Install OpenBSD

>>105830859 (OP)
Why?

>>105830859 (OP)
>install openbsd
>wireless doesn't work
>go do something else
yeah nah

>>105830859 (OP)
>even worse hardware support than troonix
>even worse software support than troonix
>even more pathetic, spergy user-base than troonix
No, thanks.

Give me a GOOD reason

>>105830937
https://man.openbsd.org/?query=wireless&apropos=1
works on my machine

>>105830859 (OP)
>cuckbsd
no thanks

prefer an OS where shit actually works out of the box instead of taking 2 weeks to troubleshoot to get working.

Why do dumb faggots bother replying or giving advice about systems they've never used?
>>105830937
Werks for me. Only sane UNIX OS that still lets you configure wireless devices through ifconfig instead of requiring the abomination that is Network manager/wpa_supplicant. It's the only OS where wireless just works through a sane interface.

>>105832826
Then OpenBSD is for you considering it is the only OS where things just work after install. You don't have to spend hours upon hours fucking around for every corner case like with major Linux distros.

>>105832194
Only UNIX where the developers actually use it as their own daily use desktop. Most secure ports of Firefox/Chrome browser engines due to pledge/unveil. Just about everything in ports uses pledge/unveil too. Best man pages. Most sanely designed UNIX. Not afraid to remove legacy cruft/code. Best track record for security. Refuses to play stupid games with hardware vendors by sitting on bugs for months due to non disclosure agreements. Refuses to allow flavor of the month stuff like Rust into base system without damn good reasons. Best version of X11 which works out of the box since it's part of the base system. Xenocara is more secure than any other version of Xorg running anywhere and does it without running massive security exploits like logind as root. Best sound server of any UNIX.

I could go on.

>>105833576
You can't get iwd?

>>105833576
sndio is equivalent running a pure alsa setup

>>105833590
Ah yes the Linux way. Make overly complicated crappy daemon then replace it every 10 years with another overly complicated crappy daemon. Meanwhile, in a sane OS I just configure my wifi card through the driver via ifconfig and one text file.

>>105833606
No its not. snido is actually documented and can do things that are not possible in other sound servers. Like giving applications direct access to each speaker and not consuming 200MB of RAM at idle doing nothing like pipewire does.

I ended up on OpenBSD for good reason. I ditched Gentoo after decades due to the direction it took along with the rest of the Linux world. I prefer an OS that actually works.

>>105833746
>ifconfig and one text file.
How does that work with wpa2?

>>105833746
>not consuming 200MB of RAM at idle doing nothing like pipewire does.
pure alsa.

>>105833576
do you really daily drive that? is bsd compatible with all loonix programs like claws-mail, qbit flatpak? how do you install stuff, is there a package manager? and lastly what wm/de bsds come with by default?

>>105833576
fact check this >>105833954

>>105833576
>pledge/unveil.
Just read up on this and seems really cool. I really want to find something that has native sandboxing capabilities, how does it compare to jails in FreeBSD?

How similar is it to Linux? How long do you think it would take for a seasoned linux user to become comfortable with it?

Also would I leave linux in the first place? What are the benefits?

I have zero interest in privacy, I gave up that a long time ago.

>>105833576
>Only sane UNIX OS that still lets you configure wireless devices through ifconfig
Works on Linux.
https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
>The interfaces configuration file at /etc/network/interfaces (this page): for basic or simple configurations (e.g. workstation)

>instead of requiring the abomination that is Network manager/wpa_supplicant
ifconfig uses wpa_supplicant for wifi connections, so it's funny that you think wpa_supplicant is evil while not realizing you're using it.
iwd on the other hand is far less bloated than wpa_supplicant + dhcpcd (which makes TWO crappy daemons!). You have already shown similar stupidity elsewhere multiple times that you have nothing other than the shallowest knowledge on this topic.

>Xenocara is more secure than any other version of Xorg running anywhere and does it without running massive security exploits like logind as root.
Xorg can run as regular user with some kernel configuration on Linux.
If you don't like configuration, Xorg + seatd just works on Devuan, functional desktop with elogind uninstalled.

>Best sound server of any UNIX.
NOW the sound server daemon isn't evil? So convenient double standard. FreeBSD and (Open)Solaris sound systems are more UNIX philosophy than that.

>>105834130
>How similar is it to Linux? How long do you think it would take for a seasoned linux user to become comfortable with it?
The only thing that is significantly different is how drives are managed and partitioned. You partition drives using disklabel -e, which essentially opens a plain text file in your $EDITOR.
# /dev/sd0c:
type: SCSI
disk: SCSI disk
label: WD_BLACK SN770 1
flags:
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 63
tracks/cylinder: 255
sectors/cylinder: 16065
cylinders: 121601
total sectors: 1953525168
boundstart: 0
boundend: 1953525168

16 partitions:
# size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg]
c: 1953525168 0 unused
i: 1953525168 0 MSDOS

# Notes:
# Up to 16 partitions are valid, named from 'a' to 'p'. Partition 'a' is
# your root filesystem, 'b' is your swap, and 'c' should cover your whole
# disk. Any other partition is free for any use. 'size' and 'offset' are
# in 512-byte blocks. fstype should be '4.2BSD', 'swap', or 'none' or some
# other values. fsize/bsize/cpg should typically be '2048 16384 16' for a
# 4.2BSD filesystem (or '512 4096 16' except on alpha, sun4, ...)

Labels like /dev/sda or /dev/sdb are linuxisms. All drives are labeled from /dev/sd0 onward, and if you want to access the entire disk, such as copying an image, you would do dd if=./image.iso of=/dev/sd0c bs=4M

I gave it a try but it doesn't work. Also it has no support for containers, which I need for work.

>>105833961
>do you really daily drive that?
Nta, but it works well as a desktop.
>is bsd compatible with all loonix programs like claws-mail, qbit flatpak?
Rule of thumb: If it's free software/open-source and runs on Linux, it also runs on OpenBSD. You won't find run any proprietary Windows software on it though.
>how do you install stuff, is there a package manager?
There is a package manager (pkg_add) and there is a ports tree where you can compile the packages from source.
>and lastly what wm/de bsds come with by default?
FVWM and CWM (technically also TWM)

>>105830859 (OP)
cuck license

>>105833906
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Wireless

>>105833916
>pure alsa
No, not "pure alsa". ALSA is an abomination with no documentation that requires dirty hacks to support mixing and configuring it is like doing voodoo. snido is a real sound server ported to many flavors of *nix with real documentation that's easy to program for. Hence why it's so widely supported both through OpenBSD port patches and by many applications by default.

https://sndio.org/

>>105833961
>do you really daily drive that?
No. I daily drive a 1974 Chevy C10 with three on the tree and aftermarket over drive. But OpenBSD is my desktop for all my laptops and some of my desktops yes.

>>105834086
>how does it compare to jails in FreeBSD?
OpenBSD considers the "stuff it into a container for security" to be a dead end. Pledge/Unveil require the developer to think about what they're doing and to drop/restrict access by default. There are several talks on this issue that you can find on places like youtube.

>>105834181
>ifconfig uses wpa_supplicant for wifi connections
You are so wrong and ignorant that I'm not going to bother to reply to the rest of your post. Pic related.

>>105830859 (OP)
I currently have FreeBSD on my server, why should I switch to OpenBSD?

You're retarded in a way, half truths and half smug spewing bullshit.

>>105835078
what about jack

>>105833606
>sndio
sneedio

>>105830859 (OP)
which era do i have to set my time machine to get hardware openbsd supports?

>>105835374
2025

>>105835439
it doesn't seem to support r8169 ethernet

I don't want to get hacked though :x

>>105835464
https://man.openbsd.org/man4/re.4

>>105835464
https://man.openbsd.org/man4/re.4
>RTL8169

>>105835606
does that support the 2.5gb ethernet on asus boards? tuf gaming b850m-plus wifi. i saw it had the driver but says it only does 10/100/1000

i can't find a live cd/usb on their site to download and try.

>>105830859 (OP)
I'm good

>>105835953
>does that support the 2.5gb ethernet on asus boards?
my gigabyte B850 with a 2.5 RTL8125 is working but wifi most likely won't.
$ dmesg | grep rge0
rge0 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek RTL8125" rev 0x05: msix, address **:**:**:**:**:**

>i can't find a live cd/usb on their site to download and try.
literally just download the installation iso, press S for (S)hell and ping a random website

>>105835078
I think I've spoken with you before in another thread. I love a lot of the architectural choices OpenBSD makes but I frankly do not give a shit about all things it fucks with in the name of security, swaying me more towards NetBSD. Are you aware of how the feature-set of the two compare with one-another and if NetBSD gets ports of advancements made in the other *BSDs?

>>105836093
i'll give that a go

>>105836238
>frankly do not give a shit about all things it fucks with in the name of security
Like what? Enabling SMT is a one line change to a config file in /etc. Pledge/Unveil do not get in the way 99% of the time and if they do it's a typically a one-line change in a config file to grant it access to whatever you think it needs. pf is the best firewall I've ever used. There isn't anything in OpenBSD's "secure by default" config that gets in my way. Even SMT is not missed because most applications don't take advantage of it anyway and real multi-core processors these days work fine. With SMT disabled I still have access to 8 really fast cores/threads at the same time. With pledge/unveil is a port like Firefox tries to do something it shouldn't it crashes. Which I prefer instead of letting some rouge script have its way with my ~ directory.

>NetBSD
The various *BSDs have a lot of back and forth porting going on but I struggle to find any reason to use NetBSD these days unless it's the only option due to the other two main BSDs not being ported to whatever obscure hardware platform. But that's really rare. IME you're better off using FreeBSD and spending a lot of time unfucking its default config/base system filled with tons of cruft instead of using NetBSD. But I suppose NetBSD is fine too if you're willing to do the same thing. I only suggest FreeBSD instead because it gets more attention. Where NetBSD has a lot of code laying around that hasn't been touched in ages (true of FreeBSD as well in a lot of places). FreeBSD ships many things broken by default or unsecure by default just because "that's how things were done circa-1999 release". For example, by default I think it still comes with 3 firewalls none of which are configured well. It also ships with things in its base system ported from OpenBSD configured badly as well despite people complaining for years about it. Oh and no Xorg in base system so enjoy setting that up manually.

>>105836972
(cont.)

This is why I ended up on OpenBSD: If you look at what applications/tools were developed on one OS and ended up becoming standard or highly regarded on other UNIXs you'll see it's OpenBSD tools over and over again. Why not just use the OS they were designed for? Sure there are ports to other systems. But they always have compromises due to the nature of the other kernels not supporting certain things the tools need. Look no further than doas or pf on FreeBSD/Linux to see what I mean. Or the many many others that have become standards over the years because the OpenBSD developers seem to be the only ones worried about writing good code these days. They don't put up with bullshit and politics. All that matters is the code to them.

It's also the most friendly environment I've found for people wishing to learn UNIX/C/programming. Provided you've shown you're willing to read man pages and ask the right questions. But even newbies are welcomed on the mailing lists and IRC channel as long as you're showing effort and not being a retard on purpose or obviously trolling. The 'community' gets a bad rap because the exact kind of people that want to do nothing but write stuff like CoCs and shitpost about console war topics on /g/ all day are not welcomed and told to fuck off. Note they usually aren't banned. They're just told to fuck off and then ignored. Just as you'd expect from a community filled with old school hackers that know better than to feed the fag under the bridge attempting to ruin everyone's day.

Sure there is no bluetooth support. It doesn't exist because no one seems to want it. Nothing is stopping someone from doing it and submitting the code to make it work again. Same goes for wine/linux emulation and the rest. Provided the code is up to snuff. Same goes for whatever drivers you need for hardware that currently lacks support. There are plenty of developers willing to tackle/port that stuff if you donate (hardware or cash).

>>105830859 (OP)
is Vivaldi available yet?

>>105835078
>ALSA is an abomination with no documentation that requires dirty hacks to support mixing and configuring it is like doing voodoo. sndio is a real sound server ported to many flavors of *nix with real documentation that's easy to program for.
Stop projecting your incompetence over everyone else. If you can't program with basic doxygen API reference you're an incompetent retard.
If you actually used the APIs you know that sndio had fundamental API design flaws that took over 10 years to be fixed.

>You are so wrong and ignorant that I'm not going to bother to reply to the rest of your post.
You know I'm right and have nothing to refute. You have just shown you have zero knowledge on Linux despite claiming to use them for a long time. Nothing can explain this other than pure retardation and inability to learn.

>Pic related.
This proves nothing because it shows nothing useful. You should have shown more command outputs to prove you're not a sly, lying bastard.

>>105834869
thx i yhink im sold i should check it out.

How does BSD benefit me as a content creator on YouTube?

>>105837751
Bragging about installing this thing that no one uses for attention and views (while daily driving windows). That’s the only reason.

>>105835350
Feedio and Seedio

>>105837003
okay you've finally convinced me, thank you for the in-depth response :]
I'd love to go as far as to daily drive it but with no support for new nvidia cards and no graphical virtualization that does affect how I use my machine a lot

>>105838201
> I'd love to go as far as to daily drive it but with no support for new nvidia cards and no graphical virtualization that does affect how I use my machine a lot
Because no one does any real work on it. It’s the peak tinkertranny system that turns thinkpads to web browser kiosks and is capable of nothing more.

>>105835267
answer this mouthbreathing retard

>>105837480
>retard claims ifconfig requires wpa_supplicant to drive wifi card
>show wpa_supplicant isn't installed on the system while wifi is working
>somehow this isn't good enough proof
It's almost like you're the one that has no fucking idea what you're talking about isn't it?

>You know I'm right and have nothing to refute.
I knew nothing you wrote was worth reading since you have no idea ifconfig in *BSD land is different than ifconfig in mainstream linux distros

>If you actually used the APIs you know that sndio had fundamental API design flaws that took over 10 years to be fixed.
So it was fixed then? What do you use? Pipewire? Pulseaudio? Do you think 200MB of RAM used at idle with more than 0% CPU at idle is acceptable? What about being a black box emulating a bunch of unneeded bullshit because Linux hasn't been able to unfuck itself since they went full retard and stopped using OSS in favor of UNDOCUMENTED ALSA. Which I've noticed you keep refusing to engage with that point.

>If you can't program with basic doxygen API reference you're an incompetent retard.
Seriously doubt you're programming anything considering you don't even know how ifconfig works.

>Nothing can explain this other than pure retardation and inability to learn.
Hard to learn anything when there is no documentation unlike in sane OS land where shitty man pages is considered as much of a bug as bad code. But sure. Running *nix-like OSs including Linux kernel since 1994 disqualifies me from having an opinion I guess. I'm just big dumb idiot that doesn't own more than one computer and hasn't been ensuring my shit works across POSIX supporting OSs for years.

>>105838702
What about it? It's still running on top of ALSA. Which is shit. But if you're doing pro-audio on Linux sure. Run it. Much better than the alternatives. Still isn't as good as what you get by default in OpenBSD though.

>>105838793
>It's still running on top of ALSA. Which is shit.
https://openports.pl/path/audio/jack
dumb fucking retard

>>105838201
>I'd love to go as far as to daily drive it but with no support for new nvidia cards and no graphical virtualization that does affect how I use my machine a lot

Then use FreeBSD and enjoy losing support for your card after 5 years like everyone else that depends on Nvidia. It isn't our fault they won't share specs and code and release a black box. You really shouldn't buy that kind of hardware. OpenBSD werks for me because I'm very careful about what kind of hardware I buy. On my Nvidia system I have for testing and some video work I used to run Gentoo. A Gentoo install I spent many hours configuring to remove most of the bad shit that comes in both the OpenRC default profiles. I ran s6 init and spent a lot of time removing shit like logind. I didn't replace it with seatd either. I ran Xorg as suid because there is absolutely no reason not to do it on a workstation being used by one person (which is 99% of users that aren't in some office who don't control what's on their own computer anyway). It isn't 'insecure' despite the fear mongering.

Gentoo is a lost cause. I got tired of constantly hacking around the changes the current batch of people that took over the project keep cramming down everyone's throats. They even went so far as to ban all the grey beards off their forums and mailing lists for wrongthink. There are some decent overlays and stuff in GURU still but good luck getting any help if you want split /usr and static /dev. Even with all that you'll eventually lose decent support for your Nvidia card when nvidia decides to stop releasing blobs compiled against new kernels.

I ended up switching that system to FreeBSD for now. I edit/produce a lot of video/audio on it along with some programming. But most of my programming work is now on OpenBSD workstation+laptop. Since those systems have AMD GPUs and hardware with good driver support.

ifconfig handles wpa/2 psk/ent natively you fucking retard tinker troon.

>>105838846
Why are you linking to a site known to have outdated information. Yes JACK is ported. There is absolutely no reason to run it though unless you have something you can't compile against the default sound server. Maybe if you used the OS instead of frantically using google in an attempt to prove me wrong in your mind you'd know these things.

Guess what. Wayland is in ports too. Guess what else: No one uses it.

>>105838878
Yeah no shit. I said as much. But wpa_supplicant also exists in ports if you really want it. Since you know. We actually know how to write code instead of repeating dumb memes on /g/ all day and posting console wars threads.

Anything else you'd like to get off your chest? Did Mom forget to microwave your chicken strips for lunch today or something? Why are you so angry?

Further more: Why are you posting in a thread for an OS you don't use and don't plan on using? Which is just as well. We don't want you shitting up our mailing list anyway.

>>105838931
I'm just scrolling by, I don't even know what you guys were arguing about. Though I do know that openbsd is fun and based, and I daily it and contribute to it (very meagerly).

I do like that it makes linux zogs irrationally seethe.

>>105838931
>Why are you linking to a site known to have outdated information.
elaborate
>absolutely no reason to run it
what is low latency
>Maybe if you used the OS instead of frantically using google in an attempt to prove me wrong in your mind you'd know these things.
projection

>>105838990
>what is low latency
Something fully supported by sndiod and can be changed in real time through rcctl. Since you know, OpenBSD is a sane OS and not a hodgepodge of hacks on top of hacks on top of hacks.
>elaborate
Okay; It's a website known to had outdated and bad information.

out of all these BSDs, which one is the most feature-complete to give a try as shitposting box? i mean, has the most hardware coverage out of the box, is the most user-friendly with installation, has the best documentation, and is the most-actively maintained?
my only experience with bsd - we have a few citrix boxes at work running on freebsd, and that's as far as i have ever touched it

>>105839053
I mean, freebsd is the most "feature rich" by virtue of it trying to be linux. but if you're using freebsd you literally might as well just be on arch or something. IMO if you aren't using net or obsd then you are making a pointless decision.

>>105839053
>has the most hardware coverage out of the box
FreeBSD for modern hardware. NetBSD for older hardware. OpenBSD for modern hardware that isn't tied to closed source drivers.
>is the most user-friendly with installation
OpenBSD
>has the best documentation
OpenBSD
>is the most-actively maintained
The main three are all maintained about equally excluding older obscure platforms. NetBSD has support for a wider range of platforms but many of those ports haven't been tested/maintained sometimes in decades. OpenBSD maintains and actively tests builds and fixes bugs on older platforms (basic requirement in OpenBSD is being able to natively build/compile entire system on any supported platform). FreeBSD has a lot of old semi-not maintained code in its kernel but gets support from companies like Nvidia with closed source drivers and such.

If you want desktop: OpenBSD maintains their own fork/patch set for Xorg called Xenocara. It has several changes they've tried to push upstream for years that freedesktop keeps refusing that are related to security and other fixes (like tearing). FreeBSD requires you manually install Xorg from ports and you get basic Xorg only. NetBSD is basically the same as FreeBSD in that respect. All of them support wayland applications.

OpenBSD man pages are second to none. FreeBSD and NetBSD man pages are okay but outdated in a lot of places. FreeBSD has a support forum that you'll need to use a lot. OpenBSD expects you to read man pages first but has good IRC channel and mailing lists. NetBSD is similar to OpenBSD with the IRC/mailing lists.

All of the other BSDs have less users but some have unique features compared to the main three. Most are forks of FreeBSD with minimal additions and/or changes to the kernel.

FreeBSD kernel+base system comes with a lot of legacy stuff so as not to break old configurations. OpenBSD removes old stuff all of the time and isn't afraid to make breaking changes and expects you to keep up.

>>105839144
Concerning drivers for modern hardware: It's kind of a toss-up between OpenBSD and FreeBSD with this. For example, my GPU+Intel wifi has better drivers in OpenBSD than FreeBSD. Basically, if an active OpenBSD developer uses the same hardware you're using expect great support for it. Thinkpads are well supported for example.

In FreeBSD expect to use the Linux emulation layer to get hardware support for certain things like wifi cards if they're modern. It depends on if anyone has ported over the driver yet. Most of the time they lag behind Linux support and sometimes no one bothers because of the linux emulation layer in the FreeBSD kernel. OpenBSD removed the linux emulation layer from their kernel awhile back because it was considered a security exploit waiting to happen and no one stepped up to maintain it.

As an example: In FreeBSD for my wifi card I'd need to run the linux driver through emulation last I checked then I would have to use wpa_supplicant to control it. In OpenBSD there is a native driver and you simply control the card through said driver+ifconfig. So set-up is much easier. I did need to connect to the internet at install time with the NIC though and run fw_update to pull down the firmware for the wifi card since it couldn't be included with the installation CD due to legal reasons. But this was painless and I would have had to do the same thing in any Linux distro/other BSD anyway. Since such things are always a pain in the ass no matter what OS you're using.

I installed several Linux distros and FreeBSD on the same laptop. All were more painful and took longer than OpenBSD's installation. After running the basic OpenBSD installer I had a fully working system post-boot with working wifi and GPU drivers+full disk encryption. It took 5 minutes.

I did need to do some basic configuration to get the WM I wanted and the usual stuff of course. But since man pages are great I didn't have to refer to web to do it.

>>105839144
>>105839222
Also one more thing. If you're coming from Linux you should know things are different in the *BSDs as far as how the OS is built and put together.

The BSDs have a "base system" concept. What this means is everything in /sbin and /usr/bin comes with the OS and is developed with the kernel. It isn't like Linux distros where a bunch of random projects are thrown together to make a distro. If you install something from ports (packages/third party software) it goes to /usr/local. This means there is a clear separation between software that comes with the 'base system' and third party software you've installed.

What this means is it's harder to break the system. In OpenBSD you'll be told to "stick to what's in base" a lot. What they mean is everything in the 'base system' has been audited and is expected to both work without breakage and be relatively secure (well as secure as possible). In other words, it's much harder to break your system because you replaced something in /usr/bin with some package. Since whatever you installed couldn't overwrite what was there by default and shipped with the OS.

There are also a lot of minor difference between what is called coreutils in GNU/Linux vs. the POSIX compliant utilities offered by the various BSDs. As an example, sed differs a lot between GNU sed and OpenBSD sed. The BSD's utilities tend to be more 'correct' and follow POSIX standards more closely. What this means is some of your scripts that may rely on GNUisms might not work with the BSD tools. But usually, it's very easy to fix them and make them truly portable by referring to the man pages. If you _really_ need those GNUisms the GNU coreutils are offered as packages in ports. Generally, prefixed by "g". For example, GNU's sed is the "gsed" port/package on OpenBSD.

It's better to make the script truly portable but if you really need a script that only runs on GNU you can simply direct it to use the GNU version of the tool.

>>105835267
Is this a reference to the best blowjob video on the internet?

>>105839461
absolutely

>>105838793
> >show wpa_supplicant isn't installed on the system
Liar. That’s not what your command does.

> I knew nothing you wrote was worth reading since you have no idea ifconfig in *BSD land is different than ifconfig in mainstream linux distros
Same goes to you.

> So it was fixed then?
It shows that sndio is fundamentally flawed when this wasn’t considered in the design. Shows that designers are kinda of “suckless” persons who don’t do real audio works on it.

> What do you use?
ALSA, which is too big for your retard brain to use. I don’t use any sound server daemons, unlike you.

> Seriously doubt you're programming anything considering you don't even know how ifconfig works.
I’ve written audio software that use ALSA. You on the other hand don’t know shit about programming other than shell script configuration shit.

>Hard to learn anything when there is no documentation unlike in sane OS land where shitty man pages is considered as much of a bug as bad code.
Their priority is to improve the libraries so that they are useful to real word software that get real work done. Caring about documentation when the basic shit doesn’t work due to flawed design is pure nocoder behavior.

>>105839144
>>105839222
>>105839443
Oh and one last thing. I'm not going to speak much about the NetBSD guys because I haven't interacted much with them beyond helping some friends in Japan port over some drivers. But between FreeBSD and OpenBSD this is what I've noticed:
>-OpenBSD
They're mostly concerned about doing their own thing and "code correctness" and the old UNIX way of "do one thing and do it well". The OpenBSD developers aren't afraid to go their own way. They develop a lot of original software like mg and got (https://gameoftrees.org/index.html) because they see real problems in existing projects (got is intended to be a better git for example). They're sometimes a bit opinionated but usually for good reasons ime. They're friendly as long as you don't act retarded and mean. They don't really care about what everyone else is doing. They just want to be left alone to make their comfy OS and software. They're always willing to help out though if you 1) show some effort yourself and 2) send hardware if you can't port stuff over yourself.

>-FreeBSD
This community is also generally nice. But the higher ups suffer from a lot of the same problems as modern Linux. It has a CoC for example and a guy was banned for giving someone a virtual hug on the IRC channel a few years ago. They like to use discord as a support channel. They prefer a xenforo forum to the mailing list. It has a "foundation" paying some lady that openly admits she's never used the OS thousands of dollars a year. They chase trends and most of the work revolves around porting over whatever is in fashion in Linux-land this year. They're more concerned about appealing to large corps. and the average user is usually not a programmer. But support seems decent when I've needed it and the users are generally nice. They also don't seem to ban people that rant about stuff like wayland/systemd/pottering cancer from their forums. At least not that often.

>>105838877
> Gentoo is a lost cause. I got tired of constantly hacking around the changes the current batch of people that took over the project keep cramming down everyone's throats. They even went so far as to ban all the grey beards off their forums and mailing lists for wrongthink.
They are now on the likes of Artix and Devuan, not BSDs. Devuan forums is full of anti systemd information to gut elogind and other pottering ware and its supporting Xlibre. You conveniently ignore this fact because you have victim complex.

>>105839547
Anon. This is a lot of words just to say
>I'm big dumb LARPing retard
So I'm going to stop feeding you replies for your own good. I do not believe you. I don't believe you want to have a discussion. I think your mind has rotted from consuming too many shitposts on /g/ and I'm sorry to tell you this but no one is impressed you got ALSA to work because you read the Archwiki or Gentoo wiki or whatever else you had to reference because the man pages do not exist.

I wish you the best and hope that someday you'll learn what the which command does. Since it's very basic. If you didn't believe me it was easy enough to learn wpa_supplicant isn't part of the OpenBSD base system.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to figure out how to configure and write software to work with sndio but this sounds like a major (you) problem considering how widely supported and easy to use it is. I hope you continue to enjoy using the worse framework for audio hardware ever devised which only exists due to some drama with OSS that happened years before you were born. I am sure your parents will be very proud that you wasted so much time doing rain dances in their basement to get the mixer working and patching several applications to interface with it badly. Despite your rampant rage posts I think I'll continue using sndio to drive the 3 soundcards connected to my main a/v production workstation while also routing audio over the LAN to my home servers and stereos.

I do hope that one of these days you'll a more productive use of your time than lying on the internet. Please have a good day.

>>105830937
>ifconfig [device] nwid [ssid] wpakey [password]
imagine getting filtered by this

>>105839693
>>105839693
>You conveniently ignore this fact because you have victim complex.
I ignore this "fact" because I've spent the last 10 years hacking around all that bullshit and I'm tired of doing it. If I wanted to keep doing that I would continue using custom USE flags in Gentoo instead of being downstream to two of the worse offenders in the Linux ecosystem. There is no point in so much wasted effort when I can simply use a proper OS that is not being lead around by the nose by IBM and DARPA.

If you want to waste your time hacking around cancer instead of writing fun software that's your business. Enjoy your "freedom" to patch every piece of software on your system while the kernel gets a little worse each year and more and more cancer invades userspace everyday. If you want to impress me try starting a real distro instead of patching someone's sloppy seconds. You can start by forking the kernel. Furthermore, try doing something interesting like building it around s6 and Arcan.

I for one will continue working in sane OS land where I don't have to care about the drama and a fat kike's useless manifesto or which batch of developers got banned from the mailing lists today because daddy DARPA said so. If you can't see it's a lost cause I can't help you.

Only 9,000 more forks and distros until we're free and the GPL magically fixes everything! Yay Loonix!.

>>105832826
the former is openbsd while the latter is linux
hardest thing i've ever had to do was disable amdgpu and fw_update manually because i installed without internet. openbsd has zero depth, it's about as complex as windows 95 and that's a great thing
openbsd is the closest foss alternative to windows 7 for people with actual taste

>sane OS land

>>105839443
Or you could just use windows or macOS and get reall work done instead of arguing about inconsequential bullshit that has no effect on literally anyone, and I’m not even trolling. Making philosophical arguments about code is the dumbest shit ever.

>>105838432
>Because no one does any real work on it. It’s the peak tinkertranny system that turns thinkpads to web browser kiosks and is capable of nothing more.

Crazy how they never replied to this.

>>105834181
>with some kernel configuration
As everything else in troonix. It's not my job to correct the fucking OS from its retard defaults, if you're doing that, might as well just stay on Windows.
OpenBSD is the polar opposite of Arch in the sense that every tinkertranny decision has already been made for you, by someone with actual taste and sufficient IQ.

>>105839700
You have never shown a single line of code or any proof that you can do anything beyond fiddling configuration.
Where are your “projects” that you constantly blogging about? That’s right, they literally don’t exist. The only thing that you have proven written is that crappy YouTube tui hacked together with shell scripts and sed.
A LARPing retard like you can’t do anything better, I guess.

>Arch

need moetube

>>105839819
>Crazy how they never replied to this.
Because placing OpenBSD and tinkertranny in the same sentence exposes you as a newfag who uses words he doesn't know the meaning of.

>>105839771
But wasn’t Gentoo corrupted by IBM and DARPA in your own words? It sinks deeper by itself than Devuan and Artix.
Only retards make decision based on things like this.
> If you want to impress me try starting a real distro instead of patching someone's sloppy seconds. You can start by forking the kernel. Furthermore, try doing something interesting like building it around s6 and Arcan.
LARP. You have never demonstrated this despite blogging it everywhere you can.

>>105839896
Is your OpenBSD machine just a browser kiosk or not?

Name everything you do with it and what percent of usage each task takes up

>>105839896
> Because placing OpenBSD and tinkertranny in the same sentence exposes you as a newfag who uses words he doesn't know the meaning of.
> OpenBSD is the polar opposite of Arch in the sense that every tinkertranny decision has already been made for you, by someone with actual taste and sufficient IQ.
You have no self awareness.

Thanks for being a good representative of the OpenBSD community and for mainsplaining this Linux filth on why OpenBSD is a superior OS. How's the weather in Eden, NC by the way?

>>105839915
Worse, it doesn't even run X, it's pure vga(4). But it is a Thinkpad, the real deal, you got me there.

>>105839924
And you have a stick up your ass combined with a spectrum diagnosis.

>>105839938
it could have been fun if there weren't already a pic on his openbsd machine itt

>>105837751
You can be a cancel tranny for views like the (now two) Ross guys without fear of retaliation from 1337 h4x0rz

>>105836010
They're both good, but I too prefer NetBSD.

>>105830859 (OP)
>Install OpenBSD
no

>>105835026
>"buh but cucked license"

You are literally getting cucked by IBM via Redhat while they violate all of the GPL license. GPL is the ultimate cuck license.

>>105839938
>it is just a browser kiosk
knew it kek

>>105839924
retard

>>105840258
Sneed
>But sitting there, quietly powering masses of the internet, without saying boo to a goose, is FreeBSD. And the companies using it? They’re not talking about it. Why? Because they don’t have to. The simple fact that dawned on me is FreeBSD’s gift to us all, yet Achilles heel to itself, is its license.
>Unlike the GPL, which requires you to share derivative works, the BSD license doesn’t. You can take FreeBSD code, build on it, and never give anything back. This makes it a great foundation for products — but it also means there’s little reason for companies to return their contributions.
https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/the-report-of-my-death-was-an-exaggeration/

>>105840601
>"GPL, which requires you to share derivative works"
>never enforce it
>mega corpo sp500 ignores it and steals your code

Which makes it even more cucked, imagine waiting to receive credit for your code from a text written by a pedo named Stallman, while the corporations can just steal it.

takes your meds seriously

>>105839870
Answer me something: How enraged are you that you've been following my every move on the web for at least the last 3 years and you still haven't been able to dox me? I'm honestly curious.

>>105841451
I’m not internet in doxxing. I’m here to pop your bubbles of delusions and inform others to not believe your misinfo and lies.

>>105841479
you sound autistic

>>105841489
so is the other guy and that guy

>>105841479
Nah you seem pretty dedicated and angry. Why I figured I'd ask. I guess you aren't interested in explaining why you feel the need to be so obsessed over someone that did nothing to you personally.

Tell your friends in Langley to come knock on the door again. I bought some new toys. Make sure you get the correct address this time instead of knocking on three of the neighbor's houses.

>>105841374
>never enforce it
Braindead retard
https://wiki.fsfe.org/Migrated/GPL%20Enforcement%20Cases

>>105841500
Because your posting style and contents are so obnoxious that I can’t stop noticing. I’m not actively chasing you but every time you post it’s too plainly obvious for me to ignore. Your political ramblings never improve the posting environment in a positive way.

The fact that you’re still posting here despite being controlled by your enemy and multiple bans is because you crave for attention and has to find a fast place for that.

> Tell your friends in Langley to come knock on the door again.
Who and where? Literally only exists in your head. Peak victim complex.

>>105841543
No you have an obsession anon and it isn't healthy. I think you should seek help I really do. Well adjusted people don't act this way. But if you want to keep following breadcrumbs I've left around in an attempt to dox me that's fine. It's why I do it in the first place.

It's pretty amusing watching someone that does nothing but attempting to gaslight people by calling them schizo spend their valuable time searching through the web like an obsessive ex-girlfriend. I'm sorry anon but I'm just not that into you.

>>105841676
> But if you want to keep following breadcrumbs I've left around in an attempt to dox me that's fine. It's why I do it in the first place.
Sure, it’s all you playing 5D chess! So big brain and smart!
You are the kind of person who can’t resists rambling about yourself and leaving “trails” as a result is natural.

> spend their valuable time searching through the web like an obsessive ex-girlfriend
So much delusion of grandeur. You being obnoxious in the places I post doesn’t mean that I care about you. I don’t know anything about you other than your image board spots.
But I do care about the places I post not having toxic posts like yours.
You brought it yourself.

Also I am a faggot and so do you. Demeaning me as a person does you nothing good. You should stop using internet for a while so that imagebaords have less of your posts.

>>105840342
what part of doesn't have X11 don't you understand you goat fucker, do you think i'm using lynx on it all day?

>>105841747
Anon I'm sorry but I'm just not into you. We can be friends but I'm not interested in anything serious and if you continue acting this way I'm going to have to call the cops.
>You are the kind of person who can’t resists rambling about yourself
See this is why you've been unable to dox me even though you've been at this for years now. Your first mistake was assuming I'm not full of shit 50% of the time. I always tell the truth even when I lie. So I don't have to worry about creepy people like you murdering my family as they sleep. Well that and also because it's fun.

You've been at this today for over 12 hours now. I think it's time to take a break. All because I've somehow offended you by answering a few questions in a thread for a topic you claim you don't like in the first place.

Don't worry I believe you're a regular "in the places" you post. That's why you're doing such a bad job of fitting in and being a massive faggot.

I'm just not into you anon. I'm sorry. But I do encourage you to travel to wherever it is you think I currently reside. I hope the home owner is armed and dangerous.

install schizophrenic babbling

>>105841816
> if you continue acting this way I'm going to have to call the cops.
Irony. You are the obnoxious rambling hobo who gets on my lawn and takes a shit there.
Fuck off.

>>105841851
How does someone end up like this? The hilarious part is these are the people spamming stuff like
>schizo
>meds
in each and every thread. Imagine getting this offended over posts on a basket weaving forum. This guy has 10 tabs over right now furiously posting on multiple boards because he's so angry about a post I made 16 hours ago.

You should consider getting a life. Life has more to offer you than this. I'm only here today because I broke my foot last week. What's your excuse?

>>105841812
Xenocara is an X11 implementation, retard. What it doesn't have is Xorg.

>>105841911
You seriously need help. You can’t resist belittling others to make you feel better than who you really are. Every single post of you is like this.

>>105841925
https://man.openbsd.org/vga.4

>>105835209
>I broke my foot last week
How

>>105841676
>>105841933
>seek help
what help helps? how would the help help? is there any help that really helps? i feel more and more lonely.

>>105841933
Oh so I'm the crazy one now? The guy that answered some anon's questions about the BSDs in the BSD thread. He's the crazy one. You are the sane person. The man that came into a thread about something he claimed he hated and contributed nothing but personal attacks for no reason than he thinks I'm someone that called him a faggot years ago or something. I'm still not sure why you're even angry. I'm just going to assume you were being an annoying faggot the last time we crossed paths somewhere and you've laid awake for many nights thinking about me.

I believe this is what the kids call "rent free" isn't it?

>>105841948
I don't know why it matters but I was working in my yard and something heavy landed on my foot just above the steel toe. So I get to play NEET for the next week or so.

>>105841951
Anon should help society by buying some rope.

>>105841970
>I don't know why it matters
You literally mentioned it without any details.

>>105841946
Oh, you meant you don't have X installed because you don't do anything with it. I thought you were implying that X wasn't available for OpenBSD.

>>105842033
I do plenty with it, I disabled X to make the terminal more responsive because the GPU is a shitwaffle and I have no use case for X with just a touchpad.

>>105841970
Stop it, your narcissism is leaking.
> Oh so I'm the crazy one now?
Yes, the topic was about whether you were really good enough at programming to understand the audio APIs, and you were the one who brought brigading to this thread in the first place: >>105841451

>>105842114
>narcissism
when did this board get populated by 40 year old HR roasties? or did you just learn a new word from the skg cancel fest? enjoy your new vocabulary anon, you will get a lot of mileage out of it given your hopeless mediocrity

>>105842182
They also learned;
>>105842114
>brigading
So it's obvious where they're coming from. Never forget they always accuse you of doing what they're doing. You really hate to see it.

They're so desperate for anon to share something that'll give them a hint of his real ID. They want nothing more than to get him fired or otherwise ruin his life. I wonder what anon did to make someone this angry.

>pumping up himself as a third person
Peak narcissism behavior. Proves my point.

>>105842235
You're wrong. But feel free to continue providing me with free entertainment. It'll be about 5 more hours until I sleep.

Would you care to discuss OpenBSD? You've been in the OpenBSD thread all day yet you've not mentioned anything about it. Any other BSD would also be acceptable. I'll even take the bog standard cuck license spam at this point. It would be an improvement.

>>105842257
Replying to my post shows your urge to protect your ego. Keep going.

>>105842269
>Keep going.
I mean I can but I've pretty much proven my point multiple times by now and you're getting kind of boring. If your goal was to totally derail this thread and make yourself look an idiot you've done a great job of it.

Answer my question: What did I do years ago to make you so angry that you've obsessively followed me around the web since at least 2020? I'm honestly curious. Please tell me so I can post about it again. It has been a long time since I've gotten this kind of response out of an outsider without even trying.

You must be very angry about something I've either released already or am working on. Which tells me it's probably in everyone's best interest to dedicate more of my limited time to such things. I always know what I'm doing is important work when I get this type of reaction out of your kind.

>>105842316
No one cares about how entertained or bored you are. Keep going.
>2020
Show me the post. Literally not true.

>>105842235
I'm the thinkpad guy and I think you belong in the fucking nut house. I don't even believe in psychiatry as a science, I just think you should be locked up there to suffer because you're a giant nigger. Go back to begging your ganoo+linux to configure itself properly and kys.

dunning kruger: the thread

>>105842329
Okay I see the fun is over. Until the next time I see you Mr. Anonymous stalker. Try to get some sleep. These 16+ hour rage sessions and frantically searching archives can't be very healthy. I really do hope you'll soon see the error of your ways and find something more productive to do with your time. It seems like you have a lot of it to fill.

I've got a pretty good idea of what it was that set you off anyway. If it's what I think it is then this is even more funny than I originally thought. It isn't healthy holding a grudge like this anon. But I suppose we can't expect too much from someone that got tricked into cutting off his penis.

For what it's worth I pity the mentally ill and I'm sorry you got tricked. But taking your rage out for the loss of your cock and balls on me through the internet isn't going to ever bring them back. I suggest you stop taking the medication my tax dollars is likely paying for and taking out your rage on the so-called doctor that tricked you into mutilating yourself. You shouldn't be ashamed of who you are and what you are. You need to accept reality and do the best with what you have left. No one will ever respect you until you're comfortable in your own skin. It isn't my fault you were a dumb faggot that bought into the propaganda hook, line and sinker. See you space cowboy.

>>105836010
>>105840030
What do you prefer about NetBSD?

I like the opinionated leadership of OBSD, but sometimes the mentality of "what we got is enough" and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and the focus on security (even if good) deprives us from improvements, like a better file system, and great system performance.

From what I saw, NetBSD seems more open for changes and improvements, even by trading security, which isn't needed all the time.

>>105842435
> I really do hope you'll soon see the error of your ways and find something more productive to do with your time.
So much productive way to spend your time responding to every single one of my post. All while typing far more characters than I did.
Look into a mirror, you’d be shocked what you’re seeing.

>>105839144
>>105839222
>>105839620
Thank you anon, you're kind are the reason why I come back to this shithole.

>FreeBSD
The only reason you'd use it is ZFS, otherwise it's just a worse linux.

>>105839144
>>105839222
>>105839620
Thank you anon, this kind of posts are the reason why I come back to this shithole.

>FreeBSD
The only reason you'd use it is ZFS, otherwise it's just a worse linux.

>>105842598
You can use ZFS on Linux, Windows, and MacOS

DE
PRE
CATED

>>105842476
i tried OpenBSD but what turned me off before i even began was the unconventional file system, i couldnt access files or transfer files without workarounds because none of the filesystems were compatible in either direction. sucks too because my workflow is 90% compatible with OpenBSD i just don't have the time for headaches right now

>>105842637
Yes, but FreeBSD has the greatest support and it comes bundled with it, and it's the expected file system.

>>105842813
>i couldnt access files or transfer files without workarounds because none of the filesystems were compatible in either direction.
Yeah, that what differentiates OBSD, if none of the devs have enough drive to make something, it isn't made, but if they have, you are expecting the best support. And honestly, it's easier to use those "workarounds" rather than support every monstrosity of a file system other OSs use.

>>105830859 (OP)
https://openbased.org/

>>105830859 (OP)
But anon, I have work to do on my machine

>>105842598
There are several other good reasons to prefer FreeBSD over modern Linux. Yes the file system is a huge one but also jails and access to several other tools that have poor linux ports like pf and doas. doas under linux can't even properly do persist.

>>105842637
It isn't the same as running it on root and not having to resort to out-of-tree kernel module.

>>105842813
The file system is not as bad as people say and you should have proper backups anyway. But I'm not sure why you're having issues transferring files to and from or accessing disks using other FS. I regularly move things around from ext2 and exfat stuff with no issues. Everything you need is in ports.

>>105842966
I'm not sure what this "real work" you people keep referring to is. I'm doing a lot of "real work" including production of multimedia and living in emacs on the daily and I've had no problems doing anything I want to do.

Plus people around here act like they don't/can't own more than one system. You should have your "real work" on your home server anyway. You do have a home server, right anon?

>>105842515
You're really attempting to shame me for your wasted day while I shit out posts at over 150wpm without having to look at the screen? lol

>>105841510
>no sign they continued to enforce it
>no new cases since 2013
>Redhat continues to violate GPL

Ok retard

>>105843740
>isn't the same as running it on root
DAMN nigga I think Yours retarded too

> bragging about typing speed when no one asked for it
Pottery.
> production of multimedia and living in emacs
> anime encoding and elisp autism
> real work
lol

>>105842598
>>FreeBSD
>The only reason you'd use it is ZFS, otherwise it's just a worse linux.
Classic example of this is TrueNAS, started on FreeBSD and now runs on Linux.

>>105839443
>The BSD's utilities tend to be more 'correct' and follow POSIX standards more closely.
I explicitly use BSD netcat on my linux box because the GNU version had some fairly obvious bug that was a show stopper for me.

>>105842435
why are you even engaging bro? it's obviously a mentally unwell troll

>>105842476
I first used it because I need an OS that supported macppc and NetBSD has the meme about it running on a toaster and this is going to sound silly but it feels the way a Unix should. Audio also works out of the box without issue for the most part.
Don't get me wrong I still use Linux when needed of even FreeBSD for my NAS for obvious reasons but NetBSD just feels right.

>>105844414
this