild that way on ryujinx too

pay $250 for 1070 performance 10 years later
lol

>>105830426
closer to 1080 ti but still not a good look since 1080 ti's were 300$ by 2019/2020

>>105830380
Mine was 4gb not 2gb though. I replaced a 760gtx 2gb with the 1050ti and now I have a 12gb 3060 and I use that in 4k as well. I'll maybe splurge on a 5070 ti super if it is 24gb but I also have a sheepskin jacket I want, pic related that is $730. It completely depends on gta 6.

>>105827923
ai means cuda and nvidia has cuda
does intel has cuda?

>>105826247 (OP)
Radeon shills are mentally ill. 5050 is not a gaming card, it's a card for someone who wants access to the entire modern nvidia feature set and doesn't give a shit the games run badly on it.

>>105831118
I think what's really funny is that here you are claiming the 5050 is not a gaming card and just a moment ago I closed a tab where an nvidia shill was claiming it was not a basic "display adapter" and was a viable gaming card.
So it's ewaste then.

>>105830445
it has 3gb less vram lel, it's unironically better in some cases

>>105830943
>buying an 8GB RTX5050 for ai

Just because Nvidia has what Nintendon't doesn't mean it's of any practical use

>>105826247 (OP)
They have brain damage
They benchmark 5060TI 8GB on full textures and it crashes
When it comes to 9060XT they "find" a low texture mode and use that and get results for it
It's all dishonesty with AMDUnboxed

even other tech aussies are getting sick of their nonsense after claiming 10% gains since launch and it turns out it's 1% gains since launch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1q1nwoj8k

>>105831118
there are certainly cheaper options to connect 4x4k120hz monitors

I'm waiting for the 18gb 5070 super

>>105826247 (OP)
should i sell my 3060ti? how much would you pay for it? i see a few selling on ebay for $250us and wondered if anyone would actually pay that instead of buying a 5050.

>>105826348
>i need to make something that will talk to me without questioning my beliefs
Ainons really are faggots
>>105826590
you truly idolise steve of gamers nexus dont you. has he got a girlfriend yet?

>>105827125

it absolutely is, thats why everyone on steam uses a 3060ti 8gb

>>105832956
Steam doesn't filter for 3rd worlders. They need to add this. Nobody in a first world country is still using 1080p outside of laptops.

>>105832944
Nvidia/intel benchmarks says that the 3060ti is still better than a 5050.

Nvidiots are the reason gpus are priced the way they are now.
Not the miner boogeyman of yesteryear, just nvidiot trash.

>>105833007
Isn't there somebody you forgot to mention?

>>105832966
>people in the third world dont count
america is emulating third world conditions and has a lot of poor people. so many complaining about the price of a gpu. im on bennies snd managed to snag a 5070ti. i also smoke lots of weed like a third worlder lol
>>105832974
so i should sell it for $250

>>105832966
also, some yank anon posted a screenshot of his 5090 running 1080p 95fps. forget which game but it was hilarious.

>>105833035
I'm just saying that the steam survey needs to stop including people in brazil, india, bulgaria

>>105833076
why?

>>105833094
It's noise in the data that should be thrown away or at least categorized as third world data.

>>105833031
Americans and scalpers? Ones are nvidiots and the others exist due to nvidiots.
Nvidia wouldnt be this greedy without nvidiots.

>>105829350
bullshit, unless you count everything on low you weren't doing 4k with a 980/ti
>>105826247 (OP)
Hardware unboxed is a shill channel, they're nearly on the same level as userbenchmark

>>105833129
Based retard

>>105833109
>this list of users gpu should be amended because brown people
im racist too but i dont quite get the logic.

>>105833137
>userbenchmark
they literally upload your results and nothing else. how is that a shill website?

>>105833155
It should be filtered so the data is actually relevent. Otherwise you're like a 5'10 guy in norway saying youre tall because you're taller than people in china and india

>>105833164
The guy who runs it has a throbbing hateboner for amd for some reason

>>105833148
go back to pol magatard

9 years have passed and we have gtx 1080 performance retailing for 250$+, ewaste of a card

>>105834239
Wow you're even dumber than I gave you credit for

Enough for smol LLM project but still to pricy I guess?

>>105827601
Also note that vram =/= high end, If AMD released a 32gb 9070xtx,
it wouldn't be competing with the 5090 still..But the decided to push a 32gb R9700, which is a shitty move.

>>105835067
Are you talking about AMD or Nfagia?

>>105833137
>bullshit, unless you count everything on low you weren't doing 4k with a 980/ti
Never be this much of a newfag.The 980ti 10 years ago was enough for 4k30 gaming
like in battlefield 4, bioshock infinite, crisis 3, GTA4, Metro last light, ETC
>But 30fps
Yes, back in the day it was 30fps vs 60fps before it became console vs PC, young faggot.

>>105833164
>they literally upload your results and nothing else. how is that a shill website?
It reflect the community, which is ran on by shills